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Do you shy away from cold calling for fear of rejection? Or, do you think cold calling is dead in the digital age? Today’s guest runs an SEO agency that grew from a small project with four clients to a full-service agency. Discover how a focused cold-calling campaign landed him seventeen clients in his first month.
In this episode, youl will also learn the reason he prioritizes culture fit over impressive resumes in his hiring process, why he believes relying on just one lead source is playing a dangerous game, and why he believes that open communication is the key to building trust with clients.
Marc Brookland, the owner of SEO Locale, a full-service digital marketing agency specializing in search engine optimization. He shares his journey into the world of SEO and how much things have changed in that field, from focusing on repeating a keyword as much as possible or having more backlinks than the next guy to a complex and sophisticated process to improve your website traffic. He also discusses the challenges he’s faced with hiring and ho open communication has shaped a trusting relationship with clients.
In this episode, we’ll discuss:
Building his agency on cold calling success.
Hiring for culture fit over skill set.
Why open communication doesn’t mean losing your agency’s 'secret sauce’
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Taking a Leap of Faith to Become an EntrepreneurWhen Marc landed his first SEO job, he discovered his true calling and began dreaming of running his own agency. It was there he met his future business partner, and together they started mapping out their entrepreneurial ambitions.
Though passionate about SEO, Marc soon felt constrained by the role's narrow focus and yearned to expand his digital marketing expertise. He left that agency to go work in-house, where he finally got to challenge himself being a team of one in charge of social media, website management, and SEO.
This was the test that convinced him that he could start his own business. He began taking on agency clients on the side, though still hesitant to fully embrace entrepreneurship, and accepted another in-house position. Fate intervened when his employer's pivot led to staff layoffs, presenting Marc with a choice: stay on as an employee or transition to a contractor role. Recognizing this as his opportunity to finally commit to his agency dreams, Marc chose the entrepreneurial path – and never looked back.
Agency Success Built on Cold CallsAlthough it started as a small operation, Marc spent the first month as an agency owner cold calling businesses and was able to bring seventeen clients with this strategy.
This campaign was undoubtedly a huge success thanks to his unwavering determination to connect with potential clients. Where many shy away from direct outreach due to fear of rejection, Marc embraced the challenge. It was also thanks to a methodical approach to identifying potential clients. By utilizing data scraping tools, he was able to target businesses that were likely to benefit from his services.
Interestingly, Marc's experience highlights a common misconception about cold calling which is cold calling is an outdated or ineffective strategy in today's digital age. In his opinion, agency owners can’t be afraid of sales because there’s no way around it if you’re starting your business from scratch.
Although it’s not something he’s revisited after the agency took off, cold calling provided him an opportunity for direct interaction, fostering relationships that can lead to long-term partnerships because the ability to engage authentically with potential clients can set a business apart from its competitors. Nowadays, SEO is his agency’s number one lead generator, followed by referrals and word of mouth.
The skills he honed in those early days—effective communication, resilience in the face of rejection, and the ability to identify and address client needs—remain integral to the agency's operations.
Hiring for Culture Over SkillsetHiring is one of the biggest challenges at Marc’s agency at this point of their growth. He and his partner are trying to focus on hiring the right people. For them, this means hiring people who fit into the agency’s culture. They’re much more interested in this than in hiring people with an impressive resume.
At the end of the day, skills can be taught, but intrinsic values and work ethic are often more difficult to instill and Marc is much more interested in finding individuals with a genuine drive and a willingness to learn, which is the sort of information you’ll probably won’t get in a resume.
Rather than partnering with recruiting firms, Marc has built a successful hiring pipeline through Indeed, LinkedIn, and his extensive professional network. The majority of applications come through Indeed, where Marc and his team have honed their ability to identify promising candidates.
However, with a large volume of applications it can be better to set your standards very early in the application process by only reviewing applications that comply with parameters expressed in the job posting. This way, you’ll greatly reduce your workload by eliminating the candidates who not even bother to read the full description.
How Open Communication Leads to Stronger Client RelationshipsTo Marc, communication is an active process that involves educating clients about the work being done on their behalf and being consequent with this has shaped his agency’s growth is his relationships with clients.
The most common complaint raised against agencies is that clients feel in the dark regarding the work being done. This could stem from a fear of sharing too much of their process and then lose clients as they set off to do that work themselves. However, Marc has found that the more agencies communicate and educate clients the more they’ll trust you as they feel more involved in the process.
This involvement can take many forms, such as regular updates, detailed reports, or even educational sessions that explain the strategies being employed. When clients understand the rationale behind the work, they are more likely to appreciate the efforts being made on their behalf.
Furthermore, many clients may not have a background in marketing or digital strategy, leading to confusion about the value of certain actions. By taking the time to explain these concepts in an accessible manner, agencies can empower clients with knowledge, making them feel more invested in the partnership.
Don’t be afraid to give some “secret sauce” by explaining and demystifying your processes. In the end, everyone’s process is pretty much the same. Your real secret sauce is your people and how they treat the client and that’s what you should protect.
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Are you caught in the challenging "no-man's land" of agency ownership—where growth meets gridlock? Despite years of management experience, today's guest discovered that running a digital agency demanded more than strategic acumen alone. His journey reveals the often-overlooked complexities of agency leadership that can transform an owner's dream into an operational maze.
Although he felt comfortable making the strategic decisions as a manager, as an owner he found himself pulled in countless directions. From juggling legal complications, financial decisions, and HR responsibilities—areas far removed from his core strengths and passion for marketing strategy. In the end, he recognized the only way through was setting up the right processes for the agency to grow without him and ultimate decided to sell. Tune in to learn about building a successful marketing agency and the principles that guide his approach to client service.
Robert Royer is the Founder & President of Building Brands Marketing, a full-service marketing consulting agency based in Victoria, Texas. For over 17 years, Royer worked in leadership positions for companies across South Texas building hundreds of marketing strategies for small to large businesses and ultimately worked his way up to starting his own business.
Building Brands Marketing has grown to over 25 employees in that time frame, seeing a rapid growth during the pandemic. Recently, he decided to sell and will talk all about what led to this decision.
In this episode, we’ll discuss:
From acquisitions plan to a successful exit.
Liberating yourself from agency ownership.
Being aware of the personal costs of agency ownership.
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Tearing Down One Business Plan and Pivoting to AnotherRobert started out selling newspaper ads looking for a way out of the restaurant industry. As newspapers pivoted to digital platforms, he found himself leading a digital agency. This experience provided invaluable insights and the confidence to eventually launch his own venture. In 2018, Building Brands Marketing was born, initially conceived as a lean, independent consulting agency focused on SEO and high-level strategic services.
However, Robert quickly discovered the limitations of a solo operation. Within just two months, he was referring out critical services like video production and website design. The solo work also exposed significant challenges: he lacked direct control over quality and was burning out, working an unsustainable 80-90 hours per week. Finally, he tore down his initial business model and went the route of the more traditional ad agency he thought he’d left behind.
Fortunately, his agency’s unique location in South Texas—an area with limited competition—became a strategic advantage that amplified his growth potential. In fact, the agency quickly attracted people with just the skills he needed, which was key in catapulting his agency just as the pandemic started.
From Acquisition Plans to a Successful ExitAfter years of strategic growth and careful positioning, Robert's entrepreneurial journey with Building Brands Marketing reached an unexpected but deliberate conclusion. Just seven years after launching, he made the strategic decision to sell the agency —a move driven by a profound understanding of his own strengths and limitations.
Basically, Robert felt he was holding the agency back and being pulled in too many directions to do things outside his zone of genius. To him, continuing to do things that occupied too much of his time and kept him from focusing on what he does best in the business was leading him to plateau. It also just seemed like the right move considering the synergy between his team and their now parent company.
It relations started out differently, with Robert and his partner looking at agencies to potentially acquire to grow the business. They wanted to scale and be able to focus on what they loved to do, which is the strategy and operational side of the business. The legal, finance, and HR isn’t what they excelled at so they focused on preparing SOPs and systems to hand off that part of the business to someone else.
The decision to sell was based on the synergy they shared with that company and the fact they’re a major player at the national scale. It was a good match, with them bringing value with their expertise as a small business division. The sale not only provided financial rewards but also positioned the agency for continued success under new leadership.
How to Liberate Yourself from Agency OwnershipWhy not just hire someone to take over those tasks? It wasn't a simple matter of outsourcing tasks, but a nuanced reflection of the complex challenges facing agency owners at a critical growth stage. At the cusp of $2-3 million in annual revenue, Robert confronted a common entrepreneurial dilemma: the financial limitations of building a comprehensive in-house team.
Fractional roles can be an interim solution but Robert saw significant drawbacks. Negative experiences led to exhaustive micromanagement, forcing him to constantly verify work quality. It all made him question whether it was possible to effectively bring those roles in-house. Additionally, as someone who ran other businesses, Robert doesn’t feel the need to control every single detail. He just wants to do what he loves and understands it may take sacrificing some things to bring that to fruition
As the agency grew, Robert found himself trapped in an increasingly unsustainable cycle. Despite managing more people and investing more hours, his financial returns remained stagnant, something that happens to many agency owners. At this stage, the business transforms from an exciting venture to a constraining operational burden.
Sustainable growth requires more than hard work—it demands strategic delegation, systematic process development, and the ability to communicate a compelling vision. By selling to Rossman Media Group, Robert chose a path that would liberate him from operational complexities while ensuring the agency's continued potential.
The Personal Cost of Building a Digital AgencyThe reality of growing an agency is fraught with challenges that demand significant sacrifices. From long hours to missed family moments, the path to success is paved with dedication, resilience, and a willingness to endure discomfort.
Robert recalls working tirelessly without a single day off, sacrificing precious time with his young son and forgoing holidays. This commitment is not uncommon among agency owners, who often find themselves entrenched in their work, especially during the formative years of their businesses. To him, the initial hustle is essential; it lays the groundwork for future growth and stability. However, it also requires a level of sacrifice that many may not fully comprehend before embarking on this entrepreneurial journey.
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Are you inadvertently holding your agency back? We are all guilty of it! Many agency owners eventually confront a challenging reality: they themselves are the primary bottleneck preventing their business from reaching its full potential. Today's featured agency owner has recognized this critical insight and is actively working to transform his approach. By strategically empowering his team and gradually delegating operational responsibilities, he is creating a pathway for the agency to expand beyond its current limitations. Hear an inspiring conversation about overcoming entrepreneurial challenges and unlocking an agency's true potential through intentional operational restructuring.
Steve Phipps is the founder of Wayfind Marketing, an agency that works with service-based seasoned B2B companies focusing on mapping out clients’ strategy, website, and content for sustainable growth and increased ROI. Steve discusses his journey into the world of digital marketing and shares the pivotal moment inspired him to launch his own agency in 2015.
He emphasizes the importance of strategy in marketing, explaining how his initial offering has evolved into a full-service agency. Listeners will gain insights into how agency owners can prepare the grounds to delegate effectively and stop being the bottlenecks preventing agency growth.
In this episode, we’ll discuss:
Getting out of your own way: breaking free from the founder’s bottleneck.
Leading with a clear vision to ensure your team’s success.
Empowering your sales team to make the process their own.
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Breaking Free from Founder's Bottleneck by Facing the Delegation DilemmaSteve's career took an unexpected turn in 2011 when he transitioned from a corporate digital marketing role to an agency position. His talent and dedication quickly propelled him to the position of VP, where he envisioned a long-term future. However, a sudden turn of events—the unexpected passing of the agency owner and finding himself in line to buy that business.— Although the deal fell through, Steve realized he was ready to step out on his own and launched Wayfine Marketing.
With a strong focus on strategy, he tailored the agency's services to service-based B2B companies, helping them transform scattered marketing efforts into cohesive, lead-generating strategies.
However, as the business grew, he encountered a familiar challenge: he became a bottleneck in his own processes. The strategy development process for clients became a significant source of strain. Despite having a capable team, Steve found himself deeply involved in the intricacies of creating strategy decks, often resorting to late-night work sessions to meet client demands.
Recognizing the need for delegation, Steve is actively working to empower his team. He is committed to upskilling his team members, equipping them with the necessary tools and knowledge to handle strategic tasks. Hence, one of his current challenges is to rework the agency’s processes and systems to where he’s not involved in everything and can focus on the areas where he is strongest and rely on his team for everything else.
Leading with Purpose: How A Clear Mission Drives Team SuccessOne of Steve's primary goals is to equip his team with the ability to make informed decisions that align with the agency's overarching objectives. By fostering a shared understanding of the agency's mission and goals, he aims to create a culture of clarity and purpose.
When team members grasp the agency's "North Star," they are better positioned to evaluate opportunities and challenges critically. They can ask themselves: "Does this align with our mission?" and "Is this beneficial to our agency?" By encouraging these thought processes, leaders can ensure that everyone is working towards a common goal.
A clear mission statement serves as a roadmap, guiding the agency's growth and providing team members with a sense of direction. When employees understand the agency's trajectory and their role within it, they are more likely to take ownership of their responsibilities, leading to increased accountability and initiative.
The next step will be to record yourself doing a task you never want to do again. By documenting processes and sharing insights, leaders can create a repository of knowledge that becomes accessible to the entire team and fosters an environment where team members can learn from past experiences, both successes and failures, and apply those lessons to future challenges.
3 Steps to Train an Agency Salesperson for SuccessThe level of alignment you’ll need to build out your processes in a way that you can be sure the agency can run without you will require hiring integrators who can handle daily operations and management and are adept at managing processes and people.
Success Stories. When it comes to preparing your sales team, start by sharing the stories they’ll need to relate to clients and earn their trust. After decades of business ownership, agency owners commonly amass a wealth of knowledge and anecdotes that serve as valuable tools in client interactions. Separate those stories from your personal experience and start teaching them to your team as a way to gain the clients’ trust while they gain experience and, little by little, start creating their own stories.
Initial Calls. Once your team has a solid foundation of knowledge and skills, it's time to transition them into a more active role. Begin by training them to conduct initial client calls, providing them with a script and key talking points. Have them shadow you on these calls to observe your techniques and gain practical experience.
Increase Autonomy. As they become more confident, allow them to take the lead on calls while you listen in. This approach provides an opportunity for real-time feedback and guidance. Continue this process throughout the entire sales cycle, gradually increasing their autonomy. Soon they’ll be confident enough to sell with only bringing you in to add color, where needed.
Remember, learning is often accompanied by mistakes. Encourage your team to embrace these setbacks as opportunities for growth. By reviewing recorded calls together, you can identify areas for improvement and provide constructive feedback.
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Is your team leveraging AI beyond basic content creation? Did you know your sales process can be more efficient with the help of AI? While many agencies focus on AI's obvious applications, today's guest reveals a more innovative approach: using artificial intelligence to mine the wealth of unstructured data generated during sales interactions. By capturing and analyzing these often-overlooked conversations, his agency has discovered valuable insights that are transforming their sales process. In our fascinating discussion, we'll explore how AI is revolutionizing not just data analysis, but the entire advertising landscape. This interview is an in-depth conversation about the convergence of technology, community building, and cutting-edge marketing strategies.
Andrew Eklund is the founder and CEO of Ciceron, a digital agency that excels at amplifying brands by creating bespoke audiences and activating them in the places they are. He shares insights from his journey in the digital landscape, starting from the dawn of the public internet and his early experiences with AOL. He discusses the evolution of his agency from his first clients to now specializing in applying advanced AI to audience segmentation and modeling, and shares what he predicts will and won’t change about our current use of AI in advertising and sales.
In this episode, we’ll discuss:
Turning sales conversations into strategic assets with AI.
Why unlocking the capabilities of AI requires engagement.
Harnessing AI for sales success.
How AI could change advertising for good.
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Educating Clients to Embrace New TechnologyAndrew’s pioneering spirit led him to start his agency almost thirty years ago at the dawn of the public internet, back when a digital agency basically set up people’s first email address and websites.
Starting out when people still didn’t know very much about the internet, Andrew often had to overcome skepticism about the viability of online business. His determination to prove that people would eventually embrace e-commerce, despite widespread hesitance to share credit card information online, led him to establish IndieSonic, one of the first independent music online portals. This venture not only validated his predictions but also provided a tangible example to clients of the digital marketplace's potential.
Even with this willingness to engage clients in e-commerce during a time of skepticism, it took many years for most to start embracing it. During the dotcom crash, many predicted the internet's demise and a return to traditional business models. Yet ironically, this period coincided with the emergence of today's tech giants, who would ultimately transform the digital landscape forever.
Turning Daily Sales Conversations into Strategic AssetsBack in 2022, when ChatGPT 3.5 came out, Andrew gathered his team and explained that whatever the future with AI was, they had to be all in on it. To him this was without a doubt the direction things were headed as soon as the technology became available.
He wanted his team to be prepared for a future where platforms like Google and Meta would have features to basically automate their jobs. Instead of rejecting that future, they should embrace it before clients did.
Initially, his team used ChatGPT in the obvious ways, like creating the ad copy. However, it wasn’t the most exciting way to use this technology. Andrew wanted to put it to work in areas where humans struggled so he focused on using it on the often-overlooked and unstructured data generated during human interactions, particularly in sales environments.
When salespeople engage with clients, they gather valuable insights about customer perceptions, needs, and preferences—information that is rarely documented in formal data sets. This intellectual capital, if left unharvested, evaporates daily, representing a missed opportunity for organizations to refine their strategies and improve their offerings.
Now Andrew’s team has implemented a system known as the "intelligence hub," which serves as a central repository for various data sources, including recordings of sales calls. By utilizing AI to analyze these recordings, he can extract meaningful insights that inform sales training, marketing strategies, and product development and captures intellectual capital to transform it into actionable intelligence that drives business success.
Why Experimentation is the Key to Unlocking the True Capabilities of AILike many of these AI innovations ChatGPT seems to have gone down in quality over the past year. AI models are not static entities; they require active engagement and adaptation to deliver meaningful results and while it can process vast amounts of data, the quality of its output is heavily dependent on the input it receives and the manner in which queries are structured.
Andrew's approach to these language models is to address them like he would any employee and letting them know they’ve failed at effectively answering a prompt, so it’ll record that failure and provide better results next time.
Moreover, his perspective on the integration of AI models is that there’s no need to stick to just one when they each have varying capabilities. Models like Llama and Gemini offer superior integration with platforms like Google Drive, but may also lack essential features. Hence, businesses must remain agile, willing to explore different models and their functionalities to find the best fit for their specific needs.
Don’t shy away from experimenting with different setups and integrations, especially if you run a small or medium-sized business and don’t have a deep IT infrastructure. Maintain an open mind towards the evolving capabilities of AI. Many users may dismiss a model based on a single poor experience, failing to recognize that AI technology is continually advancing. The technology will get better with time and, meanwhile, remember that longer, more nuanced prompts yield better results and experimentation is the key to unlocking the full potential of AI tools.
Harnessing AI for Sales SuccessOne area where not enough agency owners are using AI to improve their agency’s performance is sales, where they can use AI insights to significantly enhance the efficiency and effectiveness of the sales processes.
One of the primary advantages of utilizing AI in sales is its ability to analyze vast amounts of data to identify patterns and trends that human analysts might overlook. Sales managers can employ AI to examine recorded sales calls alongside performance metrics from CRM systems like Salesforce. This way, your team can analyze which calls led to conversions and which did not and sales leaders can gain insights into effective communication strategies and customer preferences.
Moreover, AI can assist in filtering and analyzing leads more effectively so sales teams can prioritize their outreach to those with the highest likelihood of conversion, thereby improving overall efficiency.
The Future of AI and Data PrivacySince the 1990s, when Andrew began helping businesses establish an online presence, he has encountered a common concern among clients - the fear of exposing sensitive information on the internet, where competitors could access and leverage it.
However, as clients learned the importance of SEO and realized their lack of content was hindering website traffic, they became more willing to embrace digital marketing strategies.
Looking ahead, Andrew foresees a future where AI models could replace traditional search engines. Instead of searching, consumers will rely on AI assistants that not only answer queries but also provide relevant context.
As AI-driven insights become more prevalent, often informed by user-generated content rather than brand narratives, companies will have greater incentives to share their data with these models.
Yet, Andrew cautions that not all information should be openly shared with AI. He advocates for the use of private AI platforms, where companies can download and apply open-source models like Llama to their internal networks. While this is not yet widespread, Andrew believes it represents the future of AI-driven business intelligence.
Will People See Less Advertisement?In Andrew’s opinion, people will continue to be bombarded by advertising for the time being. While advertising agencies must reach their audience, they should do so without being intrusive. He points to Instagram as a successful example, where users actually embrace advertising because of its relevance to their interests. The platform's ability to understand user preferences and recommend desired products has transformed it into a shopping destination, delivering real value to consumers.
Looking ahead, Andrew predicts that over the next five years, AI will revolutionize the economics of advertising. This technology will enable more precise targeting at current cost levels, shifting the focus from broad, low-quality impressions to highly targeted advertising aimed at the individuals who matter.
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Have you mastered the art of always obtaining the client's budget? Are you ready to elevate your pricing strategy and focus on quality over quantity? There are certain things that will only get easier with experience. Yet, all agency owners should be aware of how crucial it is to adapt your pricing model and client acquisition strategy to ensure long-term success. Today’s featured guest started his agency in 1997 and has learned a lot about the milestones that changed his agency’s growth path, the things that had to change along the way, and why continuous improvement and evolving capabilities are the best way to adapt to a changing market. Tune in to learn more about the challenges and triumphs of building a successful agency, the pricing strategies that have kept his agency afloat, how he is navigating a recent acquisition, and the improvements yet to be made to cement his agency’s brand.
James Pietruszynski is the CEO of SoulSight, a full-service brand design agency that collaborates with partners to deliver visionary work with a soulful approachability. With 27 years of experience, James shares insights into the evolution of his agency. He reflects on the milestones that have defined his growth journey, the lessons about understanding the value you bring to clients to grow beyond a certain point, what he’s learned from a recent acquisition, and more.
In this episode, we’ll discuss:
The factors that drove his agency acquisition.
Strategies to create sustained agency success.
Why you should be raising prices instead of taking on new clients.
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Continuous Improvement, Acquisitions, and Evolving Capabilities as the Pillars of Enduring SuccessCurrently running an agency that is well over the eight-figure mark, James looks back on starting in 1997 and the many milestones that mark this journey, measured primarily through the caliber of clients and strength of brand relationships. One of their first big moments was winning major client Molson Coors, which marked their entry into the realm of Fortune 100 brands.
This initial breakthrough catalyzed the agency's expansion as they continued to grow with a focus on client retention, with some client partnerships spanning two decades, a testament to their commitment to excellence.
As a team, they set their long-term goals through a three-year planning process, where they anticipate potential challenges and identify opportunities for growth. They evaluate what they know and make predictable assumptions of what may happen and then focus on things that need to change and improve to be more efficient.
At the heart of their continued success lies a commitment to evolution and adaptation. James regularly assesses internal capabilities and actively seeks opportunities for enhancement, whether through restructuring creative teams, streamlining operations, or pursuing strategic acquisitions. A recent example is their acquisition of a wellness-focused brand design agency—a strategic move that not only expands their service portfolio but also strengthens their ability to meet clients' changing needs.
Chemistry and Retention as Factors Driving an Agency’s Acquisition StrategyWhen acquiring another agency, always take the time to ensure that the values, mission, and vision of both organizations align. For James, chemistry and retention were the most important elements he looked for in an ideal partner, not only for a successful acquisition process but also to foster long-term relationships that drive sustainable growth.
If this chemistry extends beyond just the leadership and through the entire organization, it will influence how teams interact and collaborate post-acquisition, ensuring a smoother transition and integration. As to the second element, Jim was looking for an agency demonstrating five to seven years of client retention.
When it came time to negotiate the purchase, he favored an earn-out model, which has proven consistently effective in his experience. For the most part, he found that the agency partners and leadership team had no problem sticking around after the purchase to help grow the agency so he worked with the leadership team to structure a deal that included both upfront cash and performance-based incentives to ensure they remained motivated to grow the business.
Although it’s not for everyone, for James this model not only protects the acquiring agency’s investment but also fosters a sense of shared purpose and commitment among the teams involved. It reinforces the idea that both parties have a stake in the ongoing success of the agency, thereby enhancing retention on both sides.
Leaving Behind RFPs to Create Sustained Agency SuccessAlthough RFPs were more credible twenty years ago and their first big break with Molson Coors did come as the result of a well-put-together RFP, James believes currently most of their business comes organically through relationships.
By this point in his agency’s growth the team doesn’t participate in many RFPs a year. Agencies nowadays dare to say no to most RFPs, which can serve as a jump-off point to sell a foot-in-the-door strategy and stand out from anybody that is just wasting time preparing that RFP. With this, you’ll already be on their radar and they’ll be much more likely to pay for your services again.
On the other hand, he does acknowledge his agency could be a brand name by now had they focused more on their own marketing to build their reputation. As the work poured in, client work would always take priority, leaving them less and less time to even plan their own marketing strategy.
The challenge of balancing client work with internal marketing efforts is a double-edged sword. Focusing on client needs is no doubt essential for immediate business success; however, neglecting self-promotion can create bottlenecks in growth and limit the agency's visibility in a competitive market.
Jim is now more focused on putting a renewed effort into the agency’s marketing, starting with its website. This will always be a challenge for agency owners but try to not fall into the trap of becoming so client-centric that they lose sight of their own brand identity.
The Art of the Budget Conversation: How to Set Realistic ExpectationsJim prefers to charge hourly rates, which in his view reflects a commitment to transparency and accountability in pricing. Hourly billing can provide clients with a clearer understanding of the time and resources invested in their projects, reinforcing the value delivered. However, it also necessitates that agencies effectively communicate the rationale behind their rates and the expected outcomes, so clients feel confident in their investment.
Obtaining a clear understanding of the client's budget is a critical, yet often overlooked, part of the process. When agencies inquire about budgets upfront, they are frequently met with reluctance, which may stem from the client's desire to gauge the agency's pricing structure without revealing their own financial limitations. In these situations, ask for a budgetary range, even if the client is hesitant to provide specifics. This at least gives the agency a general sense of the client's spending intentions, allowing them to tailor their proposals accordingly. Start with the biggest number “Do you want to spend $1 milion? 100K? 10K?”
Alternatively, present them a new option of buying a strategy session where you help them figure out their goals and gain more clarity. This way, you’ll be positioning yourself as an authority with this foot-on-the-door and they’ll be more likely to hire you once they’ve already established a client relationship.
If they can’t commit to do any of this then they might not be the best client for you, as they lack a basic understanding of what they’re willing to invest on the project. Establishing a budgetary framework early on is essential for setting realistic expectations and ensuring that both the agency and the client are aligned in their goals.
Strategies to Build a Sustainable Agency Business in a Post-Pandemic LandscapeIn the aftermath of the COVID-19 pandemic, James has faced the challenge of agencies lowballing their prices far below what they should be charging. This has at times cost his agency business opportunities, with clients citing his agency's prices as too expensive. However, James recognizes that the right clients will always be willing to pay for the value his agency provides.
In fact, losing business because of price more often than not can be a sign that you’re not properly explaining your process. Work on explaining the results and success you can help bring clients and you’ll get them excited to pay your prices because they’ll recognize the value you’ll be bringing to their business.
Along with the price increases, growing your agency will also lead to taking on fewer clients than you did in previous years. There’s a misconception that agencies must double their client roster to achieve significant revenue increases. Instead, focus on acquiring fewer clients but at higher price points. You’ll get to this point by concentrating your efforts on that your agency truly excels at to more effectively showcase your value.
Other than that, he has been focusing on streamlining processes, making informed decisions quickly, and building strong relationships with clients who can be brand champions within client organizations. This way, agencies can gain insights into pricing thresholds and client expectations so they can better serve their clients while also justifying their pricing structures.
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Are you tired of the endless cycle of client demands and shrinking margins? Is your agency struggling to differentiate itself in a crowded market? How can you elevate your agency from a service provider to a strategic partner? Today's guest shares how he identified an untapped market opportunity that revolutionized his business approach and established his agency as a respected HubSpot and Shopify partner. His experience shows how focusing on internal brand strength, selective client relationships, and strategic pricing can transform an agency's profitability and market position and offers valuable insights for agency owners seeking to break free from the cycle of demanding clients and diminishing returns. Join us for an inspiring conversation about navigating career paths and the importance of adaptability in business.
Bob Afsari is the CEO and founder of Campaign Creators, a full-service digital marketing agency and HubSpot partner focused on helping their clients onboard and optimize their Hubspot environments. Bob shares his unconventional journey from studying neurobiology and working in molecular biology research to launching an agency in 2011. He reflects on the surprising turns of his career as well as expanding partnerships.
In this episode, we’ll discuss:
Shifting from retainers to productization to redefine agency success.
Finding the sweet spot between passion, skill, and value.
Why too many choices kill agency sales.
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Revolutionizing HubSpot and Shopify OnboardingBob's journey to agency ownership was anything but conventional. After earning a degree in Neurobiology, Physiology, and Behavioral Science, he initially planned to pursue a medical career. However, a brief stint in San Diego led him to make a sharp turn, ultimately opening his own agency in 2011.
Today, Bob's agency has become a HubSpot and Shopify partner, specializing in an area ripe for innovation – the onboarding process. Businesses purchasing HubSpot licenses, particularly the professional or enterprise versions, are required to undergo a mandatory onboarding that can be both cumbersome and costly, often taking up to 90 days and requiring significant financial investment.
Recognizing the pain points his clients were facing, Bob stepped in to revolutionize the onboarding experience. By productizing the process, his agency has created a more efficient and cost-effective model. Instead of the traditional 90-day onboarding, they offer a streamlined 20-working-day process, reducing not only the time commitment but also the overall cost by 20% compared to traditional onboarding services.
This innovative approach has allowed Bob's agency to carve out a unique niche in the market, catering to clients ranging from solo entrepreneurs to large corporations that are seeking a more seamless and accessible onboarding experience for their HubSpot and Shopify platforms.
A Product-Led Approach to Agency ProfitabilityInitially operating on retainers, Bob soon discovered that revenue growth didn't necessarily translate to increased profitability. Instead, it created a challenging cycle of constantly expanding the workforce to meet growing demands.
The traditional retainer model's limitations became increasingly apparent. Clients would pay for monthly hours without clear deliverables, creating uncertainty on both sides. This often led to awkward conversations about unused hours and rollovers, while agencies struggled with workload management and resource allocation.
Recognizing these challenges, Bob started to think of ways to make intangible marketing services tangible by productizing what they did and making sure there was a clear offering that empowered clients to engage with the agency in a way that suited their unique circumstances. This shift greatly helped eliminate the ambiguity.
Some clients preferred to take a gradual approach, while others sought comprehensive solutions immediately and productization allowed for this flexibility, enabling clients to choose how they wished to utilize the agency’s expertise.
As teams become more efficient in deploying these products, the agency can scale its offerings without compromising quality, ultimately leading to enhanced profitability.
Why Too Many Choices Kill Agency SalesThe shift to productized services requires a deep understanding of client needs and a commitment to delivering tailored solutions. Successful agencies not only productize their services internally but also present these offerings clearly to clients.
Bob noticed his team was more often than not racing towards a close. With the new process, they're now more focused on ensuring that clients fully understand the details of each deliverable, even if it's not their initial request. By creating a structured menu of services with defined deliverables and associated costs, agencies eliminate ambiguity and earn the client’s trust.
However, even with the right process, many agencies make the mistake of leaving clients to navigate a sea of options. Instead, take the initiative to guide clients through their options. Rather than overwhelming them with choices taking a consultative approach fosters trust and demonstrates the agency's commitment to understanding the client's unique challenges. Much like a skilled server at a restaurant helps patrons navigate a complex menu; an expert salesperson can streamline the decision-making process by offering targeted recommendations based on specific needs.
Ultimately, when both parties have a shared understanding of the project scope and expected outcomes, the likelihood of scope creep diminishes. The result is a more productive working relationship, where clients feel informed and engaged, and agencies can focus on delivering quality work without the constant pressure of changing requirements.
The Value Intersection: Finding Your Agency's True NorthWith years of collaborative learning and optimization, Bob has achieved a significant milestone: the ability to say no to the wrong clients. While this was once a challenge, he now realizes that the more he focused on his team's strengths, refining processes, and value-based selling the more saying no actually made him money in the end.
It's natural for new businesses to explore all sorts of opportunities. However, finding your niche involves identifying the sweet spot where passion, skill, and the ability to provide value intersect. An agency may possess passion and skills in a particular area, but without the ability to deliver measurable value to clients, it will struggle to thrive. The intersection of these three elements is where you’ll find your true value proposition.
Having a clear understanding of the agency offerings helps the sales team engage clients more effectively, setting the stage for successful collaborations. This clarity is essential, especially when considering the long-term growth potential of client accounts. If an agency cannot envision how to grow a client’s account, it raises questions about the wisdom of taking that client on in the first place.
Building a Strong Brand from the Inside OutAgency owners often find themselves caught between client demands, competitive strategies, and the ever-changing technological environment. Amidst this chaos, do not overlook the importance not marketing yourself last. This happened to Bob, who at one point realized his agency was “the cobbler's son who doesn't have shoes". He got to work focusing internally to cultivate a strong brand identity and effectively communicate the agency's true value to clients and prospects.
It took a tremendous effort and focus to finally do it, basically reengineering the agency from the inside out but it’s what has allowed them to create a cohesive narrative that reflects their authentic identity and value proposition.
Additionally, strategic partnerships also play a critical role in authentic internal marketing, as is Bob’s experience with platforms like HubSpot and Shopify. These alliances not only enhance the agency's service offerings but also serve as a testament to its credibility and expertise. However, it is vital for agencies to remain vigilant about the longevity and stability of these partnerships, as reliance on a declining platform can jeopardize their growth.
Finally, Bob reminds agencies to help clients realize the critical importance prioritizing strategy over mere execution. While execution is essential, it should not be the sole focus of an agency's offerings. This shift from a transactional relationship to a strategic partnership allows agencies to provide greater value to their clients, ultimately leading to higher profitability and stronger client loyalty.
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Do you cultivate a collaborative culture? Does everyone on your team feel empowered to contribute and share? That is the secret sauce that this guest has learned over the course of his time in the industry. Today’s featured guest will share common branding mistakes as well as how to brand with longevity in mind. His approach challenges common misconceptions about branding, revealing why many businesses falter from the start in their brand-building efforts. To him, the journey to building a successful brand hinges on the ability to validate ideas, fostering a culture of experimentation, and embracing the lessons learned from both successes and failures to navigate the complexities of the market with greater agility. Tune in for an enlightening conversation on the art of branding and fostering a collaborative culture.
David Frederick is the co-founder of Head Over Heels, an agency dedicated to helping brands and consumers build lasting relationships. He shares insights on the common misconceptions surrounding branding and emphasizes the importance of storytelling in creating authentic connections. Plus, he discusses the things people commonly get wrong about branding and consequently fail to convey a brand's essence and highlights the need for original, thoughtful branding strategies.
In this interview, we’ll discuss:
Common branding mistakes.
The key to brand longevity.
Cultivating a collaborative culture as the key to creative success.
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What People Get Wrong About BrandingEffective branding goes beyond surface-level aesthetics - it's about crafting a compelling narrative that resonates with consumers. However, David has observed that many brands, particularly on short-form media, often miss the mark when it comes to truly understanding and communicating their brand story.
The lack of a deep, nuanced grasp of branding can lead to content that fails to bring the brand to life. This is a critical misstep, as storytelling should be a central pillar in forging meaningful connections with the target audience. This storytelling approach fosters a two-way conversation, allowing consumers to feel involved in the narrative.
Ultimately, consumers are increasingly drawn to brands that authentically align with their values and experiences and creating these experiences will take a deep understanding of the brand’s core identity and a team that cultivates originality and embraces new ideas.
Cultivating Originality as the Key to Brand LongevityBrands that fail to embrace originality risk becoming indistinguishable from their competitors, reducing their ability to attract and retain loyal customers. To cultivate originality, they must invest time in understanding their core identity. Branding has become formulaic when it should be about who you want to talk to specifically and how you want to address them. Instead, most brands want to follow trends like being on TikTok because it’s the popular thing to do, when their consumer might not even be reached on that platform.
Understanding the core identity of a brand involves thorough exploration of its DNA, including its mission, vision, and values. It requires asking the right questions: What do you stand for? Who is your target audience? How can you communicate your message in a way that resonates with that audience? The answers will help brands carve out a unique space in the market that reflects their true essence.
Cultivating brand originality is an ongoing process that requires a willingness to adapt. Ultimately, it all comes down to the product - no matter how compelling the brand story, a formulaic offering will struggle to gain traction. Once the brand's core identity and value proposition are defined, the focus should shift to aligning growth strategies with the brand's challenges and aspirations.
Identify your challenges and aspirations to form a clear vision of what you want for your business beyond “we want to grow”. For example, if a brand is already recognized within its niche but seeks to reach a broader audience, it should define what that growth looks like. Is it about increasing awareness, generating leads, or enhancing customer engagement? By clarifying these goals, brands can create a roadmap for their branding strategy.
The Art of Collaboration as the Secret to Creative SuccessThe ability to generate and execute innovative ideas is paramount in this industry, and to David something very much linked to team work. He recounts the time he worked on a commercial featuring Sarah Jessica Parker developing the concept of a fragrance bottle. Initially, someone proposed the idea of the fragrance bottle going missing, leading to a series of creative developments that would capture the public's imagination.
The campaign was tremendously successful and exemplifies how a single idea can serve as a foundation for a larger narrative, but it is teamwork that enables this idea to flourish.
The team included members from various departments—media, public relations, and brand management—all of whom brought unique perspectives to the table. They had just one rule: no bad ideas, no buts. This diversity of thought allowed them to expand on the initial idea in ways that a single individual might not have envisioned.
By contrast, the creation of the Netflix model was about taking a bad idea and disproving it quickly, which helped them avoid the pitfalls of falling in love with a flawed idea.
Initially, the co-founders thought of renting VHS tapes through the mail. However, it seemed impractical due to the challenges of shipping bulky tapes. By the time DVDs came out, they decided to test the idea and were able to validate the concept within a day, allowing them to move forward with confidence. This rapid validation process prevented them from investing unnecessary time in a non-viable idea and set the stage for their eventual success.
In both cases, fostering a culture of experimentation helped these brands prioritize rapid validation and remain true to their core identity, which was the difference to not only stand out but also forge meaningful connections with consumers, ultimately driving engagement and loyalty.
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What if the secret to finding exceptional agency talent lies in conducting fewer interviews? Finding exceptional talent is perhaps the most formidable challenge in running an agency. When hundreds of applications flood in, the absence of an efficient screening process can transform talent acquisition into an exhausting ordeal of endless resume reviews and interviews. The same is true for prospective clients. Do you have a process for screening them to see if they’re the right fit? Or do you find out too late that you’re working with the wrong ones?
Today's guests went have found success in both hiring and client retention by developing a filtering process that not only saves time but consistently identifies great matches. Listen in as they explore the highs and lows of running an agency, the impact on personal relationships, and their commitment to a "business for good" initiative.
Alex Melone and Andrei Marin are the co-founders of CodeCrew, an email marketing agency that works for the betterment of the world by driving real, sustainable, and exciting growth. They share their journey of starting an agency and reflect on the challenges of entrepreneurship, particularly the cutthroat nature of business that contrasts with their initial idealistic approach.
In this episode, we’ll discuss:
Learning that a “bad fit” client is the result of a bad process.
A strategic filter to break free from interview fatigue.
Mastering team retention.
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Why a Bad Fit Client is the Result of a Bad ProcessAlex and Andrei's journey into agency ownership was driven by a desire to address the inefficiencies they had observed in their previous agency roles. However, as they navigated the complexities of running their own agency, they encountered challenges they had not anticipated.
One of the most striking revelations was the cutthroat nature of the industry. Their initial idealism was met with client relationships that deteriorated due to minor financial disputes, rather than the collaborative and positive environment they had hoped to foster.
The duo realized that a "bad fit" in an agency-client relationship stemmed not from the client themselves but from the processes and criteria used to select them. As a result, Alex and Andre now put greater effort into thoroughly vetting prospects. They realized their initial conversations with potential clients — often limited to just a few hours — were insufficient to gauge the long-term compatibility of the partnership.
When it comes to talent scouting, they emphasize the importance of referrals from existing team members, as these connections often yield leads that align more closely with the agency's culture and ethos, increasing the likelihood of forming partnerships that are not only profitable but also enjoyable and fulfilling.
Weeding Out the Wrong Candidates in the Hiring ProcessFinding and retaining talent has proven to be the most challenging aspect of scaling an agency, a reality that surprised Alex and Andrei. With their agency inundated with applications, the traditional hiring process became overwhelming and inefficient, losing time with candidates who lacked the qualifications or initiative needed for the role.
To streamline their candidate selection, they’ve recently integrated video screening into their hiring process, which has turned out to be a game-changing innovation that helps enhance overall efficiency.
Instead of sitting in a 40-minute interview with candidates they can see from the first few minutes are just not a good fit, they now review 5-minute video submissions, allowing them to quickly identify promising applicants before proceeding to formal interviews. Even though they do have other steps to this process, the video portion has helped them weed out people who just weren’t a good fit. Only candidates who nail this part move forward to the formal interview and comprehensive testing that evaluates both technical skills and problem-solving abilities.
Mastering Team Retention by Creating a People-First CultureAt the heart of Alex and Andrei's agency success lies their commitment to working with people who share their values and goals. This philosophy has resulted in remarkable team retention, with many original team members still contributing to the agency years after its founding.
The secret to their retention success lies in creating a vibrant workplace culture at CodeCrew that goes beyond traditional work relationships. Through contests, light-hearted banter, and team activities, they've fostered an environment where employees don't just work together—they enjoy the journey together. The emphasis on camaraderie and belonging has strengthened team members' commitment to the organization's goals.
Their leadership style is marked by responsiveness to employee needs, which is how they came to implement “summer Fridays” an experiment that later evolved to “Fun Fridays” after a successful four-month trial where every employee gets two Fridays off per month from February through September.
This flexible approach to work-life balance has yielded significant positive results, not only providing employees with much-needed time to recharge but also fostering a culture of trust and respect, which is exactly the kind of culture that Alex and Andrei were hoping to build.
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Are you navigating the complex world of influencer marketing? What do you look for in an ideal creator-agency collaboration? Many agency owners focus solely on follower counts when seeking creator partnerships, but is that really the key to success? Our featured guest launched his influencer marketing agency in 2019, anticipating the explosive growth of the creator economy. Having built his business over the past five years, he brings valuable perspectives on what truly matters in creator-agency relationships. Through both successes and setbacks, he's developed a nuanced understanding of what makes these partnerships thrive. Tune in for insights into the influencer industry and the challenges of running a business with a partner.
Alex Sunshine is the founder and CEO of Rising Suns Agency, a social media influencer agency that specializes in connecting brands and influencers. He built his agency five years ago when he noticed a need for more representation from influencers. He’ll share the complexities of mixing business and personal relationships, why real influence and trust is worth more than millions of followers when working with influencers, and the future of the influences economy.
In this episode, we’ll discuss:
What you should look for in an influencer partnership.
Setting realistic expectations for a successful creator-agency relationship.
The future of creator economy in the AI era.
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You Are Who You Associate With: Being Cautious Agency PartnershipsAlex's journey into the influencer marketing industry began organically, helping his then-girlfriend manage sponsorships and grow her social media presence. Although their relationship eventually ended, this experience proved invaluable when he launched his own agency in 2019, having identified a growing need for professional influencer representation.
Over the past six years, his agency has flourished, now employing a team of 25 people. However, this growth journey has taught Alex one crucial lesson: the importance of careful association, particularly when it comes to bringing new people into the business.
In his view, agency owners make the assumption that bringing in a partner or employees is straightforward and that they share their same level of skills, independence, and character. However, that is not necessarily the case and even three months might not be enough time to learn about someone’s true character.
While there are strategies like starting with temporary arrangements, such as 1099 contracts, before transitioning to more permanent roles, Alex draws an interesting parallel with dating and admits there are many variables. In the end, you can’t be sure what you’re going to get so be very careful with who you associate your agency brand that you’ve worked hard to build.
His advice is to be vigilant and take time to thoroughly evaluate potential partners' values, work ethic, and overall compatibility. After all, a business's success isn't solely determined by its products or services – it's equally dependent on the strength and integrity of its partnerships.
Working with Influencers? What You Should Look ForThe key to successful influencer marketing isn't necessarily working with those who have massive follower counts. What truly matters is finding individuals who have carved out their own distinct niche and built a trusted relationship with their audience, regardless of its size. This trust becomes the foundation for authentic engagement and meaningful impact.
The most effective influencers are those who remain true to their genuine passions, whether they're sharing financial advice, discussing tech trends, or creating entertainment content. Their authentic approach naturally creates a unique identity that resonates with viewers. Modern audiences have become increasingly sophisticated, gravitating toward creators who offer genuine insights and relatable experiences rather than carefully curated personas.
This shift in audience preferences reflects a broader evolution in influencer marketing. Today's followers are less impressed by flashy displays of lifestyle and wealth; instead, they seek content that adds real value to their lives. This transformation emphasizes the importance of substance over style, with successful influencers focusing on creating meaningful, impactful content.
To effectively deliver value, influencers must deeply understand their brand partners' challenges and create content that meaningfully addresses these issues. Those with truly loyal audiences typically invest time in developing their unique content format rather than simply chasing trends. Success comes from self-awareness – understanding their strengths and weaknesses – and creating content that authentically showcases their personality while serving their audience's needs. This genuine approach is what ultimately captures and maintains audience attention.
Setting Realistic Expectations in an Ever-Changing MarketSuccess in the creator economy isn't a simple equation of strategy plus talent. As Alex learned through experience, there are numerous external factors beyond anyone's control that significantly impact outcomes. Early in his career, he made the common yet crucial mistake of over-promising results to creators based on past successes.
While these promises were grounded in previous achievements, Alex now recognizes the fundamental flaw in this approach. No matter how impressive an agency's track record, they remain subject to ever-changing market dynamics. This reality check led him to rethink how he communicates with potential clients.
Today, Alex advocates for a more measured approach: setting realistic expectations from the start. Rather than making grand promises, he transparently shares his team's past achievements while emphasizing that similar results—not necessarily greater ones—are what they confidently aim to deliver. This honesty in communication serves a dual purpose: it builds trust with creators and helps them understand that success often requires patience.
By establishing this clear understanding early in the partnership, creators are more likely to remain committed to the long-term process, even when immediate results don't match their initial expectations. This alignment of expectations ultimately creates a more sustainable and successful relationship between agencies and creators, benefiting all parties involved.
The Future of the Creator Economy in the AI EraIn Alex’s opinion, creators are not in the brand conversations as much as they should, with a lot of companies still investing in billboards and TV commercials. There’s a massive marketplace growing for creator spend and a lot of need for innovation.
There’s a lot to see about the creator economy’s future and many things will change thanks to innovation like AI. For instance, brands are increasingly exploring the creation of AI-driven accounts to manage their online presence, allowing for greater control over their messaging and engagement without the unpredictability that can accompany human influencers. This shift toward AI highlights the efficiency technology can bring and underscores a desire for consistency and brand integrity in an ever-evolving digital landscape.
However, despite its promise, AI is not without limitations and its rapid advancement raises ethical considerations around authenticity and trust. As brands increasingly turn to AI for content creation and customer engagement, there is a growing concern about the potential for disingenuous interactions. With this in mind, the challenge lies in striking a balance between leveraging AI's capabilities and maintaining a human touch that fosters trust and connection. Ultimately, the future belongs to those who can navigate this landscape with integrity and a commitment to serving their audience's needs.
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Are you trapped in the exhausting cycle of "monthly chases," constantly pursuing short-term goals at the expense of long-term vision? Today’s featured guest stood on the brink of giving up, worn down by the relentless pursuit of monthly numbers. He decided to shift focus with a ten-year plan to start building an agency that could run without him. This way, he has been able to focus on different ways to grow the agency, like launching proprietary technology that turned into a fantastic foot-in-the-door and starting a podcast that has given him the opportunity to get in front of his target audience on a weekly basis. Tune in to hear Jim's inspiring story and insights on entrepreneurship and marketing.
Jim Matuga is the president and founder of InnerAction Media, a marketing agency that works with small startups and non-profits. Jim shares his journey from aspiring copywriter to starting his own agency in 2011, discusses the pivotal moments that led him to take the leap, how he broke free from the monthly chase, and the credibility that comes from developing proprietary technology.
In this episode, we’ll discuss:
Breaking free from chasing monthly numbers.
Turning AI adoption into agency innovation.
Getting in front of your target audience with a podcast.
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Starting an Agency at Life's CrossroadsIn a departure from most agency owner stories, Jim had wanted to start an agency from very early on in his career. Armed with an advertising degree and visions of becoming a Madison Avenue copywriter, he seemed destined for the agency world. However, things didn’t go as planned and he ended up working in radio and local newspapers for fourteen years.
Instead of crafting campaigns in a Manhattan high-rise, Jim found himself building a career in radio and local newspapers. For fourteen years, he climbed the corporate ladder, but each promotion felt like a step away from his true ambition.
Finally, 2011 became Jim's year of transformation. In the midst of a difficult year he figured it was now or never. It seemed like the right time to jump into business as he was starting over after losing everything. After many years as a dream, his agency started on a random Tuesday from his kitchen table working from a used Mac he bought off Craigslist.
Breaking Free From the Monthly GrindAll agency owners go through a stage where it seems they’re doing everything and the agency itself is going through constant ups and downs. For Jim, it was right after the pandemic. During a session with his business coach, Jim voiced what many agency owners feel but few act upon: he was tired of the monthly scramble and ready for fundamental change.
Basically, Jim wanted a business that didn’t depend on him to run successfully. Rather than being defined by the numbers on a monthly report, he envisioned a future where the agency could operate seamlessly, even in his absence.
The breakthrough came through a crucial decision: bringing a longtime team member into the financial heart of the business. This wasn't just about delegating tasks—it was about sharing:
Complete financial transparency
Decision-making processes
Strategic planning responsibilities
Ownership of outcomes
With this collaborative approach, Jim was able to help this employee understand the part of the business he most disliked: sales. By working together, he was able to adapt his own personality and values to the sales process, resulting in innovative strategies and business development that Jim had not previously imagined. Such empowerment fosters a culture of trust and accountability, where team members feel valued and motivated to contribute to the agency's success.
Building a Strong Team Beyond the Solo VisionaryAfter fifteen years of growing his agency, perhaps the most valuable lesson for Jim has been that even the most brilliant vision needs a strong team to bring it to life. While his creativity and entrepreneurial drive launched the agency, its sustained success would depend on something more—the collective talent of a well-developed team.
Building a team that really understands their roles in the agency’s overall goals requires patience. You’ll need to give them time to develop into their roles, and give them opportunities and path forward with a clear vision of what the agency could be and what it should be.
This approach to leadership—rooted in patience and understanding—yields more than just a capable team. It creates an environment where innovation flourishes, resilience builds naturally, and team members feel empowered to contribute their best work.
The Difference Between Success and SignificanceJim’s new perspective on looking ahead with his ten-year plan instead of chasing monthly numbers helped him discover something profound: the difference between success and significance.
Most agency owners live or die by the numbers and are constantly focusing on what’s next, with success defined by tangible metrics: revenue, client acquisition, and market dominance. Yet, these markers, while important, can lead to a hollow victory if they do not align with a greater purpose.
In contrast, significance is about creating value that transcends profit margins. It involves making a difference in people's lives, whether through innovative solutions, community engagement, or fostering personal growth within a team.
Once an agency owners start creating value, success is not that important anymore, leading to a deeper sense of fulfillment and purpose.
Turning AI Adoption into Agency InnovationComing from a background in printed media, Jim’s original dreams about running an advertising agency focused on a print-oriented traditional agency. However, just a week into starting his business he realized everyone wanted video and web. Luckily, he adapted quickly and embraced the new technologies. In fact, Jim believes technology is a blessing for agencies.
At the time, he didn’t realize how these new technologies would play a role into the intricacies of owning a business. As businesses strive to capture attention in an increasingly crowded marketplace, the integration of artificial intelligence (AI) into marketing strategies has emerged as a game-changer.
Jim jumped to the opportunity of adapting new trends, as he most recently did with AI. In fact, his agency launched StoryMaker, a SaaS application that aims to demonstrate how AI can enhance storytelling and streamline content creation, ultimately empowering businesses to connect with their audiences more effectively.
The adoption of AI-driven marketing solutions can serve as a powerful retention strategy for agencies. In his case, Jim not only embraced the new technology, he now sells subscriptions across the country for this application and uses is as a foot-in-the-door, where every client gets a complimentary subscription to the app and a marketing blueprint he used to give away for free.
The credibility that comes from developing proprietary software further strengthens an agency's position in the market. As clients recognize the expertise and innovation behind tools like StoryMaker, it enhances the agency's reputation as a thought leader in the industry. This visibility can lead to new opportunities, such as speaking engagements and partnerships, which can further amplify the agency's reach and influence.
Creating Hundreds of Opportunities to Get in Front of Your Target Audience WeeklyAs a big fan of podcasts and the power they have to help grow a brand, Jim created Positively West Virginia, a podcast dedicated to sharing the entrepreneurial journeys of small businesses and nonprofits in West Virginia.
With one episode a week posted since 2017, the podcast has brought Jim hundreds of opportunities to talk to small business owners, who are also his prospective clients. In the years since, Positively West Virginia has provided opportunities for visibility and building credibility, it has also helped him create value and create a platform for authentic narratives that resonate with his audience. This is especially true for small business owners, who often have compelling stories that can inspire and engage listeners.
Any business owner can take advantage of the way that podcasts can serve as a vital tool to share their journeys, connect with audiences, and inspire others. The ability to reach thousands of listeners with motivating narratives not only uplifts individual entrepreneurs but also strengthens the fabric of local communities. As the podcasting landscape continues to grow, small businesses that embrace this medium will find themselves well-positioned to thrive in an increasingly competitive environment.
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What happens when your entire industry comes to a sudden halt? Are you positioned for adaptability in the face of challenge? As an events agency owner, today’s featured guest watched his business model crumble in just one week when the pandemic struck and nearly devastate the entire events industry. It seemed the events industry survive however by embracing technology, his agency successfully transitioned client events to the digital space. They created innovative virtual experiences that kept the business alive during the lockdown.
Now, as in-person gatherings return, he's navigating yet another evolution: the emergence of hybrid events, as he tries to warm his clients up to this concept. Learn the most common pitfalls in event organization and his vision for the future of events in a post-pandemic world.
Mark Testa is the founder of the Mark Stephen Experiential Agency, an agency that specializes in creating memorable consumer experiences that help their clients stand out at major events. With over 20 years of experience, Mark discusses his journey from aspiring set designer to leading an agency that integrates live experiences with digital elements to help brands stand out, and how the pandemic almost ended his business.
In this episode, we’ll discuss:
Key elements of a successful event.
Learning to pivot in the face of change and adversity.
Integrating AI to create successful hybrid events.
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Threading a Path From Set Design to Experiential MarketingMark's journey into the experiential marketing industry began with a different dream altogether. Originally aspiring to become a set designer in New York City, he took what he thought would be a temporary detour into designing window displays to support himself. This seemingly modest compromise eventually led him down an unexpected but rewarding path.
As his work evolved from window displays to product launches, Mark found himself increasingly drawn to the creative challenges of his new role. Even when he attempted to return to NYU to pursue his original dream of set design, financial constraints led him back to visual merchandising at Macy's and working with sponsors during Fashion Week.
This experience with sponsors naturally evolved into a consulting business, where Mark helped brands create impactful environments that achieved their marketing objectives. A subsequent position managing events for a magazine further expanded his horizons, allowing him to travel and develop a passion for event production that eventually eclipsed his theatrical ambitions.
After eight years in the industry, Mark transitioned to freelance work, which organically grew into his own business venture. Though he initially didn't define his company's identity too rigidly, the increasing competition from full-service event companies prompted him to formally establish himself as an experiential agency.
3 Key Elements of a Successful Event that People Often Get WrongOverall objectives: One of the most crucial elements in planning an event is understanding the underlying objectives. It’s one of the first things Mark tried to define with clients. Are they looking to build a new business? Build brand awareness? Data collection? That needs to be clear before moving forward with planning.
Time: Next, the client should be aware that planning an event will require a lot of time, to the point you’ll need to treat it as a job. Time is an element people usually don’t understand and they figure an event can come together in a matter of a few weeks. As a rule, Mark and his team don’t take any new gigs that are under six weeks because they won’t be able to execute it to the best of their abilities. The more time you have to prepare the better the event will turn out.
Audience: Who is the audience the event is trying to reach? Realistic and clear about the goals are very important. Maybe you think a large event will make a big impact, but depending on the audience and the goals you can do better with a 40-person event that gets a conversation started with the ideal target audience. Just make sure to have a clear call to action. Don’t just send people off with a “thank you for coming”. Instead, invite them to have a conversation if they liked the event and if it touched on some of the issues they’ve been having with their businesses.
The Fourth Step: Establishing Clear Financial ExpectationsUnderstanding the hidden costs of event organizing is crucial for successful client relationships, according to Mark. Location, timing, and seasonal factors all significantly impact event costs, yet clients often overlook these variables in their initial planning.
This is why Mark prioritizes budget discussions early in client conversations. He believes in establishing clear financial expectations from the start, rather than dealing with unpleasant surprises later. The budget, after all, serves as the foundation for every event decision and ultimately determines its scope and scale.
For instance, if a client's budget doesn't align with their vision of a 200-person event, Mark advocates for adjusting the scale rather than struggling to make an impossible budget work. A well-executed 40-person event, he argues, is far more successful than an underfunded larger gathering.
The key to managing these potentially difficult conversations lies in transparent communication. When agencies take the time to explain costs thoroughly and provide honest assessments of budgets, they often find that clients appreciate their candor. This transparency, while initially revealing gaps between expectations and reality, ultimately builds trust and elevates the agency's role from simple service provider to trusted advisor.
The Evolution of Events: From Shutdown to Hybrid SuccessThe pandemic dealt a devastating blow to the event industry, bringing it to an abrupt halt within a single week. The sudden shutdown left Mark questioning whether the industry would ever recover to its former glory—a concern that, fortunately, proved unfounded.
During those years, Mark fought not to succumb to despair and leveraged the agency’s existing resources and relationships to pivot towards new solutions.
Innovation emerged from necessity as the agency pivoted to digital technology. They developed immersive virtual experiences that replicated the interactivity of live events, not only helping them retain clients but also discovering new revenue streams with better profit margins than traditional gatherings.
However, the solution was only temporary and as soon as in-person events became viable again, clients began showing resistance to virtual alternatives. Learning from this experience, Mark now advocates for a balanced approach, blending digital and physical experiences. This hybrid approach allows agencies to cater to diverse client needs, ensuring that they remain relevant in a rapidly changing market.
Integrating Technology into Event PlanningThe way that clients embraced the return of in-person events highlights the fundamental need for human connection that transcends time and circumstance. However, technological breakthroughs have changed a lot about how creatives work and it has certainly changed advertising.
Organizations are adapting to this reality by integrating technology in ways that enhance rather than replace human interaction. For instance, the use of AI tools such as MidJourney allows creatives to generate innovative ideas and visuals quickly, streamlining workflows. Of course, Mark acknowledges that while AI can aid in the creative process, it cannot replicate the physical execution and emotional nuances that human designers bring to their work.
The ability to take an imaginative concept and transform it into a tangible reality relies on human skills, intuition, and collaboration, which cannot be automated.
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Are you frustrated by slow growth? Does client churn keep you from really propelling ahead? Do you put off crucial decisions because you’re afraid of making the wrong choice? Today’s guest’s successful track record wasn’t enough to make him confident in his decisions on hiring or the stress of client turnover. A shift in focus helped him see consistency and adaptability are the key to agency growth. Learn about how he kept going and the strategy that helped him get through decision paralysis. He also shares the content marketing approach that transformed his agency's pipeline and helped them grow.
Curtis Hays is the owner of Collideascope, a digital agency specializing in B2B lead generation services. He shares his early struggles to form an effective hiring strategy, and how a podcast has been just what his agency needed to address self-promotion to build their pipeline.
In this episode, we’ll discuss:
Maintaining momentum when growth feels slow.
The power of podcasting to build the pipeline.
Breaking through decision paralysis.
Embracing mistakes in agency leadership.
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Converting Corporate Experience into Agency OwnershipCurtis began his career working in corporate right after college, starting with roles at smaller companies before landing an IT position supporting sales and services at a Fortune 500 company. Years later, he decided to relocate with his wife and found himself struggling to find work in his new city until he connected with two agency owners specializing in web development and IT services.
Taking charge of the IT services division, Curtis innovatively transformed the agency’s business model by implementing a retainer-based approach for IT services and went on to run that division for ten years.
His journey into agency ownership began once he figured it was time to start consulting and working on his own. Little by little he brought together a group of agency professionals he met over years in order to complement the services he provides, ultimately building what is now Collideascope.
How to Maintain Momentum When Growth Feels SlowThanks to a solid network, Curtis hasn’t experienced the typical struggles of finding and retaining talent. For most of his time with the agency, people who come work with him end up staying, which has allowed him to maintain a very low turnover rate. He is aware this is not always the case, as his team is frequently called to assist agency teams when they’re experiencing turnover.
On the other hand, marketing has been especially hard for him as he struggles to balance client needs with the demands of marketing his own agency. This is a common dilemma, where the focus on client work can overshadow the necessity of promoting the agency brand.
It seemed like every time he was finally getting ahead by gaining a new client he was losing another one. As a result, even though he has seen growth year-over-year, it’s been slow and never quite where he want s it to be. The resulting emotional toll has tempted Curtis to give up. However, he has learned to cultivate a positive mindset that embraces that growth is not just about the number of clients but also about building resilience and adapting to change.
In his experience, working with clients can help maintain this positive attitude. Instead of always working on the backend of the business, he makes sure to always get some consulting time, which gets him the opportunity to have some wins helping clients solve problems and gets him excited to do his work.
Sometimes it may seem like you’ve tried everything, however, a harder look at your process may reveal a key change that could help improve your results. As Curtis has learned, consistency is about committing to a process of continuous improvement and adaptation. Whether it’s refining service offerings, nurturing client relationships, or engaging in marketing efforts, the consistent application of effort is what drives growth.
Converting Listeners to Clients: The Power of Podcasting for AgenciesWhen traditional content marketing methods like newsletters and blogging weren't delivering the desired results, Curtis changed the strategy to try their luck with a podcast.
The journey wasn't immediate success. The first six months were admittedly challenging, marked by slow growth and a steep learning curve. However, once the team found their rhythm, the podcast began to yield unexpected benefits. Not only did it generate new leads, but it also served as a powerful educational tool for prospects in their pipeline, building the confidence needed to convert listeners into clients.
What started as an experimental marketing channel evolved into a valuable pipeline-building tool. The team discovered that through authentic storytelling and sharing customer experiences, they could forge deeper connections with their audience in ways that written content simply couldn't match. The podcast format allows them to showcase their expertise while maintaining a personal touch that resonates with potential clients.
Pro tip for podcasters: Try to not lose momentum with your listeners. After his first season, Curtis has learned to record episodes ahead of time. In the very beginning, it’s difficult to get listeners for your show. However, when they finally do, they’ll tend to binge several episodes so make sure you have a consistent upload schedule so you don’t lose the interest of new listeners.
Break Through the Overwhelm and Empower Your TeamAs Curtis points out, many agency leaders find themselves overwhelmed with the burden of managing a growing team. On one hand, there’s the significant investment needed in bringing in new people with the right expertise. On the other hand, it’s also difficult to train and coach up people already in the business to transition into those positions.
Finding yourself paralyzed by questions regarding cash flow and profit means you’re not focusing on the most important asset, which is your time. The transition from Owner to CEO requires a shift in mindset, where the focus moves from doing everything yourself to empowering others to carry out the agency’s mission.
The journey to effective delegation begins with a simple but powerful exercise of auditing your time. Here's how to do it:
Take screenshots of your calendar for the past two weeks
Document all activities you've performed
Categorize these activities into two lists: tasks you love or energize you and tasks that drain your energy or you'd rather never do again
With your audit complete, start delegating low-value tasks off your plate. After that, hire at least one of the people you’ll need to start getting high-level tasks you never want to do again. You don’t necessarily have to go out and hire a COO right away when you’re running a twenty-person agency, but you can start by hiring a director of operations.
Prioritize strategic hiring to identify the right individuals with the skills and mindset necessary to contribute to the agency's vision. By carefully selecting team members who align with the agency's goals and values, owners can create a strong foundation for growth.
Learning to Embrace Mistakes in Agency LeadershipA lot the fear of hiring new team members revolves around getting it wrong and regret the decision. This usually leads to hanging on to that person for too long, even though they’re not the right fit, just to avoid going through the hiring process again.
Simply put, mistakes are inevitable as you grow your agency. At some point, you’ll look back at your hiring mistakes or bad clients as lessons. Learn to laugh at the mistakes and craziness that happens in this business and you’ll enjoy the ride much more.
For example, Curtis looks back at how rigid he was with his team when it came to working remote. He knows now that his opposition to it was a big mistake. This experience taught him the importance of embracing adaptability to new practices, tools, and methodologies that provide a significant edge or allowing them to streamline operations and focus on higher-value tasks.
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Have you ever felt like abandoning your agency? Overwhelmed or insecure about the direction the agency is headed? If so, you're not alone. At some point, we all face moments of doubt and struggle to keep momentum. Today’s guest is an agency owner who built his business over the past ten years. He recently experienced a downturn that led him to question whether he still enjoyed the work. It was a solid business plan and clear vision that helped him get the agency back on track. Learn more about why he needed clarity and communication to get his confidence back and what excites him about the new developments of generative AI and how it’s changing advertising.
Ed East is the founder of influencer marketing agency Billion Dollar Boy. He shares his journey into the agency world, creating a database connecting blogs with brands and agencies. Ed also discusses the low point that made him question his commitment to the agency, the realization that helped him rebuild his confidence, and the new tech that is already revolutionizing advertising and brand-audience connections.
In this episode, we’ll discuss:
How clarity builds new momentum for agency growth.
Leveraging generative AI to elevate the creative process.
How agencies can use creator advertising.
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Turning a College Hobby Into a Legitimate AgencyAlthough he’s an accidental agency owner, Ed was always keen on starting a business which is why he took his first entrepreneurial steps during university. Back then, he started a blog with some friends focused on lifestyle, music, and sports that quickly got up to 50,000 views a month. However, they soon realized that page views alone weren't enough to generate an income.
Luckily, with so many views it was just a matter of time before they started to get offers to promote brands on the blog. This development led to a new idea: building a database where agencies and brands could find the right blogs to place their ads. As they worked on that database, YouTube and Instagram started to surge as a new way to advertise content. This changed the plan a bit; it wouldn’t be a database just for blogs but also include social media accounts.
How Clarity Builds New Momentum for Agency GrowthOver the past decade, Ed's journey in the agency world has been a rollercoaster of experiences, teaching him valuable lessons about perseverance and adaptability. Reflecting on his original business plan, he's come to appreciate the importance of balancing a clear vision with the flexibility to navigate unexpected paths.
Interestingly, he has only recently questioned his commitment to the business. Although the thought of giving up has never crossed his mind, Ed did start to question the enjoyment he got from the work he was doing.
The catalyst for this soul-searching was the challenging economic climate, which saw marketing budgets slashed. This has added a lot of pressure to agencies that saw their growth slow down while client expectations rose.
It all took a positive turn once Ed created a well-defined plan and shared it transparently with his team. And even though the agency is not out of the woods yet Ed's renewed sense of purpose and his team's alignment have positioned the agency to face the future with confidence.
When all team members understand the agency’s overarching goals and their roles in achieving them, they are more likely to feel empowered and energized. This newfound confidence can lead to innovative solutions and a more robust pipeline of opportunities. Ultimately, clarity acts as a catalyst for action. Without it, you won’t be able to build a strategy that you’ll follow to success.
Leveraging Generative AI to Elevate the Creative ProcessBeing in influencer marketing, Ed has seen the integration of Generative Artificial Intelligence (Gen AI) emerge as a transformative force. Although very new this use of AI can work very well when done correctly and is reshaping the creative collaboration paradigm. This technology not only streamlines creative processes but also enhances collaboration between brands and creators, leading to innovative and impactful campaigns.
One of the most striking revelations from his experiences is the shift in perception regarding the role of Gen AI in creative campaigns. Traditionally, brands viewed Gen AI as an add-on—a supplementary tool to enhance existing creative strategies. However, Ed sees the response from brands during presentations led by his CMO are markedly different. Brands expressed a desire to leverage Gen AI as a core component of their creative vision, allowing it to drive the lead creative piece of their campaigns. This shift signifies a broader understanding of Gen AI's potential to elevate the creative process rather than merely augment it.
Redefining the Brand-Audience ConnectionThe landscape of advertising is undergoing a profound transformation. Ed believes creator advertising, powered by generative AI, is at the forefront of this revolution. This shift represents more than just a passing trend; it's a fundamental reimagining of how brands connect with their audiences in an increasingly competitive digital marketplace.
Creator advertising places creators at the center of marketing strategies. Traditionally, advertising has been structured around established media channels, such as television and print, where brands dictate the narrative. However, the landscape has shifted dramatically with the rise of social media and digital platforms, where creators wield substantial influence and have cultivated dedicated followings. This shift necessitates a rethinking of how brands engage with their audiences, leading to the adoption of creator-led advertising strategies.
Agencies are now hiring creative strategists and media planners from various backgrounds—especially those with experience in traditional advertising—to work alongside influencer marketing teams. This collaborative approach allows for the repurposing of content across multiple channels, extending the reach and impact of creator-driven campaigns. As we look to the future, the evolution of creator advertising is poised to redefine the marketing landscape.
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Has your agency reached a growth plateau? Have you thought about narrowing your focus to enhance your marketing efforts? In this interview, you'll hear from an agency owner who relied on referrals for years until the post-pandemic landscape shifted. While his business thrived during the early pandemic, it faced challenges as larger clients began consolidating. In response, he strategically pivoted to specialize in the biotech sector. Tune in to explore his initial hiring challenges, the transformative effects of niching down, and his ongoing refinement of the sales process to secure more clients.
Daniel Lofaso is the owner of Digital Elevator, a marketing agency focused on helping helps emerging biotech companies with full-circle marketing campaigns. He discusses challenges he found in building the right team, the reason he decided to niche down and the impact it has had on his agency, his approach to selling, and more.
In this episode, we’ll discuss:
Trading short-term profit for long-term success.
Striking a balance between niche marketing and client diversity.
Is honesty a problem in sales? Being Sales-centric vs. Solution-focused
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From the Skies to the Agency PathThough he earned his pilot's license after college, Daniel realized his heart wasn't in aviation. Instead, a connection with a fellow flight school student who had agency experience sparked a new direction. T together, they launched an SEO agency targeting the legal sector. This was a pioneering move at a time when digital marketing agencies were just beginning to explore the potential of SEO and social media platforms.
Eventually, his entrepreneurial spirit emerged from years of reading his father’s business books which led Daniel to venture on his own. It seemed like the logical move for someone who always knew he just wouldn’t be happy as somebody’s employee. However, he admits it was probably too early and needed support from his parents until he could get his footing, but ultimately the early start proved to be a valuable learning experience.
Fourteen years later he has grown his business to a successful agency that made it past the post pandemic struggles and managed to successfully pivot to a new niche.
Trading Short-Term Profit for Long-Term SuccessLike many agency owners, initially struggled with early hesitation to invest in talent due to the immediate financial implications. He was accustomed to a certain income and the prospect of hiring new talent meant a temporary setback in monthly earnings.
However, a realization changed his perspective: scaling wasn't just about acquiring more clients—it required building a capable team that could deliver exceptional results. Daniel came to understand that strategic investment in talent wasn't merely an expense on the balance sheet, but rather a catalyst for long-term growth and personal freedom. This investment would allow him to step back from day-to-day operations and focus on what truly mattered: strategic planning and nurturing client relationships.
In the end, it’s not just about the money but also about saving time. Agency owners tend to make decisions based on short-term cash flow rather than time, which inevitably leads to burnout and missing important moments with family.
Of course, concerns about maintaining consistent revenue to support employee salaries weighed heavily on his mind. Yet, the decision to invest in human capital ultimately became the defining factor between stagnation and success. By overcoming his initial hesitation and embracing the power of a skilled team, Daniel discovered the key to unlocking his agency's potential. This shift in mindset not only fostered a culture of innovation but paved the way for sustainable growth—proving that sometimes the biggest leaps forward require taking a calculated step back.
Finding the Right Balance Between Niche Marketing & Client DiversityAfter experiencing significant growth during the pandemic, the agency faced a plateau as some big clients were acquired by larger entities post-Covid and no longer required their services.
This setback forced Daniel to pivot and reassess his business strategy, ultimately leading him to specialize in the biotech industry. The agency already had clients in this niche that had historically accounted for a large percentage of their income. This meant they already had experience and the case studies to attract more clients, which made it a great strategic move to redefine the agency’s positioning.
Nonetheless, Daniel also emphasizes the importance of not limiting oneself strictly to the chosen niche. Fortunately, he got the right advice at the time to maintain relationships with existing clients outside of the primary focus area, an approach that can prevent the pitfalls of overspecialization. Many agency owners mistakenly believe that in order to grow, they must eliminate all clients that fall outside their niche. This, according to Daniel, is a significant misstep. By continuing to serve diverse clients while marketing primarily to a niche, agencies can create a more stable revenue stream and mitigate the risks associated with market fluctuations.
Niching down, he learned, was more about making it easier to market the agency. This way, he would be talking to one buyer persona and spend less on ads, avoiding competition with big agencies with many more resources.
Is Honesty a Problem in Sales? Shifting from Sales-Centric vs. Solution-FocusedAt some point, most agency owners choose to build a well-trained sales team and exit operations. This was the case with Daniel, after an expert reviewed his agency’s sales process and found Daniel too honest in setting expectations.
However, being transparent and genuine with clients not only fosters trust but also positions the agency as a reliable partner for problem-solving. Clients don’t want to be sold to; they seek solutions to their problems. This paradigm shift from a sales-centric approach to a service-oriented mindset is crucial for any successful sales team.
Consumers are weary of insincerity. They are often on guard, anticipating a sales pitch that prioritizes profit over their needs. By contrast, when a salesperson approaches a client with genuine intent to help, it changes the dynamic. Clients feel valued and understood, leading to a more open dialogue.
By openly discussing budget constraints and advising potential clients on what they truly need, you can demonstrate that authenticity can disarm skepticism and create a collaborative atmosphere. This approach not only builds trust but also establishes a foundation for long-term relationships.
The Unchanging Pillars of SuccessDaniel’s advice for agency owners is to always look ahead, not just at how things may change some months or years from now, but also at the things that are not going to change.
Clients, regardless of the industry, consistently seek solutions to their problems. They want quick resolutions and cost-effective options. These needs are not fleeting; they are the bedrock of client relationships and the driving force behind business operations. By honing in on these constants, agencies can position themselves as indispensable partners in their clients' journeys, rather than merely service providers chasing after temporary market trends.
Ultimately, success in digital marketing hinges on understanding and meeting the unchanging needs of clients.
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Are you searching for innovative ways to supercharge your agency’s lead generation? What’s your number one source of leads and how can you scale it? Leveraging partnerships is one of the most effective lead generation strategies for agency owners. This is something today’s featured guest understands very well, as someone who understands the powerful role a good partner plays in growing an agency’s business.
His approach goes beyond mere networking—it's about creating a web of mutually beneficial relationships that naturally drive growth. His success stems from a simple yet powerful principle: help others succeed, and your own success will follow. Discover his philosophy on building relationships before asking for favors and how podcasting can enhance professional development and foster meaningful connections in business.
Jeremy Weisz, is a seasoned podcaster, entrepreneur and the co-founder of Rise25, an agency that helps companies launch and run podcasts profitably. Through his podcast Inspired Insider, Jeremy has been amplifying voices and building bridges for small entrepreneurs for over fifteen years. He talks about his work helping businesses launch and manage their own podcasts and reflects on the incredible guests he's interviewed, including notable figures like the co-founder of Pixar and the founder of Atari, highlighting the invaluable insights gained from these conversations.
In this episode, we’ll discuss:
A strategic approach to scaling your agency.
Ensuring mutual benefits and shared values in partnerships.
Building relationships before asking for favors.
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Leveraging Partnerships for Sustainable Agency GrowthAgency growth often begins with referrals, a crucial element in pushing past the first million in revenue. However, referrals alone aren't scalable and typically have limitations. When Jeremy thought about a way to create a predictable referral pipeline the only logical answer seemed to be partnerships.
Business partnerships are collaborative relationships between two or more entities aimed at achieving mutual benefits. These partnerships can take various forms, including joint ventures, strategic alliances, and referral partnerships. The primary goal is to leverage each partner's strengths to create a synergy that enhances value for all parties involved.
To find your ideal partners, Jeremy recommends building a list of the best companies in your industry who share your audience. Who are those organizations and people that could be great referral partners and how could you give as much as possible to them? After all, the best way to get a referral is to give a referral.
Next, think about how you could help them. It could be referring clients, writing a LinkedIn post recommending their services, hosting them on your podcast, or even commenting and sharing their post on social media. This way, you’ll not only be showcasing the partner's expertise but also reinforcing your commitment to supporting their success.
It’s very important for Jeremy that this referrals are given without expecting something in return. If the company holds the same values as you, they’ll also be givers and return the favor, thus solidifying the relationship.
By forming strategic alliances with other businesses, companies can access new markets, share resources, and amplify their reach and adopting a giving-first approach will help you build strong, lasting partnerships that contribute to their overall success and resilience in the marketplace.
Reciprocity in Partnerships: Ensuring Mutual Benefits and Shared ValuesHow do you know when a partner is not the right fit after a while? The giver mentality is commendable but you should be looking to align with partners who share similar values and are equally committed to the relationship.
If a partner consistently takes without reciprocating, it may be time to reevaluate the partnership. Successful collaboration requires a balance of giving and receiving; thus, businesses must remain vigilant in ensuring that their partnerships are mutually beneficial.
Maybe you’ve referred numerous clients to a partner, only to receive little acknowledgment in return. This lack of appreciation can lead to dissatisfaction and, ultimately, the dissolution of partnerships. In contrast, when appreciation is expressed, it fosters goodwill and encourages continued collaboration. A simple thank you can go a long way in reinforcing these connections. Mutual respect and acknowledgment can enhance loyalty and commitment.
Who Are Your Agency’s Ideal Partners?What is your ideal partner profile? Depending on your needs, it may be associations, publications, conferences, technology, other agencies, or even competitors. For Jeremy, the ideal partner it’s someone serving B2B businesses with a high client-lifetime value. For businesses operating in the B2B sector, focusing on high-value partnerships can be a game-changer, driving growth, enhancing credibility, and creating a sustainable competitive advantage.
At the heart of successful B2B partnerships is the concept of high client lifetime value. Businesses that cater to clients with substantial lifetime values are particularly well-suited for referral partnerships.
One effective strategy for identifying potential partners is to explore industry-specific conferences and associations. These events serve as fertile ground for networking and establishing connections with key players in the industry. For instance, a business targeting dentists could benefit immensely from forming relationships with major dental associations or attending relevant conferences. Such interactions can lead to valuable partnerships that amplify visibility and credibility within the niche.
Build Relationships Before Asking FavorsOnce you've compiled your list of ideal partners and identified where to find them, the next step is to initiate relationship-building. The key is to start by "making deposits" before expecting anything in return.
What does this mean? When reaching out to potential partners, always do so from a place of wanting to help rather than seeking out what they can do for you. By offering assistance, insights, or resources without an immediate ask, you will build trust and rapport. This strategy significantly increases the likelihood that partners will reciprocate in the future.
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Do you need guidance in your agency journey? Could a coach be the game changer your agency needs? Maybe so, but maybe not. Many agency owners naturally turn to a coach for support and growth advice. And, while coaches excel at addressing specific challenges, their impact often plateaus after a few months due to the inherent limitations of single-perspective coaching.
Today’s featured guest is our scale specialist who has closely observed the growth trajectories of numerous mastermind members. Through his unique vantage point, he's witnessed how the most valuable exchanges often occur organically — outside of scheduled meetings — when members freely share experiences and insights. These connections flourish during in-person events, where authentic relationships take root.
He sees the way these relationships foster trust and create a dynamic environment for growth that transcends what any single “business coach” provides.
As Agency Scale Specialist on our team, Darby Copenhaver regularly meets with all our members and connects with them at our in-person events. He sees just how much those events make a difference in the ways which members engages with the community. The live events foster the community element so each member receives guidance and advice for their particular challenges while also having fun and connecting with peers in a way they wouldn’t if stuck in a conference room all day. This conversation highlights the difference between what agency owners think they need and the actual support they might benefit from.
In this episode, we’ll discuss:
The limitations of 1:1 coaching for agency growth.
3 benefits of an agency owner community.
The power of in-person connection for professional growth.
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Why Coaching Alone Isn't Enough to Scale Your AgencyOne of the challenges of scaling past a certain point is the vision you need to get there often necessitates some outside help. At this point, most agency owners figure they need a “coach” to get them to the next stage of growth.
This is undoubtedly the right approach for many people. However, while coaching can provide valuable insights and strategies, there are inherent limitations that come with relying solely on individual coaches. As many agency owners find out, coaching has a finite perspective. Despite the expertise and experience of a coach, their ability to offer solutions is ultimately constrained by their unique viewpoint.
Darby and Jason agree, coaching has a very important role in addressing specific business challenges. Coaches bring a wealth of experience and knowledge instrumental in helping agency owners navigate obstacles. A coach can provide tailored strategies, accountability, and a sounding board for ideas, — all incredibly beneficial, especially for those who are just starting or facing particular hurdles.
Each coach has their own set of experiences, beliefs, and methodologies that inform their approach. While this individuality can lead to innovative solutions, it also means that the coach's insights are inherently limited to their own understanding of the industry and the challenges faced by agency owners.
In light of these limitations, Darby advises agency owners to seek a more diversified array of resources and perspectives. Relying solely on a single coach creates an echo chamber, where ideas and strategies become repetitive and lack the innovation necessary for sustained growth. Instead, they should consider leveraging a combination of coaching, peer support, and community engagement.
3 Main Benefits of an Agency Owner CommunityAgency owners are always navigating an industry that is both highly competitive and ever-evolving. Often this leads to them feeling isolated in their role as the leaders who set the vision and direction for the agency. In this sense, few things make as much difference as connection among peers to foster a sense of belonging and understanding.
Community: When agency owners come together—whether at events, workshops, or informal gatherings—they create a community that transcends individual experiences. This connection aspect is vital as it allows members to share their stories, challenges, and triumphs, support one another and encourage vulnerability and authenticity. This open exchange of experiences cultivates an environment where each owner feels heard and valued, setting the stage for deeper insights and learning.
Clarity: A natural byproduct of these connections is clarity. When agency owners engage with one another, they can step back from their daily grind and gain fresh perspectives on their challenges. This clarity is not merely about understanding their business metrics; it encompasses a broader awareness of their goals, values, and the strategies needed to achieve them.
Confidence: Along with clarity and insights from community, owners gain a sense of purpose and a plan. While plans may not be foolproof, having a framework—shaped by collective wisdom—significantly increases the likelihood of success: Simply put, camaraderie can embolden individuals to take risks, experiment with new ideas, and ultimately pursue their unique definitions of success.
The Power of In-Person Connection in Professional GrowthThe importance of in-person connections cannot be overstated. While technology has enabled us to connect with others across vast distances, it is in-person experiences that often lead to deeper bonds and a sense of community, as mastermind members have been able to see during our annual events.
In a mastermind setting, such as Agency Mastery, monthly virtual meetings offer valuable insights through structured calls focused on topics relevant to all members. However, Darby sees the most meaningful connections emerge outside the formal meetings, when members take their conversations offline and share personal stories. These initial bonds then strengthen significantly during our in-person events.
Members consistently highlight the relationship-building aspects of these face-to-face gatherings are what they value most. These events provide a unique space for personalized feedback and collaborative growth among successful agency owners. Rather than being confined to conference rooms, the Agency Mastery team incorporate engaging activities like horseback riding, allowing members to connect authentically while enjoying themselves away from the usual distractions of phones, clients, and daily business challenges.
The success of these events largely stems from our careful approach to group composition. By maintaining small, exclusive groups and setting high standards for both business achievement and cultural fit, Jason and team have created a tight-knit community of professionals who genuinely support each other's growth and success.
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Do you feel along or isolated in your agency leadership journey? Wonder how it feels to have people who ‘get you’ and understand the unique challenges of owning an agency? Today’s featured guest faced numerous insecurities and challenges on her growth journey. Ultimately, the pivotal moment came when she joined a peer community, which encouraged her to adopt a new mindset and explore various solutions and strategies. Discover her unexpected journey into entrepreneurship and how the support of her peer community empowered her to confidently remove misaligned talent and pursue strategic partnerships, alleviating the burdens of ownership.
Andi Graham is the CEO and founder of Big Sea, a marketing agency that began its journey as a web development firm in 2005. She shares her unique educational background, her interest in the intersection of communication and behavior change, and discusses her self-taught journey into graphic design and how realizing her vision was bigger than her skills paved the way for starting to build a team and eventually starting an agency.
In this episode, we’ll discuss:
The role of community in embracing a different approach to agency challenges.
Learning the importance of due diligence in an agency merger.
Lessons on the high price of misaligned talent.
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Accidental Agency Owners: Embraces Your Strengths and Delegate WeaknessesAlthough Andi graduated with a bachelor's degree in Sociology, her true passion was advertising and understanding the connection between communication and behavior change. She also taught herself design and had fun creating menus for the pizza shop where she was working at the time.
Later on, in her first professional role, she got to dive into other marketing activities like starting the company’s first email newsletter. To enhance her skills, she learned coding to implement more visual modifications than the newsletter platform could offer. Eventually, she started building websites and taking freelance clients and realized she had built something more lucrative than her full-time job.
When the time came to intentionally start growing her business, Andi knew her strengths are copywriting and project organization but lacked in design and web development skills. It was time to start hiring people with expertise in these areas to improve the quality of her services. She recognized she was more of a jack of all trades but lacked the patience to get really good in a particular area. It was the right combination of skills to become a business owner, as running a business requires learning a little bit about every part of the business.
The Importance of Community in Agency LeadershipOne of the most significant challenges Andi faced while launching her own business was the struggle to balance financial realities with her desire to cultivate a positive workplace culture. Yes, she wanted her team to have fun and like her but she also needed to run a profitable business.
However, finding a community of peers who understood the unique difficulties of agency ownership proved to be a game-changer for her. She quickly learned that, although her peers faced the same challenges, they were approaching them with a different mindset. This highlighted the importance of perspective in business and the need for a supportive community that encourages open dialogue and shared learning.
This camaraderie was not just about commiserating over shared challenges; it became a platform for exchanging solutions and strategies and helped Andi appreciate the value of having a “tribe” who not only validate your experiences but also inspire you to adopt new approaches to your work.
The Significance of Due Diligence in an Agency MergerBy 2016, Andi found herself feeling overwhelmed by the demands of running her agency alone and yearned for more quality time with her daughter. She had connected with various agency owners, which enabled her to build relationships with peers whose skills complemented her own. This collaboration led to a partnership that resonated with both her personal and professional goals.
Each partner brought unique strengths to the table, whether in sales, operations, technology, or marketing and creative projects. This division of labor allowed everyone to concentrate on their passions, ultimately enhancing job satisfaction and productivity.
However, the journey was not without its challenges and Andi regrets not conducting thorough due diligence on her partners prior to the merger. As a result, she encountered unexpected friction due to undisclosed ownership stakes that created tension in decision-making processes. Fortunately, there was a positive outcome, with a successful buyout of the problematic partner handled with care and mutual respect.
Collaborative partnerships are not merely transactional; they are rooted in shared values, trust, and open communication. As Andi learned, prioritizing alignment in partnerships is essential for fostering a healthy, productive, and fulfilling business environment.
Lessons on the Hidden Cost of Misaligned TalentAnother significant challenge Andi encountered was the difficulty small agencies face in attracting and retaining talent that not only possesses the necessary skills but also aligns with the team's dynamics and values.
At one point, she struggled to let go of a highly skilled developer whose negative attitude was detrimental to the work environment. This is a common pitfall for agency owners who often become overly reliant on individuals with specialized skills, overlooking the importance of interpersonal dynamics and team cohesion. Recognizing that technical expertise does not automatically translate to a good cultural fit is a vital lesson for leaders.
Ultimately, Andi faced several situations that taught her the importance of recognizing early signs of misalignment and getting over the fear of disruption and the perceived challenge of replacing a key player can lead to prolonged periods of dissatisfaction within the team. She is now much more confident in her team’s potential for resilience and adaptability in the face of personnel changes.
Embracing the Long Game in Agency GrowthHaving run her agency for almost twenty years, Andi has learned the value of patience as it become clear that success is not merely a product of quick actions or rapid changes, but rather the result of sustained effort and the ability to endure challenges over time.
Although agency owners are usually fast-movers and very action-oriented, her recent agency rebrand has taught her the importance of building momentum through consistent actions and understanding that the efforts put forth today will yield results in the future, sometimes months or even years later. This long-term perspective is essential for entrepreneurs who may feel disheartened by the slow pace of progress.
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Have you ever questioned your effectiveness as a leader? What steps have you taken to enhance your leadership skills and empower your team to independently address challenges? Today’s featured guest experienced significant growth and had to learn to evolve her leadership skills. She has grown a team of now 110 people and built a business that can run without her, all while maintaining the necessary work-life balance. Hear how she went from executive assistant to paving her way as an agency owner in an unconventional niche.
Lauren Von is the founder and CEO of Quintessa Marketing, a unique agency that connects individuals who have been injured in accidents with personal injury lawyers. She shares her unexpected journey into the world of personal injury law, starting as an executive assistant and evolving into a pivotal role in sales and SEO for a company serving lawyers. She discusses the challenges and insights she gained while working closely with legal professionals and how these experiences laid the groundwork for launching her own business.
In this episode, we’ll discuss:
Hiring for cultural fit.
Becoming the type of leader you wish you’d had.
Team empowerment - building confidence.
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How Corporate Experience Can Shape Agency SuccessWorking with personal injury lawyers wasn’t exactly Lauren’s dream. She started as an executive assistant working in sales for AT&T, where her skills quickly shone through. One day, she successfully persuaded a hesitant customer to retain his phone instead of returning it, leaving such a lasting impression that he invited her to join his team.
Transitioning into the realm of personal injury law, Lauren honed her sales abilities over six years, ultimately spearheading the development of the company’s SEO division. Her proactive approach led to a significant increase in sales, transforming SEO into a cornerstone of the business. After gaining valuable agency experience, Lauren returned to Oklahoma as a new mother, figuring it was the perfect moment to start her own business.
She credits her time as an executive assistant and her gradual ascent within the company for equipping her with the insights necessary to run her own business. If something’s going wrong in the business, she’s probably seen it happen before at her previous workplace so she appreciates the experience that made her a better owner when the time came.
Scaling Without a Roadmap: A Key to Agency ExpansionOne aspect of ownership that presented the biggest learning curve for Lauren was bringing on outside leadership to help scale and grow her business. Since she built her agency on a relatively new niche, she couldn’t just go to a competitor and pluck out their leadership. There was no blueprint so she needed to figure it out.
There was also a constant battle between allowing her team to make mistakes and giving them time to learn while running a profitable business.
Ultimately, Lauren needed to acknowledge the need to ask for help. No leader has all the answers and a key element of getting beyond a certain point in your growth will be accepting that and having the humility to seek guidance and advice from others.
Aligning Values: Hiring for Agency Culture FitLauren’s hiring strategy relies on hiring individuals who align with her agency’s values. To this effect, she clearly defines her core values and conducts survey assessments that explore candidates' innate characteristics.
These assessments provide insights into candidates' personalities and their suitability for specific roles, particularly in a sales context. For instance, a potential hire might have all the best traits to fill a position, but if they don’t care about the company’s philanthropic values their motivations will not resonate with the agency's mission. This nuanced understanding of individual capabilities allows Lauren to make informed hiring decisions that prioritize long-term success over immediate financial gain.
Becoming the Type of Leader You Wish You’d HadLauren has felt like a bad leader many times during the agency's growth process, but she never stopped striving for improvement. As the business grew, she instated an open-door policy to encourage employees to have open communication with her and the leadership team and make herself more approachable.
As she tried to become the type of leader she’d wanted to have in the past, she realized that she needed to be a different leader for each worker. For instance, she believes the way she leads her accounting team should be different than how she leads her sales team. In this sense, she strives to really understand them to be able to inspire and lead them naturally.
Nowadays, Lauren is proud to say her company continues to thrive and grow, even when she is not physically present. This autonomy is crucial; it demonstrates that the organization is not solely reliant on the founder for direction. Instead, it cultivates a sense of resilience and adaptability, allowing teams to navigate challenges effectively. With this, her role has now evolved to be someone who removes obstacles, solves problems, is a subject-matter expert, and leads their philanthropy mission by investing in the community.
Team Empowerment: Building Confidence for Problem-SolvingWith her team now equipped to address 99% of potential issues in her absence, Lauren is now able to enjoy more time with her family, promote the agency brand on podcasts, and meet clients in person.
For agency owners who have yet to reach this level of operational autonomy but aspire to empower their teams, it's essential to train them in a way that encourages independent problem-solving. This is something you can achieve using the one-three-one approach. Instead of coming to you with a problem and expecting you to provide a solution, have them already come up with three possible solutions of how they would personally solve this problem and why, and ask them which of these three solutions they would recommend. Eventually, they’ll stop coming to you because they have internalized that they are capable of coming up with an effective approach.
Although agency owners usually dream of accomplishing this level of agency autonomy, it can be hard to adapt to not being needed anymore. In these cases, agency owners should remember that they don’t have to let go of the part of the business they truly love doing. If you love being a part of a client’s first call then continue to do that. You don’t have to be part of the entire process. Just stick to the part of the business you truly enjoy and where you can have the biggest impact.
The two-week audit. The easiest way to figure out what you truly want to continue doing in the agency and what you want to delegate is to do a two-week audit. Take a screenshot of the past two weeks in your calendar and highlight each activity in either red – for the activities that drain you, or green – for the ones you truly enjoy. If you do this while being truly honest with yourself, you can start building the business around you.
Mastering the Art of Balance and Reclaiming Your TimeAs a mom of five and an entrepreneur, Lauren manages to balance her personal and professional lives by having clarity and alignment. Together with her husband, she establishes clear goals and daily priorities, which allows them to effectively share responsibilities. She is intentional about her time at home, implementing boundaries that enable her to fully engage in family moments.
This principle extends to her business as well. When entrepreneurs and their teams engage in work that aligns with their core values, they tend to feel more energized and motivated. Such alignment not only boosts productivity but also cultivates a sense of purpose within the organization.
By figuring out how much time you need to focus on your agency to feel fulfilled yet have enough energy to dedicate to your family life, you’ll be able to have the proverbial “balance” entrepreneurial life promises and experience the luxury of buying back your time.
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Would you like to remove yourself from the day-to-day agency operations? Do you have an effective hiring process to attract top talent for agency roles? In today’s discussion, our featured guest explains how failing to secure the best candidates often stems from a poorly designed hiring process, starting with the job advertisement. She shares essential strategies for crafting an engaging job ad, fostering self-managing teams, and identifying the qualities of an outstanding operations manager. Join us to discover how to effectively find, hire, and train the right operations professional to elevate your agency.
Mandi Ellefson is the founder of Hands Off CEO, a company dedicated to helping busy CEOs drive sustainable growth without sacrificing their lifestyle and family. Mandi shares her journey of building a business that allows for true freedom, discusses the importance of creating an effective hiring funnel to attract the right talent, and provides insights on and crafting job ads that resonate with top candidates. Learn how to effectively delegate responsibilities and build a business that supports your lifestyle.
In this episode, we’ll discuss:
The importance of a compelling job ad.
Cultivating self-managing employees from day one.
Key traits of an exceptional ops manager.
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Hiring and Training for Success: Build an Agency That Thrives Without YouMandi started Hands Off twelve years ago when she ran into a big problem as she was about to take maternity leave: her business could not run or grow without her. Her search for a solution led her to accidentally start a consulting company to prevent other business owners from getting to the stressful point she found herself in years ago.
Most agency owners are not hands-off and can’t even say they own their agency, more like it owns them. This is why they need strategic hiring practices and methodologies to ensure they recruit individuals who can truly add value to their operations.
The crux of the hiring process lies in identifying candidates who not only possess the requisite skills but also align with the company’s culture and vision. For Mandi, this all hinges on putting together the right hiring funnel, which starts with the right ad that outlines the responsibilities of the role and highlights what makes the agency an attractive workplace.
An ineffective hiring funnel usually leads to:
Hiring a person that is well below the level you need.
Not knowing how to effectively train this person you hire.
Even if you do find someone who is the right fit for the job and your agency, they could end up failing without the right structure to learn how to operate your business.
The Importance of Compelling Job Ad to Attract the Right CandidatesTo create a well-structured hiring process start with a compelling job ad that clearly outlines the responsibilities for the role and resonates with potential candidates. A great ad emphasizes the company culture, growth opportunities, and the impact they can have within the organization.
A strong ad serves as the first filter, ensuring only those who are genuinely interested in the position apply. Add small ‘mousetraps’, like asking them to email you with a specific subject or with the CV attached, and watch as many of the candidates get themselves out of the race just by not following directions.
In terms of experience, Mandi recommends looking for people who not only have relevant operational experience but also possess the ability to adapt and grow within the role. This includes assessing their problem-solving skills, their capacity to manage teams, and their understanding of the agency's specific goals and challenges.
Additionally, Mandi recommends assigning candidates a detailed project plan. This exercise allows them to demonstrate their proficiency with project management software and their grasp of the complexities involved in juggling multiple tasks. By engaging candidates in practical assessments, agency owners can effectively distinguish between those who may be skilled at talking the talk but cannot walk the walk. This method of assessment is crucial for identifying genuine talent and reducing the risk of hiring individuals who may not deliver on their promises.
Finally, it’s normal to find a failure point during the hiring process. It doesn’t necessarily have to be a deal breaker but something that concerns you enough to be unsure about the hire. It could be that they’re too shy or a people-pleaser. If you encounter this type of risk, assess it and find out if it can be retrained.
Cultivating Self-Managing Employees from Day OneOnce the right candidates are onboarded, it is crucial to establish a structured training plan that reinforces their proactive engagement in their roles. Mandi advocates for empowering operations managers to create week-by-week plans that outline their responsibilities and milestones. This approach not only fosters accountability but also encourages managers to take ownership of their projects. Agency owners play a supportive role by regularly checking in on progress, asking questions, and providing assistance as needed.
Agency leaders need to shift from a traditional management style to a more empowering approach where they recognize their role is not to micromanage but to create an environment where team members can thrive independently. You want them to be self-managing. This perspective is crucial; when team members are given the autonomy to take ownership of their work, they become more engaged, motivated, and accountable. Empowering individuals to manage their own tasks not only alleviates the burden on leaders but also cultivates a culture of trust and collaboration.
Eventually, the implementation of key pieces, such as client health scoring, project management, and communication protocols serve as critical tools to exit the agency owner out of account management and operations management and ultimately have a right-hand employee who will be in charge of driving growth.
Key Traits of an Exceptional Ops ManagerWhen it comes to hiring the right Operations Manager you’ll need to be handing off control to someone with a keen eye for detail, who is assertive, and can question decisions.
Impeccable attention to detail and follow-through is not merely a desirable trait; it is essential for ensuring that tasks are completed accurately and efficiently and serves as the foundation for operational excellence.
Additionally, this person is different from the typical Visionary/ CEO. Essentially, they adopt a more structured and perhaps serious approach, which is perfectly acceptable since ops managers operate in a very different way than a CEO does. Just make sure there’s good chemistry with this person and that they are not only skilled but also proactive in seeking efficiencies and cost savings.
This mindset is crucial in an operations role, where the ability to identify and eliminate waste can significantly impact the bottom line. However, the focus should not solely be on minor cost savings; rather, it should be about understanding where the greatest impact can be made.
Delegating Results, Not ProcessesEntrepreneurs often fall into the trap of trying to dictate how tasks should be accomplished, which can stifle creativity and initiative. Instead, a true leader should clearly articulate their desired outcomes—such as improved profitability or streamlined operations—and empower their teams to devise the methods for achieving these goals. This shift in mindset allows team members to take ownership of their work, fostering a sense of responsibility and encouraging innovative problem-solving.
When your operations staff is empowered to take the lead in optimizing systems and processes, you’ll be able to redirect your energy toward strategic initiatives, such as sales and market expansion. This delegation not only enhances productivity but also maximizes the return on investment for your business.
First and foremost, effective leadership in operations starts with providing a clear strategic direction. CEOs must articulate the organization's vision and objectives to their operations leaders instead of merely assigning tasks and expecting results. This clarity allows operations leaders to align their efforts with the broader goals of the organization.
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Do you use storytelling to connect with prospects and clients? Many agency owners know how to share great stories but use them to talk about their agency capabilities. Instead, today’s guest says we should use stories to connect with potential clients, creating content that resonates and engages them. Today’s featured guest is a creator of powerful brand stories who helps his clients understand the value of starting with a strong story framework. He believes clarity beats creativity when it comes to standing out in today’s market. Tune in to learn about his transition from agency life to consulting, teaching, and speaking on the power of story.
Park Howell is an EMMY award-winning business storytelling coach at The Business of Story. He is also a story strategist, keynote speaker, and podcaster known as the world's most industrious storyteller. He started as an agency guy, founding his agency Park & Co. in 1995, and then the digital era compelled him to transition to storytelling and the creative arts.
He discusses the valuable lessons learned while working with small and midsize agencies and how his unique background and insights into the power of story have shaped his career and approach to creativity.
In this interview, we’ll discuss:
How clarity beats creativity in today’s marketing.
The ABT Framework.
Selling to emotion, not logic.
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Embracing Storytelling in a Noisy Digital WorldPark always knew he wanted to use creativity to make a living and advertising seemed like the perfect vehicle to access what he calls the commerce of arts. After studying music theory and communications at Washington State University, he worked for several small and mid-size agencies in different roles including writer, account executive, media planner, and more.
At the time, he believed that the key to financial success was working for the big agencies. However, in hindsight, it was working at these smaller agencies and learning from so many sides of the business that gave him the experience he needed to launch his own agency in 1995.
Park opened a traditional advertising agency, which is what he knew, and found himself at a loss once the digital era kicked in and changed everything. The traditional way was no longer working and Park started to look for ways to communicate in the new, noisy, digital world where the masses were becoming the media.
His search for effective communication strategies led him to delve into the principles of storytelling, as taught in film schools. He discovered that Hollywood had mastered the art of engaging audiences in ways that traditional advertising had not. Seeing the power of storytelling, he realized very few people knew how to use these proven frameworks and started teaching his clients how to master this skill.
As his clients experienced success, new opportunities arose, including a teaching position in storytelling at the University of Arizona. Over time, Park realized that he had evolved beyond his identity as an 'ad guy' and was embarking on a new journey as a teacher and coach.
Clarity Beats Creativity in Today’s MarketingMost agencies never really get storytelling and stick to exposing their audiences to death. According to Park, the emphasis on creativity in advertising no longer suffices now that it is not as exclusive as it used to be. Nowadays, creativity has become democratized as users create hysterical and clever memes all the time, which makes it harder for agencies to stand out on creativity.
Instead, clarity has taken precedence, offering a more effective means of connecting with audiences. If you’re not using the proper frameworks in communication then you’re not creating the clarity to stand out and really move the needle.
Clarity in storytelling means distilling complex ideas into digestible and relatable narratives. Every sale is a fictional story you get the client to buy into and then are expected to deliver on. Many agencies claim to be great storytellers, yet they often overwhelm their audiences resorting to an endless stream of exposition, failing to create a meaningful connection.
Park advocates for the use of narrative frameworks that enhance clarity. Personally, he prefers to use the "and, but, therefore" structure, which helps simplify storytelling process and ensure that the message resonates with the audience.
What is the ABT Framework?And - a statement of agreement, the setup or act one of any message. This statement of agreement should be written from the audience’s point of view and demonstrate you understand them and appreciate what they want.
But - after establishing agreement, the narrative must introduce a conflict or problem knows as the ‘but’. This element serves as a plot twist that captures attention and resonates with the audience's frustrations and challenges.
Therefore - this presents a solution or a vision for what life could look like if the audience addresses the identified problem. This part of the narrative not only inspires hope but also encourages action, whether that means purchasing a product or engaging with a service.
Many brands fail to connect with their audiences because they focus too heavily on their own narratives and offerings, rather than positioning their messages from the audience's perspective. By shifting the focus to the audience and employing the ABT framework, brands can create narratives that resonate on a personal level, fostering a sense of connection and loyalty.
Simplifying Storytelling for Maximum ImpactPark believes people often fall into the trap of selling to logic when instead they should be selling to emotions. Consumers often make purchase decisions driven by emotion, so appeal to that first and foremost and then justify the purchase using logic and reason.
To create compelling narratives that resonate on an emotional level, ask yourself:
1. What does the client want?
2. What do they want to avoid?
3. Why should they listen to you?
For instance, rather than starting with a statement about the brand's greatness, the narrative should begin with the audience's needs and challenges. Agencies like Venable Bells Partners and companies like Patagonia and Nike exemplify using storytelling to highlight customers’ pain points and highlight an experience or an outcome instead of a product to great success.The truth is people mostly don’t care about your agency or your offering. They care about what’s in it for them, which should serve as a wake-up call for marketers who may be overly invested in their own narratives. While there is certainly a place for showcasing your expertise and credentials, framing the conversation around your audience's desires and challenges will foster a more engaging and relatable message.
Good Problems vs. Bad Problems: Redefining Agency FocusHaving recently read The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck by Mark Manson, the main takeaway for Park and what he advises agency owners to do is to look at life as a series of problems and focus on the "good problems" while minimizing or eliminating the "bad problems." This distinction is crucial for agency owners and professionals seeking to thrive in their respective fields.
To effectively get the bad problems out of your life takes real focus on what you do, what you’re good on, and what you like to do. Bad problems arise when you’re not focused, have clarity and try to be too many things at once, which likely leads to burnout. On the contrary, when you’re solving good problems aligned with your agency's strengths and market niche you’ll feel a sense of flow and the work becomes not just a job, but a fulfilling endeavor.
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