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In this heartfelt farewell episode of The Business Side of Music Podcast, we say goodbye to our host, mentor, and friend, Bob Bender. As we close this chapter, we reflect on the incredible journey, invaluable lessons, and unforgettable moments shared with our listeners. Thank you for being part of this community and for supporting the podcast through the years. Join us as we celebrate Bobâs legacy and bid a fond farewell to the show.
Bob Bender:
With over 45 years experience in the music entertainment industry, Bob Bender has produced over 300 Tours, Festivals, and concerts throughout the United States, Canada, Europe, Mexico, and Japan.
Bender worked in the capacity of Tour Manager for such artists including Ringo Starr and his All-Starr Band, Billy Preston, Dwight Twilley, Lisa Lisa & the Cult Jam, Rick Derringer, Edgar Winter, A Flock of Seagulls, Mark Lindsay (of Paul Revere & The Raiders fame), New Kids on The Block, and Gene Pitney, just to name a few.
He also held the position of Manager of Artist Development for Curb Records, representing such label acts as Tim McGraw, LeAnn Rimes, Jo Dee Messina, and Hank Williams Jr. In addition, Bob oversaw the Christian retail division for the label, and helped develop it into a million-dollar division for the company, eventually becoming the Director of Sales for Curb Records.
Bender went on to manage the legendary Michael Martin Murpheyâs record label âWestFest Recordsâ. Under Bobâs direction, Murphey re-released his 1970âs hit single âWildfireâ as a new mix with the popular country group âLonestarâ, appearing on mainstream radio after an absence of over 20 years, with over 400 country stations playing his hit song, along with appearances on television, including CBSâs âLate Night with David Lettermanâ.
Bob has also overseen television promotion and infomercial marketing campaigns for various country, pop, and Christian artists. He has produced, co-produced, and marketed numerous concert DVD projects, including Tommy Cashâs âFade to Blackâ concert and Eric Durranceâs âTurn It Offâ video (which climbed to #17 on GACâs âCountry Countdownâ charts).
Other various television credits include the âCelebration for Young Americansâ television concert special for George H. Bushâs 1989 presidential inauguration, the âBilly Preston Live in Atlantaâ concert, and the USOâs âOperation Homecomingâ television concert special filmed aboard the USS Ranger aircraft carrier during Desert Storm.
In 2015, Bender entered a new direction by beginning production on a television series titled âSongs in the Spotlight,â the first season of which was picked up by Hulu.
In addition to his television credits, Bob has produced multiple album projects, including a live-in concert CD for Grammy-award-winning artist Billy Preston, Gospel recording artist Joanne Cash (Johnny Cashâs sister), Americana act Steven L. Smith Band (earning a first-round Grammy nomination for Americana Album of the Year), Country music singer Whitney Wattenbarger, pop group Grant My Wishes, and heavy metal band Se7en Dead.
Other accomplishments include Serving on the CMTA Board of Directors for the Gospel Music Association, being a guest lecturer at Belmont University in Nashville, hosting panels at MTSU, and speaking on the business aspects of the music industry.
Currently, Bender is producing and hosting a podcast series called âThe Business Side of Music,â recorded in Nashville, TN. This series consistently ranks in the Top 15 of Music Interview shows on Apple Music, has over 250,000 downloads, is listened to in 120 countries around the world, and was recently ranked in the Top 20 music industry podcasts to listen to.
Creator and Executive Producer Emeritus: Tom Sabella Showrunner and Host (the guy who has a face for podcasting): Bob Bender Management Representation: Chuck Thompson for Thompson Entertainment Group, LLC Co-Producer - Audio/Video Editor (the man behind the curtain): Mark Sabella Director of Video and Continuity (the brains of the entire operation): Deborah Halle Marketing and Social Media (all knowing): Sarah Fleshner for 362 Entertainment All Around Problem Solver (and Mental Health Therapist for us): Connie Ribas Recorded inside what could be an old beat up Airstream Trailer located somewhere on whatâs left of Music Row in Nashville TN (Man we sure do miss Noshville, and the Longhorn Steakhouse) Mixed and Mastered at Music Dog Studios in Nashville, TN Editing and Post at Midnight Express Studio located in Olian, NY Production Sound Design: Keith Stark Voice Over and Promo: Lisa FusonSpecial Thanks to the creator and founder of the podcast, Tom Sabella, along with Traci Snow for producing and hosting over 100 episodes of the original "Business Side of Music" podcast and trusting us to carry on their legacy.
The views, thoughts, and opinions expressed on this show provided by the guest(s), are those of the guest(s) own, and do not necessarily represent the views, thoughts, and opinions of the host or producers of this podcast. The material and information presented here is for general information purposes only. The Business Side of Musicâs name and all forms and abbreviations are the property of its owner (Lotta Dogs Productions LLC), and its use does not imply endorsement of or opposition to any specific organization, product, or service.
Copyright © 2024 Lotta Dogs Productions, LLC, All rights reserved.
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In this episode of The Business Side of Music Podcast, host Bob Bender sits down with Jeff Delia to discuss the intricacies of artist management and the evolving music industry. From building artist careers to navigating industry challenges, they share valuable insights and real-world experiences. Donât miss this deep dive into the business side of making music.
Creator and Executive Producer Emeritus: Tom Sabella Showrunner and Host (the guy who has a face for podcasting): Bob Bender Management Representation: Chuck Thompson for Thompson Entertainment Group, LLC Co-Producer - Audio/Video Editor (the man behind the curtain): Mark Sabella Director of Video and Continuity (the brains of the entire operation): Deborah Halle Marketing and Social Media (all knowing): Sarah Fleshner for 362 Entertainment All Around Problem Solver (and Mental Health Therapist for us): Connie Ribas Recorded inside what could be an old beat up Airstream Trailer located somewhere on whatâs left of Music Row in Nashville TN (Man we sure do miss Nashville, and the Longhorn Steakhouse) Mixed and Mastered at Music Dog Studios in Nashville, TN Editing and Post at Midnight Express Studio located in Olian, NY Production Sound Design: Keith Stark Voice Over and Promo: Lisa FusonSpecial Thanks to the creator and founder of the podcast, Tom Sabella, along with Traci Snow for producing and hosting over 100 episodes of the original "Business Side of Music" podcast and trusting us to carry on their legacy.
The views, thoughts, and opinions expressed on this show provided by the guest(s), are those of the guest(s) own, and do not necessarily represent the views, thoughts, and opinions of the host or producers of this podcast. The material and information presented here is for general information purposes only. The Business Side of Musicâs name and all forms and abbreviations are the property of its owner (Lotta Dogs Productions LLC), and its use does not imply endorsement of or opposition to any specific organization, product, or service.
Copyright © 2024 Lotta Dogs Productions, LLC, All rights reserved.
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Join host Bob Bender on The Business Side of Music Podcast as he dives into the world of rock and roll and the modern music industry with special guest Donovan White. Together, they explore the evolution of the industry, share behind-the-scenes stories, and discuss the challenges and opportunities facing artists today. Whether you're a music enthusiast or an industry insider, this episode offers unique insights and a fresh perspective on the ever-changing business of music.
Creator and Executive Producer Emeritus: Tom Sabella Showrunner and Host (the guy who has a face for podcasting): Bob Bender Management Representation: Chuck Thompson for Thompson Entertainment Group, LLC Co-Producer - Audio/Video Editor (the man behind the curtain): Mark Sabella Director of Video and Continuity (the brains of the entire operation): Deborah Halle Marketing and Social Media (all knowing): Sarah Fleshner for 362 Entertainment All Around Problem Solver (and Mental Health Therapist for us): Connie Ribas Recorded inside what could be an old beat up Airstream Trailer located somewhere on whatâs left of Music Row in Nashville TN (Man we sure do miss Noshville, and the Longhorn Steakhouse) Mixed and Mastered at Music Dog Studios in Nashville, TN Editing and Post at Midnight Express Studio located in Olian, NY Production Sound Design: Keith Stark Voice Over and Promo: Lisa FusonSpecial Thanks to the creator and founder of the podcast, Tom Sabella, along with Traci Snow for producing and hosting over 100 episodes of the original "Business Side of Music" podcast and trusting us to carry on their legacy.
The views, thoughts, and opinions expressed on this show provided by the guest(s), are those of the guest(s) own, and do not necessarily represent the views, thoughts, and opinions of the host or producers of this podcast. The material and information presented here is for general information purposes only. The Business Side of Musicâs name and all forms and abbreviations are the property of its owner (Lotta Dogs Productions LLC), and its use does not imply endorsement of or opposition to any specific organization, product, or service.
Copyright © 2024 Lotta Dogs Productions, LLC, All rights reserved.
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In this episode of The Business Side of Music Podcast, host Bob Bender sits down with Nick Allegro and the team from Mastering.com to explore the art and business of music production and mastering. From the intricacies of creating the perfect sound to learning mastering in today's music industry, they share valuable insights and practical advice for artists and producers. Tune in for an engaging discussion that bridges creativity and technology in the world of music.
Creator and Executive Producer Emeritus: Tom Sabella Showrunner and Host (the guy who has a face for podcasting): Bob Bender Management Representation: Chuck Thompson for Thompson Entertainment Group, LLC Co-Producer - Audio/Video Editor (the man behind the curtain): Mark Sabella Director of Video and Continuity (the brains of the entire operation): Deborah Halle Marketing and Social Media (all knowing): Sarah Fleshner for 362 Entertainment All Around Problem Solver (and Mental Health Therapist for us): Connie Ribas Recorded inside what could be an old beat up Airstream Trailer located somewhere on whatâs left of Music Row in Nashville TN (Man we sure do miss Nashville, and the Longhorn Steakhouse) Mixed and Mastered at Music Dog Studios in Nashville, TN Editing and Post at Midnight Express Studio located in Olian, NY Production Sound Design: Keith Stark Voice Over and Promo: Lisa FusonSpecial Thanks to the creator and founder of the podcast, Tom Sabella, along with Traci Snow for producing and hosting over 100 episodes of the original "Business Side of Music" podcast and trusting us to carry on their legacy.
The views, thoughts, and opinions expressed on this show provided by the guest(s), are those of the guest(s) own, and do not necessarily represent the views, thoughts, and opinions of the host or producers of this podcast. The material and information presented here is for general information purposes only. The Business Side of Musicâs name and all forms and abbreviations are the property of its owner (Lotta Dogs Productions LLC), and its use does not imply endorsement of or opposition to any specific organization, product, or service.
Copyright © 2024 Lotta Dogs Productions, LLC, All rights reserved.
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Nashville-based musician Nick Hickman epitomizes the dedication and artistry required to leave an indelible mark on country music. Originating from Harriman TN, Nick embarked on his journey to Nashville in 2016, driven by his passion for songwriting and performance. Since then, he has graced the stage alongside notable influences such as Blake Shelton, Lee Brice, Jason Aldean, and more, solidifying his reputation for electrifying performances and engaging with audiences. His talent has garnered praise from venue owners and talent bookers, who commend his stage presence and musical prowess.
Nick Hickman's energy and heartfelt songwriting have resonated with his audience, earning him recognition in esteemed competitions including Nash Next. He secured a Top 20 placement in a highly competitive field, a testament to his talent and hard work. Radio programmers have praised his work and compared his talent to established headliners. His debut single "Rain" from the 2016 EP Tailgate Dancefloor significantly impacted the Music Row Breakout chart, a notable achievement for a newcomer. His subsequent releases, including the EP âLet Em Speakâ and singles like "Tipsy" and "Live For Tonight (featuring singer Amber Hayes)," have further solidified his position in the industry, with âLive For Tonightâ earning placement on the Billboard indicator chartâa remarkable feat without major label support.
Refusing to settle for mediocrity, Nick invests considerable time honing his craft in the writing room, studio, and on stage. He remains true to himself, embracing authenticity and transparency in his artistryâa quality that resonates deeply with his growing fan base. His EP, Feels Like Home, is a testament to his unwavering dedication and creativity, showcasing his artistic evolution. In 2023 Nick released his first full-length album, Junior Year, which culminates Nick's musical evolution and personal growth, reflecting on his experiences and showcasing Nick's versatility as a songwriter and performer.
Despite the challenges posed by the COVID-19 pandemic, Nick seized the opportunity to establish his record label, Whiskey Neat Records, and construct a personal studio. With each release, Nick strives to elevate his music, delivering tracks ranging from introspective to upbeat, infused with his signature humor and charm. As he looks toward the future, Nick Hickman's trajectory promises even greater success, fueled by his relentless passion and commitment to his craft.
www.thenickhickman.com
Creator and Executive Producer Emeritus: Tom Sabella
Showrunner and Host (the guy who has a face for podcasting): Bob Bender
Management Representation: Chuck Thompson for Thompson Entertainment Group, LLC
Co-Producer - Audio/Video Editor (the man behind the curtain): Mark Sabella
Director of Video and Continuity (the brains of the entire operation): Deborah Halle
Marketing and Social Media (all knowing): Sarah Fleshner for 362 Entertainment
All Around Problem Solver (and Mental Health Therapist for us): Connie Ribas
Recorded inside what could be an old beat up Airstream Trailer located somewhere on whatâs left of Music Row in Nashville TN (Man we sure do miss Noshville, and the Longhorn Steakhouse)
Mixed and Mastered at Music Dog Studios in Nashville, TN
Editing and Post at Midnight Express Studio located in Olian, NY
Production Sound Design: Keith Stark
Voice Over and Promo: Lisa Fuson
Special Thanks to the creator and founder of the podcast, Tom Sabella, along with Traci Snow for producing and hosting over 100 episodes of the original "Business Side of Music" podcast and trusting us to carry on their legacy.
Website:
If you would like to be a guest on the show, please submit a request to:
If youâre interested in becoming a sponsor for the show, let us know and weâll send you a media / sponsorship kit to you. Contact us at [email protected]
The views, thoughts, and opinions expressed on this show provided by the guest(s), are those of the guest(s) own, and do not necessarily represent the views, thoughts, and opinions of the host or producers of this podcast. The material and information presented here is for general information purposes only. The Business Side of Musicâs name and all forms and abbreviations are the property of its owner (Lotta Dogs Productions LLC), and its use does not imply endorsement of or opposition to any specific organization, product, or service.
Copyright © 2024 Lotta Dogs Productions, LLC, All rights reserved.
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You see it all the time. Someone out on social media has hundreds of thousands, if not millions of followers on their Tik Tok, YouTube, Instagram, or Facebook accounts. But how do they get there, and how difficult can it be? Enter social media influencer Nicole de la Cruz.
Nicole de la Cruz is a Puerto Rican singer-songwriter, filmmaker, actress and TikTok Content Creator with over 460K Followers and 350 Million Views. Nicole spent her childhood in Southern Florida where she discovered her passion for music and the arts. In 2015, she moved to Los Angeles to further her artistic career. Her style of music is pop/rock similar to an early Kelly Clarkson. Nicole is best known for her TikTok account (@nicolemariedlc), in which she posts creative acting skits and her music. She is also known for her music video Moonstruck (2021), produced by Reign Productions in partnership with New Atlantis Media, which has garnered over half a million views to date on Youtube. Nicole is currently working on her debut music album and debut feature film. Her music can be found on Spotify, Apple Music, Youtube, and more.
www.nicoledelacruz.com
Creator and Executive Producer Emeritus: Tom Sabella
Showrunner and Host (the guy who has a face for podcasting): Bob Bender
Management Representation: Chuck Thompson for Thompson Entertainment Group, LLC
Co-Producer - Audio/Video Editor (the man behind the curtain): Mark Sabella
Director of Video and Continuity (the brains of the entire operation): Deborah Halle
Marketing and Social Media (all knowing): Sarah Fleshner for 362 Entertainment
All Around Problem Solver (and Mental Health Therapist for us): Connie Ribas
Recorded inside what could be an old beat up Airstream Trailer located somewhere on whatâs left of Music Row in Nashville TN (Man we sure do miss Noshville, and the Longhorn Steakhouse)
Mixed and Mastered at Music Dog Studios in Nashville, TN
Editing and Post at Midnight Express Studio located in Olian, NY
Production Sound Design: Keith Stark
Voice Over and Promo: Lisa Fuson
Special Thanks to the creator and founder of the podcast, Tom Sabella, along with Traci Snow for producing and hosting over 100 episodes of the original "Business Side of Music" podcast and trusting us to carry on their legacy.
Website:
If you would like to be a guest on the show, please submit a request to:
If youâre interested in becoming a sponsor for the show, let us know and weâll send you a media / sponsorship kit to you. Contact us at [email protected]
The views, thoughts, and opinions expressed on this show provided by the guest(s), are those of the guest(s) own, and do not necessarily represent the views, thoughts, and opinions of the host or producers of this podcast. The material and information presented here is for general information purposes only. The Business Side of Musicâs name and all forms and abbreviations are the property of its owner (Lotta Dogs Productions LLC), and its use does not imply endorsement of or opposition to any specific organization, product, or service.
Copyright © 2024 Lotta Dogs Productions, LLC, All rights reserved.
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Back in the 1940's, 50', and into the 1960's, the recording studio was rather a simple affair. Typically one or a few mics would be used to record an artist or a band, with all of the members in the studio at the same time. Then in the 1970's, the recording studio changed, and became a structured environment, where each member could be isolated, with a selection of microphones recorded onto multiple tracks.
Things have changed since then, and the viability of the recording studio, and its status has changed dramatically. On the show today is Steve Creech, who is an industry recognized mastering engineer and record producer. He shares his insight with records to the future of the studio, and the up and coming engineer. He shares with us his experience with the difference of perception versus perspective when it comes to the recording studio and its environment.
Creator and Executive Producer Emeritus: Tom Sabella
Showrunner and Host (the guy who has a face for podcasting): Bob Bender
Management Representation: Chuck Thompson for Thompson Entertainment Group, LLC
Co-Producer - Audio/Video Editor (the man behind the curtain): Mark Sabella
Director of Video and Continuity (the brains of the entire operation): Deborah Halle
Marketing and Social Media (all knowing): Sarah Fleshner for 362 Entertainment
All Around Problem Solver (and Mental Health Therapist for us): Connie Ribas
Recorded inside what could be an old beat up Airstream Trailer located somewhere on whatâs left of Music Row in Nashville TN (Man we sure do miss Noshville, and the Longhorn Steakhouse)
Mixed and Mastered at Music Dog Studios in Nashville, TN
Editing and Post at Midnight Express Studio located in Olian, NY
Production Sound Design: Keith Stark
Voice Over and Promo: Lisa Fuson
Special Thanks to the creator and founder of the podcast, Tom Sabella, along with Traci Snow for producing and hosting over 100 episodes of the original "Business Side of Music" podcast and trusting us to carry on their legacy.
Website:
If you would like to be a guest on the show, please submit a request to:
If youâre interested in becoming a sponsor for the show, let us know and weâll send you a media / sponsorship kit to you. Contact us at [email protected]
The views, thoughts, and opinions expressed on this show provided by the guest(s), are those of the guest(s) own, and do not necessarily represent the views, thoughts, and opinions of the host or producers of this podcast. The material and information presented here is for general information purposes only. The Business Side of Musicâs name and all forms and abbreviations are the property of its owner (Lotta Dogs Productions LLC), and its use does not imply endorsement of or opposition to any specific organization, product, or service.
Copyright © 2024 Lotta Dogs Productions, LLC, All rights reserved.
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The music business is probably more so like the Wild, Wild West these days, than it ever has been, even going back to the 1960âs. Joining us on the show today is the legendary music industry veteran Charlie Peacock, who is a multi Grammy winner, along with being a multiple genre Billboard chart topping music producer, composer, and recording artist. He has been named by Billboardâs encyclopedia of record producers, as one of the 500 most important music producers in popular music history. He has produced music for film, television, including âA Walk To Rememberâ, music for â12 Years A Slaveâ, along with music for the AMC drama Series âTurn - Washington Spiesâ. He has released more than 27 albums going back to 1982, and is releasing his new album âEvery Kind of Uh Ohâ. He also has a memoir coming out in 2025 titled âRoots & Rhythm - A Life In Musicâ.
Also joining Charlie in the studio is his son Sam Ashworth, who in his own right is a notable producer, singer, songwriter, and composer.
If anyone understands the wild, wild west in the music business, it's definitely Charlie and Sam.
Creator and Executive Producer Emeritus: Tom Sabella
Showrunner and Host (the guy who has a face for podcasting): Bob Bender
Management Representation: Chuck Thompson for Thompson Entertainment Group, LLC
Co-Producer - Audio/Video Editor (the man behind the curtain): Mark Sabella
Director of Video and Continuity (the brains of the entire operation): Deborah Halle
Marketing and Social Media (all knowing): Sarah Fleshner for 362 Entertainment
All Around Problem Solver (and Mental Health Therapist for us): Connie Ribas
Recorded inside what could be an old beat up Airstream Trailer located somewhere on whatâs left of Music Row in Nashville TN (Man we sure do miss Noshville, and the Longhorn Steakhouse)
Mixed and Mastered at Music Dog Studios in Nashville, TN
Editing and Post at Midnight Express Studio located in Olian, NY
Production Sound Design: Keith Stark
Voice Over and Promo: Lisa Fuson
Special Thanks to the creator and founder of the podcast, Tom Sabella, along with Traci Snow for producing and hosting over 100 episodes of the original "Business Side of Music" podcast and trusting us to carry on their legacy.
Website:
If you would like to be a guest on the show, please submit a request to:
If youâre interested in becoming a sponsor for the show, let us know and weâll send you a media / sponsorship kit to you. Contact us at [email protected]
The views, thoughts, and opinions expressed on this show provided by the guest(s), are those of the guest(s) own, and do not necessarily represent the views, thoughts, and opinions of the host or producers of this podcast. The material and information presented here is for general information purposes only. The Business Side of Musicâs name and all forms and abbreviations are the property of its owner (Lotta Dogs Productions LLC), and its use does not imply endorsement of or opposition to any specific organization, product, or service.
Copyright © 2024 Lotta Dogs Productions, LLC, All rights reserved.
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When it comes to such simple things as communication, networking, and even relationships, there are three basic skills you need to remember. You need to build upon the relationship. You also need to maintain them, and work towards them growing. Joining us in the studio is music industry veteran Lyn Stevens who is an award winning photographer, who combines her love of photography with her passion for music. From that, she has learned the ability to network among industry peers, and shares her insight with our listeners. While on the subject, we also discuss documenting your career with photography, and how important it is in the bigger picture.
Since her days as a producer at WIBA-FM and Morning DJ & Country Music Director WDUX in Wisconsin, Lyn has always had the bug to work in the music industry. Working in radio provided Lyn the opportunity to meet and interview legendary performers such as Merle Haggard, Ray Price, Charlie Daniels, Loretta Lynn, and The Kentucky Headhunters among many others.
After moving to Nashville in 2009, her photography "hobby" started catching the eye of local performers. In 2012, the door was opened as Lyn was honored to have 3 of her photos on display as part of the Cameras and Community in Action Project at The Frist Center for The Visual Arts. Her work went on to be featured in Country Weekly, Billboard Magazine and the Nashville Music Guide.
In late 2014, she was asked by country legends, Little Texas, to shoot the photos for their album, "Young for A Long Time," which garnered her the award for "Best Visual Art" at the 2015 Nashville Independent Music Awards.
She added the title, âInternational Photographerâ to her resume, after documenting a Blues/Rock tour to Australia in 2016 and another tour to Iceland in 2018. Her work has since been seen on television in Australia and in newspapers and magazines throughout Europe.
She approaches photography as a documentarian, based off the strong belief that she is documenting future history, in the present-day moment.
Creator and Executive Producer Emeritus: Tom Sabella
Showrunner and Host (the guy who has a face for podcasting): Bob Bender
Management Representation: Chuck Thompson for Thompson Entertainment Group, LLC
Co-Producer - Audio/Video Editor (the man behind the curtain): Mark Sabella
Director of Video and Continuity (the brains of the entire operation): Deborah Halle
Marketing and Social Media (all knowing): Sarah Fleshner for 362 Entertainment
All Around Problem Solver (and Mental Health Therapist for us): Connie Ribas
Recorded inside what could be an old beat up Airstream Trailer located somewhere on whatâs left of Music Row in Nashville TN (Man we sure do miss Noshville, and the Longhorn Steakhouse)
Mixed and Mastered at Music Dog Studios in Nashville, TN
Editing and Post at Midnight Express Studio located in Olian, NY
Production Sound Design: Keith Stark
Voice Over and Promo: Lisa Fuson
Special Thanks to the creator and founder of the podcast, Tom Sabella, along with Traci Snow for producing and hosting over 100 episodes of the original "Business Side of Music" podcast and trusting us to carry on their legacy.
Website:
If you would like to be a guest on the show, please submit a request to:
If youâre interested in becoming a sponsor for the show, let us know and weâll send you a media / sponsorship kit to you. Contact us at [email protected]
The views, thoughts, and opinions expressed on this show provided by the guest(s), are those of the guest(s) own, and do not necessarily represent the views, thoughts, and opinions of the host or producers of this podcast. The material and information presented here is for general information purposes only. The Business Side of Musicâs name and all forms and abbreviations are the property of its owner (Lotta Dogs Productions LLC), and its use does not imply endorsement of or opposition to any specific organization, product, or service.
Copyright © 2024 Lotta Dogs Productions, LLC, All rights reserved.
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Joining us on today's episode is noted author Steve Rosen, who shares his story of his time spent with guitar legend Eddie Van Halen. This strikingly personal account of Rosen's twenty six-plus year odyssey with Eddie, one of the greatest and most enigmatic musicians of the 20th Century. What was it like to call Ed a friend? Rosen shares with our listeners how he came about writing his book "Tonechaser - Understanding Edward: My 26 Year Journey with Edward Van Halen".
Steve, is a professional music journalist with a career spanning 50 years. During this period, he has published well over 1,000 articles in major periodicals originating from around the Globe. Rosen was the West Coast correspondent for Guitar World Magazine for four years during the seminal mid-80's when he wrote eight cover stories - including three lead features on Eddie Van Halen, recognized as pivotal pieces on the legendary guitarist. Rosen has also written books on several high-profile musicians, including Jeff Beck, Prince, Black Sabbath, Free / Bad Company, and Randy Rhoads.
www.tonechaserbook.com
Creator and Executive Producer Emeritus: Tom Sabella Showrunner and Host (the guy who has a face for podcasting): Bob Bender Management Representation: Chuck Thompson for Thompson Entertainment Group, LLC Co-Producer - Audio/Video Editor (the man behind the curtain): Mark Sabella Director of Video and Continuity (the brains of the entire operation): Deborah Halle Marketing and Social Media (all knowing): Sarah Fleshner for 362 Entertainment All Around Problem Solver (and Mental Health Therapist for us): Connie Ribas Recorded inside what could be an old beat up Airstream Trailer located somewhere on whatâs left of Music Row in Nashville TN (Man we sure do miss Noshville, and the Longhorn Steakhouse) Mixed and Mastered at Music Dog Studios in Nashville, TN Editing and Post at Midnight Express Studio located in Olian, NY Production Sound Design: Keith Stark Voice Over and Promo: Lisa FusonSpecial Thanks to the creator and founder of the podcast, Tom Sabella, along with Traci Snow for producing and hosting over 100 episodes of the original "Business Side of Music" podcast and trusting us to carry on their legacy.
If you would like to be a guest on the show, please submit a request to: [email protected]
If youâre interested in becoming a sponsor for the show, let us know and weâll send you a media / sponsorship kit to you. Contact us at [email protected]
The views, thoughts, and opinions expressed on this show provided by the guest(s), are those of the guest(s) own, and do not necessarily represent the views, thoughts, and opinions of the host or producers of this podcast. The material and information presented here is for general information purposes only. The Business Side of Musicâs name and all forms and abbreviations are the property of its owner (Lotta Dogs Productions LLC), and its use does not imply endorsement of or opposition to any specific organization, product, or service.
Copyright © 2024 Lotta Dogs Productions, LLC, All rights reserved.
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It is a significant milestone for the Charlie Daniels Patriot Awards Dinner, which will be held on September 11, 2024, at City Winery Nashville. The awards dinner is a program of The Charlie Daniels Journey Home Project, a 501c3 that supports military veterans, first responders and their families. This year marks the 10th anniversary of the program, co-founded by Country Music legend, Charlie Daniels with his longtime manager, David Corlew. Although Daniels passed in 2020, his musical legacy lives on, and his devotion to veterans causes continues through the dedication of Corlew. Through fundraising events, the organization supports the efforts of other not-for-profit organizations providing services to U.S. veterans and first responders; selected for providing the most meaningful work with the lowest overhead. TCHJHP has raised more than $4 million for these organizations.
Corlew shares his story of how he got into the business, first working at a record store, then becoming a roadie for Charlie Daniels, before becoming his manager for the next 30+ years of Charlieâs career.
www.thecharliedanielsjourneyhomeproject.org
Creator and Executive Producer Emeritus: Tom Sabella
Showrunner and Host (the guy who has a face for podcasting): Bob Bender
Management Representation: Chuck Thompson for Thompson Entertainment Group, LLC
Co-Producer - Audio/Video Editor (the man behind the curtain): Mark Sabella
Director of Video and Continuity (the brains of the entire operation): Deborah Halle
Marketing and Social Media (all knowing): Sarah Fleshner for 362 Entertainment
All Around Problem Solver (and Mental Health Therapist for us): Connie Ribas
Recorded inside what could be an old beat up Airstream Trailer located somewhere on whatâs left of Music Row in Nashville TN (Man we sure do miss Noshville, and the Longhorn Steakhouse)
Mixed and Mastered at Music Dog Studios in Nashville, TN
Editing and Post at Midnight Express Studio located in Olian, NY
Production Sound Design: Keith Stark
Voice Over and Promo: Lisa Fuson
Special Thanks to the creator and founder of the podcast, Tom Sabella, along with Traci Snow for producing and hosting over 100 episodes of the original "Business Side of Music" podcast and trusting us to carry on their legacy.
Website:
If you would like to be a guest on the show, please submit a request to:
If youâre interested in becoming a sponsor for the show, let us know and weâll send you a media / sponsorship kit to you. Contact us at [email protected]
The views, thoughts, and opinions expressed on this show provided by the guest(s), are those of the guest(s) own, and do not necessarily represent the views, thoughts, and opinions of the host or producers of this podcast. The material and information presented here is for general information purposes only. The Business Side of Musicâs name and all forms and abbreviations are the property of its owner (Lotta Dogs Productions LLC), and its use does not imply endorsement of or opposition to any specific organization, product, or service.
Copyright © 2024 Lotta Dogs Productions, LLC, All rights reserved.
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On this special episode of "Between The Notes" edition here on The Business Side of Music, show contributor Jack Sharkey and host Bob Bender go on a rant, discussing the value of the larger venue concert, and why some acts are having a difficult time selling out these days. Are they (the artist) still viable? Is the cost (and the unpredictable weather when its outdoors) worth going to stand around with hopefully thousands of your closest friends in a partially filled event? Jack and Bob delve into why some acts should no longer find themselves anticipating performing at large venues, when its difficult to put butts in the seats, and the scaling back to smaller venues such as auditoriums or theaters (or clubs) might make more financial sense.... in spite of their egos.
Creator and Executive Producer Emeritus: Tom Sabella
Showrunner and Host (the guy who has a face for podcasting): Bob Bender
Management Representation: Chuck Thompson for Thompson Entertainment Group, LLC
Co-Producer - Audio/Video Editor (the man behind the curtain): Mark Sabella
Director of Video and Continuity (the brains of the entire operation): Deborah Halle
Marketing and Social Media (all knowing): Sarah Fleshner for 362 Entertainment
All Around Problem Solver (and Mental Health Therapist for us): Connie Ribas
Recorded inside what could be an old beat up Airstream Trailer located somewhere on whatâs left of Music Row in Nashville TN (Man we sure do miss Noshville, and the Longhorn Steakhouse)
Mixed and Mastered at Music Dog Studios in Nashville, TN
Editing and Post at Midnight Express Studio located in Olian, NY
Production Sound Design: Keith Stark
Voice Over and Promo: Lisa Fuson
Special Thanks to the creator and founder of the podcast, Tom Sabella, along with Traci Snow for producing and hosting over 100 episodes of the original "Business Side of Music" podcast and trusting us to carry on their legacy.
Website:
If you would like to be a guest on the show, please submit a request to:
If youâre interested in becoming a sponsor for the show, let us know and weâll send you a media / sponsorship kit to you. Contact us at [email protected]
The views, thoughts, and opinions expressed on this show provided by the guest(s), are those of the guest(s) own, and do not necessarily represent the views, thoughts, and opinions of the host or producers of this podcast. The material and information presented here is for general information purposes only. The Business Side of Musicâs name and all forms and abbreviations are the property of its owner (Lotta Dogs Productions LLC), and its use does not imply endorsement of or opposition to any specific organization, product, or service.
Copyright © 2024 Lotta Dogs Productions, LLC, All rights reserved.
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Artificial Intelligence. Itâs in all the latest hot button topic conversations when it comes to the entertainment industry, especially the music business. How is AI going to affect the future of what we do for a living? Will AI replace the live performance? The artist whoâs seeking a record deal? Is this the beginning of the end as we know it, or is it the end of the beginning? Legendary record producer Joe Hand is a guest on this episode, where we take a deep dive into artificial intelligence, and go down various rabbit holes, seeking answers, and coming up with more questions in the process.
Creator and Executive Producer Emeritus: Tom Sabella
Showrunner and Host (the guy who has a face for podcasting): Bob Bender
Management Representation: Chuck Thompson for Thompson Entertainment Group, LLC
Co-Producer - Audio/Video Editor (the man behind the curtain): Mark Sabella
Director of Video and Continuity (the brains of the entire operation): Deborah Halle
Marketing and Social Media (all knowing): Sarah Fleshner for 362 Entertainment
All Around Problem Solver (and Mental Health Therapist for us): Connie Ribas
Recorded inside what could be an old beat up Airstream Trailer located somewhere on whatâs left of Music Row in Nashville TN (Man we sure do miss Noshville, and the Longhorn Steakhouse)
Mixed and Mastered at Music Dog Studios in Nashville, TN
Editing and Post at Midnight Express Studio located in Olian, NY
Production Sound Design: Keith Stark
Voice Over and Promo: Lisa Fuson
Special Thanks to the creator and founder of the podcast, Tom Sabella, along with Traci Snow for producing and hosting over 100 episodes of the original "Business Side of Music" podcast and trusting us to carry on their legacy.
Website:
If you would like to be a guest on the show, please submit a request to:
If youâre interested in becoming a sponsor for the show, let us know and weâll send you a media / sponsorship kit to you. Contact us at [email protected]
The views, thoughts, and opinions expressed on this show provided by the guest(s), are those of the guest(s) own, and do not necessarily represent the views, thoughts, and opinions of the host or producers of this podcast. The material and information presented here is for general information purposes only. The Business Side of Musicâs name and all forms and abbreviations are the property of its owner (Lotta Dogs Productions LLC), and its use does not imply endorsement of or opposition to any specific organization, product, or service.
Copyright © 2024 Lotta Dogs Productions, LLC, All rights reserved.
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Are you looking for ways to engage your digital audience? Are you seeking out ways to know your fan base better? What about finding ways to market to those fans (and turning them into consumers)? Sometimes, it just feels overwhelming, as though you're trying to boil water in the entire ocean.
Joining us in the studio today is Darshan Kaler, who is the founder and CEO of fan engagement for the technology company Tradable Bits, based in Vancouver, Canada. Also joining Darshan is Shaun Verreault, who heads up Tradable Bitsâ business development (and is lead vocalist and guitarist for the blues-based rock band âWide Mouth Masonâ). Darshan and Shaun discuss such topics as the new data revolution in live music, whoâs using data tech and how, and where the growth opportunities are in this ever evolving music business.
www.tradablebits.com
Creator and Executive Producer Emeritus: Tom Sabella
Showrunner and Host (the guy who has a face for podcasting): Bob Bender
Management Representation: Chuck Thompson for Thompson Entertainment Group, LLC
Co-Producer - Audio/Video Editor (the man behind the curtain): Mark Sabella
Director of Video and Continuity (the brains of the entire operation): Deborah Halle
Marketing and Social Media (all knowing): Sarah Fleshner for 362 Entertainment
All Around Problem Solver (and Mental Health Therapist for us): Connie Ribas
Recorded inside what could be an old beat up Airstream Trailer located somewhere on whatâs left of Music Row in Nashville TN (Man we sure do miss Noshville, and the Longhorn Steakhouse)
Mixed and Mastered at Music Dog Studios in Nashville, TN
Editing and Post at Midnight Express Studio located in Olian, NY
Production Sound Design: Keith Stark
Voice Over and Promo: Lisa Fuson
Special Thanks to the creator and founder of the podcast, Tom Sabella, along with Traci Snow for producing and hosting over 100 episodes of the original "Business Side of Music" podcast and trusting us to carry on their legacy.
Website:
If you would like to be a guest on the show, please submit a request to:
If youâre interested in becoming a sponsor for the show, let us know and weâll send you a media / sponsorship kit to you. Contact us at [email protected]
The views, thoughts, and opinions expressed on this show provided by the guest(s), are those of the guest(s) own, and do not necessarily represent the views, thoughts, and opinions of the host or producers of this podcast. The material and information presented here is for general information purposes only. The Business Side of Musicâs name and all forms and abbreviations are the property of its owner (Lotta Dogs Productions LLC), and its use does not imply endorsement of or opposition to any specific organization, product, or service.
Copyright © 2024 Lotta Dogs Productions, LLC, All rights reserved.
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In an ever evolving world in the music industry, how does an artist go about protecting themselves and their artistry? Especially in a new age of technology, music delivery platforms, and artificial intelligence? This is where legal counsel can help save the day⊠and possibly your career from the perils and pitfalls.
In the studio today are Brianna Schwartz and Alexis Schreiber, who are attorneys with the law firm Schwartz and Schreiber, based out of Miami Florida. We discuss different legal aspects of the music business, what an artist needs to be aware of, and when is a good time to hire legal representation.
www.schwartzschreiber.com
Creator and Executive Producer Emeritus: Tom Sabella
Showrunner and Host (the guy who has a face for podcasting): Bob Bender
Management Representation: Chuck Thompson for Thompson Entertainment Group, LLC
Co-Producer - Audio/Video Editor (the man behind the curtain): Mark Sabella
Director of Video and Continuity (the brains of the entire operation): Deborah Halle
Marketing and Social Media (all knowing): Sarah Fleshner for 362 Entertainment
All Around Problem Solver (and Mental Health Therapist for us): Connie Ribas
Recorded inside what could be an old beat up Airstream Trailer located somewhere on whatâs left of Music Row in Nashville TN (Man we sure do miss Noshville, and the Longhorn Steakhouse)
Mixed and Mastered at Music Dog Studios in Nashville, TN
Editing and Post at Midnight Express Studio located in Olian, NY
Production Sound Design: Keith Stark
Voice Over and Promo: Lisa Fuson
Special Thanks to the creator and founder of the podcast, Tom Sabella, along with Traci Snow for producing and hosting over 100 episodes of the original "Business Side of Music" podcast and trusting us to carry on their legacy.
Website:
If you would like to be a guest on the show, please submit a request to:
If youâre interested in becoming a sponsor for the show, let us know and weâll send you a media / sponsorship kit to you. Contact us at [email protected]
The views, thoughts, and opinions expressed on this show provided by the guest(s), are those of the guest(s) own, and do not necessarily represent the views, thoughts, and opinions of the host or producers of this podcast. The material and information presented here is for general information purposes only. The Business Side of Musicâs name and all forms and abbreviations are the property of its owner (Lotta Dogs Productions LLC), and its use does not imply endorsement of or opposition to any specific organization, product, or service.
Copyright © 2024 Lotta Dogs Productions, LLC, All rights reserved.
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The audience is in their seats. The lights dim, and the artist takes the stage. For the next 90 minutes or more, the show goes on without a hitch. But in order to get there, production for the show began to take shape, weeks, if not months earlier. But how does this happen, and whoâs in charge? Enter the Production Manager. This individual is in charge of everything from ensuring that the stage, sound, and lights are set up properly for the concert, to the numerous emails and phone calls to guarantee that there are no problems (or mistakes). In many ways, managing a tour is similar to running a business. There are employees and budgets to look after. The workload and responsibilities are extraordinary. And the demands can be overwhelming. Without efficient work practices in place, the stress and lack of sleep make it impossible to thrive in the world of tour and production management.
Production Manager and author of the book âThe Efficient Hustleâ, Lucas Meek shares stories from the road, explaining the inner workings of the touring business, what it takes to be a successful Production or Tour Manager, and everything needed to ensure that the show goes on without a hitch.
www.theefficienthustle.com
Creator and Executive Producer Emeritus: Tom Sabella
Showrunner and Host (the guy who has a face for podcasting): Bob Bender
Management Representation: Chuck Thompson for Thompson Entertainment Group, LLC
Co-Producer - Audio/Video Editor (the man behind the curtain): Mark Sabella
Director of Video and Continuity (the brains of the entire operation): Deborah Halle
Marketing and Social Media (all knowing): Sarah Fleshner for 362 Entertainment
All Around Problem Solver (and Mental Health Therapist for us): Connie Ribas
Recorded inside what could be an old beat up Airstream Trailer located somewhere on whatâs left of Music Row in Nashville TN (Man we sure do miss Noshville, and the Longhorn Steakhouse)
Mixed and Mastered at Music Dog Studios in Nashville, TN
Editing and Post at Midnight Express Studio located in Olian, NY
Production Sound Design: Keith Stark
Voice Over and Promo: Lisa Fuson
Special Thanks to the creator and founder of the podcast, Tom Sabella, along with Traci Snow for producing and hosting over 100 episodes of the original "Business Side of Music" podcast and trusting us to carry on their legacy.
Website:
If you would like to be a guest on the show, please submit a request to:
If youâre interested in becoming a sponsor for the show, let us know and weâll send you a media / sponsorship kit to you. Contact us at [email protected]
The views, thoughts, and opinions expressed on this show provided by the guest(s), are those of the guest(s) own, and do not necessarily represent the views, thoughts, and opinions of the host or producers of this podcast. The material and information presented here is for general information purposes only. The Business Side of Musicâs name and all forms and abbreviations are the property of its owner (Lotta Dogs Productions LLC), and its use does not imply endorsement of or opposition to any specific organization, product, or service.
Copyright © 2024 Lotta Dogs Productions, LLC, All rights reserved.
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Upwards of 200,000 songs or more are uploaded daily to many digital providing streaming services. It becomes a crowded field rather quickly, and in many instances, your music can get lost in all of what is often called âwhite noiseâ. As streaming catalogs continue to grow in size and depth of music, DSPâs (digital service providers) are beginning to remove music that has had zero impact on listeners. In another words, they want music that will resonate with their audience.
As we continue our annual âMusic Biz 2024â Conference Series, in the studio with us today is Gitte Bendzulla, who is the C.O.O. of the music platform, Deezer. Deezer is a French founded, French headquartered digital streaming service providing music for the European, African, and South American markets. France (especially Paris) is considered the entrance to the European music market, and Deezer is at the head of the streaming services providing an opening for new music for the rest of Europe, and beyond.
Creator and Executive Producer Emeritus: Tom Sabella
Showrunner and Host (the guy who has a face for podcasting): Bob Bender
Management Representation: Chuck Thompson for Thompson Entertainment Group, LLC
Co-Producer - Audio/Video Editor (the man behind the curtain): Mark Sabella
Director of Video and Continuity (the brains of the entire operation): Deborah Halle
Marketing and Social Media (all knowing): Sarah Fleshner for 362 Entertainment
All Around Problem Solver (and Mental Health Therapist for us): Connie Ribas
Recorded inside what could be an old beat up Airstream Trailer located somewhere on whatâs left of Music Row in Nashville TN (Man we sure do miss Noshville, and the Longhorn Steakhouse)
Mixed and Mastered at Music Dog Studios in Nashville, TN
Editing and Post at Midnight Express Studio located in Olian, NY
Production Sound Design: Keith Stark
Voice Over and Promo: Lisa Fuson
Special Thanks to the creator and founder of the podcast, Tom Sabella, along with Traci Snow for producing and hosting over 100 episodes of the original "Business Side of Music" podcast and trusting us to carry on their legacy.
Website:
If you would like to be a guest on the show, please submit a request to:
If youâre interested in becoming a sponsor for the show, let us know and weâll send you a media / sponsorship kit to you. Contact us at [email protected]
The views, thoughts, and opinions expressed on this show provided by the guest(s), are those of the guest(s) own, and do not necessarily represent the views, thoughts, and opinions of the host or producers of this podcast. The material and information presented here is for general information purposes only. The Business Side of Musicâs name and all forms and abbreviations are the property of its owner (Lotta Dogs Productions LLC), and its use does not imply endorsement of or opposition to any specific organization, product, or service.
Copyright © 2024 Lotta Dogs Productions, LLC, All rights reserved.
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With so many artists selling off their catalogs these days, is there even room for the independent artist that may have a substantial collection of songs to be a part of this new trend? Is that catalog worth money? How does one go about finding out what its "retail" value might be? Lior Tibon, who is the co-founder and CEO of Duetti, dropped into the studio during the MusicBiz 2024 Conference to share what its all about, how it can make sense for the "Indie" artist, and what the potential outcome might be.
www.duetti.co
Creator and Executive Producer Emeritus: Tom Sabella
Showrunner and Host (the guy who has a face for podcasting): Bob Bender
Management Representation: Chuck Thompson for Thompson Entertainment Group, LLC
Co-Producer - Audio/Video Editor (the man behind the curtain): Mark Sabella
Director of Video and Continuity (the brains of the entire operation): Deborah Halle
Marketing and Social Media (all knowing): Sarah Fleshner for 362 Entertainment
All Around Problem Solver (and Mental Health Therapist for us): Connie Ribas
Recorded inside what could be an old beat up Airstream Trailer located somewhere on whatâs left of Music Row in Nashville TN (Man we sure do miss Noshville, and the Longhorn Steakhouse)
Mixed and Mastered at Music Dog Studios in Nashville, TN
Editing and Post at Midnight Express Studio located in Olian, NY
Production Sound Design: Keith Stark
Voice Over and Promo: Lisa Fuson
Special Thanks to the creator and founder of the podcast, Tom Sabella, along with Traci Snow for producing and hosting over 100 episodes of the original "Business Side of Music" podcast and trusting us to carry on their legacy.
Website:
If you would like to be a guest on the show, please submit a request to:
If youâre interested in becoming a sponsor for the show, let us know and weâll send you a media / sponsorship kit to you. Contact us at [email protected]
The views, thoughts, and opinions expressed on this show provided by the guest(s), are those of the guest(s) own, and do not necessarily represent the views, thoughts, and opinions of the host or producers of this podcast. The material and information presented here is for general information purposes only. The Business Side of Musicâs name and all forms and abbreviations are the property of its owner (Lotta Dogs Productions LLC), and its use does not imply endorsement of or opposition to any specific organization, product, or service.
Copyright © 2024 Lotta Dogs Productions, LLC, All rights reserved.
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As a songwriter, it's never been more important to track your songs, and receive payment for your efforts, as it is now. But where do you start, and where do you go to find where the royalty payments may be waiting for you? It's not always up to the PROâs (Performing Rights Organizations) to find your money and hand it out to you. In simple terms, you need to be paid for what you create. It can be challenging, and require some hard work, but it is worth it if you know how to navigate the various outlets that are available.
There are at least 13 royalty payment portals that many songwriters donât know about. Such entities as âThe Music License Collectiveâ are out there, but if you as the creator of the song donât know about them, and have the ability to access them, youâre missing out on collecting your money. Nancy Deckant, who is the founder and CEO of Discover Sooner, along with being the co-author of the book âThe Songwriters Guideâ shares some insight and direction on where you can go to ensure youâre getting all the money you earned⊠and deserve.
www.nashvillecool.com
www.musicreports.com
www.themlc.com
www.musicreports.com
www.discoversooner.com
Creator and Executive Producer Emeritus: Tom Sabella
Showrunner and Host (the guy who has a face for podcasting): Bob Bender
Management Representation: Chuck Thompson for Thompson Entertainment Group, LLC
Co-Producer - Audio/Video Editor (the man behind the curtain): Mark Sabella
Director of Video and Continuity (the brains of the entire operation): Deborah Halle
Marketing and Social Media (all knowing): Sarah Fleshner for 362 Entertainment
All Around Problem Solver (and Mental Health Therapist for us): Connie Ribas
Recorded inside what could be an old beat up Airstream Trailer located somewhere on whatâs left of Music Row in Nashville TN (Man we sure do miss Noshville, and the Longhorn Steakhouse)
Mixed and Mastered at Music Dog Studios in Nashville, TN
Editing and Post at Midnight Express Studio located in Olian, NY
Production Sound Design: Keith Stark
Voice Over and Promo: Lisa Fuson
Special Thanks to the creator and founder of the podcast, Tom Sabella, along with Traci Snow for producing and hosting over 100 episodes of the original "Business Side of Music" podcast and trusting us to carry on their legacy.
Website:
If you would like to be a guest on the show, please submit a request to:
If youâre interested in becoming a sponsor for the show, let us know and weâll send you a media / sponsorship kit to you. Contact us at [email protected]
The views, thoughts, and opinions expressed on this show provided by the guest(s), are those of the guest(s) own, and do not necessarily represent the views, thoughts, and opinions of the host or producers of this podcast. The material and information presented here is for general information purposes only. The Business Side of Musicâs name and all forms and abbreviations are the property of its owner (Lotta Dogs Productions LLC), and its use does not imply endorsement of or opposition to any specific organization, product, or service.
Copyright © 2024 Lotta Dogs Productions, LLC, All rights reserved.
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