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And now for something (almost) completely different.
Welcome to Out of Scope, a new sub-series where Austin and Tori Pastore (aka Birb Bernake) riff with guests on hot takes from the frontiers of tech, finance, policy, and whatever else is the flavor of the week In this debut episode, they sit down with Austin Campbell to discuss... quite a few things: running stablecoin reserves, repealing the 17th Amendment, why banks resemble cartels, insider trading, market structure, why regulators should be paid more and held to higher standards, modernizing the BSA, and—most importantly—a definitive ranking of video conferencing tools.
00:00 - Introducing Tori
01:24 - Chinese Peptides Explained
02:45 - GLP 1 Hype Cycle
05:40 - Peptides and Food Science
10:49 - Enter Austin Campbell
16:11- Stablecoin Reserve Rules
20:35 - Gold Doom Scenarios
22:59 - Banks' Payment Monopoly
34:38 - AI Lobbying and EA critiques
38:20 - Prediction Markets Incentives
43:59 - Fixing Regulator Accountability
47:39 - Prediction Markets
48:47 - Market Manipulation Debate
59:54 - Perps Versus Futures
01:02:51 - Assassination Markets Debate
01:06:21 - Austin's Magic Wand Reforms
01:10:40 - Blooper Reel
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In this episode, Austin chats with Mert about why privacy is becoming essential for crypto and on-chain finance. They discuss how ZK-based privacy works via shielded pools, commitments, proofs, and nullifiers, contrasting it with Monero’s probabilistic obfuscation. Mert explains Zcash’s renewed adoption through improved usability, macro and regulatory shifts, and fairer historical distribution. He argues privacy layers fail when they lack tangible benefits, and outlines a new fully on-chain, composable, atomic privacy protocol for Solana built with Light Protocol’s compression approach, including permissionless and enterprise “zones” with configurable compliance features and reduced MEV via encrypted swaps.
00:00 - Why Privacy Matters
03:05 - Zcash And ZK Origins
06:26 - How Shielded Pools Work
09:56 - Why Zcash Broke Out
15:52 - Why Privacy Layers Fail
19:47 - Solana Privacy Protocol
22:57 - Composability Breakthrough
25:51 - Go-To-Market Plan
30:50 - Compliance And Zones
32:40 - Onchain Versus Off Chain
34:58 - Zcash And Solana’s Future
40:29 - Bitcoin Privacy And Quantum
43:48 - Closing And Where To Find
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In this episode, Austin chats with Seth (Cake Wallet) about why privacy is gaining traction after years of being niche, tracing Seth’s entry through Monero and other privacy-preserving products. They compare Zcash’s seemingly influencer-driven pump with Monero’s quieter but rising real-world usage, discuss Cake Wallet’s UX-driven approach (including enforced auto-shielding for Zcash), and debate how criminal adoption can actually validate that privacy tools work in adversarial settings while emphasizing legitimate use cases and storytelling. They explore why app-layer privacy on major L1s has weak adoption versus privacy-native L1s, the importance of defaults, and what’s next for privacy in DeFi and stablecoins.
00:00 - Seth’s Personal and Professional Privacy Journey
05:53 - Zcash vs Monero Adoption
09:51 - Crime Compliance and Privacy Ethics
15:25 - Why Privacy-Preserving Wallet UX Has Lagged
20:49 - Privacy L1s vs. App-Layer Privacy
27:30 - What’s Next Private DeFi
30:07 - Why Monero Has Survived CEX Delistings
32:35 - Privacy in the Age of AI Surveillance
41:51 - Conclusion
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In this episode, Austin chats with Emmett Hollyer about the evolution and future of Solana Mobile. They reflect on how the successes and missteps of the Saga phone informed the more refined Seeker, with a focus on improvements in design, pricing, and usability. Emmett discusses scaling production to meet over 100,000 preorders, strategies for attracting developers, and the rationale behind launching a token to align incentives across the ecosystem. The conversation also explores plans to expand beyond in-house devices through partnerships with Android manufacturers, positioning Solana Mobile as a broader crypto platform rather than just a hardware company.
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In this episode, Austin chats with Rahul Jain (Head of Trading at Ellipsis Labs) to explore the evolution of market making in crypto. Rahul discusses what gives crypto market makers an edge, why being early matters, and how crypto has created new challenges around MEV, transaction landing, and execution. They explore the future prospects of prop AMMs, perps, MCP, and what it will take for on-chain finance to scale beyond crypto-native users and compete with traditional markets.
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In this episode, Austin sits down with Brennan to unpack Constellation, Solana’s latest market structure proposal, and what it could mean for the network’s future. The conversation centers on Brennan’s perspective on why Solana’s current leader-based design creates challenges around transaction ordering, predictability, and censorship resistance, and how Constellation aims to address those issues through a new multi-proposer framework. They explore the trade-offs between latency, complexity, and fairness, debate whether the proposal strikes the right balance for traders and validators, and discuss how it fits into Solana’s broader roadmap.
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In this first part in a series of debates on Constellation (Anza's MCP proposal), Austin chats with Ben from Temporal. The conversation focuses on Ben’s measured critical perspective, highlighting his concerns around the proposal’s trade-offs, including added complexity, potential unintended effects on market structure, and whether alternative approaches could achieve similar gains in censorship resistance and throughput. They dig into the proposal’s underlying motivation, debate whether current limitations in Solana’s architecture are being correctly diagnosed, and explore what these design decisions could mean for the next generation of on-chain trading and market infrastructure.
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In this episode, we sit down with the team behind MegaETH to discuss the launch of their mainnet and the vision for a new generation of high-performance Layer 2 blockchains. We explore how MegaETH is pushing block times into the millisecond range, what that means for onchain markets, and why ultra-low latency could fundamentally change blockspace auctions and transaction ordering. The conversation also covers token utility, sequencer incentives, fraud proof security, and why the long-term endgame for rollups is real-time ZK proving. We also dive into the practical challenges of building high-performance crypto infrastructure — from co-location and distributed RPC networks to designing an ecosystem that can actually take advantage of that speed.
To learn more about MegaETH, check out:
https://www.megaeth.com/
https://rabbithole.megaeth.com/
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In this episode, Austin chats with Pranav Raval (Aptos Labs) about Shelby, a new decentralized storage protocol designed to address the performance and cost limitations of earlier decentralized storage systems. The conversation dives into Shelby’s architecture and market opportunities. Unlike previous systems that rely on unreliable “spare capacity” nodes, Shelby uses professionally operated data centers, erasure coding for reliability, and incentives for fast data retrieval. This design enables new use cases beyond simple file storage, including verifiable advertising analytics, IP-protected generative media, AI data marketplaces, and distributed AI inference at the network edge. Pranav explains how Shelby can position itself as infrastructure for data-intensive applications—especially those driven by AI—while offering an alternative to the expensive egress fees and regional data silos of traditional cloud providers.
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In this episode, Austin talks with Anthony, Executive Director of Wyoming’s Stable Token Commission, about how Wyoming became the first U.S. state to issue its own government-backed stablecoin. They discuss the state’s decade-long push into crypto policy, why Wyoming chose to operate digital financial infrastructure instead of just regulating it, and how the Frontier Stable Token is designed to be fully backed, legally neutral, and usable for any lawful purpose. The conversation covers constitutional safeguards around privacy and due process, how reserves generate public revenue, and why a small, agile state may be uniquely positioned to experiment with on-chain money—offering a glimpse into what the future of state finance could look like.
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In this episode, Austin chats with Santiago Roel Santos, founder of Inversion, discussing why crypto has struggled to reach mainstream adoption and what it will take to change that. Santiago explains how Inversion applies a private-equity-style model to deploy capital into real-world use cases, rather than chasing speculative cycles. He outlines why stablecoins are emerging as crypto’s strongest product-market fit, what infrastructure still needs to mature, and how regulatory clarity is shaping global distribution. The conversation also covers chain selection, the limits of “casino onboarding,” and why genuine adoption depends on building products that solve practical problems for people and businesses.
00:00 - Understanding Inversion and Its Origins
07:18 - Crypto's Consumer to Enterprise Shift
12:59 - Interoperability and Choosing the Right Blockchain
17:16 - Private Equity in a High Interest Rate Environment
20:16 - Distribution vs. Product in Crypto
25:50 - The Future of Crypto and Stablecoins
33:19 - Global Economic Power and Technology
35:51 - Crypto's Impact on Corporate Structures
40:32 - Tokenized Stocks and Market Access
48:02 - Advice for Founders in the Crypto Space
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In this episode, Austin chats with Sid Powell, co-founder and CEO of Maple Finance, to explore how institutional credit is moving on-chain. Sid breaks down how Maple has facilitated over $5 billion in loans, how it manages risk and transparency in a post–Celsius world, and what’s next for tokenized private credit. We also discuss stablecoins, regulation, and how crypto finance is maturing for the long term.
00:00 - Understanding Maple Finance
02:03 - Comparing Maple to Celsius
09:39 - Institutional Clientele
16:42 - Maple's Navigation of Different Blockchain Ecosystems
22:58 - The Case for Vertical Integration
23:57 - Challenges in Financial Services
25:12 - Crypto's Overall Growth
26:49 - The Future of Banking and Crypto Adoption
30:57 - Stablecoins and Cross-Border Payments
38:21 - Automation and Efficiency in Crypto Lending
44:00 - Conclusion
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In this episode, Kevin Bowers returns to explain Jump's expansion from trading to core infrastructure, centered on what he calls the "great inversion": the real bottleneck in tech isn't compute, but data and I/O. He introduces Shelby, a new storage network, as a direct challenge to the "Hotel California for Data" model used by cloud providers. This same focus on efficient data flow—not just processing power—was the key to scaling Solana with Fire Dancer. Finally, Kevin explains how FPGAs from high-frequency trading are the critical hardware solution, allowing blockchains to bypass software's inefficient "Tower of Babel" and "get close to the wire" for true high performance.
00:00 - Expanding Beyond Trading and the Vision for Shelby
02:31 - Challenges in Storage and Data Management
04:37 - Building High-Performance Systems
08:04 - The Evolution of Jump's Technology
11:55 - The Economics of Cloud Storage
29:07 - Fire Dancer and Frankendancer
42:03 - The Cost of Optimization
42:48 - Machine Learning and Custom Networks
43:47 - Project Prioritization and Entropy
46:48 - Challenges in High-Performance Computing
56:38 - The Role of FPGAs in Trading and Blockchain
01:13:45 - Future of Hardware Acceleration in Blockchain
01:18:54 -Conclusion and Final Thoughts
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In this episode, Austin chats with Michael Repetny, a core contributor to Marinade. They discuss the history and technical details of Marinade, its role in the Solana ecosystem, and its approach to staking. Michael covers Marinade's origins in a 2021 hackathon, the development of its custom stake pool contract, and its early competition with Lido. The conversation addresses the evolution of validator economics on Solana, the impact of MEV and priority fees, and Marinade's response to sandwich attacks. They also discuss the protocol's products, including its liquid staking token (mSOL) and Marinade Native, a non-custodial delegation service. The episode concludes with a discussion on preparing for institutional adoption, the role of LSTs in ETFs, and the process of getting SOC 2 compliance.
00:00 – Marinade’s Origins and Early Days
03:11 – Building on Solana
07:09 – Competing with Lido and the Importance of Community
10:59 – The Changing Economics of Staking
14:45 – Stake Pools, Yield, and Market Transparency
19:17 – The Marinade Marketplace
23:21 – Protected Staking Rewards & Validator Bonds
27:19 – Marinade Native
32:18 – ETFs, Institutions, and the Future of Staking
38:34 – Security, Compliance, and SOC 2 in Crypto
43:59 – The Future of Marinade and Solana Staking
46:59 – How to Get Involved with Marinade & Closing
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DISCLAIMER
The content herein is provided for educational, informational, and entertainment purposes only, and does not constitute an offer to sell or a solicitation of an offer to buy any securities, options, futures, or other derivatives related to securities in any jurisdiction, nor should not be relied upon as advice to buy, sell or hold any of the foregoing. This content is intended to be general in nature and is not specific to you, the user or anyone else. You should not make any decision, financial, investment, trading or otherwise, based on any of the information presented without undertaking independent due diligence and consultation with a professional advisor. Solana Foundation Foundation and its agents, advisors, council members, officers and employees (the “Foundation Parties”) make no representation or warranties, expressed or implied, as to the accuracy of the information herein and expressly disclaims any and all liability that may be based on such information or any errors or omissions therein. The Foundation Parties shall have no liability whatsoever, under contract, tort, trust or otherwise, to any person arising from or related to the content or any use of the information contained herein by you or any of your representatives. All opinions expressed herein are the speakers’ own personal opinions and do not reflect the opinions of any entities.
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In this episode, Austin chats with Tristan (Bullet) to discuss the significant evolution of decentralized finance (DeFi), particularly focusing on the re-emergence of Central Limit Order Books (CLOBs) and the innovative development of Bullet on Solana. Tristan dives into the history of order books, their challenges in the DeFi space, and the technological advancements that are now overcoming these obstacles. They explore the unique position Bullet occupies in the Solana ecosystem, advancements in smart contract programming, the importance of co-location for trading efficiency, and the promise of ZK proofs for verifiable off-chain compute. Additionally, they cover how Bullet seeks to provide superior user experience without compromising on performance, aiming to compete with centralized exchanges while leveraging the transparency and security of blockchain technology
00:00 - The Return of CLOBs to DeFI
01:43 - Challenges of On-Chain Order Books
03:42 - Innovations in DeFi and Solana's Role
08:30 - How Zeta Became Bullet
11:39 - Decentralization vs. Performance
15:04 - Exploring Different Models for Order Books
23:24 - Challenges in Centralized and Decentralized Trading
24:15 - Solana's Trading Model and Its Impact
25:52 - Pitching to Professional Traders
26:37 - Technical Aspects and Integration
28:25 - Market Dynamics and Maker Strategies
31:39 - Performance Metrics and Optimization
36:48 - Data Access and Fairness in Trading
40:34 - Upcoming Developments and Testnet
42:30 - Conclusion
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DBA co-founder John Charbonneau discusses his journey from TradFi to crypto, detailing his evolution from an Ethereum maximalist to a multi-chain pragmatist. He argues that as the crypto market matures beyond hype cycles, real revenue and cash flow are becoming key valuation metrics. He points to Hyperliquid's controversial rise as a prime example of the industry's struggle with decentralization, noting the irony of Solana advocates lodging critiques once used against them. Looking ahead, Charbonneau predicts successful protocols will adopt traditional functions like customer support and investor relations, viewing regulatory clarity as vital for the industry's future health and transparency.
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In this episode, Kash Dhanda of Jupiter shares his crypto career journey and his unique role blending content creation with product strategy. He delves into Jupiter's unconventional organizational structure, explaining how it fuels their rapid product development and acquisition strategy. Kash highlights the reasoning behind key initiatives such as the Drip House acquisition and Jupiter Lend, underscoring their commitment to long-term growth. The conversation also addresses the challenges of serving a diverse user base, from crypto novices to seasoned traders, and Jupiter's dedication to community support.
DISCLAIMER The content herein is provided for educational, informational, and entertainment purposes only, and does not constitute an offer to sell or a solicitation of an offer to buy any securities, options, futures, or other derivatives related to securities in any jurisdiction, nor should not be relied upon as advice to buy, sell or hold any of the foregoing. This content is intended to be general in nature and is not specific to you, the user or anyone else. You should not make any decision, financial, investment, trading or otherwise, based on any of the information presented without undertaking independent due diligence and consultation with a professional advisor. Solana Foundation Foundation and its agents, advisors, council members, officers and employees (the “Foundation Parties”) make no representation or warranties, expressed or implied, as to the accuracy of the information herein and expressly disclaims any and all liability that may be based on such information or any errors or omissions therein. The Foundation Parties shall have no liability whatsoever, under contract, tort, trust or otherwise, to any person arising from or related to the content or any use of the information contained herein by you or any of your representatives. All opinions expressed herein are the speakers’ own personal opinions and do not reflect the opinions of any entities.
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In this episode, Austin and Peter Van Valkenburgh Coin Center's mission and the critical role of educating policymakers. The discussion spans over Coin Center's inception, its efforts in shaping sound crypto regulations, and its battles against adverse policies. Peter sheds light on Coin Center's ongoing lawsuits, the implications of recent DOJ guidance, and the controversy surrounding meme coins in American politics. Peter also provides insights into future challenges and opportunities in crypto regulation, emphasizing the vital importance of nuanced policies that balance innovation with oversight. Whether you're a crypto enthusiast, policymaker, or just curious about the intersections of technology and regulation, this episode offers valuable perspectives.
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In this episode, Austin chats with Ouriel Ohayon (Zengo) about the evolving landscape of crypto wallets and wallet security. The conversation dives into the history and challenges of crypto custody solutions, from the problems with centralized custodians and self-custody methods to the sophistication of hacking groups. Ouriel discusses how Zengo is tackling these issues with their MPC wallets where there's "nothing to give away". He provides insights on the unique security features of Zengo, such as its passwordless experience, recovery protocols, theft protection, and physical attack safeguards. The episode also explores the business model of crypto wallets and how they can generate revenue while maintaining user experience and security.
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