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Trump Wins, Good Faith Reacts
America elected a new president, and a familiar administration is poised to return to the White House. What does it all mean for Christians? Host Curtis Chang is joined by "founding friend" David French and public theologian Russell Moore to explore the intense emotions many are experiencing in the wake of this election. Together, they dive into listener questions about the global repercussions of another Trump presidency, the complex feelings some Christians experience about the political choices of fellow believers, and the evolving role of the church in a deeply divided America. Confronting shared experiences of anguish, alienation, and anger, the trio offers thoughtful insights into how we can navigate this challenging landscape of emotions about the known and unknown implications of the vote.
Referenced in this Episode:
Engage with our course The After Party
Read an interview with Reinhold Niebuhr HERE
Read Henry David Thoreau’s Walden online
More on Augustine and the fall of Rome
Neil Postman predicted Donald Trump in 1985
Explore the J.R.R. Tolkien Society HERE
85 quotations from Tolkien's Lord of the Rings
C.S. Lewis on courage
Listen to The Kingdom of Jesus by the Jon Guerra, Sandra McCracken, and Porter’s Gate
More From David French:
Read David French’s opinion pieces HERE
Follow David French on Threads
Listen to David on the Advisory Opinions podcast
More From Russell Moore:
Read Russell Moore’s Losing Our Religion: An Altar Call for Evangelical America
Listen to The Russell Moore Show podcast
Explore Russell’s Christianity Today pieces
Listen to Songs For the After Party, get sheet music, lyrics, and prayers for your church.
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Are you ready to cast your ballot?
In this final episode before the presidential election, host Curtis Chang and “founding friend” David French explore the tense feelings and tough questions Christians face as they prepare to vote. They explore how political instability might actually be a gift that pushes Jesus followers to adopt a mindset that seeks to defend the vulnerable, and when it’s necessary challenges “people of good will.” Curtis and David also discuss how social media often amplifies instability rather than providing insight, the importance of finding a virtuous purpose amid uncertainty, and the need for prayers of lament.
Referenced in this Episode:
Read Curtis Chang’s Washington Post opinion piece Anxious about the nail-biter election? Here's how to survive it.
Read Augustine’s City of God online
Read Curtis Chang’s book Engaging Unbelief: A Captivating Strategy from Augustine and Aquinas
Read Anne Frank’s The Diary of a Young Girl
Engage with our course The After Party
Engaging with Prayers of Lamentation:
Learning to Lament: A Guide to Praying in Our Hardest Moments
Dare to Hope in God: How to Lament Well
More From David French:
Read David French’s opinion pieces HERE
Follow David French on Threads
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Join us for the following The After Party/Good Faith virtual events:
November 4th all-comers election eve noontime prayer
November 6th post-election podcast recording
Listen to Songs For the After Party, get sheet music, lyrics, and prayers for your church.
Enter to win the Good Faith Book Giveaway: The After Party Edition!
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Why is truth-telling so hard to do within the church? Host Curtis Chang and renowned therapist and author Dan Allender explore the complex crossroads of theology and psychology, tracing the evolving, sometimes fraught relationship between the Christian church and therapy. With warmth and candor, Dr. Allender shares both his love for and ambivalence toward psychotherapy, reflecting on how it can challenge our understanding of the role trauma plays in the search for God’s truth. Together, they invite listeners to consider how an imaginative rethinking of the "war within you" can open new pathways to authentic worship.
Drawing upon material from a past conversation, this episode will inspire a continued reimagining of therapy’s place in faith communities.
Join the Redeeming Babel Team: Marketing Manager Job Opening
Join us for the following The After Party/Good Faith virtual events:
October 28th pre-election podcast recording
November 4th all-comers election eve noontime prayer
November 6th post-election podcast recording
Listen to Songs For the After Party, get sheet music, lyrics, and prayers for your church.
Bring The After Party course to your church or small group!
Enter to win the Good Faith Book Giveaway: The After Party Edition!
Referenced in this Episode
Read Calvin’s Institutes online
Learn more about Christian Smith and Melissa Lundquist Denton’s Moralistic Therapeutic Deism
Find out about Viktor Frankl’s logotherapy
Read about Rollo Mae and existential therapy
Read C.S. Lewis’s "Weight of Glory" sermon online
More From Dan Allender:
Learn more about Dan’s work at The Allender Center
Check out Dan Allender’s books
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"What if much of what you’ve been told about Heaven was incorrect?" Host Curtis Chang is joined by Skye Jethani, author and co-host of the Holy Post podcast, for a conversation about the widespread misconceptions of Heaven. Together, they unpack why many of us have been asking the wrong questions about Heaven. For instance, rather than asking “Is Heaven real?" or “Who is going to Heaven?” Christians are called by Jesus to make Heaven more real in the here and now, including in our vocation, family, and even how we care for the Earth. Join them in this shift from a Heaven-focused faith to a Christ-centered practice that brings Heaven and Earth closer together than you might have imagined.
Join the Redeeming Babel Team: Marketing Manager Job Opening
Join us for the following The After Party/Good Faith virtual events:
October 28th pre-election podcast recording
November 4th all-comers election eve noontime prayer
November 6th post-election podcast recording
Listen to Songs For the After Party, get sheet music, lyrics, and prayers for your church.
Bring The After Party course to your church or small group!
Enter to win the Good Faith Book Giveaway: The After Party Edition!
Referenced in this Episode
Read what N.T. Wright believes the New Testament says about Heaven
Watch The Bible Project video about the overlapping of Heaven and Earth
Read about the Heresy of Eusebius
Read Richard Mouw’s essay Heaven: The Logic of Eternal Joy
Read an excerpt from Andy Crouch’s Culture Making about "culture as the furniture of Heaven"
More From Skye Jethani:
Check out Skye’s work at The Holy Post
Subscribe to Skye’s daily devotional With God Daily
Explore Skye’s books including What If Jesus Was Serious About Heaven?
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Who are the men and women that will be needed to shape tomorrow’s politics towards something better? Host Curtis Chang and Good Faith "founding friend" David French take on the role of political talent scouts, spotlighting five sleeper political figures that we should have on our radar. From "prodigals" and "exiles" to "warriors," they profile the kind of leaders necessary to point America beyond the 2024 election. This insightful conversation is essential for anyone focusing on the long game in today’s political landscape.
Join the Redeeming Babel Team: Marketing Manager Job Opening
Enter to win the Good Faith Book Giveaway: The After Party Edition!
Listen to Songs For the After Party, get sheet music, lyrics, and prayers for your church.
Bring The After Party course to your church or small group!
Join Curtis Chang in Texas! Details Here
Referenced in this Episode
Watch Senator James Lankford defend the recent immigration bill
Read about Governor Spencer Cox’s posture of Healthy Conflict
Watch Governor Spencer Cox’s political advertisement with his rival
Read about Lt. Governor Deidre Henderson’s take on election integrity
Watch Governor Josh Shapiro’s PA rally victim comments
Explore former Congressman Adam Kinzinger’s Country First movement
Read the Washington Post op/ed about former Congressman Mike Gallagher
Read about the bipartisan national security & military leaders supporting Harris in 2024
More From David French:
Read David French’s opinion pieces HERE
Follow David French on Threads
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The world offers many misleading messages about disability. Host Curtis Chang and author Amy Julia Becker challenge these misconceptions, especially around what makes a life "valuable." Drawing from her journey raising a daughter with Down Syndrome, Becker highlights the profound differences between pity, compassion, and a curiosity that honors the intrinsic worth of every person. They discuss how faith communities can more meaningfully welcome and support families of children with Down Syndrome and other disabilities. Becker also offers practical questions to help Jesus followers engage with and better understand the experiences of families walking a path similar to her own.
Join the Redeeming Babel Team: Marketing Manager Job Opening
Listen to Songs For the After Party, get sheet music, lyrics, and prayers for your church.
Bring The After Party course to your church or small group!
Join Curtis Chang in Texas! Details Here
Referenced in this Episode
Read Galation 5:22-26 HERE
Learn more about Down Syndrome in the United States
Read about The impact of implicit and explicit bias about disabilities on parent experiences and information provided during prenatal screening and testing
Explore Amy Julia Becker’s work:
Listen to Reimagining The Good Life podcast
Read Amy Julia’s blog
Check out Amy Julia’s website
Buy & Read Amy Julia’s books (amazon)
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How do we make sense of the world when we know our time is limited? Host Curtis Chang talks about this universal question with Amy Low, whose recent memoir The Brave In Between: Notes from the Last Room chronicles the lessons learned from her now five-year-long journey with a terminal cancer diagnosis. Together, they unpack Amy's powerful reminder that "the worst thing in life is not the last thing," offering hopeful insights into what it means to face suffering well. Their conversation delves into how to care for oneself and loved ones even when the future is uncertain… and how even to laugh amidst the hard things of life.
Join the Redeeming Babel Team: Marketing Manager Job Opening
Listen to Songs For the After Party, get sheet music, lyrics, and prayers for your church.
Bring The After Party course to your church or small group!
Join Curtis Chang in Texas! Details Here
Referenced in this Episode
Read More about Chadwick Boseman and “What to Know About Colon Cancer”
Frederick Buechner’s book: Telling the Truth: The Gospel as Tragedy, Comedy and Fairy Tale
Read Frederick Buechner’s thoughts on GRACE
Explore Amy Low’s work:
Read Amy’s Book: The Brave In-Between: Notes from the Last Room
Check out Amy’s substack: Postcards From the Mountain
Learn more about The Emerson Collective
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Are we on the brink of a post-human world? Host Curtis Chang is joined by author and Good Faith contributor Andy Crouch to delve into what it means to remain truly human in an era of growing AI powers. Together, they explore how followers of Jesus can help shape and adopt artificial intelligence to enhance rather than diminish the Imago Dei. They challenge listeners to exert authority over AI, including resisting the false ways that technology makes relationships appear effortless and frictionless, and instead pursue the more difficult but rewarding vision of genuine human community.
Listen to Songs For the After Party, get sheet music, lyrics, and prayers for your church.
Bring The After Party course to your church or small group!
Join the Redeeming Babel Team: Marketing Manager Job Opening
Referenced in this Episode
Read Rosario Butterfield’s book: The Gospel Comes with a House Key
Read Ruth Okediji’s ebook: Copyright in a Global Information Economy
Read Ruth Okediji’s paper: The Limits of International Copyright Exceptions for Developing Countries
Read Leopold Aschenbrenner’s paper: Situational Awareness, The Decade Ahead
Explore Andy Crouch’s work:
Check out Andy’s website
Check out Andy’s work at Praxis
Read Andy’s book: The Life We're Looking For
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How does God meet us in the spaces and actions that seem insignificant? Host Curtis Chang welcomes Grammy-winning producer Charlie Peacock and his wife, author Andi Ashworth, to explore just that – the profound mystery and importance of small things. The couple cofounded Art House America and explain what blossomed in the old church building they once called home thanks to their investment in a life of hospitality. Among other things, they tell the tale of how a certain Irish houseguest named Bono ignited a movement in their living room that would go on to save millions of lives. Curtis also wades into a topic that few of us consider: the ministry of cooking. You don’t want to miss this Good Faith conversation.
Listen to Songs For the After Party, get sheet music, lyrics, and prayers for your church.
Bring The After Party course to your church or small group!
Referenced in this Episode
Read Charlie Peacock & Andi Ashworth’s book Why Everything That Doesn't Matter Matters So Much
Learn more about Art House America
Visit Andrew Peterson’s Rabbit Room online
Learn more about the L'Abri community
Learn more about the U.S. President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR)
Watch Bono's remarks on PEPFAR on its 20th Anniversary
Explore Charlie Peacock and Andi Ashworth’s work:
Find Charlie Peacock’s substack HERE
Listen to Charlie Peacock’s new album Every Kind of Uh-Oh
Read the collection of Andi Ashworth’s pieces for Comment HERE
Buy & Read Andi Ashworth’s book Real Love for Real Life: The Art and Work of Caring
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Host Curtis Chang and guest Pete Wehner (columnist at The Atlantic and former speechwriter for George W. Bush) share their personal journeys to their pro-life convictions, while also explaining how their views depart from much of the politics and practices of the current pro-life movement. They examine how this issue has distorted evangelicals, Trump, and the Republican Party. Curtis also reframes the politics of abortion through the Old Testament offices of “prophet, priest, and king,” offering a way to understand how Christians can most helpfully integrate their religious beliefs with their social engagement.
Listen to Songs For the After Party, get sheet music, lyrics, and prayers for your church.
Bring The After Party course to your church or small group!
Let the Good Faith podcast “Stack Your Shelf.” Enter HERE to win 16 books by friends of the pod.
Join Curtis Chang in person:
See Curtis Chang and David French at Redeemer Presbyterian Church in NYC
See Curtis Chang and Tim Alberta at Wheaton College
For a window into the hermeneutical debate over Exodus 21:22-25:
Read this pro-life analysis of the text from an article in Christianity Today (written in 1973 but still relevant)
Read this balanced take (also from a pro-life writer) of the problems with “proof-texting” practiced by both sides
For an even more detailed overview about the interpretive challenges in play with Exodus 21 and other passages, read Mako Nagasawa’s book, Abortion Policy and Christian Social Ethics in the United States.
Referenced in this episode:
Read Charles Krauthammer’s Washington Post opinion piece from February 15, 1985 "Abortion Debate: Just Words"
Watch the trailer for Juno, Diablo Cody’s 2007 film about teenage pregnancy
Pew Research Center What the data says about abortion in the U.S.
Crisis pregnancy care through Avail NYC and Claris Health
Explore Peter Wehner’s work:
Read Peter Wehner’s The Atlantic article from August 27, 2024: Trump’s Evangelical Supporters Just Lost Their Best Excuse
Read more of Peter Wehner’s opinion pieces in The Atlantic
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Host Curtis Chang is joined by Dr. Hahrie Han, a political scientist at Johns Hopkins University and the Director of the SNF Agora Institute, to explore how evangelical churches relate to racial and political issues. Drawing from her research on a multi-ethnic evangelical church in Cincinnati and insights from Redeeming Babel's "The After Party" project, Dr. Han reveals how cross-racial relationships within faith communities can help heal racial division and foster deeper belonging. Listeners will discover why facing questions of race and politics head-on, rather than reducing them to political buzzwords, can transform divisive issues into shared experiences that unite communities.
Listen to Songs For the After Party, get sheet music, lyrics, and prayers for your church.
Bring The After Party course to your church or small group!
Let the Good Faith podcast “Stack Your Shelf.” Enter HERE to win 16 books by friends of the pod.
Join Curtis Chang in person:
See Curtis Chang and David French at Redeemer Presbyterian Church in NYC
See Curtis Chang and Tim Alberta at Wheaton College
Referenced in this episode:
Read Robert Putnam’s book Bowling Alone (Amazon)
Learn more about Crossroads Church in Cincinnati
Learn more about the Undivided Program
Learn more about Pastor Chuck Mingo
Listen to Curtis and David’s Good Faith conversation about “white replacement theory” with Chuck Mingo
Listen to Curtis’s Good Faith conversation about churches who exploit political controversies with Chuck Mingo
Explore Hahrie Han’s work:
Hahrie’s work at John Hopkins’s P3 Lab
Read Hahrie Han’s book Undivided
Explore Hahrie Han’s other books HERE
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Host Curtis Chang and "founding friend" David French dive into the five stories that dominated David's summer. From Ukraine's bold advance into Russia and the failed assassination attempt on Donald Trump to Joe Biden's unexpected exit from the presidential race and a pair of astronauts lost in space, they cover it all. They even offer a moment of awe in honor of Steph Curry's golden moment at the Paris Olympics. The Psalms and Tolkien get obligatory shout outs, too. It's been one wild summer, and the original Good Faith team is here to unpack it all.
Listen to Songs For the After Party, get sheet music, lyrics, and prayers for your church.
Bring The After Party course to your church or small group!
Let the Good Faith podcast “Stack Your Shelf.” Enter HERE to win 16 books by friends of the pod.
**Keep listening to Good Faith to learn where you can catch David & Curtis in person**
Referenced in this episode by Curtis and David:
Learn more about Buzz Aldrin's lunar communion (with photos of his handwritten Psalm 8 quote)
Read Psalm 8 HERE
Steph Curry gets Team USA over the finish line in gold medal game
Scholarly paper on religion in Tolkien’s work, including a reference to: "The wind is in the West"
Read Psalm 133 HERE
David French writes about Ukraine’s advance into Russia
Read about Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s rejection of a United States’ evacuation offer in 2022
Learn more about George Washington’s Society of the Cincinnati
Read about "Workism" and the Pew Research that unpacks it
Read “The Business of Being Lorne Michaels”
After the Trump assassination attempt failed, Kimberly Cheatle, the Secret Service Director, resigns
More From David French:
Read David French’s opinion pieces HERE
Follow David French on Threads
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Curtis Chang and worship leader Isaac Wardell are joined by renowned musicians Matt Maher, Sandra McCracken, and Jon Guerra, alongside poet Kate Bluett and Grammy-winning songwriter Dee Wilson. These talented artists are pivotal contributors to The Porter's Gate's worship album for the Redeeming Babel project, The After Party. They share their unique perspectives on how worship music can help navigate the current political challenges faced by American churches of all denominations. The group also offers an inside look at the creative process behind powerful tracks like "The Kingdom of Jesus," "The Lord Will Have His Way," and more.
Listen to Songs For the After Party, get sheet music, lyrics, and prayers for your church
Bring The After Party course to your church or small group!
Referenced in this episode by Curtis and his guests:
Read more about Scottish patriot Andrew Fletcher
Listen to “My Deliverer” by Rich Mullins’ Ragamuffin Band
Listen to Howard University’s gospel choir perform “Lift Every Voice and Sing”
Transcript of Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.’s March 17, 1966 speech
Lost audio from Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.’s February 26, 1965 sermon
Listen to Matt Maher’s song “Sons and Daughters”
Watch the trailer and clips from Terrence Malick’s A Hidden Life HERE
Listen to the score from Terrance Malick’s film A Hidden Life HERE
Read 2 Corinthians 5:11-21 (the ministry of reconciliation) HERE
Learn more about our guests:
Isaac Wardell & The Porter’s Gate
The Music of Matt Maher
The Liturgical Poetry of Kate Bluett
The Devotional Songwriting of Jon Guerra
The Work of Sandra McCracken
The Common Hymnal of Dee Wilson
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Host Curtis Chang welcomes Rev. Summer Joy Gross, author of The Emmanuel Promise, to explore how a broken attachment to God can amplify anxieties stemming from politics, interpersonal relationships, and global events like the crisis in Israel. Rev. Gross, drawing on her expertise as a spiritual director and her study of Attachment Theory, shares intentional spiritual practices to help cultivate a deeper attunement to God in all our emotions. This conversation offers practical steps to move beyond avoidance and frustration, guiding listeners toward greater internal security.
Bring The After Party course to your church or small group!
Listen to Songs For the After Party, get sheet music, lyrics, and prayers for your church
Connect with the work of Rev. Summer Joy Gross HERE
Summer Joy Gross's book: The Emmanuel Promise - Discovering the Security of a Life Held by God
REFERENCED IN THIS EPISODE:
To Be A Christian: An Anglican Catechism as edited by J.I. Packer
Dallas Willard on Spiritual Formation
Excerpt from Jim Wilder's book Renovated (Dallas Willard's concept of being attached to God)
Sungshim Loppnow and Jim Wilder's book: Joyful Journey: Listening to Immanuel
How to pray St. Ignatius's Examen
Jim Manney's Book: A Simple, Life-Changing Prayer - Discovering the Power of St. Ignatius Loyola's Examen
Grafted Directory of Evangelical Spiritual Directors Association (ESDA)
Register for the Kingdom Politics Conference HERE
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Host Curtis Chang sits down with Pastor Caleb Campbell, author of the new book Disarming Leviathan: Loving Your Christian Nationalist Neighbor. Caleb shares his powerful journey from disenfranchised young churchgoer to neo-nazi, and ultimately, his transformation into an evangelical pastor with a desire to reach adherents of Christian Nationalism. Together, Curtis and Caleb explore how our friends and neighbors become entangled in the worship of nationalism and political power and offer practical steps for inviting these individuals into meaningful relationships that foster hope and change.
Bring The After Party course to your church or small group!
Listen to Songs For the After Party, get sheet music, lyrics, and prayers for your church
Donate to Redeeming Babel HERE
Order Caleb E. Campbell's book: Disarming Leviathan Loving Your Christian Nationalist Neighbor
REFERENCED IN THIS EPISODE:
Rich Mullins' Song: Sometimes By Step
Galatians 6:1-2 NIV
Tim Keller: Preaching to the Collective Heart (blog post)
Pete Scazzaro's book: Emotionally Healthy Spirituality
Register for the Kingdom Politics Conference HERE
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How Deep Reading Forms Our Souls (with Jessica Hooten Wilson)
Host Curtis Chang and award-winning author Jessica Hooten Wilson, the Fletcher Jones Chair of Great Books at Pepperdine University, discuss the decline of deep reading and how this might impact our lives. Hooten Wilson explains the significant benefits that listeners can experience by thoughtfully re-engaging with books as a regular practice. The conversation explores how deep reading can help individuals cultivate contemplation, love their neighbors, practice humility, and other aspects of deep spiritual growth.
Bring The After Party course to your church or small group!
Listen to Songs For the After Party, get sheet music, lyrics, and prayers for your church
Donate to Redeeming Babel HERE
Follow Jessica Hooten Wilson's work
Order Jessica Hooten Wilson's latest book: Flannery O’Connor’s Why Do the Heathen Rage?: A Behind-the-Scenes Look at a Work in Progress
Order Jessica Hooten Wilson's book: Reading for the Love of God How to Read as a Spiritual Practice
REFERENCED IN THIS EPISODE:
The Daily Office Online
Reader, Come Home: The Reading Brain in a Digital World by Maryanne Wolf
Forgetting: The Benefits of Not Remembering by Scott A. Small
The Pleasures of Reading in an Age of Distraction by Alan Jacobs
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Host Curtis Chang and Pete Wehner, a former speechwriter for President George W. Bush, engage in a thought-provoking discussion about tackling inner demons amidst America’s current political upheaval. They delve into topics such as the attempted assassination of former President Donald Trump, President Joe Biden's determination to continue despite pressure to exit the race, and what our reactions to these events reveal about ourselves. The conversation gets personal as they examine the difference between moral reflection and moral equivalency during times of national instability.
Bring The After Party course to your church or small group!
Read Pete Wehner's latest essays in The Atlantic
Listen to The Kingdom of Jesus and get sheet music, lyrics, and prayers for your church
Donate to Redeeming Babel HERE
REFERENCED IN THIS EPISODE:
President Lincoln's Lyceum Address
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Host Curtis Chang and Good Faith contributor Andy Crouch strike a chord in their exploration of the dynamics of modern Christian worship music. Their conversation covers the ways that average Christians are becoming limited in their singing abilities, the concert-like performance style of worship leaders in our sanctuaries, and the commercial influence of Contemporary Christian Music (CCM). Curtis and Andy contend a musical reformation in the worship lives of believers is needed urgently today, and offer some practical tips on how to get started.
Listen to The Kingdom of Jesus and get sheet music, lyrics, and prayers for your church
Join us for Office Hours with Curtis: July 16th at 7:30pm Eastern
Donate to Redeeming Babel HERE
Bring The After Party course to your church or small group!
REFERENCED IN THIS EPISODE:
Buy Ken Myers book All God's Children Wear Blue Suede Shoes: Christians & Popular Culture (Amazon)
Beautiful Things by Gungor
Job 3 (Job’s First Lament) ESV
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Host Curtis Chang goes back to school and sits down with Geneva College President Dr. Calvin Troup and student Mattigan Burleigh to explore the college's long-standing political coursework, dating back to 1881. They delve into how, in an era fraught with political anxiety, the culture of niceness has eroded an authentic engagement across differences. Listen and learn how to serve your communities by focusing on Jesus as the central norm in our common life.
Learn more about Geneva College's Political Science program here
Donate to Redeeming Babel HERE
Bring The After Party course to your church or small group!
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In the second part of their extensive conversation, host Curtis Chang and author Tim Alberta discuss how some people in the church use the message of the cross as a weapon to exert political power over others, thus diluting its significance. They explore how many truth-seeking non-believers are put off by what they perceive as the hypocritical political engagement of some evangelicals. Curtis and Tim also hold a question-and-answer session that provides helpful strategies for staying focused on the gospel when Christian political culture distorts the message.
Listen to The Kingdom of Jesus and get sheet music, lyrics, and prayers for your church
Donate to Redeeming Babel HERE
Bring The After Party course to your church or small group!
The Kingdom, the Power, and the Glory: American Evangelicals in an Age of Extremism (Available on Amazon)
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