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On Tuesday, options on BlackRock’s bitcoin ETF, IBIT, launched, seeing $1.9 billion worth of those options changing hands on the first day.
The launch of these options could mark a turning point for crypto markets, with implications for liquidity, volatility, and institutional adoption.
Eric Balchunas, senior ETF analyst at Bloomberg, explains why these options are so significant, who they’re designed for, and how they could impact the broader ecosystem.
Plus, he offers some cautionary advice to bitcoiners, gives insight into whether spot ether etf options are on their way, and discusses the odds of SOL ETFs launching.
Show highlights:
What bitcoin ETF options are and why they are relevant for traders and investors
Whether options will reduce the volatility of BTC
Why Eric offers caution after seeing bitcoin surging so much recently
What Eric thinks about the possibility for Bitcoin ETF options to spark a “gamma squeeze”
What type of investors Eric thinks typically trade options
Whether regulators treat Bitcoin differently and with prejudice
What he would like to see from a new SEC
Why IBIT options will likely dominate the market, according to Eric
Why Eric was surprised that options on futures ETFs was so low compared to the spot ETFs
How the launch of options will affect Deribit, the main exchange for trading options
Whether options for ether spot ETFs are coming as well
His thoughts on the news that spot SOL ETFs may be moving to the next phase
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Guest
Eric Balchunas, Senior ETF Analyst at Bloomberg
Previous appearances on Unchained:
Why Spot Ether ETFs Are Now Likely to Be Approved on Thursday
How, in 7 Weeks, Bitcoin ETFs Reached Inflows That Took Gold ETFs 3 Years
Why Spot Bitcoin ETFs Are Likely to Finally Start Trading on Thursday
Will a Spot Bitcoin ETF Finally Get Approved?
Links
Previous coverage of Unchained on bitcoin ETFs options:
Why Bitcoin ETF Options Could Unlock Massive Amounts of Capital for Crypto
Unchained: Bitcoin Hits New All Time High as IBIT’s First-Day Volume Nears $1.9 Billion
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
01:15 Why Bitcoin ETF options are a game-changer for traders
07:35 How options could impact Bitcoin’s volatility
11:38 Eric’s cautionary take after Bitcoin’s recent surge
13:13 Whether price rises will be due to gamma squeezes or a lack of resistance
16:04 Insights into the typical investors trading ETF options
16:58 Perceptions of bias against Bitcoin in traditional markets
18:53 What Eric hopes for under new SEC leadership
20:47 Why IBIT options might dominate the market
23:05 Comparison between futures and spot ETF options
25:20 What IBIT options mean for Deribit’s dominance
28:58 Are ether spot ETF options on the horizon?
29:25 What Eric thinks of the filings for SOL ETFs
32:37 News Recap
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Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner get together and give the industry insider's perspective on crypto. This week, special guest Vance Spencer of Framework Ventures joins the crew to explore Ethereum’s Beam Chain proposal, a bold yet contentious vision for Ethereum 3.0. With promises of quantum resistance, faster transactions, and decentralized staking, is this five-year roadmap a revolutionary leap or an unachievable ambition? The team dives into the tension between Layer 2s and Ethereum’s base chain, alongside Solana’s growing dominance as a UX benchmark. On the political front, the conversation breaks down Trump’s pro-crypto administration. From speculation around key cabinet picks to the potential establishment of a national Bitcoin reserve, they analyze what this new era could mean for regulation, innovation, and the broader market. Tune in for a lively discussion of the forces shaping Ethereum’s evolution and crypto’s role in America’s future.
Show highlights
🔹 Polymarket CEO Raided: The crew discusses the FBI’s raid on Polymarket founder Shayne Coplan following the election, raising questions about politically motivated actions and the future of prediction markets.
🔹 Trump’s Crypto Administration: Trump’s pro-crypto agenda, including cabinet picks and a proposed Bitcoin strategic reserve, signals a potential shift in U.S. crypto policy.
🔹 D.O.G.E. and Dogecoin: The Department of Government Efficiency (D.O.G.E.), led by Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy, ignites a Dogecoin rally and highlights crypto’s rising cultural impact.
🔹 Bitcoin’s Surge: Bitcoin hits $94,000, sparking predictions of $250K or more during Trump’s presidency, while the crew debates whether a long-awaited altseason is imminent.
🔹 Ethereum’s Challenges: Ethereum’s Layer 2 friction and Solana’s growing UX dominance fuel concerns over Ethereum’s long-term competitiveness.
🔹 Solana and memecoins: Solana’s connection to memecoin markets strengthens its position as a key rival to Ethereum.
🔹 Crypto Regulation Outlook: The potential for sweeping pro-crypto legislation under Trump’s administration raises hopes for innovation but also risks overexuberance.
🔹 Ethereum 3.0 Skepticism: The Beam Chain proposal reflects Ethereum’s struggle to balance long-term visions with immediate market pressures, drawing comparisons to Solana’s rapid growth.
🔹 Future Price Predictions: Vance and the crew share bold price predictions for Bitcoin and Ethereum, exploring the political and technological forces driving market momentum.
Hosts
⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly
⭐️Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate
⭐️Tarun Chitra, Managing Partner at Robot Ventures
Guest:
⭐️Vance Spencer, Co-Founder Framework Ventures
Disclosures
Timestamps
00:00 Intro
01:36 Trump's Election and Market Reactions
03:14 Polymarket CEO FBI Raid
13:37 DOGE or the Department of Government Efficiency?
16:10 Memecoin Meta Update?
23:17 Trump's Pro-Crypto Administration
33:23 Market Sentiments and Predictions
42:00 Ethereum 3.0 and Beam Chain
52:17 Ethereum's Future and Competitors
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Bitcoin and SOL are flirting with all time highs, Ethereum is lagging behind, and the next six months could define the trajectory of crypto markets.
In this episode of Bits + Bips, James Seyffart, Alex Kruger, and guest David Grider unravel the key stories driving the space: What could a meeting between Trump and Coinbase’s Brian Armstrong mean for crypto policy? Could a new Treasury Secretary pick become the industry’s biggest ally? And is Ethereum’s underperformance hiding a major comeback?
Plus, what crypto categories might be winners in the near future.
Show highlights:
What the potential meeting of Trump with Brian Armstrong shows
Which pick for the Treasury Secretary position would be most positive for crypto
Whether Michael Saylor has been driving the bitcoin market
Whether rate cuts are coming in December and what impact it’s having on the markets
How tariffs are not as bad as people think, but massive deportation is, according to Alex
Why a potential Treasury General Account (TGA) rundown would be bullish for the markets
Whether traders will be taking profits at the $90,000 bitcoin level
How ETH has been underperforming and why David sees a silver lining
How the lack of institutional interest in ETH has changed dramatically since the election
Why David is so optimistic about restaking across different ecosystems
What the outlook for crypto regulation looks like in the near future and what will benefit the industry
Why James believes that we’ll have in-kind creations and redemptions for bitcoin ETFs under new SEC leadership
What the future trajectory of bitcoin’s price is and the role of a strategic bitcoin reserve
How different categories within crypto will perform in the markets
Hosts:
James Seyffart, Research Analyst at Bloomberg Intelligence
Alex Kruger, Founder of Asgard
Guest:
David Grider, Partner at Finality Capital
Links
Trump and politics:
Unchained:
Donald Trump to Meet Coinbase CEO Brian Armstrong: Report
Truth Social in Talks to Acquire Crypto Platform Bakkt
Who Might Trump Pick for S.E.C. Chair? This Is Who Jay Clayton Hopes to See
The Trump-Connected Brad Bondi Is a New SEC Chair Contender and Pro-Crypto
A Degen Administration? Why the Crypto Czar May Be Allowed to Own Tokens
Markets:
Unchained:
Spot Ether ETFs See Record $515 Million Weekly Inflows
Solana dApps See Massive Fees Amid Memecoin Frenzy
Bitcoin ETF options:
Unchained:
Bitcoin Hits New All Time High as IBIT’s First-Day Volume Nears $1.9 Billion
Why Bitcoin ETF Options Could Unlock Massive Amounts of Capital for Crypto
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
02:31 What a Trump-Brian Armstrong meeting means for crypto
07:36 Who could be crypto’s biggest ally as Treasury Secretary
12:43 Is Michael Saylor driving bitcoin’s rally?
14:46 Whether December rate cuts will shake the markets
19:33 Tariffs vs. deportation: What’s worse for crypto?
26:03 Whether a Treasury General Account rundown would be bullish for markets
30:19 Whether traders will take profits at $90K Bitcoin
35:50 Why ether’s underperformance might hide a comeback
47:15 Whether institutional interest in ETH has turned around
51:49 Why David is bullish on restaking across ecosystems
54:09 What’s next for crypto regulation and industry growth
1:06:55 Whether new SEC leadership would greenlight better bitcoin ETF structures
1:09:10 Whether strategic Bitcoin reserves could drive its price higher
1:17:25 Which crypto categories could lead the next rally
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Martin Köppelmann, co-founder of Gnosis, has proposed that Ethereum should have native rollups—a vision aimed at addressing scalability and decentralization.
Köppelmann critiques the current state of layer 2 solutions, highlighting their limitations in fully inheriting Ethereum’s security and composability.
He proposes a bold alternative: 128 Ethereum-native rollups designed to expand block space, strengthen alignment with Ethereum’s core principles, and ensure long-term viability for developers and users.
Plus, Martin tackles the controversies: Are L2s parasitic? Could native rollups spell the end for existing solutions? And why should they rely on zero-knowledge proofs instead of Optimism?
Show highlights:
Whether the Ethereum scaling roadmap is accomplishing its goals
Why based rollups are not a full solution, according to Martin
What Martin proposes instead
Why Martin is proposing these rollups to be ZK-rollups instead of optimistic
Whether the proposed solution would focus on privacy
What it is about chain abstraction that Martin doesn’t like
How he envisions that these native rollups will solve many composability issues across L2s
Whether the community has embraced this proposal and how likely it is to be implemented
What would happen to current L2s if native rollups get implemented
Why despite being against the current state of L2s, Martin says that they are not parasitic to Ethereum
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Guest:
Martin Köppelmann, Co-founder and CEO of Gnosis
Links
Previous coverage of Unchained on Ethereum layer 2s:
ETH Is Down Bad, While Layer 2s Are Ripping. Are L2s Parasitic to Ethereum?
Are L2s ‘Parasitic’? Analysis Shows Ethereum Only Gets a Tiny Percentage of Fees
Are Solana’s ‘Network Extensions’ Just Like Ethereum’s Layer 2s But by a Different Name?
Ethereum Has Had a Banner Year in Most Areas. Except Price.
Should Ethereum Layer 2s Urgently Decentralize Their Sequencers?
Blockworks: Gnosis founder argues Ethereum needs native L2s
Martin’s tweet on USDC yields
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
01:47 Is Ethereum’s scaling roadmap meeting its goals?
04:07 Why Martin believes based rollups aren’t the full solution
08:11 Martin’s bold proposal for native rollups
12:07 Why ZK-rollups over optimistic rollups
15:56 Whether these rollups should also preserve privacy
17:11 Martin’s issue with chain abstraction
22:35 How native rollups could solve L2 composability problems
26:49 Has the community embraced Martin’s vision?
30:52 What happens to existing L2s if native rollups win
36:06 Whether Martin thinks L2s are parasitic to Ethereum
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BlackRock’s entry into crypto through its bitcoin ETF (and later on the spot ether ETF) has rewritten the record books, driving massive inflows and reshaping the narrative for institutional crypto adoption.
Robbie Mitchnick, head of digital assets at BlackRock, unpacks the story behind this monumental shift. He shares the journey from skepticism to success, how BlackRock’s ETF has changed the market, and the surprises even he didn’t expect.
Plus, he explains why he believes people mistake bitcoin for a risk-on asset, what the investment case is for Ethereum, and what’s next for crypto in 2025.
Show highlights:
01:31 What and who is driving this massive amount of activity in bitcoin trading
05:05 Why Robbie offers some caution about the future of digital asset regulation
08:35 What about crypto captivated Robbie
13:32Whether Robbie was the one who “orange pilled” BlackRock CEO Larry Fink
14:37 Why Robbie thinks that bitcoin is not a risk-on asset
18:08 The backstory of how BlackRock ended up filing for a spot bitcoin ETF
20:15 How inflows into ETFs surprised Robbie, even considering fairly optimistic projections
24:14 Why BlackRock’s clients always ask about bitcoin’s correlation with other assets
27:22 Robbie’s take on the critique that BlackRock could centralize a decentralized ecosystem
29:34 What his thesis is on stablecoins, payments, and tokenization
31:25 The reasons why Ethereum ETFs have not been as successful as bitcoin
34:14 How Robbie pitches the ether ETF to clients
35:26 Why BUIDL is built on Ethereum, a public blockchain, rather than on a private one
36:48 Why DeFi’s potential is “immense,” according to Robbie
41:56 How bitcoin ETF options will impact the behavior of investors
43:57 What features BlackRock would love to see under a new SEC regime
45:32 What it’ll take for regulators to approve staking in ether ETFs
46:33 Why Robbie is not sure which crypto ETFs might come next
48:16 Whether BlackRock will develop proof of reserves for its ETFs
52:21 Robbie’s outlook for the markets in 2025
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Guest:
Robbie Mitchnick, Head of Digital Assets for BlackRock
Links
Previous coverage of Unchained on Bitcoin ETFs:
Why Bitcoin ETF Options Could Unlock Massive Amounts of Capital for Crypto
How, in 7 Weeks, Bitcoin ETFs Reached Inflows That Took Gold ETFs 3 Years
Bitcoin’s Price Is Way Up. And $48 Trillion in Wealth Just Got Access
How Small Bitcoin ETF Issuers Will Compete With the Likes of BlackRock
Unchained: BlackRock’s Spot Bitcoin ETF Eclipses Firm’s Gold ETF in Net Assets
CNBC: BlackRock CEO Larry Fink: I believe bitcoin is a legit financial instrument
CoinDesk: BlackRock Sees Sovereign Wealth Funds, Pensions Coming to Bitcoin ETFs
Forbes: A Trump U.S. Strategic Bitcoin Reserve ‘Game-Changer’ Is Suddenly Hurtling Toward The Bitcoin Price
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The 2024 elections have reshaped the future of crypto in Washington. With almost $200 million in donations, the Fairshake Super PAC not only backed pro-crypto candidates but also took bold risks by challenging entrenched incumbents. This strategic gamble appears to have paid off, leading to the most crypto-friendly Congress in U.S. history.
In this episode, Coinbase’s Faryar Shirzad and Kara Calvert reveal the behind-the-scenes decisions that drove this unprecedented effort, discuss why crypto needs to transcend partisanship, and explain how this election could usher in long-awaited regulatory clarity. They also delve into the global stakes of blockchain adoption and whether the U.S. can reclaim its leadership as other nations surge ahead in Web3 innovation.
Show highlights:
01:48 The journey of how crypto became so important in this election
04:16 The differences between Fairshake and Stand With Crypto
08:48 How Fairshake decided which candidates to support
12:48 How Washington reacted to the massive influx of money to support pro-crypto candidates
15:51 Why Fairshake stayed out of the Presidential race
18:23 How hard it was for Fairshake to handle its non-partisan stance with both parties
22:32 How the U.S.’s approach to crypto can be compared to how it lost on the cutting-edge technologies of 5G and semiconductors
26:41 What drove the decision to attempt to unseat Sherrod Brown, which ended up giving Sen. Warren more power on the Senate Banking Committee
32:54 Whether Sen. Warren’s anti-crypto stance has been diminished after the elections
35:28 How the industry got past the fiasco of Sam Bankman-Fried and FTX
42:07 Why Faryar believes that “anyone would be an upgrade” from Gary Gensler as Chair of the SEC
46:45 How blockchain technology allows for instant settlements, a feature so needed in capital markets
49:36 What could happen with the SEC’s legal actions against crypto companies now that Gensler will lose his position as SEC chair
53:22 What Faryar and Kara expect the new administration to do around crypto
56:47 How DeFi can be regulated in the U.S. and whether Trump will support the motto “code is free speech”
1:01:37 The perception of Washington insiders about Polymarket
1:04:28 Whether the technology sector will be on the Republican side from now on
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Guests:
Faryar Shirzad, Coinbase Chief Policy Officer
Kara Calvert, Coinbase Head of US Policy
Links
Previous coverage of the elections on the podcast:
Under Trump, the First Crypto President, Where Will Markets Go?
Bits + Bips: Trump Won and the Question Is: Do You Have Enough Crypto?
How Arthur Hayes Has Prepared His Portfolio for the Elections
The Chopping Block: 2024 Election Debate feat. Mike Novogratz & Shaun Maguire
It’s Not Just the Presidency. Congressional Races Matter a Lot for Crypto
Unchained:
DeFi Tokens Jump on Hopes That Trump Will Provide Crypto Regulatory Clarity
What Gary Gensler Could Still Do Against Crypto in His Remaining Days as SEC Chair
Elizabeth Warren Will Be the Top Democrat on the Senate Banking Committee
Stand With Crypto Says These Races Are Crucial for Crypto. But Why?
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Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner get together and give the industry insider's perspective on crypto. This week, Laura Shin joins the squad to help break down the aftermath of the 2024 U.S. presidential election and its impact on the crypto landscape. With a new pro-crypto administration on the horizon, they explore what Trump’s stance on blockchain regulation could mean for the industry, from ETFs and stablecoin legislation to the potential of a national Bitcoin reserve. They also dig into the power of prediction markets, which outperformed mainstream media in election coverage, signaling a shift in trust and transparency. From the populist appeal of crypto to the challenges facing a divided Democratic Party, this episode uncovers the political dynamics that could drive innovation or stifle growth in the U.S. crypto market. Expect insights on the forces shaping America’s crypto future and the role of policy in crypto’s place on the global stage.
Show highlights
🔹 Prediction markets outpaced mainstream media in calling the 2024 election, marking a shift in how people track election outcomes.
🔹 Trump’s pro-crypto stance signals potential changes for the industry, from new ETFs to a possible federal Bitcoin reserve.
🔹 The Democratic Party’s anti-crypto stance highlights a disconnect between progressive values and blockchain innovation.
🔹 As prediction markets gain popularity, more Americans rely on them over traditional media for real-time election insights.
🔹 One high-stakes bettor’s multi-million-dollar wager on the election paid off, thanks to a unique strategy involving the "neighbor effect."
🔹 The Democratic Party’s focus on "woke" issues may have contributed to a historic loss, raising questions about the future of these policies.
🔹 With pro-crypto Republicans in control, sweeping legislative changes are expected, from stablecoin laws to crypto tax reforms.
🔹 Crypto’s anti-elite appeal is resonating with populist movements, indicating a potential path for mass adoption.
🔹 The idea of Bitcoin on the U.S. national balance sheet is gaining traction as a pro-crypto administration takes office.
🔹 Political choices could propel or stifle America’s standing as a global leader in blockchain innovation and technology.
Hosts
⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly
⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly
⭐️Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate
⭐️Laura Shin, journalist, author of ‘The Cryptopians,’ founder and CEO of Unchained
Disclosures
Links
Kamala Harris Shouldn’t Just Embrace Crypto. She Must Help It Flourish by Laura Shin:
https://time.com/7111315/kamala-harris-crypto-laura-shin-essay/
How the Trump Whale Correctly Called the Election by Alexander Osipovich
https://www.wsj.com/finance/how-the-trump-whale-correctly-called-the-election-cb7eef1d
Timestamps
00:00 Intro
01:17 Election Night Observations
04:32 Polymarket's Role
06:19 French Whale x Neighbor Effect
14:52 Mainstream Media vs. Prediction Markets
25:54 The Future of Prediction Markets
27:26 Crypto and the Democratic Party's Missteps
30:30 Democratic Party's Superiority Complex
31:38 Crypto's Global Impact and Legislation
43:23 Predictions for Crypto's Future in the U.S.
49:47 The Return of Crypto Companies to the U.S.
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With a friendlier regulatory environment in sight, will crypto finally get its moment?
Jeff Park, head of alpha strategies at Bitwise, joins Unchained to break down what a pro-crypto approach in Washington could mean for the industry, why DeFi tokens such as UNI are thriving, and whether Bitcoin has a place as a strategic national asset.
Plus, Park shares insights into how China will respond to Trump’s economic measures and explains what he means by the “radical portfolio” thesis.
Tune in to find out how this new political era could set the stage for crypto’s long-awaited breakout.
Show highlights:
Jeff’s main takeaways from the intersection of crypto and politics this cycle
Whether crypto has become a partisan issue
Why Jeff highlights the usefulness of Polymarket to track the chances of each candidate
Why Uniswap’s token UNI outperformed the broader market
What sectors of the industry could boom with more regulatory clarity
Whether the idea of using bitcoin as a strategic reserve is feasible
How China will respond to Trump’s economic measures
What is the “radical portfolio” thesis and what’s bitcoin’s role in it
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Guest
Jeff Park, Head of Alpha Strategies at Bitwise
The Radical Portfolio Theory
Links
Unchained:
Ether Breaks Past $2,800 to 3-Month High Following Trump’s Victory
DeFi Tokens Jump on Hopes That Trump Will Provide Crypto Regulatory Clarity
Bitcoin Just Gained $100 Billion in Market Cap Overnight. Is it Time to Take Profits?
Bitcoin Hits New All-Time High of $75,000
What Gary Gensler Could Still Do Against Crypto in His Remaining Days as SEC Chair
Haralabos Voulgaris’s tweets on gambling:
Expressing concern about gambling addiction
Contrasting gambling now vs. when he started
His opposition to how much gambling is promoted
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
01:13 Key takeaways on crypto’s role in politics
02:38 Has crypto become a partisan issue?
06:47 Why Polymarket is crucial for tracking election odds
09:29 Why UNI is outperforming the market
11:56 Which sectors could thrive with regulatory clarity?
15:07 Could Bitcoin become a national strategic reserve?
18:32 How might China respond to Trump’s economic policies?
20:17 What is the “radical portfolio” thesis?
29:57 Crypto News Recap
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Donald Trump is headed back to the White House, and the crypto markets are surging in response.
This episode of Bits + Bips dives into what the election means for crypto, the potential crypto IPOs coming soon, why DeFi tokens are outperforming, and what changes in U.S. regulation could mean for investors. Ram Ahluwalia and Noelle Acheson join to explore this unprecedented moment in crypto and how inflation and policy changes may boost Bitcoin and the broader ecosystem.
Show highlights:
Everyone’s initial reactions to Trump’s win
How some crypto companies could have their IPO soon
Whether it’s time to take profits after the substantial run
Why DeFi tokens have been the biggest winners
What the next crypto spot ETF will be and whether we’ll see staking rewards for ETH
Why mainstream media didn’t see the Trump win coming
Why Ram and Alex believe that Kamala Harris was not the right candidate
How Trump won the appeal of the lower class in the U.S.
Whether immigration was key to sustaining the GDP and avoiding a “hard landing”
Crypto’s massive win in Congress
How much impact Elon Musk had in the outcome of the elections
How Polymarket has become a “new source of truth,” according to Ram
Why the Fed doesn’t have a need to accelerate rate cuts
Whether Trump’s policies will be inflationary and whether he’ll go forward with tariffs
Whether the 10-year bond will reach new highs
Thanks to Gemini for sponsoring this episode of Bits + Bips.
Hosts:
James Seyffart, Research Analyst at Bloomberg Intelligence
Alex Kruger, Founder of Asgard
Guests:
Ram Ahluwalia, CFA, CEO and Founder of Lumida
Noelle Acheson, Author of the “Crypto Is Macro Now” Newsletter
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
01:57 Reactions to Trump’s election win
03:13 Which crypto companies might IPO soon?
09:28 Is it time to take profits in crypto?
17:30 Why are DeFi tokens surging?
20:31 What’s next for crypto ETFs and ETH staking rewards?
28:00 Why mainstream media missed Trump’s victory
33:44 Ram’s thoughts on Kamala Harris’s candidacy
43:52 How Trump gained appeal with lower-income voters
45:41 Did immigration help sustain GDP?
53:11 Crypto’s big win in Congress
56:53 Elon Musk’s influence on the election outcome
1:04:10 Is Polymarket becoming a “new source of truth”?
1:10:30 Why the Fed may not need faster rate cuts
1:13:26 Will Trump’s policies drive inflation?
1:17:08 Will the 10-year bond hit new highs?
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Crypto networks are meant to be decentralized, community owned systems. But they’re turned out to be dominated by whales and to have more mercenaries who are just interested in getting free tokens to dump them, rather than having long-term believers who want to build the ecosystem. How can tokens be launched in a way that gets token holders aligned with long-term success?
Today’s guests, Mike Dudas, founding partner of 6th Man Ventures, and Matt O’Connor, co-founder of Legion, believe there’s room for improvement. In this episode, they share how Legion aims to reshape the process, focusing on fair distribution, incentivizing organic user growth, and building loyal communities. They explore Legion’s approach to token sales, its compatibility with regulatory frameworks, and why it might be the key to bringing new people into crypto.
Show highlights:
How Legion was born and what its main goal is
The problems with how token launches currently work
Why projects don’t want to return to the ICO model
Whether the criteria to earn a better reputation on Legion is gameable
How Legion actually works and what the role of KYC is
What type of regulatory framework Legion is leveraging
How MiCA’s rules for token offerings allowed for this type of project to emerge
Whether the U.S. should follow Europe in establishing a crypto framework like MiCA
What the business model of Legion is
What the difference is between Legion and other similar platforms such as Cobie’s Echo
Whether token sales is a better distribution mechanism than airdrops
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Guests:
Mike Dudas, Founding partner of 6th Man Ventures
Matt O’Connor, Co-Founder of Legion
Matt’s open source publication: Tokenomics for Builders
Links
Unchained: Legion Launches New Tool to Identify Best Contributors in Crypto Fundraises
Legion Whitepaper
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
01:49 How Legion was born and its main goal
05:33 What’s wrong with current token launches?
11:13 Why projects avoid the ICO model
13:37 Can Legion’s reputation system be gamed?
26:18 How Legion works and the role of KYC
35:23 The regulatory framework behind Legion
39:06 How MiCA enabled this type of project
44:09 Should the U.S. adopt a framework like MiCA?
46:32 What is Legion’s business model?
50:28 How Legion differs from Cobie’s Echo
53:18 Are token sales better than airdrops for distribution?
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Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner slice into the juiciest topics in crypto. This week, Robert Leshner welcomes two special guests: Mike Novogratz, CEO of Galaxy, and Shaun Maguire, general partner at Sequoia Capital, for a one-of-a-kind debate on how the upcoming 2024 U.S. presidential election could shape the future of crypto. With the stakes higher than ever, they explore what a Harris or Trump presidency could mean for crypto regulation, market infrastructure, and the populist undercurrents driving the industry forward. From blockchain voting possibilities to the macroeconomic forces impacting Bitcoin and stablecoins, the conversation pushes beyond policy to the heart of crypto's role in tomorrow's world. This episode delivers crucial insights on the political forces that could redefine crypto’s trajectory in the U.S. and beyond.
Show highlights
🔹 Crypto in the Election Crosshairs: Mike Novogratz and Shaun Maguire debate how a Trump or Harris presidency could reshape the U.S. crypto landscape.
🔹 Deregulation vs. Innovation: Trump’s pro-deregulation stance meets Harris’s pro-innovation campaign promises. Which path is better for crypto growth?
🔹 Crypto's Populist Appeal: How Trump’s base connects with crypto’s populist movement and why that resonates with “the people at the bottom” of the income bracket.
🔹 Deep State and Political Jaywalking: Shaun Maguire dives into the concept of “political jaywalking” and its impact on trust in U.S. elections.
🔹 The Future of Blockchain Voting: Could blockchain-based voting bring transparency to elections? The crew weighs in on the feasibility and timing of decentralized voting.
🔹 Bitcoin's Role in Macro Trends: With U.S. debt surging, Mike and Shaun share their thoughts on Bitcoin as a hedge, whether Trump or Harris takes office.
🔹 The Crypto Political Machine: A look at how crypto insiders engage with political campaigns and the industry’s impact on down-ballot races.
🔹 Wildcard Assets: How a national Bitcoin reserve might impact U.S. fiscal policy – could it ever happen under Harris?
Hosts
⭐️Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate
Guests
⭐️Mike Novogratz, CEO of Galaxy
⭐️Shaun Maguire, general partner at Sequoia Capital
Disclosures
Timestamps
00:00 Introduction
02:03 Shaun’s Argument for Trump
05:10 Mike's Argument for Harris
11:10 Political Bias and Prediction Markets
18:25 Flynn & Political Jaywalking
24:26 Macroeconomic Implications for Crypto
30:29 Bitcoin Price Predictions Post-Election
32:38 Gold & Central Bank Dynamics
34:41 Nation States & Bitcoin Reserves
37:35 Military Technology & Future Dominance
39:10 Presidential Campaign Issues & AI
47:44 Election Integrity & Blockchain Voting
53:17 Crypto's Influence in Politics
56:42 $WLFI Endeavors
01:00:17 Closing Thoughts
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As the 2024 U.S. election draws near, the crypto market is buzzing with speculation on what’s next. Arthur Hayes, co-founder of BitMEX, joins Unchained to discuss how Bitcoin and altcoins might react depending on who wins. Hayes shares his insights on election trade strategies, from the importance of sticking to the majors to his preference for Solana over Ethereum in the short term.
He also dives into whether Trump will fulfill his promises to the crypto community and drops a banger explanation on what could be the next Federal Reserve move. (Hint: it’s not about interest rates.)
Plus, Unchained reporter Veronica Irwin joins the show to discuss her latest scoops on Stand With Crypto’s scoring system and SEC Commissioner Hester Peirce’s stance on whether she would want to become Chair of the agency in replacement of Gary Gensler.
Show highlights:
01:39 How the market could react based on the election outcome
03:53 Has a Trump win been priced in? What if there’s no clear winner?
06:30 Arthur’s short-term trade strategy for the elections
13:00 Will Bitcoin surge, and is an altcoin rotation coming?
16:52 Why Arthur favors SOL over ETH right now
21:28 Whether Layer 2s are parasitic to Ethereum
24:19 Could crypto regulation reform come after the election?
26:12 Whether Trump would deliver on his promises to the crypto community
29:45 The election outlook for memecoins
30:52 Why traders should focus on high-cap AI memecoins
36:41 Why Arthur believes the Fed need to restart quantitative easing
47:55 How much money China will print to tackle its property crisis
52:21 Arthur’s take on Japan’s political shift and economic impact
54:44 Whether Stand With Crypto has been honest with the crypto community
56:20 A potential conflict of interest of one of the top executives
56:58 Stand With Crypto’s affiliation with PAC Fairshake
1:04:19 Whether Hester Peirce will become SEC Chair if Trump wins
1:08:27 Crypto News Recap
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Guest
Arthur Hayes, Co-Founder of BitMEX and CIO at Maelstrom
Previous appearances on Unchained:
Arthur Hayes and Will Clemente on How This Bitcoin Halving Is Different
Arthur Hayes on Why Bitcoin Is Money and ETH Is a Shitcoin He Loves
Arthur Hayes, Former Ethereum Skeptic, on Why the Merge Makes Him Bullish on ETH
Arthur Hayes of Bitmex on Why Countries Will Turn to Digital
The Chopping Block: Arthur Hayes on Why Crypto Needs to Ditch the Banks
How Crypto and Blockchain Technology Could Change Financial Services
Links
Unchained:
Why You Might Have to Wait a Little Longer for a Crypto Bull Market
What Needs to Happen for Altcoins to Finally Pump: Report
Arthur’s latest blog post
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Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner slice into the juiciest topics in crypto. This week, the crew tackles everything from AI-powered memecoins and the explosive rise of GOAT token to the ongoing rivalry between Ethereum and Solana. They break down the appeal of AI-driven assets, analyze Trump’s World Liberty Finance flop, and debate whether Ethereum’s current fragmentation is hurting its narrative. With Halloween thrills and market chills, this episode delivers insider insights on the trends pushing crypto forward.
Show highlights
🔹 GOAT Token Madness: The latest in AI memecoin hype and how GOAT token captured the attention of investors and Twitter alike.
🔹 Memecoin Stagecraft: Are AI-driven coins here to stay, or is it all clever stagecraft? Our thoughts on the future of AI-based assets.
🔹 AI Meets Memecoins: Is character-driven AI the secret sauce in building compelling memecoins? Exploring the potential of charismatic, interactive assets.
🔹 World Liberty Finance Flop: Trump's crypto token sale misses the mark—are accredited investor rules and lack of memes to blame?
🔹 Trump’s Role in Crypto: How Trump’s “hands-off” approach may have impacted World Liberty’s slow start.
🔹 Ethereum vs Solana: Ethereum’s current challenges and Vitalik’s roadmap defense—can Ethereum reclaim its narrative from Solana’s simpler, single-layer approach?
🔹 Fragmentation in Ethereum’s Ecosystem: How Ethereum’s L2 rollup competition might be confusing new users and hurting its narrative.
Hosts
⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly
⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly
⭐️Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate
⭐️Tarun Chitra, Managing Partner at Robot Ventures
Disclosures
Timestamps
00:00 Intro
02:12 The Rise of GOAT Token
11:41 The Future of AI Coins & Meme-Based Value
21:50 The Importance of Attention in Crypto
23:53 Trump's World Liberty Finance Token Sale
31:24 Ethereum's Struggles and Vitalik's Response
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With the presidential race in the spotlight, it’s easy to overlook the powerful role that Congress could play in shaping crypto policy in the coming years. From committee chairs to legislative allies, crypto advocates are keenly focused on the outcome of key Congressional races. Kristin Smith of the Blockchain Association and Alex Grieve of Paradigm join us today to break down which races and committees are critical for crypto, why the industry is more visible in Washington than ever, and what the chances are for lame duck legislation this year.
Read more: How Congressional Committee Leadership Could Shake Out for Crypto This Election
Show highlights:
Why this election is “incredibly important” for crypto
How the presence of Fairshake is increasingly noticed by Washington
Why some committees are more important than others for the industry
Why the Senate Banking Committee is key
Whether Alex and Kristin are concerned about Sen. Warren becoming chair of the Senate Banking Committee
What could happen to the House Financial Services Committee
Who is likely to take on both of the Agricultural Committees, which is in charge of the CFTC
How the Senate Commerce affects the crypto industry
How the members of the House Energy Committee don’t have a strong stance on crypto
What the stance of the Finance Committee on crypto is
Why there is an opportunity in the House Ways and Means Committee
Whether crypto tax legislation is in the works
Who could be the SEC Chair under a Trump or Harris presidency
Who could be the next Chair of the CFTC
Whether Yellen will be replaced on Treasury, with many pro-crypto options on tap
Why the Federal Reserve matters much more if they get to regulate stablecoins
What the odds are for crypto legislation being passed this year
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Guests:
Kristin Smith, CEO of the Blockchain Association
Kristin’s Op-ed on Unchained: In the Ongoing SAB 121 Fight, Here’s How Crypto Can Move Forward With Bipartisan Support
Previous appearances on Unchained:
Kristin Smith on Why Crypto Legislation Could Be Passed by Year's End
Can Crypto Be a Force in the Midterms? Yes, Say Kristin Smith and Jake Chervinsky
What the Crypto Industry Could See Under a Biden Administration
Alexander Grieve, VP of Government Affairs at Paradigm
Links
Previous coverage of Unchained on the elections:
With Rate Cuts and Upcoming Elections, What’s the Best Play in Crypto?
Why Congressman Ro Khanna Is Hopeful the Democratic Party Will Embrace Crypto
Why Gary Gensler Will Likely Be Out as SEC Chair No Matter Who Wins the Election
Congressman French Hill on Crypto and His Top Pick for the Next SEC Chair
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
01:55 Why this election is pivotal for crypto
04:50 How Fairshake’s presence is catching Washington’s eye
16:39 Which committees matter most for crypto?
22:49 Why the Senate Banking Committee is crucial
28:54 Concerns about Sen. Warren as potential chair?
38:15 Possible shifts in the House Financial Services Committee
41:47 Who could control the Agricultural Committees and CFTC oversight?
47:35 How the Senate Commerce Committee impacts crypto
51:04 House Energy Committee’s stance on crypto
53:21 Finance Committee’s crypto perspective
55:03 Opportunities in the House Ways and Means Committee
57:28 Is crypto tax legislation in the works?
1:01:23 Potential SEC Chairs under Trump or Harris
1:03:57 Who could be the next CFTC Chair?
1:05:46 Will Yellen be replaced with a pro-crypto Treasury option?
1:08:06 Why the Fed’s role could be pivotal for stablecoin regulation
1:10:46 Odds of crypto legislation passing this year
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The two-week-old GOAT memecoin, which hit a market cap of almost $880 million on Thursday, is captivating everyone in crypto. Not because this is memecoin szn, but because its rise was fueled by an AI called Truth Terminal, which is itself a baby of two other AI models.
Teng Yan, founder of Chain of Thought, joins Unchained to break down how this unexpected AI creation has turned into a phenomenon, why it has captured the attention of the crypto world, and what the future holds for AI-driven tokens.
At the end, Laura also discusses with Unchained’s regulatory reporter Veronica Irwin two interesting and important news stories: who Kamala Harris is vetting for SEC chair and how one Senate race could inadvertently give Senator Elizabeth Warren more power over crypto.
Show highlights:
How an AI experiment unexpectedly led to the creation of GOAT and sparked interest in AI-generated subcultures
How "Terminal of Truth" evolved its own personality, gained attention from Marc Andreessen, and began posting about a new "Goat Sea gospel" religion
How the spelling mistake sparked skepticism about the AI model
What happened with the $50,000 in BTC that Marc Andreessen gave to Truth Terminal
Whether an AI can have its own wallet and what the implications are
Whether AI memecoins could start surging on other chains
What we can expect in terms of the proliferation of AI memecoins
What the future looks like for the intersection of crypto and AI
Who Kamala Harris is considering for SEC Chair if she wins the U.S. election
Why one Senate race could give Elizabeth Warren more power over crypto
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Guest
Teng Yan, Founder of Chain of Thought
Teng’s article: GOAT: The Gospel of Goatse
Links
Previous coverage of Unchained on GOAT:
GOAT Hits a Record $879 Million Market Cap After Brian Armstrong Offers to Help Truth Terminal
GOAT: How AI Agents Talking Turned Into a $268 Million Memecoin 'Religion'
Infinite backrooms
Andy : https://x.com/AndyAyrey
Andy Ayrey's (creator of Truth Terminal) research paper on LLMtheism:
Truth Terminal's X account
Kaito: GOAT’s mindshare
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
01:28 How an AI experiment led to the creation of GOAT
06:16 The rise of “Terminal of Truth” and its unexpected evolution
11:57 How a simple spelling mistake raised skepticism
20:09 What happened to the $50,000 in BTC from Marc Andreessen?
21:06 Whether AI models can have their own wallets
24:17 Whether AI memecoins will surge on other chains
26:19 What’s next for the rise of AI memecoins
28:35 The future of AI and crypto’s intersection
31:39 Who Kamala Harris may consider for SEC Chair
34:12 How one Senate race could boost Elizabeth Warren’s power over crypto
40:33 News Recap
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Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner slice into the juiciest topics in crypto. In this episode, the crew is joined by special guest Anatoly Yakovenko, the mastermind behind Solana, for a deep dive into the network’s evolution and future. The conversation kicks off with a look at Solana's rapid rise from its rocky early days to its current status as a blockchain powerhouse. They debate the role of memecoins in Solana’s ecosystem and whether they’re here to stay or just a passing craze. Next, Anatoly opens up about Fire Dancer’s impact on the network’s scaling and performance, sparking a broader discussion about vertical vs. horizontal scaling. Finally, they explore Solana’s ambitious push into the mobile space with the Seeker phone and its implications for the broader crypto industry. Packed with expert insights, bold predictions, and a few surprises, this episode is a must-listen for anyone following the future of blockchain.
Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Pandora, Castbox, Google Podcasts, TuneIn, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform.
Show highlights
🔹 Solana’s Rise: Solana’s journey from early turbulence to becoming a blockchain powerhouse.
🔹 Memecoin Frenzy: The explosive growth of memecoins on Solana and their impact on the ecosystem.
🔹 Fire Dancer Impact: How Fire Dancer could revolutionize Solana’s scalability and performance.
🔹 Vertical vs Horizontal Scaling: Is Solana’s vertical scaling approach stronger than Ethereum’s rollups?
🔹 Seeker Phone: Solana’s ambitious push into mobile with the Seeker phone and its potential disruption of the app store landscape.
🔹 ETHOS Phone: How does Ethereum’s new phone compare to Solana’s mobile vision?
🔹 Network Extensions: The introduction of network extensions and whether they align with Solana’s long-term vision.
🔹 App Chains: Could the rise of app-specific chains lead to fragmentation or strengthen Solana’s ecosystem?
🔹 Developer Experience: The challenges of Solana’s development environment and their impact on innovation.
🔹 Ethereum Rivalry: With both networks advancing, how is the competition between Solana and Ethereum shaping up?
Hosts
⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly
⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly
⭐️Tarun Chitra, Managing Partner at Robot Ventures
Special Guest
⭐️Anatoly Yakovenko, Co-Founder & CEO Solana Labs
Disclosures
Timestamps
00:00 Intro
02:56 TCB’s Criticisms
05:12 Evolution of Solana's Ecosystem
17:36 Solana's Competition
22:05 What Is Solana's Moat?
28:31 The Role of Atomicity and Composability
34:11 Network Extensions
44:20 First Mover vs. Second Cohort
48:44 Future of Asset Types and Content
52:49 Developer Experience and Token Implementations
1:00:38 Solana Phone vs. EthOS
1:09:16 Thoughts and Criticism
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In this episode of Bits + Bips, hosts James Seyffart, Alex Kruger, and Joe McCann are joined by Jeff Park of Bitwise to discuss some of the latest developments in the crypto world. They share their thoughts on a controversial ECB paper about Bitcoin, breaking down why they believe the authors missed the mark. They also dive into the rising institutional interest in spot Bitcoin ETFs and how Trump’s momentum in the polls could impact the market, especially for altcoins. Plus, the conversation explores the significance of Bitcoin ETF options and why they could have a larger impact than many expect.
Show highlights:
Why the guys believe that the ECB paper on Bitcoin is a joke
How the Minneapolis Fed report said that prohibiting Bitcoin would allow the government to operate at permanent deficits
The institutional demand for spot bitcoin ETFs
How Trump has been rising in the polls and what the Trump trade looks like at the moment
Whether polls and Poylmarket bets on the U.S. elections are manipulated
How the Fed is putting more focus on jobs than inflation
When the bitcoin ETF options might launch and which issuers will get it first
How memecoins succeed and the rise of AI memecoins like GOAT, fueled by the AI bot truth_terminal
What the $1.1 billion acquisition by Stripe of stablecoin company Bridge means
Why Donald Trump’s World Liberty Financial token sale was a flop
Sponsors:
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Hosts:
James Seyffart, Research Analyst at Bloomberg Intelligence
Alex Kruger, Founder of Asgard
Joe McCann, Founder, CEO, and CIO of Asymmetric
Guest:
Jeff Park, Head of Alpha Strategies at Bitwise
Links
ECB paper on bitcoin: Bitcoin Appreciation Could Be ‘Fuelling The Division Of Society’
Omid Malekan’s rebuttal to the paper by Bindseil & Schaaf (of the ECB)
Minneapolis Fed report: Unique Implementation of Permanent Primary Deficits? | Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis
Alex Kruger’s tweet on memecoins
Alex Thorn’s tweet on bitcoin adjusted by inflation
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
03:08 Why the ECB’s Bitcoin paper missed the mark
10:17 Political motivations behind the Minneapolis Fed report on Bitcoin
14:18 Rising institutional demand for spot Bitcoin ETFs
21:38 How Trump’s poll momentum could impact crypto
32:14 Are election polls and Polymarket bets manipulated?
43:36 Why the Fed is prioritizing jobs over inflation
52:37 When will Bitcoin ETF options launch?
1:01:08 What makes memecoins, including AI memecoins like GOAT, succeed?
1:13:00 The significance of Stripe’s $1.1 billion crypto deal
1:18:02 Why the WLFI token sale was a “flop”
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Africa is quickly becoming one of the most dynamic regions for crypto adoption, but the story unfolding there is very different from what many in the West might imagine.
Chris Maurice, co-founder and CEO of Yellow Card, joins the show to share how stablecoins are already transforming businesses across the continent, solving real-world problems, and taking on SWIFT. Plus, he explains why USDT is the stablecoin of choice there.
He also dives into the long-term economic impact of crypto adoption and explains why anyone serious about business should be paying close attention to Africa.
Show highlights:
What Yellow Card is and the focus on U.S. Dollar stablecoins
The complexities of doing business in Africa
Which African countries have the highest rate of adoption
Chris’s background and his fun story of how he got into working in Africa
How operating a company in Africa is different from other places
Why Yellow Card is currently operating with three stablecoins, and the dominance of USDT
Why Yellow Card only offers centralized stablecoins
Why everyone should pay more attention to the continent, according to Chris
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Guest:
Chris Maurice, cofounder and CEO of Yellow Card
Links
Previous coverage of Unchained on stablecoins and emerging markets:
Anita Posch on Why ‘Bitcoin Is a Tool for Freedom’ – Especially in Africa
6 Stablecoins That Are Driving the Sector’s Two-Year High in Market Capitalization
Castle Island Ventures’ report: Stablecoins: The Emerging Market Story
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
02:03 What Yellow Card is and why it focuses on U.S. dollar-denominated stablecoins
04:31 The complexities of doing business in Africa
10:42 Which African countries have the highest crypto adoption
19:17 How Chris got into working in Africa
25:11 How operating in Africa differs from other regions
32:42 Why USDT dominates Yellow Card’s stablecoin business
38:31 Why Yellow Card only uses centralized stablecoins
39:22 Does Africa deserve more attention?
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How do you determine the value of decentralized networks like Bitcoin, Ethereum, or Solana? It’s not as straightforward as traditional investments.
Jon Charbonneau, general partner at crypto investment firm DBA, joins Unchained after writing a paper that dives deep into the complexities of valuing blockchain networks. He explains why applying traditional equity models to networks such as Bitcoin falls short, how tax inefficiencies in staking rewards impact valuations, and whether Layer 2 solutions like Optimism and Arbitrum are helping or hurting the long-term value of Layer 1 blockchains.
Also, he looks at the big question—are these networks sustainable in the long run?
Show highlights:
What motivated Jon to write the paper
What the main points of the paper are
Why tax inefficiencies in staking rewards are a critical factor in valuing decentralized networks and how they differ from traditional corporate taxes
What makes valuing networks tricky, as Jon explains how proof-of-work vs. proof-of-stake systems differ from traditional equity models
How he thinks about valuing Layer 2s and whether they are parasitic to the L1
Whether blockchains are sustainable in the long term
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Guest
Jon Charbonneau, co-founder and General Partner at DBA
L1 & L2 Token Value Capture
Links
Previous coverage of Unchained on this topic:
How to Figure Out Whether a Crypto Token Is Worth Its Trading Price
ETH Is Down Bad, While Layer 2s Are Ripping. Are L2s Parasitic to Ethereum?
Are Layer 2s Parasitic to Ethereum and ETH as an Asset?
Are L2s ‘Parasitic’? Analysis Shows Ethereum Only Gets a Tiny Percentage of Fees
Ether-Bitcoin Ratio Is at Multi-Year Lows, But It’s Just ‘Temporary’ and an ‘Opportunity’
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
01:25 What sparked Jon's interest in this topic?
03:35 Key takeaways from the paper
08:30 How staking taxes could change the game
13:46 Why traditional models fail for blockchain
20:10 Are Layer 2s helping or hurting Layer 1s?
26:51 Can blockchains survive long term?
29:20 News Recap
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Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner slice into the juiciest topics in crypto. In this episode, the crew dives headfirst into the “Memecoin Supercycle,” sparking a debate on whether these wild, meme-powered coins are just a fleeting obsession or a genuine revolution. They then dissect Uniswap’s bold leap to launch its own chain on the Optimism Superchain, asking if this move could steal the spotlight from Ethereum and forever reshape the DeFi landscape. And just when you think it’s all about tech, they dive into Kamala Harris’ latest crypto play, with an eyebrow-raising appeal to memecoin investors. From soaring hype to DeFi drama and political power moves, this episode is packed with hot takes, spicy predictions, and a glimpse at what might lie ahead in the world of crypto.
Show highlights
🔹 “Memecoin Supercycle” and whether memecoins are on track to overtake traditional altcoins as they fuel a new wave of financial speculation.
🔹 Unichain: Uniswap’s bold move to launch its own chain on the Optimism Superchain, questioning whether this could pull DeFi liquidity away from Ethereum and reshape the crypto ecosystem.
🔹 Kamala Harris’ unexpected crypto appeal in her new “opportunity agenda for Black men,” which includes a vague promise for regulatory protection for digital assets.
🔹 Memecoins vs. VC Coins: Murad’s thesis on memecoins outshining VC-backed tokens sparks a heated debate on whether financial nihilism is driving this trend and what it means for the future of crypto investing.
🔹With the new Unichain possibly diverting DeFi liquidity, the crew ponders whether Ethereum is at risk of losing its dominance as the “home of DeFi.”
Hosts
⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly
⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly
⭐️Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate
⭐️Tarun Chitra, Managing Partner at Robot Ventures
Disclosures
Timestamps
00:00 Intro
2:10 The Memecoin Supercycle
9:13 VC Coins vs. Memecoins
25:30 Unichain: A New Era for Uniswap
31:51 Token Issuance on Ethereum vs. L2s
35:59 Uniswap's Future and Asset Creation
38:30 Predictions for Unichain's Impact
44:11 Retail Flow and MEV Extraction
53:31 Kamala Harris' Crypto Policy
56:05 Trump vs. Harris
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