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In certain corners of the internet some suspicious numbers are cropping up again and again. People claiming that 400 churches have been burnt to the ground or attacked in an assortment of countries, including France, the US and Canada. So, what is going on? Is there a spate of anti-Christian crime sweeping the globe?
We look into what the data actually tells us.
If you've seen a number in the news you think we should take a look at, email [email protected].uk
Presenter: Tim Harford Reporter/Producer: Lizzy McNeillSeries Producer: Tom Colls Editor: Richard Vadon Production Coordinator: Brenda Brown Sound Mix: Dave O'Neill
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Tim Harford investigates some of the numbers in the news. This week:
The Daily Express claims that ‘Migrants will get half of all new homes’, based on a calculation from the Conservatives. We explain why that’s not what the numbers say, and ask what the Conservatives own record on migration and housing tells us.
Does one in five Welsh pupils leave school functionally illiterate? We take a dive into the world of Welsh education and find the numbers tell a different story - but not an encouraging one.
Accusations are flying about who’s responsible for the UK’s high borrowing costs. Does Liz Truss still cast a shadow over the bond market? Is Labour infighting to blame? Or are we missing the economic wood for the political trees? Duncan Weldon has the answers.
And an answer to a question that literally only one person was asking: how many football pitches would fit inside Wales?
More or Less is the programme that looks at numbers and statistics in news and in life. We’re always looking for questions from listeners - you can contact us on [email protected].uk.
Guests: Ben Brindle - researcher at the Migration Observatory at the University of OxfordJames Riding - Living Markets and Sustainability Editor at Inside HousingKathy Rastle - Professor of Cognitive Psychology at the University of LondonDuncan Weldon - Economist and author of Blood and TreasureRob Eastaway - mathematician and author of Maths on the Back of an Envelope
Presenter: Tim HarfordSeries Producer: Tom CollsReporter: Nathan GowerProducers: Josh McMinn, Lizzy McNeillEditor: Richard VadonProgramme Coordinator: Brenda Brown Sound Engineer: James Beard
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On the 17th of May the World Health Organisation declared a new outbreak of Ebolavirus in the Democratic Republic of the Congo as an International Emergency.
Ebola virus is an extremely nasty viral disease with a high death toll. But despite its severity, very little is known about the number of infections in this current outbreak, in part because this particular species of Ebola is a rare one.
Headlines recently stated that modelling shows that the number of infections could be almost 1,000 more than recorded. We speak to Dr Ruth McCabe, an epidemiologist at Imperial College London, who worked on the modelling behind those estimates.
Presenter: Tim Harford Producer: Lizzy McNeill Sound Mix: James Beard Production Coordinator: Brenda Brown Editor: Richard Vadon
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Tim Harford investigates some of the numbers in the news. This week:
Headlines have claimed that “healthy life expectancy” in the UK has fallen by two years. What does this actually mean?
A new government report estimates that HS2 will cost almost double its original estimate. We ask where the money’s gone.
Chancellor Rachel Reeves has reduced VAT on theme parks, aquariums and other summer fun. But will these savings get passed on to the consumer?
And Tim gives a much-anticipated update on his recent marathon.
Contributors:Stuart McDonald - actuary at LCP Health AnalyticsJohn Burn-Murdoch - Chief Data Reporter for the Financial TimesKate Lamble - journalist and presenter of ‘Derailed: The story of HS2’Dan Neidle - founder of Tax Policy Associates
Credits:Presenter: Tim HarfordReporter / Producer: Lizzy McNeillProducers: Tom Colls, Nathan Gower and John McMinnProduction co-ordinator: Brenda BrownSound mix: Neil ChurchillEditor: Richard Vadon
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What does it mean if you say that something is an epidemic? In the case of a virus, it usually means that it is spreading rapidly and that more and more people are getting infected.
When a disease isn’t on the rise but is there in a population at a reasonably steady level, we tend to say that the disease is endemic. But what if the thing you’re talking about is not a virus, but a feeling?
In 2023, the US surgeon general launched a report called “Our Epidemic of Loneliness and Isolation”, warning of the health harms of being lonely and socially isolated.
The idea that there is an epidemic of loneliness didn’t start there - the term was already in use in the US in the 2010s. And it’s a phrase that’s still going strong, popping up in news stories on a regular basis.
After that warning from the US Surgeon General, the World Health Organisation launched the Commission on Social Connection, with their director general warning that “more and more people are finding themselves isolated and lonely.”
But is it true that loneliness rates are increasing? Is it right to say we’re in the midst of an epidemic of loneliness? It’s hard to find the data that backs up this claim.
If you’ve seen a number in the news you think we should take a look at, email [email protected].uk
CONTRIBUTOR:
Professor Melody Ding, an epidemiologist and population behavioural scientist at the University of Sydney
This programme has been edited to correct a minor technical production error on 27/05/2026
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Presenter: Tim HarfordReporter: Tom CollsProduction co-ordinator: Brenda BrownSound mix: Dave O’NeillEditor: Richard Vadon
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Tim Harford investigates some of the numbers in the news. On the programme:
Last week, Annunziata Rees-Mogg took to X to post a claim about the proportion of sex offences in Dorset that are committed by asylum seekers, writing that “asylum seekers make up 0.8% of Dorset’s population and 44% of alleged sex offenses. So unbelievable I had to check.” We checked too, and the number isn’t right.
In the last series of More or Less we suggested that nuclear power plant Hinkley C was spending so much on protecting the fish population that it would cost something like £250,000 per fish saved. We’ve had to take a look at that one too.
Last year, we looked at a report by the Bible Society based on polling from YouGov. The Quiet Revival suggested that churchgoing was on the rise in the UK, with young men leading the trend. YouGov now have an update on that survey.
How many caterpillars does a blue tit chick eat before it leaves the nest? In a recent nature documentary, Sir David Attenborough said the right number was 20,000. We’re not so sure.
If you’ve seen a number in the news you think we should take a look at, email the more or Less team: [email protected].uk
CONTRIBUTORS:
Madeleine Sumption, Director of the Migration Observatory at Oxford UniversityProfessor David Voas, Emeritus Professor of Social Science in the UCL Social Research InstituteAnnette Jäckle, Professor of Survey Methodology at the University of Essex and a Deputy Director of the UK Household Longitudinal StudyDr Malcolm Burgess, Principal Conservation Scientist at the RSPB
CREDITSPresenter: Tim HarfordReporter: Lizzy McNeillProducer: Nathan Gower and Josh McGinnSeries producer: Tom CollsProduction co-ordinator: Brenda BrownSound mix: James BeardEditor: Richard Vadon
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It’s said that AI could soon be coming for the jobs of artists, lawyers, and software engineers. But it might now also be threatening a role at the height of academia – are pure mathematicians safe? Last month, a Stanford mathematician woke up to an email, claiming to have the solution to a problem he'd been working on for seven years - a 60-year-old conundrum known as "Erdos Problem 1196". The answer had been generated in just 80 minutes - by ChatGPT. Since the end of last year, AI has been providing solutions to a number of novel maths problems, but Problem 1196 is the first to raise eyebrows within the mathematical community. In this episode, we talk to the mathematicians who've worked on Problem 1196 and find out what the rise of AI could mean for the future of their field. CONTRIBUTORS:Katie Steckles, Mathematician and communicatorJared Duker Lichtman, Szegő Assistant Professor of Mathematics at Stanford UniversityLiam Price, amateur mathematician Credits:
Presenter: Charlotte McDonaldProducer: Josh McMinnSeries producer: Tom CollsProduction co-ordinator: Brenda BrownSound mix: Dave O'NeillEditor: Richard Vadon
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According to the World Health organisation, smoking kills some 7 million people every year. It is one of the world’s leading causes of preventable death.
Because smoking causes lung cancer and other awful health conditions, many smokers switch to vaping - using nicotine-based e-cigarettes.
But the World Health organisation is also concerned about vaping. Last year they said 100 million people around the world are now using e-cigarettes, including millions of children, and warned that they were fuelling a new wave of nicotine addiction.
But how do the health risks of these two means of getting nicotine into your bloodstream compare?
According to a recent headline in the Daily Mail, they’re basically the same. Here’s the headline:
“Vaping is linked to lung and mouth cancer in major study, as experts warn: 'It is NOT safer than smoking’”
But is vaping really just as bad for you as smoking?
CONTRIBUTOR:
Professor Lion Shahab, Co-Director of the UCL Tobacco and Alcohol Research Group
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Presenter: Charlotte McDonaldReporter/producer: Tom CollsProduction co-ordinator: Brenda BrownSound mix: Dave O’NeilEditor: Richard Vadon
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If you spend much time on social media, and we don’t necessarily recommend it, then you’ve probably come across a strange fascination with water consumption.
Mainly, this is people telling you that using AI is terrible for the planet because of how much water it uses. We’ve already made a couple of programmes about the numbers in those arguments and, long story short, they probably aren’t saying what you think they’re saying.
But on platforms like X, BlueSky, and TikTok, an opportunity to keep an argument going is rarely missed And one of the numbers that’s been enlisted in that glorious cause concerns the water that’s used for a seemingly unrelated past-time - eating beef. Here’s an example from a user on X:
“A kilogram of beef requires over 15,000 litres of water to produce,” they wrote. “A vegan who uses ChatGPT every day is living a more sustainable lifestyle than someone who regularly eats beef while boycotting AI.”
Ignoring the AI part, is that true? Does it actually take 15,000 litres of water to produce a kilogram of beef? It turns out that the number isn’t wrong, but it probably isn’t saying what you think it’s saying.
If you’ve seen a number you think we should take a look at, email the More or Less team: [email protected].uk
CONTRIBUTORS:Mesfin Mekonnen, Assistant Professor at the University of AlabamaMark Mulligan, Professor of Physical and Environmental Geography at King's College LondonTim Hess, Professor of Water and Food Systems at Cranfield University CREDITS:Presenter: Charlotte McDonaldProducer: Mhairi MacKenzieSeries producer: Tom CollsProduction co-ordinator: Brenda BrownSound mix: Emma HarthEditor: Richard Vadon
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Vaccine policy in the US is something of an ideological battleground.
Health Secretary Robert F Kennedy Jr is a vaccine sceptic, and since taking office he has attempted to remake US vaccine policy.
In March a judge blocked his proposal to cut the number of jabs that are recommended for kids.
At the same time, last year saw the worst measles outbreak in the US in decades. There were more than 2000 cases last year, and three people died. There have been more than 1500 cases so far in 2026.
There’s a lot going on, so it’s possible the public’s views on vaccination are shifting.
A new poll published by online news site Politico added a big claim into the mix. According to the headline “more Americans doubt vaccine safety than trust it”.
But is that what the survey actually found?
Dr David Higgins, a paediatrician and public health assistant professor who writes a Substack called Community Immunity, explains why he believes the headline is misleading.
If you've seen a number in the news you think we should take a look at, email [email protected].uk
Presenter: Charlotte McDonald Series producer: Tom Colls Production co-ordinator: Brenda Brown Sound mix: Neil Churchill Editor: Richard Vadon
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US president Donald Trump is no fan of wind turbines, or windmills as he calls them.
Not only does he think they ruin the view from a golf course he owns in Scotland, but they are also deadly to birds.
“If you love birds, you’d never want to walk under a windmill,” he said in 2019.
“It’s a very sad, sad sight. It’s like a cemetery. We put a little statue for the poor birds.”
Earlier this year he posted on Truth Social saying that wind turbines were killing “millions” of birds.
But is that true? We speak to Dr Hannah Ritchie, Deputy Editor at Our World in Data and senior researcher at the University of Oxford, who has dug into the numbers on bird mortality and wind turbines.
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Presenter: Charlotte McDonaldProducer: Mhairi MacKenzieSeries producer: Tom CollsProduction co-ordinator: Brenda BrownSound mix: Sue MaillotEditor: Richard Vadon
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Sometimes it is obvious to everyone when an idea is harmful, or a piece of advice is damaging. But not always. Occasionally bad ideas and terrible advice end up being accepted in society and supported by people in authority.
In such circumstances, one of the most powerful tools for changing people's minds is evidence – scientific studies that show beyond doubt that the bad idea is, indeed, a bad idea.
That's the subject of a new book by Helen Pearson, titled Beyond Belief: How Evidence Shows What Really Works.
An editor at the scientific journal Nature in her day job, the book chronicles those determined individuals who shake up the status quo by gathering just the right kind of evidence.
One story in that book stood out to us on More or Less as it shows just what happens when you don't have the evidence you need to challenge a dangerous way of doing things.
It's the story of a piece of advice from childcare expert Dr Benjamin Spock.
In a 1958 revision of his bestselling parenting guide Baby and Childcare he made a small change to his advice on sleeping position – advising parents to put their babies to sleep on their front.
It eventually became clear that this sleeping position was associated with a significant increase in the risk of sudden infant death, or cot death.
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Presenter: Charlotte McDonaldSeries producer: Tom CollsProduction co-ordinator: Brenda BrownSound mix: Rod FarquharEditor: Richard Vadon
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When you’re listening to the news, you will often hear words that are meant to communicate the probability of something happening. A terrorist attack is “a realistic possibility”, the spread of a certain strain of virus is “highly likely", the relegation of your favourite football team is “possible”.
But when you hear these terms, do you really know what kind of probabilities they’re trying to convey? Do you know how likely “likely” is? Or what probability “probable” is meant to get across?
In some cases, it seems you probably don't.
Professor Adam Kucharski, author of Proof, the Uncertain Science of Certainty, designed a quiz to work out the actual probabilities of the language we use to convey risks.
The data he got back shows how sometimes these words mean very different things to different people.
If you want to try the quiz for yourself, head over to https://probability.kucharski.io/
Email the More or Less team: [email protected].uk
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Presenter: Charlotte McDonaldSeries producer: Tom CollsProduction co-ordinator: Brenda BrownSound mix: Gareth JonesEditor: Richard Vadon
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As Artificial Intelligence continues to expand rapidly, some people have raised concerns about its potential environmental impact - in particular its use of water, which is used to cool both data centres and the power generators that supply them with electricity.
One recent book on AI contained the alarming prediction that AI could consume between 4 and 6 trillion litres a year by 2027. Could this eye-popping figure be right? If not, what is the correct figure, and is it a big number?
The devil, as ever, is in the detail, and with the help of expert Alex de Vries-Gao, the More or Loss team has taken a deep dive to get to the truth about AI and water consumption.
If you’ve seen a number in the news and you think More or Less should take a look, email the team on [email protected].uk
Presenter: Charlotte McDonaldProducer / Reporter: Nathan GowerSeries Producer: Tom CollsProgramme Coordinator: Brenda BrownSound Mix: Dave O’NeilEditor: Richard Vadon
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Paul Ehrlich’s bestselling book The Population Bomb opens with an apocalyptic paragraph.
“The battle to feed all of humanity is over,” it states. “In the 1970s and 1980s hundreds of millions of people will starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now. At this late date nothing can prevent a substantial increase in the world death rate.”
Professor Ehrlich, who died last week, made a simple argument. The global population was outrunning our capacity to produce enough food to feed everyone. Famine, disease and nuclear Armageddon would follow if the population was not controlled.
The book made him a celebrity, and he regularly spoke in public, warning of the imminent threat to humanity.
Sometimes his warnings were quite vague in terms of the timescale, but other times not - he was reported as saying in 1968 that if current trends continued, by the year 2000, the UK would be a “small group of impoverished islands, inhabited by some 70 million hungry people". "If I were a gambler," he was quoted as saying, "I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000".
But the UK did not collapse, the global death rate did not increase, and we have more food per person now than when he wrote the book.
So, what went wrong with Paul Ehrlich's predictions of a population apocalypse?
If you’ve seen a number or claim that you think More or Less should look at, email [email protected].uk CONTRIBUTORS
Vincent Geloso, Assistant Professor of economics at George Mason University
Darrell Bricker, global CEO of Ipsos Public Affairs and co-author of Empty Planet, the Shock of Global Population Decline
Peter Alexander, Professor of Global Food Systems at the University of Edinburgh
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Presenter: Charlotte McDonaldSeries producer: Tom CollsProduction co-ordinator: Brenda BrownSound mix: Dave O’NeilEditor: Richard Vadon
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In most sports, men compete against men and women compete against women. That is generally considered fair, because men are faster, more powerful and have greater endurance.
But there is an ongoing controversy about transgender women - people who were born male and now identify as women. Is it fair for them to compete in the women’s sport category or do they have an advantage?
A study in the British Journal of Sports Medicine recently added to the debate with an analysis that found the strength and fitness of transgender women is “comparable” with that of women.
More or Less looks into the research to explain what it does, and does not, say.
Contributors:
Professor Alun Williams, Manchester Metropolitan University
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Presenter: Charlotte McDonaldReporter: Tom CollsProduction co-ordinator: Brenda BrownSound Mix: Gareth JonesEditor: Richard Vadon
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On Saturday 28th February, the US and Israel launched a military attack on Iran, targeting the country's missile infrastructure, military sites and leadership.
In response, Iran launched a wave of strikes across the region, including on Israel and the Gulf states.
Iran has a stockpile of ballistic missiles, which it’s firing at neighbouring countries. These countries in turn are using interceptor missiles to try and shoot them down.
But is it clear who will run out of missiles first?
Contributor:
Kelly Grieco, senior fellow at the Stimson Center
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Presenter: Charlotte McDonaldSeries producer: Tom CollsProduction co-ordinator: Brenda BrownSound Mix: Tom BrignellEditor: Richard Vadon
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Have a million new species just been discovered?
That’s the claim made by Dr Oliver Vince, co-founder of a company called Basecamp Research, who are collecting genetic data to train AI systems. The hope is that they’ll be able to use this to discover new medicines.
But is this number a good one? Rob Finn, from the European Bioinformatics Institute, explains what is being counted and how you go about counting them.
Credits:Presenter and producer: Tom CollsProduction co-ordinator: Brenda BrownSound mix: Dave O’NeillEditor: Richard Vadon
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AI can make mistakes – and AI chatbots like ChatGPT warn you about that whenever you ask them anything.
These mistakes sometimes involve making up entirely fictitious, factually false statements known as “hallucinations”.
Whether these hallucinations matter depends on what you’re using AI for, and whether they are spotted and corrected.
The team on More or Less were slightly surprised to read a headline in Fortune magazine, claiming that a top academic AI conference accepted research papers which contained 100 AI-hallucinated citations.
You might think that the top AI researchers in the world would be careful about using AI to write their research papers.
Alex Cui, CTO and co-founder of GPTZero – whose company discovered the hallucinations – explains what’s going on.
CREDITS:Presenter and producer: Tom CollsSound mix: James BeardProduction co-ordinator: Brenda BrownEditor: Richard Vadon
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Modern sport can seem awash with money, but it’s been claimed that the richest sportsperson of all is an ancient Roman Charioteer from the second century AD called Gaius Appuleius Diocles, with career winnings that stood at 35 million sesterces. One calculation has translated that into an astonishing $15 billion dollars today, and it’s a figure that’s stuck. But should we believe it? Duncan Weldon talks to ancient historian Professor Mary Beard from the University of Cambridge to learn more about the big business of chariot racing, and how we should think about money and wealth in the economies of the past. Presenter: Duncan WeldonProducer: Nathan GowerSeries Producer: Tom CollsEditor: Richard VadonProgramme Coordinator: Brenda Brown Sound Engineer: James Beard
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