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With a Christmas release day of The TRU Leader Podcast, Michelle and Tracy share their holiday traditions, reflecting on family gatherings and gratitude. They discuss their new book, "Polarity Intelligence: The Missing Logic in Leadership", which promotes a shift from an either/or mindset to a both/and approach for adaptability in leadership. They also highlight the success of their Polarity Intelligence Foundations for Leaders Program and the growth of The TRU Leader Podcast, which focuses on balance, personal growth, and leadership development.
Tracy and Michelle reflect on their journey, mentioning recent opportunities like their presentation on Polarity Intelligence at the Brave Enough 2024 Conference. They emphasize the importance of recognizing aligned opportunities, managing resistance, and fostering personal growth. They share positive feedback from participants in their mastermind group, which supports leaders in personal and professional breakthroughs. Looking ahead, they are launching a new mastermind for leaders, expressing gratitude to their listeners and excitement for future projects.
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In this episode of The TRU Leader Podcast, Michelle and Tracy are joined by Dr. Mari Tietze and Steve Love, Deb Rio and Mike Edwards, and their husbands- Kevin Moore and Jerry Christopherson and to explore the transformative impact of the Breakthrough Year Mastermind program on personal and relational growth. Through in-person and virtual retreats featuring meditation, journaling, and education, the mastermind fosters deep connections and meaningful self-discovery. Mari and Deb share how the program has boosted their self-esteem and work-life balance, with their husbands’ support playing a vital role in their journey. Steve and Mike reflect on the positive changes in their wives, attributing much of the growth to the leadership group’s influence.
The conversation highlights the value of shared activities, like Enneagram sessions, in strengthening relationships and understanding. Tracy and Michelle’s mindful coaching style and dynamic energy are praised for creating a supportive and uplifting environment that blends laughter with learning. Their book, "Polarity Intelligence: The Missing Logic and Leadership" is also recognized as a key resource for participants' personal growth and happiness. Themes of balance, partnership, and polarity intelligence are emphasized as essential tools for fostering stronger relationships and greater joy in life.
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In this week’s episode of The TRU Leader Podcast, we delve into the topic of community and connection among visionary leaders, distinguishing between having a broad, innovative vision and a personal, goal-oriented vision. Tracy and Michelle discuss the transformative power of collaboration among like-minded individuals, particularly through small groups called masterminds, where leaders support each other in achieving their goals. They highlight how overcoming traditional norms that promote isolation can foster creativity and innovation, using examples of personal milestones achieved through group accountability and encouragement.
Additionally, the episode underscores the benefits of a supportive mastermind community focused on professional growth, collaboration, and mentorship. Regular calls, updates on individual goals, and workshops balance personal aspirations with team dynamics, promoting effective communication and resource sharing for larger-scale change. Tracy and Michelle’s Breakthrough Year Mastermind program is now open to new participants, aiming for diversity and mutual support, with limited seats available through an application process. Overall, effective leadership is portrayed as being rooted in building connections and leveraging collective wisdom to drive progress and resilience. Tune in today!
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In this episode of The TRU Leader Podcast, special guest Laurie Sudbrink joins us in an in-depth conversation on her GRIT® framework from her book "LEADING with GRIT", which focuses on the key leadership values of Generosity, Respect, Integrity, and Truth. She emphasizes how each component contributes to effective leadership, with generosity fostering an abundance mindset, respect beginning with self-care, integrity keeping leaders true to their values, and truth creating trust and personal growth. Laurie also introduces a self-assessment tool to help leaders evaluate their attributes related to GRIT, encouraging self-awareness and authentic leadership.
The discussion explores Laurie’s five-step methodology for sustainable change—self-awareness, desire, knowledge, action, and perseverance—highlighting the role of accountability and the need for direct communication. The episode stresses the importance of ongoing self-reflection, transparency, and personal development for leadership success. Tune in now!
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In this episode of The TRU Leader Podcast, hosts Michelle and Tracy explore the concept of Thriving, Resilient, and Unstoppable (TRU) leadership, emphasizing the importance of resilient leaders for the success of organizations, communities, and families. They stress the need for leaders to reassess ingrained norms and limiting beliefs, which often lead to burnout, highlighting how the misconception that hard work alone guarantees success can be detrimental. Drawing on Maslow’s hierarchy of needs, the discussion reveals that many leaders operate at basic survival levels, struggling to meet their own needs in a complex environment. Emotional connections and relationships are underscored as essential for leadership success, with self-actualization being the ultimate goal for TRU leaders.
The episode delves into key strategies for leadership development, focusing on balancing professional achievements with personal fulfillment. Mentorship is framed around managing four core polarities: work-life balance, self-care, rest, and maintaining relationships. To help leaders achieve their goals, the podcast introduces a dynamic balance plan that includes setting boundaries, calendar blocking, and prioritization. Finally, the concept of “being it first” encourages leaders to embody resilience and leadership qualities before taking action, helping them overcome fears and limiting beliefs to thrive both professionally and personally. Tune in now!
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In this episode of The TRU Leader Podcast, special guest Bonnie Artman Fox tells us about her career journey from oncology nursing to becoming a licensed marriage and family therapist, emphasizing the importance of family dynamics in both addiction recovery and leadership. In her book, *How Did My Family Get in My Office?*, Bonnie explores how early life experiences shape professional behaviors, particularly for leaders with abrasive interpersonal skills. Her transition into leadership coaching highlights the value of self-awareness, linking family dynamics to workplace conflicts and illustrating how mentorship and therapy helped her grow emotionally and professionally.
The book introduces the “4 R’s of resolution” framework, which focuses on acknowledging emotional wounds, taking responsibility for past behaviors, maintaining respect and boundaries in difficult relationships, and fostering continuous personal growth. Bonnie’s personal stories, along with real-world examples, show how self-awareness, emotional intelligence, and empathy can improve both leadership effectiveness and interpersonal dynamics. By managing polarities and understanding the impact of upbringing, leaders can foster healthier work environments, balancing candor and kindness in their interactions. Tune in today!
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In this episode of The TRU Leader podcast, hosts Michelle and Tracy discuss the pervasive nature of stress in leadership and its impact on well-being. The episode delves into the general adaptation syndrome, which outlines the body’s response to prolonged stress in three stages—alarm, resistance, and exhaustion. They explore stress management strategies to prevent burnout, drawing from Michelle’s personal experience with stress-induced vision problems. The conversation highlights the concept of "microstressors," subtle but persistent stress factors that can accumulate and lead to significant emotional tolls. Citing research by Rob Cross and Karen Dillon, they emphasize that high achievers often face unique stressors, such as managing both work and family responsibilities.
The hosts challenge common leadership norms that create undue pressure, such as the need for certainty and avoidance of vulnerability, and propose healthier leadership practices. They introduce a stress continuum model to help leaders gauge their stress levels, along with having a polarity mindset to balance competing values like self-care and caring for others. Leadership is likened to a marathon, requiring both endurance and recovery. The episode also encourages proactive strategies like open communication, prioritization, and mindfulness.
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This week on The TRU Leader Podcast, we're joined by Cathy Carroll, author and a third-generation leader in her family's business. Cathy shares her journey and insights from her book *Hug of War: How to Lead a Family Business with Both Love and Logic*. After two decades in corporate roles, Cathy returned to the family business, encountering tensions between her profit-driven approach and her father’s investment-focused mindset. The narrative explores the complexities of managing familial relationships alongside business operations, particularly during generational transitions that often lead to conflict due to differing values. Non-family executives also face challenges, exemplified by a COO who felt demoted because of family-driven decisions. Emotional intelligence is highlighted as key to balancing personal relationships and professional responsibilities.
Cathy underscores the importance of understanding family dynamics, balancing long-term goals with adaptability, and navigating polarities like tradition and innovation. Governance and succession planning in family businesses require unique approaches, balancing set criteria with flexibility for unexpected talent. Polarity thinking is introduced as a method for managing conflicts by holding opposing truths simultaneously, such as investment and profit harvesting and privileges and responsibilities. Cathy emphasizes that recognizing these polarities and differing perspectives is essential for improving the overall functioning of family-owned businesses, particularly during leadership transitions.
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This week on The TRU Leader Podcast, Tracy and Michelle discuss the growing importance of empathetic leadership, especially in the post-pandemic workplace. The dynamic duo explores how the pandemic has increased stress and mental health issues among employees, making empathy in leadership more crucial than ever. They note that the new generation of workers values leadership that prioritizes their well-being and happiness, and research shows that empathetic leadership improves employee engagement and fosters healthier work environments with better work-life balance.
The episode explains that empathetic leadership involves understanding and connecting with employees' needs and emotions, strengthening workplace relationships and overall performance. Traditionally, leadership focused on productivity rather than relationships, often discouraging empathy. However, there's a growing recognition of the importance of relationships within organizations, leading to a shift towards empathetic leadership practices that positively influence workplace culture. If you’re looking for ways to create a balanced work-life culture as a leader, this is one episode you shouldn’t miss. Tune in now!
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In this episode of The TRU Leader Podcast, special guest Leslie Galloway discusses her transition from a corporate vice president to founding her own coaching business in 2020. She highlights the importance of authentic leadership and overcoming limiting beliefs for personal and professional growth. Journaling is recommended as a tool to clarify these beliefs, helping individuals navigate the discomfort of uncovering deep-rooted issues and fostering self-trust. The episode underscores the value of honesty and curiosity in both coaching and leadership, advocating for a mindset that prioritizes asking questions over having all the answers. This approach not only improves relationships but also enhances empathy, creativity, and innovation.
The discussion also touches on the significance of self-awareness and understanding diverse leadership styles to prevent conflicts and improve collaboration. An Accenture study is referenced, linking self-awareness to business success, and the importance of balancing team roles, such as visionaries and integrators, is emphasized. Effective communication is key to navigating tensions within teams and fostering healthy business partnerships. Don’t miss this insightful episode on innovation and relationships. Tune in now!
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In this episode of The TRU Leader Podcast, Tracy and Michelle explore the challenges of leading in a rapidly changing world, shaped by technological advancements and disruptions like the COVID-19 pandemic. They critique traditional leadership models, particularly Lewin’s 1950s change model, as inadequate for today’s VUCA (Volatility, Uncertainty, Complexity, Ambiguity) environment. Instead, they advocate for a continuous evolution approach, emphasizing the need for an agile mindset, high aspirations to clarify purpose, and integrating transformation into regular operations to maintain accountability and progress.
The hosts highlight the importance of ongoing evaluation and adaptability in leveraging polarities as well as problem-solving, advocating for a shift away from one-time solutions to continuous transformation. They discuss the significance of meaningful dialogue, healthy relationships, and shared ownership within organizations, supported by principles from Jim Collins and Porus's "Built to Last." The episode also stresses the need for balancing structure and flexibility through diverse organizational councils, long-term and short-term planning, and engaging diverse insights in decision-making. For small business owners and entrepreneurs, the discussion emphasizes the importance of regular check-ins, goal setting, and after-action reviews to maintain agility and ensure alignment with core values.
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This week on The TRU Leader Podcast, Greg Bennick joins us as he talks about his book, "Reclaim the Moment: 7 Strategies to Build a Better Now," which offers practical advice for achieving clarity and focus in a world filled with distractions. Greg emphasizes the importance of self-centering and understanding one's actions to prevent burnout and maintain meaningful connections. One key strategy involves fostering positive beliefs about others’ intentions, which can help combat pessimism and alleviate feelings of being overwhelmed. Using a juggling metaphor, Bennick illustrates the necessity of concentrating on critical tasks while managing distractions, and highlights how incorporating laughter can make work more enjoyable.
Greg also advocates for intentionality in relationships, encouraging a shift from transactional to transformational interactions where kindness and support lead to mutual growth. This approach enhances both professional and personal relationships by showing how small acts of kindness can transform everyday experiences. Bennick underscores the significance of humor and creativity in teamwork, sharing an exercise that promotes laughter and collaboration through brainstorming fantastical ideas. Through personal anecdotes, he demonstrates how humor can build confidence and connections, even in the face of mistakes. By focusing on the present moment, individuals can create a better future through enriched experiences and deeper relationships. Don’t miss it, tune it now!
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This week on The TRU Leader Podcast, Tracy and Michelle discuss the challenges of balancing leadership responsibilities and personal life on their podcast, urging listeners to reflect on their professional and personal goals. They emphasize the need for leaders to define success on their own terms and adapt to today's volatile world. The hosts stress the importance of self-reflection, including evaluating workplace relationships and personal contributions, as they assert that true success encompasses both career achievements and personal well-being. They identify four key mistakes that leaders often make, such as treating work-life balance as a zero-sum game, which leads to stress and dissatisfaction. They also highlight how crises can foster a victim mentality, driven by norms that prioritize organizational needs over personal ones.
The discussion explores recognizing harmful patterns, reevaluating beliefs, and fostering intentional change to break ineffective cycles. This includes understanding triggers like fear or discomfort in expressing differing opinions, stepping out of comfort zones, setting boundaries, and focusing on managing challenges. The concept of "polarities" is introduced, recognizing interdependent relationships rather than zero-sum scenarios. The hosts emphasize the importance of shifting focus from desired outcomes to acknowledging progress, which fosters a positive mindset and motivation. They also discuss balancing professional responsibilities with personal fulfillment and managing the gap between current reality and future aspirations. To further discuss these themes, listeners are invited to join a free webinar titled “From Stress to Success: The Formula for Leaders to Excel Professionally and Personally” designed to help leaders manage stressors and achieve success.
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In this episode of The TRU Leader Podcast, Tracy and Michelle are joined by Elaine Lin Hering. Together, they talk about Elaine’s book, "Unlearning Silence" which addresses the detrimental effects of self-censorship in workplaces, highlighting the contradiction between the societal expectation to speak up and the unsafe environments that often prevent it. She emphasizes the critical role of leaders in creating safe spaces for open dialogue, advocating for balanced conversations that consider both logical and emotional perspectives. Elaine also stresses the importance of intentional interactions, where everyone's unique insights contribute to genuine dialogue and collective learning.
The episode examines how past experiences with authority shape current communication habits, advocating for the questioning of ingrained assumptions to nurture individuality and voice. It underscores the need for clear communication in relationships, illustrated by a personal anecdote, "toiletgate," and introduces "4 anchors" for effective communication: starting with the why for speaking up, connecting the dots on how we think, articulating support needs, and embracing resistance. The discussion highlights the importance of overcoming outdated beliefs, valuing diverse experiences, combating loneliness, and fostering supportive communities, particularly for marginalized individuals and leaders promoting inclusivity. The narrative also touches on personal growth, the significance of emotional support in relationships, and the value of gratitude and connections.
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In this episode of The TRU Leader Podcast, Tracy and Michelle discuss the rising issue of workplace burnout, emphasizing that both individuals and organizations share the responsibility for alleviating it. They highlight the mental health crisis among workers, citing factors like unsustainable workloads and lack of support, with 76% of US workers experiencing mental health symptoms and 84% attributing these challenges to workplace conditions. The discussion references the Surgeon General’s framework for workplace well-being, which includes protection from harm, connection and community, work-life harmony, mattering at work, and opportunities for growth. These elements address safety, social support, autonomy, dignity, and learning. The episode also stresses the need for leaders to create supportive workplace cultures that prioritize employee well-being, addressing the historical shift from individual to organizational responsibility in maintaining mental health.
The episode highlights societal norms that glorify busyness and overworking, contributing to burnout, and suggests the need to differentiate between problems and polarities, emphasizing systemic changes alongside individual responsibility. Leaders and organizations are key players in addressing burnout, supported by reports from the US Surgeon General and National Academies of Medicine. Balancing individual well-being and organizational support is crucial for a healthy workforce, with positive outcomes like environmental changes, leadership commitment, and a well-being culture. Individuals must also take ownership of their actions to prevent burnout by managing energy between work and home, creating new norms, and developing healthy habits. Leaders should model healthy behaviors and foster a supportive culture by examining work demands, providing flexibility, and involving workers in decisions.
Tracy and Michelle recommend leveraging polarities to combat burnout, mentioning the book “Polarity Intelligence: The Missing Logic in Leadership” as a resource, and concludes with an invitation to a free webinar titled “From Stress to Success: The Formula for Leader to Excel Professionally and Personally” which you can join by registering here: https://www.trainingmissinglogic.com/from-stress-to-success-webinar-1
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This episode of The TRU Leader Podcast highlights Teri Sholder, a former healthcare leader who transitioned to starting her own consulting company focused on performance improvement, emphasizing the importance of maintaining successful processes and understanding the drivers of desired outcomes for sustainability.
Her company assists with strategy implementation for long-term success, and she introduces her book, “Ascent to Excellence, A Blueprint for Health Care Board and Leadership Success,” which offers evidence-based strategies for healthcare board members and leaders to achieve and maintain excellence. The discussion highlights the challenges faced by leaders in sustaining success through leadership changes, emphasizing the need for continuous reinforcement of successful systems and the balance between cost and quality. Leadership commitment, clear communication, and alignment with organizational goals are essential for inspiring trust and success.
The episode outlines five critical elements for effective leadership: commitment and vocalization, data integrity, clinical documentation improvement, workforce engagement, and process optimization. It emphasizes accountability with clear goals aligned with organizational objectives and the necessity of engaging board members in governance. Adequate orientation for board members is crucial, with a simplified approach to presenting information using scorecards to understand goals, metrics, and benchmarks. Understanding polarities such as mission & margin and cost & quality is vital for effective decision-making.
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In this episode of The TRU Leader Podcast, Tracy and Michelle delves into the national crisis of burnout and mental health issues in the workplace, citing a 2022 US Surgeon General report and a Microsoft survey showing high levels of burnout among managers. The pandemic has shifted expectations around work-life balance, with workers seeking more support to avoid overwork. The discussion highlights the VUCA (volatile, uncertain, complex, ambiguous) environment’s demands on staff and the need for empathetic leadership. Traditional leadership norms often involve overworking and sacrificing personal time, which can lead to burnout. Personal anecdotes illustrate the detrimental effects of such norms, emphasizing the need for new leadership practices that prioritize well-being.
The podcast advocates for changing leadership norms to prevent burnout by fostering healthy work cultures and effective priority management. Leaders are encouraged to balance professional and personal lives, leveraging the tension between opposing forces like activity and rest. It stresses the importance of shifting limiting beliefs to more empowering ones and redefining success to include balance and fulfillment. Habit formation, supported by tools like fitness trackers and morning routines, is suggested to make these new norms sustainable.
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This episode of The TRU Leader Podcast follows Christy Pretzinger’s journey from freelancing to becoming the CEO of WG Content. It details her transition to building WriterGirl and her focus on the healthcare sector. Pretzinger emphasizes the importance of kindness in business and creating a positive work culture, drawing from her past experiences in unkind environments. The narrative underscores the significance of company culture, personal development, and self-awareness, highlighting the use of tools like the Enneagram personality typing system to encourage empathy and understanding among employees.
Christy discusses personal experiences related to understanding accounting language and the impact of interpersonal dynamics on professional relationships. She reflects on the importance of setting boundaries to maintain healthy cultures, prevent negative behaviors, and avoid burnout. Additionally, she mentions the upcoming release of a book titled “Your Cultural Balance Sheet,” which focuses on the importance of company culture alongside financial considerations. Christy emphasizes that maintaining a positive work culture is crucial for employee satisfaction and organizational success. The text also touches on investments in technology and their effects on relationships within the business, stressing that enriching employees’ lives is a privilege and a driver of revenue.
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This episode of The TRU Leader Podcast explores the various challenges leaders encounter when managing their time and energy in the face of increasing demands and expectations. It emphasizes the crucial importance of effective time management, prioritizing tasks, and maintaining a balance between work and personal life to avoid burnout and perform at one's best. The discussion highlights the deep-rooted fears and beliefs that can obstruct leaders, resulting in persistent feelings of inadequacy and overwhelming pressure to sacrifice personal time for professional success.
Effective leadership involves shifting perceptions about time, prioritizing self-care, and questioning ingrained norms to focus on high-priority tasks. The episode advocates for a balance of structure and flexibility to create habits and adapt to changes, highlighting the role of candor and diplomacy in relationships and productivity. Delegating, automating, or eliminating tasks to preserve energy and focusing on engaging activities are recommended. Additionally, the episode stresses taking control of one’s choices, avoiding a victim mindset, and practicing self-care techniques such as time blocking for reflection and mindfulness.
Effective time management strategies, including planning ahead, maintaining a conducive work environment, and using organizational tools, are crucial for productivity. The episode also encourages sharing time management strategies to enhance collective productivity and energy management, recognizing individual preferences and signs of ineffective time management systems. To help improve time management, listeners can download our FREE Time Mastery Worksheet HERE.
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This episode of The TRU Leader Podcast revolves around the importance of authenticity and work-life balance in effective leadership. Our dynamic duo, Tracy and Michelle, and special guest Dr. John Chuck, discuss themes emphasizing personal growth, spiritual connection, and the need for relatable and sustainable leaders who promote work-life balance. This episode highlights Dr. John's book, “Pearls from the Practice of Life”, offering wellness insights and reflections on burnout through 69 chapters.
Dr. John Chuck shares his personal stories and explores concepts like making pretend decisions to avoid regret and seeking diverse perspectives before making crucial choices. The discussion also features Rita Ng as an exemplary leader who fosters inclusivity by being open about vulnerabilities, thereby creating psychological safety and inspiring others. The conversation covers various topics, including defining personal values, introspection among physicians, childhood memories, resilience, humor, and plans for collaboration. The episode concludes with encouragement for listeners to spread laughter and wisdom, emphasizing authenticity and self-compassion over projecting perfection.
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