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Nearly three years after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, journalists and podcasters Tetyana Ogarkova and Volodymyr Yermolenko return to Fiction/Non/Fiction to tell hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell how Ukrainians view Donald Trump’s return to power in the U.S. They talk about the situation at the frontlines, the consequences of delayed aid, the urgent need for a swift and decisive response to Russian aggression, and continued Ukrainian resilience in the face of the existential threat of the war.
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This podcast is produced by Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan.
Selected Readings:
Tetyana Ogarkova
Ukraine Crisis Media Center
L’Ukraine face à la guerre - Ukraine Crisis Media Center
Volodymyr Yermolenko
Internews Ukraine
Explaining Ukraine podcast
Ukraine World
Trump’s Election and Its Impact on Ukraine - with Nataliya Gumenyuk
Others:
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 5 Episode 15: Scott Anderson on What Russia’s Wars in Chechnya Tell Us about the Invasion of Ukraine
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 6 Episode 51: Tetyana Ogarkova and Volodymyr Yermolenko on How Artists Are Responding to the War in Ukraine
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 6 Episode 2: How Dostoevsky’s Classic Has Shaped Russia’s War in Ukraine, with Explaining Ukraine’s Tetyana Ogarkova and Volodymyr Yermolenko
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ProPublica reporter Molly Redden joins co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to discuss her recent piece on impoundment, Donald Trump’s strategy to thwart Congressional spending priorities. Redden talks about how the presidential budget and Congressional appropriations work now, Trump’s claim that he has the authority to ignore what Congress wants to fund, what this could mean for those he perceives as enemies, and the possible role of the “nongovernmental Department of Government Efficiency,” co-led by Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy. She explains the history of impoundment, Richard Nixon’s excessive use of the power to ignore projects he didn’t want to do, and how this led to a 1974 law restricting the option. She analyzes the likelihood that Trump will succeed in challenging the law and reflects on writing and reporting on seemingly outlandish schemes that are neither likely nor impossible. She reads from her article, “How Trump Plans to Seize the Power of the Purse From Congress.”
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Molly Redden
“How Trump Plans to Seize the Power of the Purse from Congress” | ProPublica
Others:
“Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy: The DOGE Plan to Reform Government” | WSJ
The Brownback Legacy: Tax cut push led to sharp backlash | Wichita Eagle | July 26, 2017
The Constitution of the United States
Loving v. Virginia
Impoundment Control Act
Alien Enemies Act
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Writer and podcaster Carvell Wallace joins co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to discuss finding his way to the understanding that life is lived on a continuum and is not made up of neat endings and beginnings. He talks about how his childhood experiences with poverty, housing insecurity, and a frustrated creative genius of a single mother prepared him to understand the world. Wallace also discusses his expansive, generous approach to writing about both people he knows and loves and those he’s profiling as a journalist. He reads from his new memoir Another Word for Love.
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This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.
Carvell Wallace
Another Word for Love
Others:
Life is Elsewhere by Milan Kundera
Marilynne Robinson
Easy Rider
“Remembering Hollywood's Hays Code, 40 Years On” | All Things Considered, NPR | August 8, 2008
James Alan McPherson
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Following Donald Trump’s dinner at Mar-A-Lago with Ye (formerly Kanye West) and white supremacist Nick Fuentes, novelist Michael Knight joins hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to talk about the best and worst dinner parties in literature. They discuss the pressures of hosting, what makes someone a great guest, signature dishes, post-party regrets, and festive successes, as well as scenes in literature featuring all of these things. Knight also reads from a classic dinner party scene in his novella The Holiday Season.
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This podcast is produced by Anne Kniggendorf.
Selected Readings:
Michael Knight
The Typist
At Briarwood School for Girls
Divining Rod
Dogfight
Goodnight, Nobody
Eveningland
The Holiday Season
Others:
“The inside story of Trump’s explosive dinner with Ye and Nick Fuentes,” by Marc Caputo
The Days of Afrekete by Asali Solomon
To the Lighthouse by Virginia Woolf
Leo Tolstoy
“The 8 best Festivus moments from ‘Seinfeld,’ ranked,” USA Today
“Curb Your Enthusiasm”: Bad Middling
Bobcat and Other Stories by Rebecca Lee
Light Years by James Salter
Last Night by James Salter
Beloved by Toni Morrison
The Great Gatsby by F. Scott Fitzgerald
Mrs. Dalloway by Virginia Woolf
The Dark Tower VII by Stephen King
Fried Green Tomatoes at the Whistle Stop Cafe by Fannie Flagg
The Family Chao by Lan Samantha Chang
The Remains of the Day by Kazuo Ishiguro
Jim Harrison
Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll
Jesus’ Son by Denis Johnson
The Sun Also Rises by Ernest Hemingway
Redwall series by Brian Jacques
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Writer Ruben Reyes Jr. joins co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to discuss the Trump administration’s plans for mass deportation. Reyes explains how deportation could affect families or households with different immigration statuses, including those here through Deferred Action Childhood Arrival (commonly known as DACA) and with Temporary Protected Status. The three discuss Trump’s plans to involve the military in his efforts, and the difficulties he may face, given the interconnectedness of our social and economic systems. Reyes also talks about writing about the dehumanization of immigrants through science fiction and satire, and how he thinks about agency and possibility when he is portraying characters facing systemic oppression. He reads from his short story collection There is a Rio Grande in Heaven.
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This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.
Ruben Reyes Jr.
There is a Rio Grande in Heaven
Others:
“Trump is promising deportations under the Alien Enemies Act of 1798. What is it?” by Rachel Treisman | NPR
Stephen Miller
“Who is Usha Vance? Yale law graduate and wife of vice presidential nominee JD Vance” by Olivia Diaz |AP
Pedro Paramo by Juan Rulfo
"Trump's goal of mass deportations fell short. But he has new plans for a second term" by Elliot Spagat | AP
Donald Trump TIME Interview on 2024 Transcript | Time
"In Trump's mass deportation plan, the private prison industry sees a lucrative opportunity" by Laura Romero and Peter Charalambous | ABC News
"If Trump Wins the Election, This is What's at Stake" by Lauren Gambino | The Guardian
“Trump promised the 'largest deportation' in U.S. history. Here's how he might start” by Steve Inskeep and Christopher Thomas | NPR
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In the wake of the election, writer Maggie Tokuda-Hall joins co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to discuss what Project 2025 has in store for authors and book bans. Tokuda-Hall explains Project 2025’s misuse of terms like “critical race theory” and “pornography” and how these will be used to attack mainstream content, especially material by BIPOC and LGBTQ creators. She analyzes conservatives’ plans to make reading less accessible to the general population and talks about co-founding the new organization, Authors Against Book Bans. She also reflects on her experiences with corporate attempts to censor her books for children and young adults, the importance of libraries, and how individuals can resist by connecting with others and by understanding and focusing on their own expertise.
To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/
This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.
Maggie Tokuda-Hall
The Worst Ronin
The Siren, the Song, and the Spy
The Mermaid, the Witch, and the Sea
Love in the Library
Squad
Others:
Authors Against Book Bans
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 5, Episode 13: "Censoring the American Canon: Farah Jasmine Griffin on Book Bans Targeting Black Writers"
"The Republicans’ Project 2025 is Disastrous For Books," by James Folta | LitHub
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 5, Episode 12: "Intimate Contact: Garth Greenwell on Book Bans and Writing About Sex"
Alex DiFrancesco's resignation from Jessica Kingsley Publishers | X
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 6, Episode 52: "Brooklyn Public Library’s Leigh Hurwitz on Helping Young People Resist Censorship"
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 4, Episode 20: "Adam Serwer on Critical Race Theory and the Very American Fear of Owning Up to Our Racist Past and Present"
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 7, Episode 22: “Rachel Bitecofer on Democratic Strategies to Counter Republicans in the 2024 Election”
And Tango Makes Three by Justin Richardson, Peter Parnell, and Henry Cole
Idaho House Bill No. 710
Iowa Senate File 496
Book Bans | PEN America
Kimberlé Crenshaw
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Writer Jennifer Maritza McCauley joins co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to analyze the fallout from Tony Hinchcliffe’s “floating island of garbage” comment at Trump’s Madison Square Garden rally. McCauley—whose mother is Puerto Rican—discusses the island’s history and her communities’ reactions. McCauley reads her mother’s self-assured response to Hinchcliffe’s racism and reflects on the country’s distinctive mix of African, Spanish, and Indigenous populations. She also discusses the rights Puerto Ricans have and are denied, given their unusual status as U.S. citizens of a territory rather than a state. She reads from the title story of her collection, When Trying to Return Home, which includes many depictions of Puerto Rican identity.
To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/
This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.
Jennifer Maritza McCauley
Kinds of Grace
When Trying to Return Home
Scar On/Scar Off
Others:
"Pennsylvania: anger among Puerto Ricans in key swing state after racist remarks" by José Olivares | The Guardian
Tony Hinchcliffe
“Trump’s Derision of Haitians Goes Back Years” by Michael D. Shear | The New York Times
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 7, Episode 52: “Myriam J.A. Chancy on Haitian American Communities”
“Donald Trump is the First White President” by Ta-Nehisi Coates | The Atlantic | October 2017
Congresswoman Eleanor Holmes Norton
The Jones Act
“Trump at the Garden: A Closing Carnival of Grievances, Misogyny, and Racism” by Shane Goldmacher, Maggie Haberman and Michael Gold | The New York Times
X: “Bigot Coachella”
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In the lead-up to the presidential election, novelist Jess Walter returns to the show to revisit his previous comments about former president Donald Trump. Walter joins co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to discuss Trump’s dangerous decisions and inflammatory rhetoric, as well as how reactions to him have changed since 2016. Walter talks about former Trump cronies who have abandoned the candidate and endorsed Kamala Harris, and reflects on the inaction that has made it possible for Trump, a felon, to run for the presidency once more. He hazards a prediction about the election results, and reads from his short story “Town and Country,” which appeared in his recent story collection Angel of Rome.
To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/
This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.
Jess Walter
The Angel of Rome and Other Stories
The Cold Millions
Beautiful Ruins
Others:
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 1 Episode 6: "All the President's Shakespeare: Jess Walter and Kiki Petrosino"
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 4 Episode 4: “Life After Trump: Jess Walter and Jerald Walker on the Aftermath of Election 2020”
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 8 Episode 2: “Jeff Sharlet on ‘Sanewashing’ and Fascism”
Anderson Cooper interviews Kamala Harris | CNN | October 24, 2024
The Price of Power: How Mitch McConnell Mastered the Senate, Changed America, and Lost His Party by Michael Tackett
Liz Cheney
Lindsey Graham
Shark Tank
Hopium Chronicles by Simon Rosenberg
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 7 Episode 50: “Thomas Frank on How the Harris-Walz Ticket Can Win Red State Voters”
Veep
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In the wake of Hurricanes Helene and Milton, novelist Stephen Markley joins co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to discuss his novel The Deluge, which predicts and depicts the impact of climate change over the next couple of decades. Markley talks about researching and portraying the scale of catastrophic climate events, the role of the markets and other financial considerations in pushing world leaders to take the issue seriously, and which character in his novel was previously Kamala Harris. Markely also reflects on how in revision, he repeatedly had to scale up his fictional disasters to keep them ahead of actual events, the uncanny experience of forecasting disasters like Helene, and the movement leaders—including Bill McKibben, Al Gore, and James Hansen—he felt compelled to include in his novel. Markley reads from The Deluge.
Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/
This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf and Cheni Thein.
Stephen Markley
The Deluge
Ohio
Only Murders in the Building
Others:
Matthew Salesses on the Possibilities of Climate Fiction | Literary Hub
1984 by George Orwell
Ali Zaidi
Weather Underground
Climate Defiance
The End of Nature by Bill McKibben
The Stand by Stephen King
The Inflation Reduction Act
The Green New Deal
“Helene, Milton losses expected to surpass ‘truly historic’ $50 billion each” - CBS News
“Beyond Helene: Hurricane death toll tops 300 lives, with month left in season” - USA Today
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 4 Episode 15: Workshop Politics: Matthew Salesses on Centering the Marginalized Writer
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Linguist, writer, and professor Anne Curzan joins co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to discuss how language is constantly changing—and how that’s okay. Curzan talks about how, in her work as an English language historian, she’s learned that people have always been critical of usage changes; Ben Franklin, for instance, didn’t care for colonize as a verb. But, Curzan explains, as much as “grammandos” bemoan the evolution of language, it can’t be stopped—singular “they,” “funnest,” and “very unique” are here to stay. Curzan reads from her book, Says Who? A Kinder, Funner Usage Guide for Everyone Who Cares About Language.
To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/
This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.
Anne Curzan
Says Who? A Kinder, Funner Usage Guide for Everyone Who Cares About Words
“‘They’ has been a singular pronoun for centuries. Don’t let anyone tell you it’s wrong.” | October 21, 2021 | The Washington Post
Others:
Grammando
Declaration of Independence
Dreyer’s English: And Utterly Correct Guide to Clarity and Style by Benjamin Dreyer
The Elements of Style by William Strunk and E.B. White
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season: One Episode, 12: “C. Riley Snorton and T Fleischmann Talk Gender, Freedom, and Transitivity”
Antonin Scalia
Will Shortz
Maxine Hong Kingston
The American Heritage Dictionary
Urban Dictionary
Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary
Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
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Nonfiction writer Jeff Sharlet joins co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to discuss how mainstream media outlets sanitize Donald Trump’s rhetoric in their reporting rather than straightforwardly describing his words and behavior, an approach recently dubbed “sanewashing” by The New Republic’s Parker Molloy. Sharlet analyzes the term’s usefulness and also its limitations; talks about the need to describe fascism using the word itself; and reflects on who is now at the center of political discourse and who is at the fringe. He also considers whether popular new media influencers like the MeidasTouch Network and YouTuber Brian Tyler Cohen are really filling the need to describe Trump as he is. He reads from his book, The Undertow: Scenes from a Slow Civil War.
To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/
This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.
Jeff Sharlet
The Undertow: Scenes from a Slow Civil War
This Brilliant Darkness: A Book of Strangers
Sweet Heaven When I Die
C Street: The Fundamentalist Threat to American Democracy
The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power
Others:
"This genius website captures Trump’s weirdest debate quotes," by Grace Snelling | Fast Company
Lenny Bruce
The White Album by Joan Didion
The Anatomy of Fascism by Robert O. Paxton
Rick Perlstein
Brian Tyler Cohen
MeidasTouch Network
Jeffrey Ruoff
Susan Faludi
Lane Kirkland
Dietrich Bonhoeffer
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As the housing crisis worsens and Democratic presidential candidate Kamala Harris makes lowering housing prices a key part of her agenda, nonfiction writer Lola Milholland joins co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to discuss her experience with communal living. With traditional single-family homes economically out of reach for many Americans, Milholland talks about the social and financial benefits of living with others, including shared cooking and meals. She cautions that living with roommates will not solve the housing crisis and talks about the need for widespread and systemic change. She reads from her book, Group Living and Other Recipes.
To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/
This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.
Lola Milholland
Group Living and Other Recipes
Umi Organic
Living With Roommates Is Sorely Underrated |TIME
Can a $9 Lunch Cure Loneliness? | Oprah Daily
Others:
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 7, Episode 33: “Brandy Jensen on the Mainstreaming of Polyamory”
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 7, Episode 29: “Jen Silverman on Generational Divides in American Politics”
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 7, Episode 52: “Myriam J.A. Chancy on Haitian American Communities”
Joint Center for Housing Studies at Harvard
Joint Center for Housing Studies at Harvard: “Home Prices Far Outpace Incomes”
The Gift: How the Creative Spirit Transforms the World by Lewis Hyde
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Following Donald Trump and J.D. Vance’s racist smears against Haitian immigrants in Springfield, Ohio, author Myriam J.A. Chancy joins co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to talk about Haitian history and independence; imperialism in Haiti; immigration to and from Haiti; the positive and negative impacts social media has on Haitian communities; and how the current discourse obscures both Haitian past and present. Chancy reflects on the importance of translating Haitian literature into English, recommends the work of several other writers, and discusses the Expo of ’49, which brought people from around the world to Haiti. She reads a related scene from Village Weavers.
To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/
This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.
Myriam J.A. Chancy
Village Weavers
What Storm, What Thunder
Spirit of Haiti
Harvesting Haiti
Others:
Cléanthe Desgraves Valcin
Yanick Lahens
Marie-Célie Agnant
Valérie Bah
Lyonel Trouillot
Gary Victor
Mackenzy Orcel
Kettly Mars
“'It just exploded': Springfield woman claims she never meant to spark false rumors about Haitians” by Alicia Victoria Lozano | NBC News
“Opinion | Trump Knows What He’s Doing in Springfield. So Does Vance.” by Jamelle Bouie| The New York Times
“Marianne Williamson Defends Donald Trump’s Bizarre Haitian Pet-Eating Conspiracy” by Liam Archacki| Daily Beast
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As Vice President Kamala Harris's historic campaign for the presidency enters its final weeks, writer Ellen Emerson White joins co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to discuss her prescient 1984 novel The President's Daughter, which imagines the first woman president’s campaign and early days in the White House from the point of view of her teenage daughter. White reminisces about beginning the YA book when she was still a teenager herself and notes the uncanny similarities between a fictional presidential debate that appears in the book and the recent Trump-Harris showdown. White reflects on the qualities her character Katharine Powers shares with Kamala White—notably, a “likable, elegant swagger”—as well as how Powers’s cool bearing contrasts with Harris’s reputation for warmth. She talks about hitting pause on her current writing project following Harris’s entrance into the race, and reads from The President’s Daughter.
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This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.
Ellen Emerson White
“The President’s Daughter” series
A Season of Daring Greatly
Webster: Tale of an Outlaw
“The Echo Company” series
Others:
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 7 Episode 50: “Thomas Frank on How the Harris-Walz Ticket Can Win Red State Voters”
The Apprentice
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Political and cultural critic Thomas Frank joins host Whitney Terrell to discuss how Democrats and Republicans courted voters from the Midwest and South at their respective conventions. Frank gives reports from the floors of both the Republican and Democratic national conventions, which he attended. He analyzes the efforts that the Trump-Vance and Harris-Walz tickets have made to attract union and working class, “red state” votes. He also reads a passage from his famed 2004 book What’s the Matter with Kansas on the origin of the terms “red state” and “blue state” and discusses the surprising staying power, and fundamental absurdity, of these categories.
To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/
This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.
Thomas Frank
The People, No: A Brief History of Anti-populism
What’s the Matter With Kansas: How Conservatives Won the Heart of America
Listen, Liberal: Or, What Ever Happened to the Party of the People?
The Conquest of Cool: Business Culture, Counterculture, and the Rise of Hip Consumerism
Others:
Mother Night by Kurt Vonnegut
Motherless Brooklyn by Jonathan Lethem
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 3, episode 22: “The Unpopular Tale of Populism: Thomas Frank on the Real History of an American Mass Movement”
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 5, episode 31: “What Do Dems Do Now? Thomas Frank on How the Left Can Counter a Rogue Supreme Court”
David Brooks
John Podhoretz
Blake Hurst
Hulk Hogan
Kid Rock
Ted Cruz
Tucker Carlson
“Acid, amnesty - and abortion: 1972 and all that” by Michael Cross | Law Society Gazette | May 4, 2022
George McGovern
George Wallace
The New Deal
Robert Reich
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Nonfiction writer Alissa Quart joins co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to discuss how the American obsession with “bootstrap narratives” led to the publishing industry championing Hillbilly Elegy, the bestselling and problematic memoir by J.D. Vance, who was subsequently elected to the Senate and is now the Republican vice presidential nominee. Quart talks about Vance’s failure to credit those who have contributed to his success and reflects on both the fetishization of poverty and the importance of authentic representation. She also explains the long tradition of self-made man narratives and their underlying queer romantic elements, and compares Vance’s work to that of writers like Laura Ingalls Wilder and Horatio Alger. She critiques Vance’s recent remarks about childless and professional women and suggests the need for a more nuanced and expansive understanding of community. Quart talks about the nonprofit she leads, the Economic Hardship Reporting Project, and reads from her book, Bootstrapped: Liberating Ourselves from the American Dream.
To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/
This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.
Alissa Quart
Bootstrapped: Liberating Ourselves from the American Dream
Thoughts and Prayers
Squeezed: Why Our Families Can't Afford America
Monetized
Republic of Outsiders: The Power of Amateurs, Dreamers, and Rebels
Economic Hardship Reporting Project
"JD Vance is the Toxic Byproduct of America’s Obsession with Bootstrap Narratives" | Literary Hub
Others:
Laura Ingalls Wilder
Horatio Alger
Barbara Ehrenreich
Dorothy Allison
Elizabeth Catte
Alex Miller
Bobbi Dempsey
Ann Larson
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 6, Episode 32: “The East Palestine Train Derailment and Your Health: Kerri Arsenault on the Pervasive and Ongoing Risks of Dioxin”
“‘Dangerous and un-American’: new recording of JD Vance’s dark vision of women and immigration” by Jason Wilson | The Guardian
Hillbilly Elegy: A Memoir of a Family and Culture in Crisis
Going for Broke with Ray Suarez | The Nation
Going for Broke | NPR
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ProPublica reporter Joshua Kaplan joins co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to discuss his recent article on militia group American Patriots Three Percent, or AP3. Kaplan talks about group founder Scot Seddon, a former Army reservist, and how he created a movement whose members number gun control and the “LGBTQ agenda” among their grievances. Kaplan also reflects on AP3’s ties to law enforcement, the military, and elected officials, as well as their calculated attempts to brand themselves. He considers the recent history of militias in the U.S., including the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, and explains how that led to a loss of momentum for the movement, the subsequent rise of recruiting via Facebook, and the environment that allowed for the January 6 attack on the Capitol. Finally, he reflects on how Donald Trump fans the flames of extremist groups like AP3. Kaplan reads from his article.
To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/
This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.
Joshua Kaplan
"Armed and Underground: Inside the Turbulent, Secret World of an American Militia"
Others:
Oklahoma City Bombing
“Trump to Host ‘The J6 Awards Gala’ at His Bedminster Golf Club” by Owen Lavine | The Daily Beast
BlacKkKlansman
Mad Max
Keith Kidwell
Oath Keepers
Southern Poverty Law Center
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Following Elon Musk’s estranged daughter Vivian Jenna Wilson’s accusations of unethical behavior on the part of Musk’s authorized biographer, memoirist Kelly McMasters and biographer Iris Jamahl Dunkle join co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to talk about the ethics of biography. Dunkle, the author of Riding Like the Wind: The Life of Sanora Babb, talks about using archives to restore the history of Babb, the writer whose notes John Steinbeck used to research The Grapes of Wrath, and how women’s lives are often wrongly or incompletely depicted. McMasters, a memoirist whose recent book The Leaving Season: A Memoir portrays many people close to her, talks about the impossibility of writing honestly about her life without including her children, the two people with whom she spends the most time. Dunkle and McMasters discuss Wilson’s accusations against Walter Isaacson, whom she says did not directly contact her for comment for his recent book about her father, although much of his book refers to her life. The group also discusses recent revelations that Alice Munro failed to act when she learned that her second husband had abused her daughter, and how authorized biographies often omit full accounts of the truth. Dunkle and McMasters read from their work.
To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/
This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.
Iris Jamahl Dunkle
Riding Like the Wind: The Life of Sanora Babb
West: Fire: Archive
Charmian Kittredge London: Trailblazer, Author, Adventurer
Finding Lost Voices | Substack
Kelly McMasters
The Leaving Season: A Memoir
Welcome to Shirley: A Memoir From and Atomic Town
This Is the Place: Women Writing About Home
“The Ethics of Writing Hard Things in Family Memoir,” Literary Hub
Others:
Elon Musk by Walter Isaacson
“Musk’s Daughter Flames Dad’s Biographer: ‘You Threw Me to the Wolves’” by Dan Ladden-Hall | Daily Beast
J.D. Salinger
The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
“What do we Know about Alice Munro Now?” by Contance Grady | Vox
La Belle Noiseuse
The Hyacinth Girl: T.S. Eliot’s Hidden Muse by Lyndall Gordon
Loving Sylvia Plath: A Reclamation by Emily Van Duyne
Jackson Pollock
“What Virginia Woolf’s ‘Dreadnought Hoax’ Tells Us About Ourselves” by Danell Jones | January 25, 2024 | Literary Hub
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 6 Episode 19: “The Lives of the Wives: Carmela Ciuraru on Marriage, Writing, and Equity”
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Novelist Francine Prose joins co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to discuss her new book, 1974: A Personal History. Prose talks about her relationship with Tony Russo, who in collaboration with Daniel Ellsberg leaked the Pentagon Papers, a whistleblowing act which revealed decades of government lies about U.S. involvement in Vietnam; how the politics and progressive activism of today compare to those of half a century ago; and why that year was politically pivotal. She also reflects on how in 1974, the idea of government dishonesty was shocking, whereas today it’s a given. Prose reads from the book.
To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/
This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.
Francine Prose
1974: A Personal History
A Changed Man
Blue Angel
Anne Frank: the Book, The Life, the Afterlife
Others:
The Heritage Foundation
The Sixties: Big Ideas, Small Books by Jenny Diski
Opus Dei
J.D. Vance
Patty Hearst
RAND Corporation
Daniel Ellsberg
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 6, Episode 46: “Samuel G. Freedman on What Hubert Humphrey’s Fight for Civil Rights Can Teach Us Today”
Ground Truth | NPR
Journey to Italy
Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
Cato Institute
Pentagon Papers
Espionage Act
Comstock Act
Wag the Dog
Gravity’s Rainbow by Thomas Pynchon
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Marine biologist Jasmin Graham joins co-hosts V.V. Ganeshananthan and Whitney Terrell to discuss her new book, Sharks Don’t Sink: Adventures of a Rogue Shark Scientist, which is about the beauty and diversity of sharks and her career studying them inside and outside of academia. Graham, who left a doctoral program and subsequently founded the community-based organization Minorities in Shark Science to make the field more accessible and inclusive, unpacks how Jaws-inspired fears about sharks fail to understand the species. She also talks about seeing similarities in how sharks and Black people are misrepresented, misunderstood, brutalized, and threatened. Graham reads from Sharks Don’t Sink.
To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/
This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.
Jasmin Graham
Sharks Don't Sink: Adventures of a Rogue Shark Scientist
“How Japanese-American Scientist Eugenie Clark Spearheaded the Study of Sharks” | Literary Hub
Others:
"50 Years Ago, ‘Jaws’ Hit Bookstores, Capturing the Angst of a Generation" by Brian Raftery | The New York Times
Opinion | "What is Trump’s shark story really about?" by Eugene Robinson | The Washington Post
Opinion | "What is going on inside Trump’s mind?" by Eugene Robinson | The Washington Post
Jaws by Peter Benchley
Deep Wizardry by Diane Duane
Finding Nemo
Shark Tale
Shark Week
SharkFest
Apocalypse Now
Anthony Swofford
Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 7, Episode 25: "Ivy Pochoda on Caitlin Clark and Women Athletes”
Nyad
“Donald Trump Mocked Over 'Bizarre Rant' About Sharks” | video | Newsweek
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