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Innovative protein brands and proactive meetings. The hosts advocate for both in this episode, which also features an interview with Trey Zoeller, the founder of pioneering whiskey maker Jefferson’s Bourbon, a brand recognized by and awarded for its Ocean Aged At Sea expression, a whiskey matured on ships that travel around the world.
Show notes:
0:25: Bag It. Face To Face > Email. Take A Minute. The Liver! Fridge Pop. Beard Scoby. – Less than three weeks away from BevNET’s winter events, Ray gets agitated while sharing some important travel tips and the hosts explain why meeting John Foraker in December should be on your agenda. They also introduce a new Taste Radio social series, enjoy a new kind of scent in the studio and sample several products from protein-centric brands, including ancestral meat snacks, peanut butter cookies, and mint chip-flavored shakes. Ray also highlights a new brand of macron pops and John tests out a new kombucha-inspired after shave.
28:41: Interview: Trey Zoeller, Founder, Jefferson’s Bourbon – Trey, who first joined us for an interview in 2020, talks about why the pairing of oysters and Jefferson’s Bourbon Ocean Aged At Sea expression works so well. He also discusses the origins of the uniquely matured whiskey and why the product was initially disparaged by his industry colleagues, and how Jefferson’s, which is known for its innovative approach to aging, maintains the cache and image of being a renegade while simultaneously being a widely distributed and popular brand.
Brands in this episode: Daily Crunch, Once Upon A Farm, Fly By Jing, Country Archer, Russian River Brewing, Kombuchade, Hint, Grounded, LifeAid, H&H, Macarooz, Health-Ade, Dogfish Head, Love & Chew, Lenny & Larry’s, Jefferson’s Bourbon
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Most Americans eat cold bread. Ismail Salhi and Johanna Hartzheim are changing that dynamic one loaf at a time.
Ismail and Johanna are the founders of Wildgrain, a subscription-based service that ships boxes of par-baked frozen sourdough, pastries and hand-cut pasta to customers across the country.
The married couple and business partners came to the U.S. after years of living in Paris and wanted to give people access to the same warm loaves of artisanal breads, flaky croissants and chewy dinner rolls they ate daily in France.
Wildgrain partners with local bakers across the U.S. to produce its products, which are made with no preservatives, no artificial flavors and no bleached flour. No thawing is required. Just a few minutes in the oven is all you need to make fresh, warm bread.
Since Ismail and Johanna launched Wildgrain in 2020 at the outset of the Covid-19 pandemic, it has become one of the most successful food delivery companies in America generating $30 million in revenue last year and turning profitable.
How did Wildgrain achieve its position and why does the company’s trajectory continue to rise? The throughline has always been an extremely high level of customer service, according to Ismail, who we spoke with for an interview featured in this episode of Taste Radio.
Show notes:
0:35: Ismail Salhi, Co-Founder, Wildgrain – Ismail talks about the growing number of artisanal bakeries in urban neighborhoods, including his own and why “the delicious window” makes all the difference when baking and buying bread. He also discusses he and Joanna’s decision to launch Wildgrain after shutting down their previous business, how they convinced a tech investor to buy into their new concept, and why they shifted focus after originally planning to build a vertically integrated company. Ismail also explains why being obsessed with your existing customer base is key to a subscription-based model, how Wildgrain has created a network of suppliers that provide consistent quality (if not taste), how they kept customers happy when things went wrong with deliveries early in the company’s development, and why customer service is embedded in Wildgrain’s marketing strategy. Ismail also talks about how the company achieved profitability three years after its launch, mitigating a potential plateauing of its subscription model and why Wildgrain doesn’t hire “until it’s painful.”
Brands in this episode: Wildgrain, RXBAR, David, Lesser Evil, AG1
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The world needs plant-based spam. Nootropic beverages will make a comeback in 2025. T-shirts are the best brand swag. It’s buy-or-sell time, and the hosts transact in opinions. This episode also features interviews with the leaders of two fast-growing U.K.-based CPG companies: Jack Scott, the co-founder of flavored sparkling water brand Dash, and Kathryn Bricken, the founder of Doughlicious, a brand of frozen cookie dough and gelato bites.
Show notes:
0:25: No Results. We’re Available. Mindcraft. Un-Appealing. Brand Brush. Call It A Comeback. Like, Thanks. – Election Day has come and gone, but the hosts still don’t know who won. They will, however, be available to answer questions and make connections at BevNET’s Winter events. But before that, Ray needs a drop or two. Unmeat is on the plate, and not everyone is happy. Denim jackets might be the best gift you can give a customer (or member of the media) with toothbrushes coming in a close second. Mike urges everyone to back a coffee brand, salty snacks are all the rage, especially ones that taste like a turkey dinner, and a BFY gummy brand gets a big time partner.
37:33: Interview: Jack Scott, Co-Founder, Dash – Jack shares an introduction to Dash and discusses the company’s international distribution strategy, what he learned about the brand’s brief stint in the U.S. market and why hasn't it been a priority since, and why the American market is sometimes described as the "graveyard of so many British brands"
53:07: Interview: Kathryn Bricken, Founder & CEO, Doughlicious – Kathryn talks about the genesis of Doughlicious and why she chose to launch a frozen brand, how she assessed the timing and prepared for a U.S. launch, and how Whole Foods evaluated the brand and what gave its buyers confidence in its ability to succeed on its shelves. She also discusses Doughlicious’ national rollout at Target and how the company planned for a dramatic expansion in geography as well as a new retail channel and consumer base.
Brands in this episode: Dash, Doughlicious, Mochi Love, NOOISH, CHUTNI PUNCH, Harken Sweets, Brune Kitchen
Doosra, Apothekary, Heyday Canning Co., Belgian Boys, Nguyen Coffee Supply, Fly By Jing, Four Sigmatic, Magic Mind, Comeback Coffee, Like Air, Jones Soda, Once Upon A Coconut, Grounded Shakes, Pipcorn, Better Sour -
Olivia Ferdi is obsessed with the details.
The co-founder of Trip, a U.K.-based brand of lightly sparkling functional beverages intended to help people relax, Olivia says that a passion for the particulars is a key reason why Trip is the fastest-growing soft drink brand in the U.K. and currently preparing for a major expansion of its retail presence in the American market.
Trip debuted in 2019 and markets two product lines: one infused with CBD and adaptogens and the other, called Mindful Blend, is made with Lion’s Mane, ashwagandha, L-theanine and magnesium.
The brand is sold in over 30,000 points of distribution across Europe and the U.S and its Mindful Blend line will be available nationally at three yet-to-be-announced retail chains beginning in the first quarter of 2025.
In this episode, Olivia discusses how Trip’s philosophy of “product obsession” helped gave the company a fast start and keeps it building towards a more promising future. She also explains why “the customer is sacrosanct,” how the company is applying lessons from success in e-commerce to its brick and mortar business and why humility is key to its U.S. expansion.
Show notes:
0:35: Olivia Ferdi, Co-Founder, Trip – Olivia and Taste Radio editor Ray Latif chat about the industry meetup hosted the evening prior to their conversation, before the entrepreneur talks about Trip’s sponsorship of a Dua Lipa surprise concert in London later in the day. She also discusses Trip’s partnership with the Calm app, why she and Daniel never intended to build Trip as a U.K. brand, and how their personal experience with CBD became a “blind passion” to create a brand as a way to give people access to the ingredient. Olivia also explains how Trip’s “customer first” strategy has set it apart, how its well-crafted label design allowed the company to avoid using paid media early on, how she’s attempting to avoid pitfalls in the U.S. and the one word that can help Trip become a household name.
Brands in this episode: Trip, Brewdog, Sipsmith, Beavertown
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Another episode, another billion-dollar deal. In this case, the buyer (KDP), if not the brand (Ghost), is somewhat surprising. The hosts have their say. They also highlight a couple spicy collaborations, but are divided on one of them. We also speak with Lexy Prosszer, an investment principal at U.K.-based venture capital firm Btomorrow Ventures, which is focused on investments in innovative, functional brands.
Show notes:
0:25: Who Bailed Mike Out? Elektra x Nosh. Scary Deal. A Wonky Pad. Where’s My Order? Keep Crunching. – Mike made it out of the can in time for a big announcement about Nosh Live Winter 2024 and a deadline that won’t be extended. The hosts discuss KDP’s acquisition of Ghost Lifestyle and how it relates to the evolution of the energy drink category. They also pine for an LTO that pairs sprouted almonds and chili crunch but butt heads when it comes to a pickle juice-infused bloody mary mix. Mike recalls meetings and drinks with U.K-based entrepreneurs before he, Ray and John snack on “transportive” pecans and a holiday-inspired snack that your bubbe would love.
39:03: Interview: Lexy Prosszer, Investment Principal, Btomorrow Ventures – Ray sat down with Lexy during Taste Radio’s meetup at the Trip office in London, where she discussed Btomorrow Ventures’ investment strategy, how she assesses a brand’s potential for international distribution and success, and whether global trends influence how she evaluates brands.
Brands in this episode: Moment, HOP WTR, Once Upon A Farm, Ghost, Celsius, Bang, Red Bull, Monster, C4, A Shoc, Rao’s, Coca-Cola, V8, Grillo’s, Ithaca Hummus, Fresca, Simply, Dash, Chili Maven, Living Things, Xoxo, Olipop, Poppi, Hiphop, Feisty Soda, Daily Crunch, Fly By Jing, Cleveland Kitchen, Karma Nuts/Cookies, Pulpito, Wanderlands, Knack Snacks, Babo’s Kitchen, S’Noods
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Ben Branson is not the kind of person you’d find at a cocktail party. In fact, he loathes socializing. And, yet, he’s deeply invested in its future.
Ben is best known as the founder of Seedlip, the pioneering nonalcoholic spirit brand that was at the forefront of the now burgeoning category of zero proof beverages.
In 2019, Ben sold a majority stake of Seedlip to beverage alcohol conglomerate Diageo, which, at the time, described the brand as “a global drinks giant of the future.”
While Ben is still a shareholder in Seedlip and continues to operate as part of its team, he’s set his sights on the next stage of development for non-alcoholic beverages and cocktails via a new venture called Pollen Projects.
The U.K.-based company introduced two brands this year: Seasn, which markets premium cocktail bitters designed to be “the salt & pepper for drinks”; and Sylva, an innovative take on dark non-alcoholic spirits.
Both brands are the heart of Ben’s mission to shape “the second wave of moderation,” helping people to drink and, in turn, socialize better.
In the following interview, I spoke with Ben about his perspective on an evolving market for non-alcoholic beverages and his roles as both godfather and innovator, why he’s not trying to supplant legacy spirits and why he’s betting big on an unusual sourcing and production model.
Show notes:
0:35: Ben Branson, Founder, Seedlip & Pollen Projects - Ben recalls his first appearance on Taste Radio in 2018 and reflects on his 11-year career in non-alcoholic spirits, including why he hated the first six months building Seedlip and what is motivating his work with Pollen Projects. He also explains why he doesn’t feel any “external pressure” as leader of the non-alcoholic category, but why he’s concerned about brands delivering the quality and flavors that consumers are expecting and how his success with Seedlip has made it somewhat easier to develop new brands. Ben also shares his perspective on legacy beverage alcohol brands launching zero-proof versions, common attributes among “the best” non-alcoholic brands and why some brands “are going to suffer.” He also talks about why he’s constantly focused on the future of socializing even though he describes himself as “unsocial.” Ben also discusses the creation and business strategy of Sylva, his unique approach to ingredients and sourcing and why he chose to market the NA dark spirits brand via a subscription model and how he evaluates investors and new funding opportunities.
Brands in this episode: Seedlip, Season, Sylva, RXBAR, David
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It turns out that superheroes and ‘saints’ enjoy beer and cocktails, particularly when the libations are of the non-alcoholic variety.
The hosts chat about actor Tom Holland’s foray into CPG with NA beer Bero, before riffing on an enlightening collaboration between an up-and-coming wine company and personal care brand. We also feature an interview with Megan Klein, the founder and CEO of Little Saints, an innovative brand of non-alcoholic cocktails infused with functional mushrooms, who recently appeared on “Shark Tank.”
Little Saints markets several canned cocktails, including a Paloma, Negroni Spritz, Ginger Mule and Spicy Margarita, and also sells a mezcal-inspired spirit called St. Ember. While the products are primarily sold direct-to-consumer, the brand is carried nationally at Sprouts and rapidly expanding distribution at other retail chains.
Show notes:
0:25: It’s A Wrap. Save Money & Be The Best. Gold, Tom. Red Wine, White Teeth. Swiss Bourbon. Pita & Garlic. – Ray ties a bow on the hosts' recent visit to London and the hosts collectively encourage listeners to save money by registering for our Winter events TODAY and also nominate brands, people and products for our annual awards. They also comment on a handful of collaborations, including one between McBride Sisters wine and Colgate(!), a bourbon flavored by a well-known cocoa brand and a sparkling beverage company that’s working with a lauded baking partner. The hosts also share their take on Koia’s new kids’ drinks, spicy delights from a British brand with Mexican roots, low- and non-alcoholic spirits, and a new line of restaurant-style pita chips that pair perfectly with a new garlic-y condiment (just ask John).
32:59: Interview: Megan Klein, Founder & CEO, Little Saints – Megan discusses how her personal interest in better-for-you adult libations led to the creation of Little Saints. She also speaks about the brand’s unorthodox social media strategy, why dropping CBD from the products had a big impact on sales, why the company invests heavily in Meta ads, how Little Saints navigated a controversial issue and how she prepared for an appearance on the ABC business competition show “Shark Tank.”
Brands in this episode: Little Saints, Trip, Cano Water, MUYU, Bero, McBride Sisters, Swiss Miss, Hotel Tango, Aura Bora, Magnolia Bakery, Koia, Chili Maven, Allora, Quarter Proof, Climbing Kites, Outrageous, Issa’s, Momofuku
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Biena was at a crossroads.
Five years ago, the brand’s popular roasted chickpeas were widely distributed at natural and conventional grocery chains, including Walmart, Whole Foods and Target, and the brand was making significant headway in travel retail stores. That year, Biena also completed an $8 million Series B funding round and launched an innovative line of chickpea puffs that helped establish the company as a snacking platform.
The pandemic, however, forced founder Poorvi Patodia to adjust its growth strategy. Biena was faced with declining margins and retail channels that were once promising but now unprofitable. Patodia had to make, in her words, “risky decisions.”
Biena may have changed course, but its focus on financial fundamentals and mainstream consumer appeal helped the brand remain on a sustainable and long-term growth path.
In this episode, Poorvi talks about how Biena navigated the challenging period and how a “build to win” philosophy influenced key decisions during the process. She also defines and explains the value of “true differentiation,” why the company is pursuing a dual platform strategy and shares her take on when founders should raise capital and how to identify distributors with aligned values.
Show notes:
0:35: Poorvi Patodia, Founder & CEO, Biena — Poorvi talks about judging a pitch slam hosted by Naturally New England, Biena’s unexpected appearance in a Kristen Bell-led TV show, and why her family keeps her grounded amid the pressures of operating a food business. She also offers her take on PepsiCo’s acquisition of Siete and how differentiated brand attributes and mainstream appeal have been key to its success. Poorvi also discusses why Biena re-evaluated every approach and strategy associated with the business during a challenging time for the brand, the data and consumer insights that informed a new platform strategy, and why the company’s chip line is focused on functionality and calories versus ingredients. She also explains the importance of testing and learning in small ways, having enough cash on hand and why founders shouldn’t worry about margin when choosing a distribution partner.
Brands in this episode: Biena, Siete, RXBAR, David
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How do U.K. CPG brands compare to their U.S. counterparts? How do the two markets differ? On the ground in London, the hosts discuss their experience at last week’s Cheers! The Drinks Summit event and highlight innovative snacks and beverages they encountered at visits to local retail chains and specialty stores.
Show notes:
0:25: What Day Is It? Possessive Peeve. Jacqui x Ox Heart. Club Soda. Irony, Sir. Magnesium FTW. Cosmo John. The Nuances & Inspiration. – Jet lag and full days make the hosts bleary-eyed, but they are somehow upbeat and alert. Ray questions the name of a well-known U.K.-based grocery retailers before the hosts discuss notable drink brands and categories, including non-alcoholic analogs, magnesium waters, bottle soups and gut-health sodas. They also talk about the bustling Taste Radio meetup at The Lucky Saint pub and what U.S. brand owners can glean from business strategies of U.K.-based founders. The hosts also talk about BevNET’s upcoming live events and why “Ray Latif Live” is in the works.
Brands in this episode: Trip, Quorn, Moju, Innocent Drinks, ISH, The Root Co., Vacay, OHMG, Better You, Bonbuz, Ghia, Little Saints, De Soi, Kettle & Fire, Re:Nourish, Brink, Whitebox Cocktails, Olipop, Poppi, Living Things, Minor Figures, Fibe, Belly Dance, Feisty Soda, Barcode, Lucky Saint, Dash Water, Doughlicious, Buff Bake, Knack-Snacks
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How do you top a $600 million exit? If you’re Peter Rahal, you aim for one that’s four times bigger. Anything less, he says, would be a failure.
Peter is one of the co-founders of RXBAR, a platform brand of clean ingredient protein snacks created in 2013. Four years after the brand’s debut, it was acquired by Kellogg for the aforementioned nine figure sum.
Earlier this year, Peter launched David, which is positioned as “a rigorously perfected protein bar.” Each bar contains 28g protein, 150 calories, and 0g sugar and is described as containing the most protein per calorie of any brand in the bar category. The products are sold direct-to-consumer for $15 for a 4-pack of each flavor, which include Blueberry Pie, Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough, Double Fudge Brownie, and Cake Batter.
In August the company announced a $10 million seed funding round, led by Peter and including Valor Siren Ventures along with longevity expert and bestselling author Dr. Peter Attia and Stanford neuroscientist and podcast host Andrew Huberman.
In an interview framed as a series of true or false questions, Peter discusses his obsessive work ethic and leadership style and reflects on the business strategy and decisions that helped RXBAR scale rapidly, including the impact of investing in high quality packaging design and customer service. He talks about how to create “the best business strategy” and what he means when he says that happiness is “irrelevant.”
Show notes:
0:35: Peter Rahal, Co-Founder, RXBAR & David – Peter explains why, despite having an introverted personality, he tries to be visible and accessible as a founder, whether he’s become comfortable with success and why he doesn’t necessarily believe that RXBAR’s success has to do with time and place. He also discusses his disdain for vacations, why he’s a proponent of “servant leadership,” why great packaging is the best form of marketing and why investment in customer service will always pay off. Peter also talks about why founders should strive to create accessible and affordable food and why they have to place a target on the bestselling brand in their brand’s category and why his investment strategy hinges on a founder’s tenacity and mindset.
Brands in this episode: RXBAR, David
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With Taste Radio’s London meetups on the horizon, the hosts have their say on trendy brands, new products and the coming crush of seasonal LTOs. They share their respective takes on David, the high-profile protein bar brand launched by RXBAR co-founder Peter Rahal and whether decaf coffee is about to take off. They also get giddy about green cocktails and a record-breaking advent calendar.
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0:25: A “Man Cold”? An English Itinerary. Let’s Eat David. Welcome Back, Pop. TUR-meric. Jacqui’s X-Mas Gift. – John is recovering from a sniffle, but still well enough to take a cross-country day trip. Ray gives a rundown of the hosts’ London plans. The Newton crew samples David bars and everyone weighs in on the brand’s positioning and potential. Ray congratulates an industry veteran on a “perfect” gig before Mike talks about a turmeric-centric beverage brand and its upcoming package refresh. Jacqui digs on caffeine-free coffee and coffee alternatives and John breaks out an unusual RTD cocktail, while Ray praises Straightaway Cocktails’ latest opus.
Brands in this episode: Lucky Saint, Trip, Dash, Doughlicious, David, RXBAR, Lemon Perfect, Vita Coco, Jagermeister, Red Bull, Golden Tiger, BodyArmor, Celsius, Olipop, Mud/Wtr, Ryze, Cuppa, Explorer Cold Brew, Gardenista, Nurri, Fancypants, Straightaway Cocktails
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For the first 65 years of its existence, Maker’s Mark had no innovation department.
The legacy whiskey brand, known for its red wax coated bottle necks and premium, yet approachable, bourbon, had long focused on quality and consistency in favor of new product development.
The spirits industry, however, is evolving. Consumers are placing greater value on innovative concepts and embracing creative offerings. Meanwhile, Gen Z drinkers are consuming less alcohol than previous generations, but also emphasizing premium experiences when they imbibe.
To meet the demands of equally important consumer groups – loyal Maker’s Mark customers and modern drinkers new to the brand – the company tasked Beth Buckner, the brand’s senior manager of innovation and blending, and Blake Layfield, its senior director and head of innovation, blending and quality, with the stewardship of the bourbon’s coveted taste profile and creation of products that will attract novel interest.
We sat down with Beth and Blake for an interview that explores their roles and responsibilities and how the standards set by Maker’s Mark founder Bill Samuels, Sr. are integral to new product development. As part of our conversation, they discuss a common misconception about science and spirits, how a “taste vision” is the foundation for everything they do at Maker’s Mark and why they eschew trendy concepts in favor of nuanced expressions of the bourbon.
Show notes:
0:35: Beth Buckner and Blake Layfield, Maker’s Mark – Beth and Blake talk about their respective educations and work at Maker’s Mark and how they align the chemistry of distillation and aging with the subjective and sensorial aspects of producing bourbon. They also discuss how the distillery’s “taste vision” influences their work as product developers and quality control professionals and how much latitude they give themselves if and when they want to veer slightly away from that vision. Beth and Blake also explain where they draw inspiration from; how they are empowered to innovate while incorporating the perspective of the distilling, marketing and sales teams; how trends and consumer behavior factor into their purview and how they are making their own mark at Maker’s Mark.
Brands in this episode: Maker’s Mark, Jack Daniel’s, Coca-Cola
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What is the impact of PepsiCo’s $1.2 billion acquisition of Siete Foods on emerging food and beverage brands? Will the deal entice investors to make more bets on new and innovative concepts? Will everyday Americans benefit from the deal? Lots of questions, and the hosts answer them all.
They also discuss upcoming Taste Radio meetups in London (and how to register for them), a budding partnership between nutritional supplement brand AG1 and Starbucks and sample several new products, including an olive-oil-infused granola, royally-named pretzel bites and “super” non-alcoholic aperitivo.
Show notes:
0:25: Ray’s Intro Voice. What A Trip. Siete Stuns. Haters Be Gone. Green Juice, Redux. King Me. Good To See You Peepal. – The episode opens with a misunderstanding about the U.K and Great Britain and an invitation to our English- and European-based friends and colleagues. The hosts also dive into the PepsiCo/Siete deal and why most are praising the soda and snack giant’s acquisition of the Mexican-American food brand, while others are greeting the news with a mild amount of skepticism. They also unpack Starbucks’ test of AG1-infused beverages, and sample a Graza/RIND collaboration, an NYC classic made for modern times, a 70’s themed drink and a coffee made for active consumers.
Brands in this episode: Trip, Dash, King's Hawaiian, Casamara Club Superclasico, RIND, Graza, Aura Bora, Throne Sport Coffee, Peepal People
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Jeff Church knows the highs and lows of brand-building like few do.
A serial entrepreneur, Jeff co-founded cold-pressed juice pioneer Suja and led its development to a $100 million brand. Jeff also lost over $4 million of his own money in Rowdy Energy, a now defunct energy drink challenger he co-founded with NASCAR driver Kyle Busch.
Jeff’s experience and perspective on how brands succeed – and the reason they don’t – is why we asked him to join us for a live interview as part of an industry networking event in San Diego hosted by BevNET and Taste Radio on Sept. 25.
As part of an expansive conversation, Jeff spoke about how he navigated Suja’s early development and rapid growth and what he believes was the most impactful decision in determining the brand’s success. He also discussed the failure of Rowdy Energy, which launched in 2020 and shut down less than four years later.
Jeff, who currently leads an accelerator program for emerging brands, also shared his take on the current landscape for early-stage food and beverage companies, weighing in on the value of innovation, high quality package design, profitability and staffing.
Show notes:
0:35: Jeff Church, Co-Founder & Former CEO, Suja – Jeff chats about his background in the beverage industry and why he has focused on building and working with startups. He also talks about the most challenging aspect of operating a food or beverage brand in the first two years of its development, why it’s critical to “over communicate” with family members about the hardships of entrepreneurship and why he crafts a business strategy by “starting from where you want to get to and working backwards.” He also talks about how skill sets of a brand founder are significantly different from that of a brand manager and why he encourages a “fake it till you make it” mindset. Jeff also discusses the problems that led to Rowdy Energy’s demise and why he believes that success is 25% luck and timing, before he answers a series of true or false questions related to early-stage entrepreneurship.
Brands in this episode: Suja, Rowdy Energy, Blueprint, Evolution Fresh, Pop & Bottle
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The gang’s all here… in San Diego. The hosts convene at BevNET’s west coast office where they talk about how Fly By Jing nailed its foray into a popular food category and also highlight the debut of a convenient ethnic comfort food brand and Olipop’s upgrade on a legacy soda flavor.
Show notes:
0:25: “You Know Things.” Saucy Stains. - Jacqui kicks things off with her favorite daily affirmations, before Mike explains why food prep got the best of his outfit. The hosts fork and slurp Fly By Jing’s new chili crisp noodles and John explains why he is particularly impressed with the brand extension. They also sip on and praise a new instant matzo ball soup and follow up with a sampling of a better-for-you soda in the style of Mountain Dew. Ray highlights a recently announced speaker at the upcoming NOSH Live event in December and talks about its sister shows, BevNET Live and Brewbound Live, before the hosts discuss a new job for a prominent Linkedin personality.
Brands in this episode: Fly By Jing, immi, Omsom, Olipop, Nooish, Mountain Dew, Chobani, Avvika, Aloha, Iwon Organic
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How do you convince investors to bet over $100 million on your innovative beverage company? If you’re Matt Roberts, you start by making them a great cup of coffee.
Matt is the founder of Cometeer Coffee, which markets innovative frozen coffee capsules crafted using premium coffee beans sourced from leading specialty roasters. The single-serve capsules can be used to make hot or cold coffee, and are produced using a proprietary process in which fresh beans are ground, brewed and flash-frozen to preserve flavors and aromas.
Launched in 2015, Cometeer was developed in partnership with coffee industry legend George Howell, who believes that the brand "will do for coffee what the bottle did for wine." He’s not alone in his lofty expectations for the Massachusetts-based company, which has raised venture capital funding from coffee and tech heavyweights, including the founder of Keurig Green Mountain, the former president of Nespresso and lead investors in Blue Bottle Coffee, among others.
Cometeer has built a thriving direct-to-consumer business and is gradually expanding distribution to brick-and-mortar retailers. The brand is currently available in over 500 stores nationwide including Sprouts, Central Market, New Season, and Gelson's.
In the following interview, I spoke with Matt about how he identified the opportunity to disrupt the instant coffee category by delivering a high quality drinking experience, how Cometeer has crafted an effective consumer education strategy and how his constant desire to learn more has helped him become a better leader.
Show notes:
0:35: Matt Roberts, Founder & CEO, Cometeer Coffee – Matt chats about growing up and launching Cometeer in Massachusetts, why the company is based in Gloucester and the city’s history as “Freezetown USA.” He also talks about the science and process behind Cometeer and why “brew tech” is the company’s stock in trade, what he considers to be the company’s “moat” and who its’ primary competitors are, and gives a brief, but informative, explanation as to how the company captures and preserves coffee at its peak form. He also discusses how scientific validation of the company’s processing methods attracted tech and consumer brand investors, why education and trial remains Cometeer’s biggest challenge, and its plans to create a mainstream offering. Matt also talks about Cometeer’s relationship with roasting partners and coffee farmers, why he’s bullish on climate-resistant coffee crops, how “the extended coffee TED talk” and the success of Nespresso have been effective in attracting new investors and how he talks to them about potential M&A deals, and how podcasts (like this one) have been instrumental in his personal education about business and leadership.
Brands in this episode: Cometeer Coffee, Blue Bottle, George Howell, Starbucks, Dunkin Donuts, James Hoffman, Onyx Coffee, Nespresso
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When worlds collide, do consumers benefit? The hosts weigh in on Lunchly, the much hyped new Lunchables competitor launched by uber influencers and entrepreneurs Mr. Beast, Logan Paul and KSI. They also highlight unusual collaborations between fashion and consumer brands, and reach for healthy soups and shots.
Show notes:
0:25: LOUIE-ville? Church Time. The Kids Are Not Alright. Breakfast Totes. Maker’s Mahk. The Perfect Collab. – Ray returns from Kentucky and gets schooled at home, before the hosts highlight the Taste Radio Meetup on September 25 and an interview with serial entrepreneur Jeff Church at the event. They then turn their attention to Lunchly and whether the brand’s positioning as a healthier alternative to Lunchables holds water. Ray also reports on his experience visiting the Maker’s Mark distillery and the launch of the bourbon brand’s new cellar aged expression; Jacqui praises Heyday’s new soups; and the Newton-based hosts munch on a new line of crunchy, spicy cookies and sip on cold-pressed juice shots and guayusa-infused energy drinks.
Brands in this episode: Suja, Lunchly, Prime, Feastables, Jimmy Dean, Klondike, Good Humor, Popsicle, Maker’s Mark, Momofuku, Sunnie, Lunchables, Milk Bar, Momofuku, Heyday Canning, Sofresco, Ability Energy
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Kaveh Zamanian is a cool customer.
The founder of Rabbit Hole Distillery, Kaveh’s relaxed personality is immediately apparent. That’s not to say that he hasn’t felt the anxiety and strain of building a brand. As he tells it, Kaveh had spent many nights on his knees “praying to whoever would listen” that his vision for Rabbit Hole would come to fruition.
A former clinical psychologist, Kaveh launched Rabbit Hole in 2012. The distillery’s name is derived from Kaveh’s “passionate descent into the practice of distilling fine spirits,” specifically rye and bourbon. The whiskey is produced in small batches at Rabbit Hole’s state-of-the-art 55,000-square-foot distillery in Louisville, Kentucky, and presented in four core expressions along with the brand’s innovative Founder’s Collection series.
In 2019, French spirits giant Pernod Ricard acquired a majority stake in Rabbit Hole for an undisclosed price. The deal accelerated the brand’s U.S. distribution and helped it expand internationally. Kaveh has continued to helm Rabbit Hole and added a new title – Chief Whiskey Officer at Pernod – in the process.
In this episode, Kaveh talks about how his passion for whiskey became an entrepreneurial journey, how he assembled a team of industry veterans early into the development of the company and why he credits a strong support network as key to his career transition. He also talks about pitching 1,000 investors over the course of two years and how he got 110 to say “yes,” and his current work developing new products and brands, including Mary Dowling Bourbon and Mash & Mallow Whiskey.
Show notes:
0:35: Kaveh Zamanian, Founder, Rabbit Hole Distillery – Kaveh speaks with Taste Radio editor Ray Latif about the Nulu neighborhood of Louisville, where Rabbit Hole is based, the construction and capacity of of its distillery and how his love of wine impacted his foray into whiskey. Kaveh also talks about the bourbon industry’s renaissance over the past decade and how distilling talent, if not funding, was plentiful; why he felt it was important to maintain his job in psychology early into the development of Rabbit Hole; and why he credits a strong support network as key to his career transition. He also explains why building a facility that matched his ambition was critical to his vision for Rabbit Hole, how the company forecasted demand and its capacity for contracting distilling and how he convinced investors with no experience in the spirits industry to back the company. Kaveh also talks about managing anxiety, the key elements of Rabbit Hole’s brand architecture, how he considered an exit strategy while building the company and which decisions he regrets most over the past decade.
Brands in this episode: Rabbit Hole Distillery, Maker’s Mark, Woodford Reserve, Wild Turkey, Nantucket Nectars, Culture Pop, Bardstown Bourbon
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It’s another drag for canna-brands. The hosts discuss an emergency regulation in California that would remove food and beverage brands containing hemp-derived THC from stores in the state. They also wonder about the runway for a trendy flavor and highlight several new and unusual products.
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0:25: Wine Under A Bridge. London Via San Diego. Explosive Ranch. Is It 1991? Dumplings & Drinks. – We get a debrief from John on his adventures in Copenhagen including sipping natural wine in a rather odd location and perhaps a bit of buyer‘s remorse. The hosts discuss their upcoming travel to California and England and invite listeners to meet up in both places. They also talk about everything bagel seasoning’s 15 minutes of fame and present ranch dressing in a less-than-pleasant light. Mike gets mad about Governor Newsom’s recent regulation and John breaks down the impact of the politician’s actions. They also chat about Ghia’s latest opus, a spicy ramen collaboration and a unique RTD latte.
Brands in this episode: The Laughing Cow, Coffeemate, Foodware, Ghia, Bonbuz, Little Saints, Dixie Grace’s Boiled Peanuts, Bezi, A-Sha, Laurel’s, Magna
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At one point during our conversation with Four Sigmatic founder and CEO Tero Isokauppila, he recounts a story about playing golf with the CEO of a large and well-known U.S. retailer. The executive told Tero that Four Sigmatic wouldn’t be successful because of its esoteric brand name.
It’s fair to say that the CEO underestimated the trailblazing company.
Founded in 2012, Four Sigmatic pioneered the now thriving category of mushroom-centric food and beverages. The brand markets a platform of organic ground coffee, protein powders, creamers and supplements that are infused with functional fungi, including reishi, lion’s mane and chaga.
Four Sigmatic’s flagship mushroom coffee is the leading ground coffee on Amazon, and is the anchor for its significant e-commerce business, which represents more than half of its sales. The brand is also represented at major retail chains, including Walmart, Whole Foods, Target, GNC, Albertsons and The Vitamin Shoppe and generates tens of millions of dollars annually.
In this episode, Tero talks about how his personal background as part of the 13th generation of a Finnish farming family influenced his decision to launch Four Sigmatic, navigating an ahead-of-its-time trend, how he overcame “making every mistake a founder can make,” and how the company aligns category insights and innovation.
Show notes:
0:35: Tero Isokauppila, Founder & CEO, Four Sigmatic – Tero and Ray kick things off with a brief chat about Kalsarikännit, a Finnish word with a very strange definition, before the entrepreneur talks about his family’s farm, the reason why children generally avoid mushrooms and whether “sigma” will show up more often in Four Sigmatic social posts. Tero also explains how his parents’ professions influenced his education and created a foundation for his foray into entrepreneurship, why he says “mushrooms chose me,” and how Four Sigmatic addresses consumer skepticism about fungi. He also talks about how the company planned and participated in sampling demos and events early into its development, the impact of sponsoring podcasts in the development of the brand, and how a boom in mushroom-infused food and beverages has affected awareness and misinformation about functional mushrooms. Tero also discusses the evolution of Four Sigmatic’s package design and why the brand emphasizes functionality more than it has in the past, why he doesn’t believe that great packaging is an indicator of potential success for early-stage brands, and why he views his brand’s name as “part of our journey.” He also talks about Four Sigmatic’s success on e-commerce and why the company needs to evaluate its strategy every 6-12 months, his perspective on investing time and resources on Amazon vs. DTC, why he advises new entrepreneurs that when it comes to product development “just do the one thing,” and why he describes category management as “both an art and a science.” Tero also explains how Amazon and Whole Foods are creating a synergistic omnichannel platform and talks about his funding strategy as an angel investor and how price and taste influence his perspective.
Brands in this episode: Four Sigmatic, Annie’s, Once Upon A Farm
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