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In this solo episode, I break down the recent controversy surrounding a career guide published by Indeed, the world’s largest job site, with 365 million daily users and over 3.5 million employers. Here’s a teaser: The guide labeled ages 45-55 as “late career” and 55-65 as “decline,” sparking an outcry over its ageist language.
I stumbled across the uproar late one night on LinkedIn and decided to post my thoughts, which quickly went viral. Indeed responded within hours, issuing an apology and removing the offensive content, but the damage was already done!
The guide perpetuated harmful stereotypes, like the idea that workers in their 40s and 50s should aim for less demanding roles and stop learning new skills. This couldn’t be further from the truth—many of us are thriving in our careers at this stage, with plenty of energy and ambition.
While I appreciate how quickly Indeed responded, I still question how the management allowed the guide to be published in the first place. It raises concerns about whether they truly support an age-inclusive work environment. But this situation has opened up an important conversation about ageism, and I’m hopeful it will lead to lasting change.
Can several viral posts on LinkedIn really change how a major corporation thinks about age? Join me as we explore how this Indeed debacle can serve as a catalyst for real change in tackling ageism in the workplace. Don't worry—we'll get some solid career advice and probably a few laughs too.
In This Episode:
-Introduction and overview of Indeed’s corporate values
-Personal experience with the career guide controversy
-Career stages in Indeed’s career guide
-Critique of the career guide's advice
-Raising a successor for your position
-Retirement in your forties: myth or reality?
-The "decline" era: what to expect
-The reality of ageism in the workplace
-Indeed's apology and future steps
Resources Mentioned in the Episode:
-Indeed’s live webinar on November 7, 2024, titled “Success and Satisfaction in the Later Stages of Your Career”: https://www.linkedin.com/events/7237487552620843009/
-Indeed’s article, “Ageism in the Workplace: Its Impact and How to Prevent It”: https://www.indeed.com/hire/c/info/ageism-in-the-workplace
-Indeed’s article, “ADEA: An Employer's Guide to the Age Discrimination in Employment Act”: https://www.indeed.com/hire/c/info/adea#:~:text=The%20purpose%20of%20the%20ADEA,ability%20when%20making%20those%20decisions.
-Maureen’s LinkedIn post: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/maureenwclough_are-you-over-55-indeed-as-in-the-one-that-activity-7235228512918388738-wIYC?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_ios
Connect with Maureen Clough:
-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/
-YouTube: @itgetslateearly...
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Today I've got Jamie Jackson, the brilliant mind behind 'Humorous Resources', 'Millennial Misery,' and 'Horrendous HR,' and the co-host of the HR Besties podcast. She's not just your average HR pro - she's like the standup comedian of the corporate world, using humor to keep us all from losing our minds in the 9-to-5 grind.
Jamie's hilarious social media accounts were born out of the pandemic chaos while working at a healthcare clinic. Talk about a pressure cooker situation! But instead of cracking, she turned to humor. It's like she found the secret sauce to surviving corporate America, and now she's sharing it with all of us poor souls who've felt the sting of a pink slip delivered with all the warmth of a robocall.
So, let’s talk about it! You know that feeling when you're called into a surprise meeting, and your stomach drops to your shoes? Well, Jamie has been on both sides of the table, even standing up to a company owner over a harassment claim. Spoiler alert: it cost her the job. But hey, who needs job security when you've got integrity, right?
Additionally, Jamie's got some juicy stories about being an "elder millennial" (is that even a thing?) and the double standards between older men and women. We also get into the wild world of content creation and how it's not all sunshine and rainbows for the ladies out there. Turns out, the glass ceiling isn't just in the office - it's all over social media too!
Join us for some solid anecdotes about aging, advocating for what's right, and staying true to yourself in a corporate world that sometimes feels like it's gone mad.
"Layoffs, a lot of times, it’s really just a giant math equation. They may not even be looking at names; they’re looking at salaries. It’s not personal. You were just a part of the equation.”
- Jamie Jackson
In This Episode:
-The inspiration behind Jamie’s humorous HR accounts
-Misconceptions about the HR role
-Why humanity and empathy are critical in corporate leadership
-The challenges HR faces when handling layoffs,
-The cost of standing up for employee’s rights in HR
-How organizations can navigate layoffs with empathy
-The rise of layoffs in tech and the loss of humanity
-Ageism in the workplace and its impact on career advancement
-Gender disparities in corporate settings
-Age perceptions and prejudices on social media
And much more!
Connect with Jamie Jackson:
-Humorous Resources: https://www.instagram.com/humorous_resources/?hl=en
-Millennial Misery: https://www.instagram.com/millennial_misery/
-HR Besties Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hr-besties/id1712137225
Connect with Maureen Clough:
-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/
-YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1
-Website:
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In the last year alone, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) received nearly 81,000 charges of workplace discrimination. And here's a kicker – age discrimination made up a whopping 17.5% of those cases! This is not merely a fringe issue in our society.
In today’s episode, I sit down with Keith Sonderling, the EEOC commissioner, to explore the realities of workplace discrimination and the EEOC's role in safeguarding civil rights across the United States. Keith shares the EEOC's mission, which goes beyond enforcing anti-discrimination laws to educational initiatives that prevent discrimination and help employers and employees understand their rights and obligations.
We're covering everything from the EEOC's birth during the Civil Rights Movement (talk about a dramatic origin story!) to the modern-day villains of age discrimination and AI bias in hiring. And trust me, some of these true stories from the workplace are pretty wild - and have resulted in some stiff penalties for the companies who got caught.
So whether you're the one signing the paychecks, the HR guru trying to keep everyone in line, or just someone who wants to know their rights, this episode is for you. Join us for a conversation that's equal parts enlightening and entertaining – because who said learning about our civil rights in the workplace can't be fun?
"If AI discriminates versus a human, the scale-ability of the discrimination is far greater than any one individual human can do. With just a few clicks, AI can eliminate millions of applications that the algorithm might identify as belonging to a protected class, amplifying bias on an unprecedented scale.”
- Keith Sonderling
In This Episode:
-The EEOC's role in preventing and remedying workplace discrimination
-Common misconceptions about the EEOC’s mission and operations
-Scope and statistics of legal cases on discrimination
-The rise of age discrimination cases: what qualifies as ageism
-The impact of AI on hiring practices and potential risks for discrimination
-Best practices for preventing age discrimination
-Practical advice for employees facing discrimination and the steps they can take
And much more!
Connect with Keith Sonderling:
-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/keith-sonderling
-Twitter (X): https://twitter.com/ksonderlingeeoc
-Website: https://www.eeoc.gov/keith-e-sonderling-commissioner
Connect with Maureen Clough:
-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/
-YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1
-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/
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My guests today are Elizabeth Aniskevich from the AARP Foundation and lawyer Peter Romer-Friedman, two powerhouses in the fight against age discrimination. They're here to shed light on this pervasive issue that's been hiding in plain sight (or, should we say, in plain algorithms?).
Remember when job listings could brazenly ask for "recent college grads" or specify a maximum age? Well, those days might be gone, but the discrimination just got sneakier! Elizabeth shares some stats from AARP's research: a whopping 64% of older adults have seen or felt the sting of age bias, with 40% experiencing it after hitting the big 4-0.
Additionally, Peter shares his experiences battling Silicon Valley giants and their questionable hiring practices. We dive into the world of AI and algorithms, exploring how these supposedly neutral tools might be perpetuating age bias without anyone even realizing it.
We're covering everything from sneaky job ad targeting on platforms like Meta to the subtle ways ageism creeps into workplace culture. And the best part? We're not just complaining – we're talking solutions.
So, whether you're a seasoned tech pro, a coding newbie, or just someone who believes in workplace fairness, this episode is for you. Join us for an eye-opening conversation about age, tech, and justice.
"When you're talking about recruiting people, it's very different than recruiting customers for soap or paper towels or a car. When you're recruiting for a job or a mortgage or insurance, there are laws that say you can't exclude people based on who they are, including their age.”
- Peter Romer-Friedman
In This Episode:
-AARP research findings on the prevalence of ageism and its impact
-Elizabeth's journey into civil rights litigation
-Peter’s public interest litigation work and experience
-Age discrimination in Silicon Valley
-Intersectionality and cultural factors that compound ageism
-How AI and algorithms perpetuate discriminatory job postings
-The burden of proof in age discrimination cases
-Workplace diversity and the value of older workers
-Positive signs and cultural shifts in ageism
And much more!
Connect with Peter Romer-Friedman:
-Website: https://prf-law.com/
-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/peter-romer-friedman-7031576/
Connect with Elizabeth Aniskevich:
-Website: https://www.aarp.org/aarp-foundation/
-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elizabeth-aniskevich-b3690617
Connect with Maureen Clough:
-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/
-YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1
-Website:
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Are you feeling stuck in your career and afraid to make a bold move? John Tarnoff, the career reinvention coach and founder of the Mid-Career Lab, will shake up everything you believe about mid-career shifts, especially if you're rocking that over-40 life!
Get ready to flip the script on job loss and retirement. John shows us that getting fired is not shameful or fatal, as we’ve been made to believe.
John's not just talking the talk – he's walked the walk! He's gone from getting the boot 39% of the time in the rollercoaster world of entertainment to becoming the go-to guru for career reinvention. Talk about a plot twist, right?
And if you think the 60-year career sounds like a snooze fest, you are right! John's challenging that notion. You’ll learn to differentiate yourself in a crowded job market at any age. Spoiler alert: It's all about unleashing your inner superhero (aka your 'superpower'), leveraging relationships, and becoming a thought leader in your zone of genius!
Oh, and did I mention you might want to have your LinkedIn profile open while listening? Trust me, after hearing John's take, that green "Open-To-Work" circle might be the next thing to go!
So, if you are itching for a career change in the ageist tech world or elsewhere, you’ll love this one! We’ve got you covered with all the actionable insights to sustain career growth in a competitive job market, so tune in!
"Find your superpower... That combination of results that you deliver, philosophies of life that you bring to the table, your personality, all of those unique factors. Define that value."
- John Tarnoff
In This Episode:
-Reframing job loss as an opportunity for growth
-How to identify and leverage your superpower
-Applying the 80/20 rule in building your community
-Utilizing platforms like LinkedIn to showcase your value
-The value of a multigenerational workforce
-Combating ageism in the tech industry
-How to position yourself as a consultant instead of unemployed
-Approaching job interviews as networking opportunities and consultative engagements
-Cultivating a mindset of continuous value delivery and consultation
-How introverts can overcome networking challenges
-Adopting a design-thinking approach to career development
And much more!
Resources Mentioned in this Episode:
-Answer John’s four ‘Ikigai’ questions: https://johntarnoff.com/
-Bill Burnett and Dave Evans’ book, “Designing Your Life: How to Build a Well-Lived, Joyful Life:” https://a.co/d/95mGWsm
Connect with John Tarnoff:
-Website: https://midcareerlab.com/
-LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/johntarnoff
Connect with Maureen Clough:
-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/
-YouTube: @itgetslateearly -
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We're bringing back some comic relief of the highest order by republishing one of the all-time most downloaded episodes of It Gets Late Early, featuring genius comedian Ross Pomerantz, aka Corporate Bro (or just Corp).
If you’re newer here, you probably haven’t heard Ross’s take on getting older in general or in the ageist tech industry…and trust me, you’re gonna wanna fix that. Like, now.
If you don’t know Ross, his persona of Corporate Bro is pretty much legendary in the tech world. After spending a few years in the tech sales trenches, he has been putting out comedic videos satirizing the world of sales and tech and has amassed a massive social media following. He currently partners with brands as huge as Salesforce and DocuSign, delivers keynotes, and advises tech companies.
Since we recorded this episode, Ross has also become a podcaster. He puts out the absolutely hilarious show “Demoted” alongside co-host comedian Corporate Natalie. Definitely check it out - it’s one of my favorites.
If you aren’t into profanity (or are listening around kids), don’t enjoy sarcasm or dark humor, or are easily offended, fair warning: this episode is NOT for you, and we’ll catch you next time.
So, thanks for letting me hit the easy button for a little summer break while also delivering to you an absolute gem of an episode - either for the first time or for another round.
"I do think leadership and experience are often underappreciated. It can be a huge difference-maker in tech in motivating people and giving them perspective and wise words, whatever it may be, but also even catharsis and therapy to the younger folks."
- Ross Pomerantz
In This Episode:
-Why Ross thinks tech companies are youth-dominated
-Where will Corporate Bro be in ten years? Hint: maybe drop the “Bro”
-How Ross’s humor plays differently with Gen Z vs. older people
-Ross’s feelings about facing ageism - and his first “ism”
-How Ross works well with both younger and older people alike
-Ross’s experience in producing "Sales are Dope" (S.A.D.)
-Ross’s true feelings on influencers and TikTok
-What Taylor Swift and Ross have in common
-How Ross feels about getting older
-Where Ross thinks older employees bring value
-The grind of content creation
And much more!
Resources:
-Sales are Dope (S.A.D.) Series: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3NoHBNSs00Y7I82f6h_6KyWM3b9pjmmQ
-Gavin DeGraw clip mentioned: https://www.tiktok.com/@corporate.bro/video/7196785042696457518
Connect with Ross Pomerantz:
-Website: https://corporatebro.com/
-Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/demoted/id1725899994
-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/corporatebro/
-Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/corporate.bro/
-TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@corporate.bro
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The fantastic Jen Saarbach and Kristen Kelly from “The Wall Street Skinny” podcast join me today for a candid and super fun crossover episode on the challenges women face breaking into and growing their careers in the male-dominated industries of Tech and Finance.
Jen and Kristen tell us how they started “The Wall Street Skinny” to democratize access to the world of high finance via their incredible podcast and lighthearted but value-packed social media posts. Turns out there’s more to the industry than we see in the movie The Wolf of Wall Street with Leo DiCaprio and Margot Robbie! Who knew?!
We all shared some of our career horror stories, including Jen’s (which she turned into a hilarious viral video) about how being a few minutes late to an interview can completely derail your shot at a big job. They also share that Wall Street is actually accessible to…English majors?!
But it's not just the hurdles of getting your foot in the door. Once you're in, we all face ageism (either levied against the young or the old, depending on the industry - we’ll reveal what we mean here!) and sexism through microaggressions, lack of mentorship opportunities, and assumptions. We dive into these realities and highlight the importance of age diversity in both industries.
We also discuss AI’s double-edged sword—its potential to both automate away jobs and also revolutionize fields like gene editing.
So whether you're well-established in your career or just getting started, our chat has you covered. Did I mention we had a lot of fun? Join us for our wide-ranging but impactful conversation.
"We have structured society so differently than it was historically so that you aren't hitting the same milestones. You aren't necessarily graduating from college at 22, going to business school at 25, getting married at 30, having kids by 35, retiring at 65. Those milestones have all shifted and are no longer fixed points."
- Jen Saarbach
In This Episode:
-Challenges and opportunities for women in finance
-Ageism in the tech industry
-Women representation and role models in finance and tech
-The challenges of starting a career in the finance industry
-The apprenticeship model in finance and its impact on career paths
-Challenges of entering finance later in life
-The importance of age diversity in finance and tech
-The role of venture capitalists in guiding founders
-The impact of AI on career paths
And much more!
Learn Finance From The Wall Street Skinny:
-Website: https://www.thewallstreetskinny.com/
-Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-wall-street-skinny/id1680425507
-Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thewallstreetskinny/
-TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thewallstreetskinny
Connect with Jen Saarbach:
-Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jennifersaarbach/
-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jennifer-saarbach-realtor
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Ever wonder what it takes to build and sell a tech company for millions without venture capital? Well, we've got the inside story straight from the source!
Today I'm chatting with Sharon Gillenwater, a trailblazing entrepreneur who did just that - she built and sold her tech company (Boardroom Insiders) for a cool $25 million, all without relying on VC funding! She is the author of Scaling with Soul, which chronicles how she built, scaled, and sold her company.
Sharon's not your typical tech founder - in fact, she didn't even have a technical background when she started her company. But she proved that you don't need to be a coder to succeed in the startup world.
Sharon shares her unconventional entrepreneurial journey, the challenges she faced as a woman in tech, and the surprising advantage of being an "older" entrepreneur.
We'll also get the scoop on Sharon's viral TikTok fame, the truth about VC funding (hint: you don't always need it!), and her mission to democratize entrepreneurship and create more respectful workplaces.
Whether you're an aspiring entrepreneur or just curious about the wild world of tech startups, you don't want to miss this episode. Sharon's story is proof that you can absolutely make it big in this industry, even if you don't fit the mold, so tune in!
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"You don't have to be a Mark Zuckerberg to be an entrepreneur. Or a Sarah Blakely. You can be a Sharon Gillenwater and make all your retirement money and have a great retirement. And you don't have to take venture capital."
- Sharon Gillenwater
In This Episode:
-How Sharon built and sold a $25m tech company without venture capital
-How to overcome self-doubt and insecurity as an entrepreneur
-Women’s experience in entrepreneurship in the 80s
-The downside of venture capital funding for founders
-How to identify business opportunities
-Employee care strategies and the importance of a positive work culture
-Employment challenges in the tech industry
-Sharon's TikTok fame and content creation journey
-Navigating business exits after venture capital funding
And much more!
Resources:
-Scaling With Soul: How I Built & Sold a $25 Million Tech Company Without Being an A**hole - https://www.amazon.com/Scaling-Soul-Million-Company-Without/dp/1964377013
Connect with Sharon Gillenwater:
-Website: https://www.sharonkgillenwater.com/
-Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sharonkgillenwater/
-TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@sharonkgillenwater
-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sharonkgillenwater/
Connect with Maureen Clough:
-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/
-YouTube: @itgetslateearly -
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In a recent study by Fortune, one in five Gen Z’s reported not having spoken to anyone over 50 in the workplace in the last year, while 40% of people over 55 said they hadn't talked to a Gen Z. How did we get here?
How do we bridge this generational divide? Are the five generations at work a challenge to overcome, or are they an overlooked source of strength?
Today I host the brilliant Professor Megan Gerhardt, founder and author of Gentelligence. Megan challenges the lazy stereotypes that pit generations against each other. She advocates for understanding our differences as an opportunity for mutual growth and innovation.
One concept that really resonated was Megan's vision for "mutual mentoring" – an approach that replaces traditional top-down mentorship with a reciprocal exchange of knowledge and perspectives.
So, whether you're a tech titan grappling with a multi-generational workforce or simply seeking to bridge the gap with colleagues from different age groups, this conversation is for you.
Tune in to learn how you can foster smarter intergenerational conversations to transform your workplace into an environment where every generation feels valued and empowered.
“I believe generations matter, but they certainly are not everything. They are the beginning of the conversation to me, not the end of the conversation.”
- Megan Gerhardt
In This Episode:
-An introduction to the Gentelligence concept
-The importance of age in the DE&I conversations
-Intergenerational warfare and generational labels
-Practical tools for smarter intergenerational conversations
-How to leverage generational norms
-The impact of remote work on workplace engagement and identity
-How to build intergenerational friendships
-Why mutual mentorship is beneficial
And much more.
Resources:
-Purchase Professor Megan's book “Gentelligence”: https://a.co/d/ckOhax9
-Join Gentelligence Academy: https://gentelligenceacademy.com/
Connect with Professor Megan Gerhardt:
-Website: https://profgerhardt.com/
-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/megangerhardt
Connect with Maureen Clough:
-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/
-YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1
-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/
-LinkedIn: @maureenwclough -
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In our hustle-obsessed society, the concept of "work-life balance" has become a twisted, unattainable ideal. From the dawn of our careers, we're fed narratives that glorify overachievement and self-sacrifice for the corporate grind.
But what if we've been sold a lie? What if the real keys to fulfillment lie in dismantling those deeply ingrained notions?
My guest today is Danielle Roberts, the bold anti-career coach. Danielle was well on her way to "having it all" - the prestigious job, the six-figure salary, the big promotion. But at what cost? She found herself drained, unfulfilled, and questioning the very purpose of her relentless grind.
From debunking the "lazy millennial" myths to questioning if a four-day workweek goes far enough, we explore the systemic issues warping our relationship to work. Danielle shares candid insights on why the perpetual grind robs us of joy and how to start uncoupling your identity from your job title.
Whether you're questioning your own work-life balance, feeling the creep of burnout, or simply craving more purpose beyond the 9-to-5 grind, this conversation is a must-listen. Tune in as we dive into practical strategies for finding joy and fulfillment outside of your career.
“We talk about work-life balance as if work is something to be balanced against life, but we need it (work) to be coherent with life.”
- Danielle Roberts
In This Episode:
-Danielle’s journey from corporate to anti-career coaching
-Why people are disenchanted with corporate employment
-The tech industry's broken promises, layoffs, and lies
-Navigating career uncertainty and embracing self-worth
-Redefining success and getting comfortable with "failure"
-A holistic approach to career coaching
-Generational differences in the workplace
-Quiet quitting, lazy girl jobs, and a four-day workweek
And much more.
Resources:
-Buy “Already Enough: A Path to Self-Acceptance” by Lisa Olivera: https://amzn.eu/d/bJIt4PG
Connect with Danielle Roberts:
-Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/imdanielleroberts/
-Website: https://danielleroberts.co/
Connect with Maureen Clough:
-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/
-YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1
-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/
-LinkedIn: @maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/
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In our fast-paced, career-driven world, it's all too easy for friendships to take a backseat. But for many men, that dwindling social circle isn't just an occasional inconvenience - it's a harsh reality made worse by societal pressures and masculine stereotypes.
My guest today is Max Dickins, speaker, comedian, and author of Billy No-Mates: How I Realised Men Have a Friendship Problem.
What’s his story? As Max was preparing to propose to his girlfriend, he had a startling realization - his circle of close male friends had dwindled to nearly nothing. He had no best man! Basically it was the real life version of the Paul Rudd and Jason Segal movie “I Love You, Man!” This experience sparked an exploration into the challenges men face in maintaining platonic bonds, especially as they get older.
From the isolating impacts of demanding work lives to the discomfort many men feel around vulnerability and emotional intimacy, we dive deep into the root causes of male loneliness and its impact on men’s health.
But it's not all doom and gloom! Max offers practical strategies for breaking the cycle, such as being proactive in your social life, understanding your career's impact on relationships, and the concept of "repotting" friendships to build deeper connections.
Whether you're a guy struggling to keep your mates close or a partner wondering how to support the male relationships in your life, this episode is a must-listen, so tune in now!
"If we ran our social life with the same diligence, creativity, and structure that we ran our business life, everyone would have amazing social lives."
- Max Dickins
In This Episode:
-The story behind Max’s book “Billy No-Mates.”
-Why do men struggle to make and maintain friendships as they age?
-The impact of work on male friendships
-Why do men have more female friends than male friends?
-Tips on how to make new friends easily as a man
-How to build strong male friendships at work
-How women can support their partners in building their social circles
And much more.
Purchase Max Dickins’ Book:
-Waterstones: https://www.waterstones.com/book/we-need-to-talk-to-kevin/max-dickins/9781838853518
-Amazon: https://a.co/d/01zG7Dr
Connect with Max Dickins:
-LinkedIn: https://uk.linkedin.com/in/max-dickins-improv
-Website: https://www.maxdickins.com/
-Instagram: http://instagram.com/maxdickinswrites
Connect with Maureen Clough:
-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/
-YouTube: @itgetslateearly -
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Ever wondered what it's like to work at Amazon? I mean, if you can make it there, you can make it anywhere, just like New York, right? It feels like after you’ve done time at Amazon, your meal ticket is punched, and you’ll have a cascade of job offers and great opportunities thereafter. But would you give your soul in exchange for a career at Amazon?
In this episode, I have Kristi Coulter, a brilliant author who wrote the book Exit Interview. She's also a writing professor and an editorial coach, so she helps people get their books into the world.
Exit Interview is about Kristi's experience of 12 years at Amazon corporate. It is an incisive, hilarious book, and as a woman reading it, I felt it was so needed in the literary world. We needed someone to voice what was happening on the inside in corporate employment.
We get into the sexism and double standards she faced, her tumultuous attempts to advance up the Amazon career ladder, her relationship with ambition, her sobriety journey, and how she has both learned - and proven - that it is never too late to change in life. She also recounts how Amazon - and specifically, Jeff Bezos - responded to the famous New York Times expose of Amazon by Jodi Kantor (who also broke the Harvey Weinstein abuse scandal). You definitely don’t want to miss that story.
And by the way, the brutal culture Kristi experienced at work is not unique to Amazon, but is something people from many in tech can relate to, so I found it cathartic to read.
So, if you’re wondering, "Oh, Amazon, what's it like there?" join us as we peel back the mystique and aura of Amazon. Don’t worry, we’ll get some solid and entertaining Jeff Bezos anecdotes up in there.
"I know there's this myth that people who make that kind of money aren't really working. But I could tell you, at Amazon, those people were working insanely hard. Like so hard that I would think, ‘you know, you're worth tens of millions of dollars, why are you answering emails on Sunday night? … Why don't you go on more vacations?’"
- Kristi Coulter
In This Episode:
-Why Kristi wrote her book
-Climbing the corporate ladder at Amazon
-What was it like getting a job at Amazon as a 36-year-old woman?
-How do you react to a weird situation in the workplace?
-Living and working in a place where "drinking" is part of the culture
-Kristi's leadership example at a luxury retreat
-One more humorous interlude
-The New York Times article and the response from Jeff Bezos
-Does Jeff Bezos actually care about diversity and equity?
And much more.
Resources:
-Exit Interview: The Life and Death of My Ambitious Career by Kristi Coulter - https://www.amazon.com/Exit-Interview-Death-Ambitious-Career/dp/0374600902
-Inside Amazon: Wrestling Big Ideas in a Bruising Workplace - https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/technology/inside-amazon-wrestling-big-ideas-in-a-bruising-workplace.html
-Jeff Bezos Responds To 'New York Times' Report On Amazon's Workplace -
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Becoming a manager through a promotion or receiving a job offer is a rewarding accomplishment for an employee. While these opportunities can prove exciting for both first-time and long-time managers, not everyone is innately gifted with the skills it takes to be a good manager. Ask just about anyone, and they’ll tell you about that bad boss (or 7) they’ve had across their corporate careers.
In today's episode, the relatable and sharp Ashley Herd of Manager Method and HR Besties and I explore what it means to be a manager and how new managers can adapt to their leadership positions. We discuss common workplace challenges managers face and tips on navigating those challenges.
We also touch on this interesting concept called ikigai, which is the convergence of four areas of life: what you love, what you're good at, what the world needs, and what you can be paid for.
Ashley worked as a lawyer in BigLaw (Ogletree Deakins) and leading companies (including McKinsey and Yum! Brands). She also served as General Counsel and Head of HR for the nation’s largest luxury media company (Modern Luxury).
Ashley is a LinkedIn Learning instructor on people management and co-hosts the HR Besties podcast (a Top 10 Business Podcast on Apple Podcasts and Spotify - and one of my personal favorites). She has been featured by CNN, Financial Times, HR Brew, and BuzzFeed. Ashley is an expert in providing a crucial skill set that will benefit your organization and redefine people leadership.
"I remember my husband's great-aunt, Norma, saying to me, "It's so good to have friendships of different generations." At that time, I didn't appreciate it. I didn't appreciate it until I was older, and I now have those different ones on different sides."
- Ashley Herd
In This Episode:
-Why Ashley created the Manager Method
-Who is this "Luke" that appears in Ashley's videos?
-How to communicate layoffs with humanity
-The legal consequences of passing on layoff decisions to managers
-Is aiming for promotion the only path to staying employed?
-How to manage intergenerational workforce politics
-Encouraging workplace diversity and mentoring across generations
-How the HR Besties podcast came about
And much more.
Resources:
-Radical Candor by Kim Scott - https://kimmalonescott.com/radical-candor
Connect with Ashley Herd:
-Website: https://www.managermethod.com/
-Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/managermethod/
-HR Besties Podcast: https://www.hrbesties.com/
-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashleyherd/
Connect with Maureen Clough:
-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/
-YouTube: @itgetslateearly -
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When applying for a job, the hiring process can feel like a waiting game. But what's even worse than waiting for who knows how long or being ghosted altogether is blatantly experiencing age bias while in an interview with a recruitment officer. That's what today’s guest, Vern Six, experienced, which he shared in a LinkedIn post that resonated with many people. In fact, the post went beyond viral, getting millions of views and garnering national media attention.
What happened? Vern had a recruiter inform him that he's supposedly too old for a software developer role. He couldn’t believe that "a young whippersnapper" in his twenties had the nerve to condense his 37 years of experience into such a dismissive statement.
Vern is an experienced Full-Stack Software Engineer and Project Manager with a demonstrated track record of leading technology projects to successful completion in diverse sectors. But he's over 50, and it turns out, that's a big issue for many recruiters.
Vern is here today to share the story behind his viral post, and the whirlwind that has happened since then. I'm sure many of you can relate to his encounter with a much younger interviewer and how their conversation ended.
Join us as we discuss the issue of ageism in tech and what we can do to spread awareness about the value that older workers bring to the workplace.
"People just think that once you're kind of pigeonholed in a particular stack, that's the way you are, and you're not going to move away from it. It's just not true."
- Vern Six
In This Episode:
-The background behind the viral post and what's happened since then
-Vern's experience being an "old guy" in tech
-A deluge of love and hate for Vern's post
-Why is ageism prevalent in the tech industry?
-The value of older workers and their vast experience
-A difference in perception of age bias between technical roles and sales roles
-Vern shares his career path and current business venture
-When did Vern start feeling the fear of ageism?
-The extent to which Vern discusses ageism beyond his viral post
And much more.
Resources:
-Vern's Viral Post: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7167946832742928385/
-LinkedIn Group – Inclusive Futures: Combating Ageism & Discrimination https://www.linkedin.com/groups/14418151/
Connect with Vern Six:
-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vernsix/
-Website: https://purposebrewcoffee.com/
Connect with Maureen Clough:
-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/
-YouTube: @itgetslateearly -
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As more people live longer, consumer brands need to consider the needs of the older population. Companies that neglect senior consumers, especially the Baby Boomers, can end up missing a massive opportunity to attract and retain a growing market and make a ton of money along the way.
Older generations, those 50 and older, make up 51% of consumer spending. Despite the prevalence of youth in advertisements, older people spend way, way more money than younger generations (because they have more disposable income). Like young people, older folks also want to learn about brands to stay informed on new and significant trends. So, smart brands will soon wake up to the fact it is time to tap into the growing senior market and leverage the power of older consumers. The longevity economy, the largest and fastest-growing market in the world, is an opportunity marketers can't afford to ignore.
My guest today is Brian Clark, a digital marketing and tech entrepreneur, proud Gen X’er, and author of Longevity Gains, a Substack newsletter about the longevity economy. Join us as we discuss the massive demographic shift that's about to happen, why people should actually be excited about getting older, and the need for intergenerational harmony. We have a lot of fun along the way, too.
"You hit 50, and I'm telling you, I'm living proof you get happier. And the happiest decade of life is your 70s."
- Brian Clark
In This Episode:
-What is the longevity economy?
-Why are we now becoming more aware of ageism?
-Are marketers deliberately ignoring older consumers? Why or why not?
-Which companies are attracting and retaining older consumers?
-The need for intergenerational harmony
-Why many people are not excited about growing older
-Where can companies get insights on marketing to older consumers?
-Hope for the older generation and those who are getting there
And much more.
Resources:
-Further: Midlife Health, Wealth, and Personal Growth Newsletter: https://further.net/
-The Longevity Economy by Dr. Joseph Coughlin: https://longevityeconomy.com/
Connect with Brian Clark:
-Website: https://www.longevitygains.com/
-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thatbrianclark/
Connect with Maureen Clough:
-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/
-YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1
-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/
-LinkedIn: @maureenwclough -
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Are you yearning for a more fulfilling midlife? Turning 40, 50, or 60 is a big deal, and a bit scary for many people. However, we can shift our mindset to view it as something hopeful: the beginning of our second adulthood.
Instead of thinking of it as a period of decline, we can embrace this period and even begin to feel happier with each passing year. We can start redefining who we are beyond our bodies or personalities. Think of it as a transition period and a space for new beginnings.
Easier said than done? Well, I have someone with me today to show us what’s in store for people crossing the midlife mark. After listening to this episode, I'm certain that you will be more excited about what’s next in life.
Join me in this meaningful conversation with MEA co-founder and poetic Chief Education Officer Jeff Hamaoui. He is a gentle and empathic facilitator, a business innovation veteran, and a community builder who has taught sustainability courses at Wharton, Berkeley, and Stanford.
MEA Wisdom (formerly known as Modern Elder Academy) is the world’s first midlife wisdom school. This special school helps you embrace change and thrive in times of transition, equips you with the tools to ignite your life with purpose, and unearth your wisdom, and unlock your hidden potential, all while embracing your second adulthood.
Jeff has opened my eyes to new possibilities, and I'm excited to head off sometime soon to Baja to join their in-person workshops and enjoy every moment on a sun-drenched stretch of the Pacific, far away from the usual day-to-day worries!
"Transitions is how we handle change. That's it. And the way we handle change in our lives determines whether we grow or shrink."
- Jeff Hamaoui
In This Episode:
-What is the Modern Elder Academy (MEA Wisdom)?
-What is a transition?
-The three key factors of healthy aging
-What is the experience like at MEA Wisdom?
-How Jeff met Chip Conley and discovered an idyllic home
-What is regeneration, and how does it apply to human beings?
-Finding your wisdom and purpose as you age
And much more.
Resources:
-Wiser Than Me with Julia Louis-Dreyfus: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/wiser-than-me-with-julia-louis-dreyfus/id1678559416
-Life is in the Transitions by Bruce Feiler: https://www.brucefeiler.com/books-articles/life-is-in-the-transitions/
-Live to 100: Secrets of the Blue Zones: https://media.netflix.com/en/only-on-netflix/81214929
-Regeneration by Paul Hawken: https://regeneration.org/the-book
Connect with Jeff Hamaoui:
-Website: https://www.meawisdom.com/
-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-hamaoui-a3318
Connect with Maureen Clough:
-Instagram: @itgetslateearly -
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It is a popular opinion among some people of the younger generations that baby boomers have gotten all the good stuff and left nothing but a broken system for future generations. But boomers, now in their older years, are facing something new and decidedly less good: ageism.
Should we feel sorry for them? Should we advocate on their behalf, and on behalf of our future selves? Well, according to my guest today, the answer is a big, fat “nope!”
I’m joined by Chad Sowash, the co-host of “HR's Most Dangerous Podcast” – The Chad & Cheese Podcast. I had no clue how the episode would unfold, letting Chad take the reins…and what happened certainly surprised me.
Chad has worked in the HR, Talent Acquisition, and HR Tech space for over 20 years, consulting for hundreds of Fortune 500 companies like AT&T, Lockheed Martin, and The Ford Motor Company, to name a few.
Join us as we discuss controversial workforce issues. If you want to get insights into the darker, more challenging side of the multigenerational workforce – and also hopefully have a good laugh while pondering your opinion on these issues – today's episode won't disappoint!
Fair warning, though: if you're uncomfortable with profanity, or offended by the suggestion that the boomers had it coming, this conversation might be too dangerous for you!
"When we start to see the boomers move out, 'cause they're a very large population, there's going to be that huge sucking sound that actually pulls us all UP! If we haven't been there, we're going to get pulled up into those positions, and companies aren't going to have a choice. Where they do have a choice, and they should be investing now, is in their future leadership and being able to get them up to speed so that on Day One, they don't have this huge skills gap."
- Chad Sowash
In This Episode:
-Why Chad says boomers need to get out of the workforce
-It’s five o’clock somewhere vibes
-Why should a listener care whether ageism exists or not?
-How long can an individual actually stay in the workforce?
-Whose responsibility is it to address the skills gap?
-Should we focus on ageism?
-What happens when age intersects with other marginalized group status
-Why Chad believes we should put our energy elsewhere instead of fighting ageism
-Will the millennials (or any generation) be able to dismantle age stereotypes?
-Millennials vs. Gen Xers - the ultimate standoff
-What's the real issue here, and how do we solve it?
And much more.
Resources:
-Research: How Bias Against Women Persists in Female-Dominated Workplaces by Amy Diehl, Amber L. Stephenson, and Leanne M. Dzubinski: https://hbr.org/2022/03/research-how-bias-against-women-persists-in-female-dominated-workplaces
Connect with Chad Sowash:
-Website: https://www.chadcheese.com/
-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chadsowash/
-Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/nz/podcast/the-chad-cheese-podcast/id1211760335
Connect with Maureen Clough:
-Instagram: @itgetslateearly -
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Many companies are aware of the importance of promoting DEIB in the workplace. It's where you implement measures to ensure your employees feel respected and are treated fairly in an inclusive environment where they can feel comfortable as themselves - and in so doing, create optimal business outcomes.
However, many companies fail miserably when it comes to implementing their so-called DEIB programs. Why is that so? Let's get insights from someone who understands exactly what it takes to finesse your DEIB recipe to get the best possible outcome.
Today's episode features Amelia Ransom, Smartsheet's VP of DEI. Smartsheet recently achieved 100% on the Human Rights Campaign’s Corporate Equality Index, a survey that evaluates corporate policies and practices pertaining to LGBTQ+ workplace equality - but as you’ll hear, Amelia doesn’t think that means their work is done.
Join us as we discuss this topic of diversity, equity, inclusion, and belonging in the workplace. You’ll learn the three-part framework Amelia thinks is optimal for sustained success, how we can reframe our thoughts about generational differences at work, and why Amelia has mixed feelings when it comes to the overall outlook for DEIB in the corporate realm.
"Here's the challenge with DEI if we're being honest: DEI tends to experience a renaissance at the expense of life. So we tend to pay more attention to DEI when a tragedy occurs, when a war happens, when the police are violating the rights of black people, like, name it."
- Amelia Ransom
In This Episode:
-How Amelia got into DEI
-What are the current trends in DEI, and what exactly does DEI stand for?
-What does it take to build a genuinely inclusive culture?
-Why do most DEI initiatives neglect to include age?
-Smartsheet receives accolades for hitting the mark on DEIB
-Amelia shares a fantastic analogy about how people can implement DEIB the right way
-What hope is there for the future of DEIB?
-How does Amelia set DEI goals organizationally?
-What are the red flags to watch out for when looking for work?
-When people say one thing, but they mean something else
And much more
Resources:
-Corporate DEI strategies are too focused on hiring. Here’s what to do instead: https://www.fastcompany.com/90890663/corporate-dei-strategies-are-too-focused-on-hiring-heres-what-to-do-instead
-Leading with Pride: Smartsheet achieves 100% on the Human Rights Campaign’s Corporate Equality Index: https://www.smartsheet.com/content-center/inside-smartsheet/diversity-equity-inclusion/leading-with-pride?utm_source=hootsuite&utm_medium=linkedin&utm_term=&utm_content=&utm_campaign=
Connect with Amelia Ransom:
-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ameliaransom/
Connect with Maureen Clough:
-Instagram: @itgetslateearly -
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Do you love jewelry? I do! But more than the jewelry, I love how today's guest makes beautiful jewelry accessible to many people.
Mariana Chambers founded Cut + Clarity, a premier destination for customizable, fine jewelry sustainably crafted in NYC. As an immigrant from Buenos Aires, Argentina, Mariana lives out passion and tradition in every aspect of her life.
Over the last two decades, Mariana has created jewelry collections for world-class brands and retailers. In 2017, as her family grew, so did Mariana’s desire to leave her daughter with a legacy she could be proud of—one that showcases her immigrant roots and the value immigrants create in local economies and throughout the country.
Today, we talk about Mariana's journey through building a business anchored in her mission and vision to uphold artisanal craftsmanship while improving the lives of people in the community.
And while she loves making handcrafted jewelry, Mariana knows she has to leverage technology to grow her business further. She found a way inside the tech space, proving that an immigrant woman with an indomitable spirit can achieve astronomical success.
Join me in wishing Mariana the best of luck for her Techstars demo day pitch on January 11, 2024.
"I envision a world where the value that we place on goods has as much to do with the actual thing that we're buying but also has much to do with how our purchase affects our community."
- Mariana Chambers
In This Episode:
-How Mariana found her way into the tech industry
-A fantastic display of Mariana's indomitable spirit
-Mariana's biggest takeaway from the hackathon
-Cut + Clarity mission and vision
-The reason for Mariana's passion to create beautiful jewelry
-Current status of funding for women founders
-Mariana's advice for people who want to pursue their dreams
-What is there to love about getting older?
And much more
Connect with Mariana Chambers:
-Website: https://cutandclarity.co/
-Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cutandclarityco/
-Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/cutandclarityco
-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mariana-russo-chambers-she-her-174b72a/
-TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@cutandclarityco
Connect with Maureen Clough:
-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/
-YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1
-Website: itgetslateearly.com -
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Have you ever experienced any form of bullying or harassment in the workplace, which makes you wonder why you accepted that job in the first place? How exactly do you deal with workplace issues without sacrificing your future in the company?
Today's episode is a bit different from the norm: Attorney Ryan, aka The Labor Lawyer & Working Class podcast host, and I are joining forces to deliver a joint episode. We borrowed Working Class’s long-form, unfiltered interview style for this one, which was a lot of fun. We took turns discussing workplace issues we have experienced, and Ryan explained what the law says about them.
Even though we both have some crazy stories from our past employment, I'm pretty sure many of you can relate to the things we go over. You might not feel safe discussing these things with others, but this episode will guide you in advocating for yourself when no one else will. We also get into some raw, funny, and vulnerable discussions about our past as well as the future of our country.
Join me as I speak with Attorney Ryan Stygar, a former firefighter for Cal Fire and San Diego County. He spent several seasons as a desert rescue specialist and wildland firefighter. Firefighter Ryan later left the fire department to earn a law degree and graduated Magna Cum Laude from California Western School of Law. Now well-known across social media as The Labor Lawyer, Ryan is the author of various books across several genres and hosts the Working Class podcast, where he breaks down the most outrageous, engaging, and sometimes hilarious workplace lawsuits. Ryan’s videos deliver insights on workers’ rights issues in plain terms, demystifying what will and won’t fly at work, and inspiring workers to self-advocate or find an attorney to fight on your behalf.
"Nothing you tick off on a resume, no job title is going to give you peace. It's not going to complete you. Yes, money will make you happier, it will give you peace of mind, but it will not fix that hole. And no job title is going to fix that hole if you're not sure who you are."
- Attorney Ryan
In This Episode:
-How old is too old for the tech industry?
-The pressure that comes with being around "smarter" people
-Invisible Labor: Could this be the root cause of burnout in working women?
-Can we cope with the current layoff situation in tech?
-Where venture capitalists should be betting their money
-What does an age-diverse team look like, and why does it matter?
-What is psychological safety?
-What makes a good leader?
-What brought Attorney Ryan to Employment Law?
-What is institutional inertia?
-Is talking about your pay a terminable offense?
-What does a hostile work environment look like?
-Understanding the concept of allyship
-How to advocate for yourself in the workplace
-Why it's hard for people to recognize when they have a privilege
And much more
Resources:
-Fair Play Life Documentary: https://www.fairplaylife.com/documentary
-HBR Research: The Average Age of a Successful Startup Founder Is 45: https://hbr.org/2018/07/research-the-average-age-of-a-successful-startup-founder-is-45
-Ryan Stygar Books:
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