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It’s easier to read the mind of a fox than to guess
what a man’s about to say when he returns
from the woods head full of roots veins
more like branches shoes in one hand feet
blistered and none of this necessarily
an indication of how the feet feel what miles
uphill and back have done to the soles
and to the small bones that propel a man
Excerpt of Rest Before You Sleep
By Dionisio D. Martínez
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Contributing Producer Marie Kilaru discusses the emotional impacts of making and seeing Before and After posts; Charlie Harding of Switched on Pop joins Jason to talk about what pop-musical acts have sounded like the internet. Also: Georgia reads Franny Choi’s “Unrequited Lovesong for the Panopticon”
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Intro Links
Why a near-miss cyberattack put US officials and the tech industry on edge – ReutersWhen Facebook fails, local media matters even more for our planet’s future – Kansas ReflectorWe can slay giants – HandbasketFCC to vote to restore net neutrality rules, reversing Trump – ReutersLinkedIn plans to add gaming to its platform – TechcrunchMike’s TwitchMike on the Alarmist!–
Before and After Photos
Find Marie at her website and on X.Mark Gaetano is on IG and YTSpecial thanks to Hannah Meacock-Ross for editorial support
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What (Pop Music) Does the Internet Sound Like?
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Never Post’s producers are Audrey Evans, Georgia Hampton and The Mysterious Dr. Firstname Lastname. Our contributing producer this episode is Marie Kilaru. Our senior producer is Hans Buetow. Our executive producer is Jason Oberholtzer. The show’s host is Mike Rugnetta.
After the accident we had
the phrase after the accident.
Also this: before the accident.
We had a drawer marked
before and after, and after
and before happenings
we'd add atrocities and
incidents and the wild
asters someone before
and after keeps leaving.
After By Andrea Cohen
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Georgia and guest producer Luis wonder why there is so much audio online that seems to sound bad on purpose; Mike talks to Gabriele de Seta and Paolo Berti about how the “megadungeon” is a productive model for understanding the internet. Also: posts from the field!
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The House passed a TikTok ban bill. But is the app really a national security threat? – Bobby Allyn, NPRMembers of Congress are getting pushback on the TikTok ban from their own angry Gen Z kids – Lindsay Dodgson, Business InsiderUS sues Apple for illegal monopoly over smartphones – Lauren Feiner, VergeUnited States v. Apple is pure nerd rage – Sarah Jeong, VergeCatherine, Princess of Wales, Reveals She Has Cancer – NYTThe great Kate Middleton backtracking – EmbeddedFacebook is trying to make ‘poking’ cool again – Aisha Malik, TechCrunch–
Burnt Toast Audio
https://www.tiktok.com/@tiaraskye_https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4WXquxJWxG/?igsh=ZGx6eWJiODRxcDg1https://www.tiktok.com/@cbc/video/7285762769880714501?_r=1&_t=8ktpSHiLKYQhttps://www.tiktok.com/@theporktornadoes/video/7179733641092746542?_r=1&_t=8ktqqvEJL2dhttps://www.tiktok.com/@inf1n1temusic/video/7195244395220749574?_r=1&_t=8ktqPN6UmMxhttps://www.tiktok.com/@cchiphop/video/7232580386759380267?_r=1&_t=8ktpfRDu1uRhttps://www.tiktok.com/@epic.cammy1933/video/7348992219698826539?_r=1&_t=8ktunEQdWZyhttps://www.tiktok.com/@notamine/video/7347043430738054406?_r=1&_t=8ktqF4oIwpDhttps://www.tiktok.com/@tiaraskye_/video/7310222966363573537?_r=1&_t=8kqgpZcBXPbhttps://www.tiktok.com/@tiaraskye_/video/7313244933232676129?_r=1&_t=8kqgkXi96g3https://www.tiktok.com/@tiaraskye_/video/7173471436479139078?_r=1&_t=8klktUzJ8Nrhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzzUPZs5l1Yhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-3IV11_ZgAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2D-ZO2rGcSAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77sS5IuR0Gshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2_r4q2imnQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvjQXF5ucO0–
Megadungeons
Megadungeon: A Model for Media Complexity, MagazenMegadungeon: New Digital Volumetries in Art and Media, YT Playlistparanom.asia, Gabriele de Setaunive.it, Paolo Berti–
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Expand the sense of urgency with which you communicate. Installing this machine in your environment will ensure that your temper matches the tenor of the world as it crosses your threshold. Instantly you will match emergent problems in volume and strain -- no longer will you be trumped by sirens or fear. Use the multilayered time matrix to detect radiant torpor.
Object #5923 - from Catalog of Nothingness by Kate Armstrong
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Hans wonders why ‘being informed’ is so exhausting, and if there’s anything he can do about it (short answer: sorta) and a few members of the Never Post team discuss “important emails”. Also: the hunt for Diet Caffeine Free Dr. Pepper continues.
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Intro Links
The Media-Sensational Rise and Fall of “Jim Spanfeller Is a Herb” – Ashley Feinberg, SlateDeadspin’s entire staff has been laid off after the sports site was sold to a startup – Liam Reilly, CNNSecond Iteration Of Deadspin Now Also Dead – Samer Kalaf, DefectorGMG Union on Deadspin Layoffs – gmgunion.bsky.social“Amidst the tide of layoffs plaguing the media industry…” – Meera Pattni, LinkedInGoogle now wants to limit the AI-powered search spam it helped create – Ron Amadeo, Ars TechnicaDiscord to Offer Rewards for Gamers as CEO Considers IPO – Cecilia D'Anastasio, BloombergHouse GOP moves ahead with TikTok vote as Trump voices opposition to possible ban – AP via NPRU.S. Bill Targets TikTok’s Future and Threatens the Open Web – Tianyu Fang, New AmericaTrump's TikTok ban reversal comes after meeting megadonor who has stake in TikTok – Adam Carlson and Max Zahn, ABC NewsMike on Object Worship–
Critical Ignoring Links
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/09637214221121570Stephan Lewandowsky -- https://www.lewan.uk/–
Important Emails Links
https://www.tiktok.com/@mattbooshell/video/7161110027124690218?lang=en, reposted at https://hive.com/blog/generational-email-writing-stereotypes/https://www.forbes.com/sites/wesgay/2017/08/29/millennials-email-adobe/?sh=18c9b24b52f8https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/what-millennials-use-email-tells-us-how-we-need-change-bill-hurley/ (lol)–
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You come in
by the same door, you carry
what cannot be left for its own
sweet shimmer of reason, its false blood;
the same tint I hear with the pulse it touches
and will not melt. Such shading
of the rose to its stock tips the bolt
from the sky, rising in its effect of what
motto we call peace talks. And yes the
quiet turn of your page is the day
tilting so, faded in the light.
Excerpt of Rich in Vitamin C by JH Prynne
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We respond to listener comments about independent media co-ops, the disappearance of tween fashion, posting disease, influencer voice, mourning online, and human height throughout history.
1. One interpretation of ""Never Post"" is that it's like the internet version of the taoist wei wu wei which translates to something like ""do by not doing" and reminds us how often trying to accomplish something makes us less likely to succeed. You install a Ring camera for safety and now you're always paranoid. You complement someone for saying something smart and they stop speaking because they're afraid of sounding dumb.
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Nick's thoughts on "Never Post" and the internet:The historian/political scientist/anarchist James Scott borrows the term "iatrogenic" from medicine to describe how many of societies' attempts to control rivers (e.g., levees) only cause the rivers to become more unruly.
Iatrogenic illnesses are ailments caused by medicine or medical care. Iatrogenic systems are ferociously hardy because simple attempts to solve them just feed them. You can think of the capitalist work ethic where the only way (besides inheritance) to secure a life of financial independence outside of capitalist pressures is to dive head first into the capitalist waters and work hard at a lucrative job for a long time (see adherents of the FIRE movement).
Social media seems like a classic iatrogenic system. You dunk or subtweet an egregious post and it makes the poster post more. The truly skilled poster posts by not posting. Never posts. Learning not to repost bad posts is a major spiritual milestone for the internet citizen.
2. An irony is that if the best way to steward the internet is to never post, doesn't the internet disappear under ideal stewardship? Derrida's "Structure, Sign, and Play in the Discourse of the Human Sciences" tries to solve a related problem in postmodern discourse. The problem is, every deconstruction, no matter how profound, rests on some logical/linguistic "center" that itself is not real or stable. So every deconstruction can itself be deconstructed and you just have infinite regress. If postmodernists know this, what's even the point of writing for each other any more?
Derrida's solution is freeplay which is about recognizing existience as full of other world with their own "centers" that are yet all connected. A mistake is anchoring yourself to any of those single centers. Freeplay is hopping worlds with "the joyous affirmation of the play of the world and of the innocence of becoming, the affirmation of a world of signs without fault, without truth, and without origin which is offered to an active interpretation".
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Georgia talks with Tamara Kneese about how the software of the platform internet works against the social flows of grieving, and mourning. Mike then talks about men who throw ping pong balls into solo cups. ALSO: chill, lo-fi, public domain beats.
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Rascal News -- https://www.rascal.news/New York Times -- Supreme Court to Decide How the First Amendment Applies to Social MediaThe Atlantic -- Texas’s Social-Media Law Is Dangerous. Striking It Down Could Be Worse.NBC News -- Supreme Court justices express free speech concerns about GOP-backed social media lawsThe Verge -- Yahoo lays off the leaders of EngadgetTerrence O’Brien -- layoff announcementLA Times -- Vice.com News Site Shut Down Reuters -- Vice Media to be acquired by Fortress-led lender group for $350 millionMegan Greenwell -- Fortress Investment Group destroys GannettNew Hour – Gannett Journalists Walk OutRIP Corp: VICE DocsJules Suzdaltsev -- NowThis News video deletionErnie Smith -- Archiving VICEJules Suzdaltsev -- Buying VICE archive–
Online Mourning
Find Tamara:
https://www.tamarakneese.com/Death Glitch: https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300248272/death-glitch/Adriana’s tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPR3BfJxc/
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Trickshot Timeworkers
Watch some Trickshotters:
Dude Perfect, https://www.youtube.com/user/corycotton, https://www.tiktok.com/@dudeperfect Sam “Trixshot” Carlson, https://www.tiktok.com/@teamtrixshot, https://www.trixshot.com/https://www.tiktok.com/@thatsjustunrealhttps://www.tiktok.com/@magicofmatthttps://www.tiktok.com/@hulett_brothershttps://www.tiktok.com/@thebadertscherhttps://www.tiktok.com/@nextlevel_trickshots_Kierkegaard, Repetition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repetition_(Kierkegaard_book)
Antonia Pont, A Philosophy of Practising With Deleuze's Difference and Repetition, https://hdl.handle.net/10536/DRO/DU:30155974
Albert Camus, The Myth of Sisyphus, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_Sisyphus
Tara Asgar:
https://hyperallergic.com/826119/tara-asgar-embraces-freedom-in-sadness/https://www.newschool.edu/parsons/faculty/tara-asgar/–
Citizen DJ
Citizen DJ -- https://citizen-dj.labs.loc.gov/
Brian Foo -- https://brianfoo.com/
A brief guide to the law and ethics of the digital sampling of recorded sound materials
Send us your tracks! We might use them on an upcoming episode.
Interstitial 1 contains samples of "Off the record interview with Barry White, 1987-04-03" by Smith, Joe (1928-) (Interviewer) and White, Barry (1944 - 2003) (Interviewee). Retrieved from Joe Smith Collection at the Library of Congress, Motion Picture, Broadcasting and Recorded Sound Division.
Interstitial 2 contains samples of "Off the record interview with Randy Newman, [1986-1988?]-04-15" by Smith, Joe (1928-) (Interviewer) and Newman, Randy (Interviewee). Retrieved from Joe Smith Collection at the Library of Congress, Motion Picture, Broadcasting and Recorded Sound Division.
Interstitial 3 contains samples of "Bull frog blues" by Brown, Tom -- Composer, Six Brown Brothers -- Musical Group, Klickmann, F. Henri -- Arranger, Shrigley, Guy -- Composer, Brown, Fred -- Instrumentalist -- Alto Saxophone, Brown, Alec -- Instrumentalist -- Baritone Saxophone, Brown, Vern -- Instrumentalist -- Bass Saxophone, Brown, Tom -- Instrumentalist -- Alto Saxophone, Fink, Harry -- Instrumentalist -- Tenor Saxophone, and Brown, William -- Instrumentalist -- Tenor Saxophone. Retrieved from Library of Congress, National Jukebox.
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We have undertaken something, the consequences of which we know not
We imagine we will be forced to choose
Something in us dramatizes the choice
We have created a universe of opposites
Which cannot be reconciled
We have created a dichotomy
The parts of which we cannot interpret
Except of HEADLINES from ATALANTA, Acts of God by ROBERT ASHLEY
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Mike talks with sociophonologist Lisa B. Davidson about why influencer voice exists, and with bass player and YouTuber Adam Neely about the people who have been retiring from YouTube.
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Intro Links
Never Post Ep 1 Hangout Stream VOD: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2057956412
News Links:
https://www.thewrap.com/coyote-vs-acme-update-offers-warner-bros/https://twitter.com/JoaquinCastrotx/status/1756190120334545302https://aftermath.site/coyote-vs-acme-fuck-david-zaslavhttps://www.computerworld.com/article/3712692/australias-new-right-to-disconnect-law-includes-jail-time-for-now.htmlhttps://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/crowd-sets-waymo-self-driving-car-on-fire-they-couldn-t-even-recognize-the-vehicle/ar-BB1i9xOohttps://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/photo-waymo-vehicle-blocks-fire-truck-in-san-francisco/–
Why Does Influencer Voice Exist?
Find Lisa:
https://as.nyu.edu/faculty/lisa-b-davidson.html
https://wp.nyu.edu/lisa_davidson/
https://bsky.app/profile/lisabdavidson.bsky.socialTikToks sampled:
https://www.tiktok.com/@natalyatoryanski/video/7291653300057918751https://www.tiktok.com/@jessmollybell/video/7161853565168848133https://www.tiktok.com/@naraazizasmith1/video/7281253290875079966https://www.tiktok.com/@charlidamelio/video/7334116903818071342https://www.tiktok.com/@addisonre/video/7322092051120688430https://www.tiktok.com/@lorengray/video/7326288207518256426https://www.tiktok.com/@averybrynn1/video/6977172076121574662https://www.tiktok.com/@averybrynn1/video/7325211552372575518–
The Great YouTube Retirement
This segment contains a portion of the Sungazer track Threshold: https://sungazermusic.bandcamp.com/track/threshold1.8 Million Subscribers (and no one cares): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RceZ8VS8PbQTom Scott retirement video: https://youtu.be/7DKv5H5Frt0?si=SvpIUq7OUQe_M_UkAdam’s Channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/havic5Sungazer’s AUS tour dates: https://www.sungazermusic.com/tour–
Birdsong ID app, Merlin: https://merlin.allaboutbirds.org/
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I want to be famous to shuffling men
who smile while crossing streets,
sticky children in grocery lines,
famous as the one who smiled back.I want to be famous in the way a pulley is famous,
or a buttonhole, not because it did anything spectacular,
but because it never forgot what it could do.Excerpt of Famous, by Naomi Shihab Nye.
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On the disappearance of tween-specific fashion trends, and the epidemic of Posting Disease plaguing social media. Also: a man on a mission.
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Apple Transcripts: https://podnews.net/article/apple-podcasts-transcriptions-faqRing and the Police: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/01/ring-announces-it-will-no-longer-facilitate-police-requests-footage-usershttps://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-01-24/amazon-s-ring-to-stop-letting-police-request-video-from-usersSocial CEOS on Capital Hill: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2024-01-30/social-media-ceos-brace-for-senate-scrutiny-on-child-safety-what-to-expect?srnd=undefinedCDC Youth Health Summary: https://www.cdc.gov/healthyyouth/data/yrbs/pdf/YRBS_Data-Summary-Trends_Report2023_508.pdfEvan Greer on KOSA: https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjven5/elizabeth-warren-just-backed-an-online-safety-bill-that-will-harm-lgbtq-youth–
Disappearing Tween Fashion Links
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRcEjae5/https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPR3e7q73/https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRcEhsPD/https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPR3dNn6c/https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPR3etHXa/https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPR3eEMNB/https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPR3dLQ1N/–
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CC-BY Licensed Audio Used
https://freemusicarchive.org/music/kirk-osamayo/blue-season-4
https://freesound.org/people/Qleq/sounds/679130/
2010 Pop by Akira Sora at Free Music Archive
Dream Pop by Holizna CC0 at Free Music Archive
Retro Synths by Holizna CC0 at Free Music Archive
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To kick things off, we had a roundtable conversation with a trio of makers and thinkers, all of whom are creating independent media. They are Gita Jackson (Aftermath), Alex Sujong Laughlin (Defector Media), and Rusty Foster (Today in Tabs).
We wanted to talk with Gita, Alex and Rusty about the current state of media, and why each of them has decided to strike out beyond the big, legacy media organizations and create something new.
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Welcome to my hometown. First episode in early 2024.
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Thanks to our guests Michael, Rob, Amanda, Vanessa, Tara, Jason and Bijan
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