Episodes
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Nick Hand is the commercially savvy CFO and senior finance consultant at Trinity P3. He brings a rigorous financial perspective to the marketing landscape, advising both marketers and agencies on how to move beyond traditional cost-recovery models toward more sustainable, value-based relationships.
They explore the fundamental shift from cost-based to value-based remuneration systems, a transition accelerated by the rise of generative AI. The conversation delves into the "crisis of the hourly rate," the hidden financial risks of in-housing, and the necessity of differentiating between low-value commoditized tasks and high-value strategic work. They also examine how marketers can align their activities with business outcomes to transition from a "spending" mindset to an "investment" portfolio approach that satisfies C-suite scrutiny.
For a sector where marketing is often the second-largest line item on a P&L, trailing only behind payroll, understanding how to articulate and measure commercial impact is critical. As AI decouples production time from output value, making the traditional "head-hour" model a race to the bottom, this is an essential conversation to eavesdrop on for anyone looking to future-proof their agency fee structures and marketing investments.
Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/managing-marketing/id1018735190
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For more episodes of TrinityP3’s Managing Marketing podcast, visit https://www.trinityp3.com/managing-marketing-podcasts/
Recorded live on Zoom H4n and edited, mixed and managed by JML Audio with thanks to Jared Lattouf.
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Nick Jackson is the CEO and co-founder of Artist Partners, and collaborates with Andrew Mote, the Principal and Founder of Mote Advisors on analysing and advising superannuation funds on meeting their fiduciary responsibilities when it comes to their marketing investment.
The explore the complexities of marketing within the Australian superannuation industry, focusing on regulatory scrutiny, measurement challenges, and strategic insights for marketers aiming to demonstrate member benefits and business outcomes.
For a sector that manages more than $4.13 trillion in funds, making it one of the world's largest pension systems, and spending $482 million a year on marketing and sponsorship, this is an essential conversation to eavesdrop on.
Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/managing-marketing/id1018735190
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For more episodes of TrinityP3’s Managing Marketing podcast, visit https://www.trinityp3.com/managing-marketing-podcasts/
Recorded on RiversideFM and edited, mixed and managed by JML Audio with thanks to Jared Lattouf.
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The Starcom Australia leadership team, CEO Matt Houltham, Chief Operating Officer, Louise Romeo, and Chief Client & Growth Officer Scott McCaffrey explore the evolving definition of a media agency partnership as AI continues to reshape the industry.
As the marketing landscape faces "twin evil forces" of increasing uncertainty and growing complexity, the conversation dives into how agencies must move beyond simple efficiency to drive true business effectiveness.
And they address the future of partnership, highlighting why being a proactive partner means knowing a client’s business inside out to solve complex commercial challenges rather than just selling media solutions.
Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/managing-marketing/id1018735190
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Listen on Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/show/managing-marketing
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For more episodes of TrinityP3’s Managing Marketing podcast, visit https://www.trinityp3.com/managing-marketing-podcasts/
Recorded live on Zoom H4n and edited, mixed and managed by JML Audio with thanks to Jared Lattouf.
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Jarrod Allen, Associate Director, Strategic Media Solutions at .monks discusses the transformative impact of AI on marketing, particularly focusing on the shift from traditional SEO to generative engine optimization (GEO).
He explores how AI is changing consumer behavior, the importance of understanding audience language, and the challenges marketers face in measuring success in this new landscape.
The conversation also touches on the future of agentic commerce and the need for authenticity in AI-driven marketing strategies. This is a rapidly evolving field and this conversation represents and important touchpoint in the evolution in search for brand and marketing.
Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/managing-marketing/id1018735190
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For more episodes of TrinityP3’s Managing Marketing podcast, visit https://www.trinityp3.com/managing-marketing-podcasts/
Recorded on RiversideFM and edited, mixed and managed by JML Audio with thanks to Jared Lattouf.
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Joel Kleber, CMO of Jim's Group, admits that he’s not a classically trained marketer. And thankfully is glad that he’s not. Otherwise he may never have achieved the commercial heights that he has if he was bogged down by process, frameworks and risk-averse thinking.
Joel shares how he helped spearhead the explosive growth of Jim’s Group with their digital presence and franchise recruitment strategy. Which now achieves over a $1b annual turnover from over 5,700 franchisees across more than 50 divisions in Australia, NZ, Canada, and the UK.
From AI tools, failing, and harnessing real authenticity, to letting go and trusting the network to inspire people, Joel shares Jim’s Group’s unique recipe for success.
Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/managing-marketing/id1018735190
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For more episodes of TrinityP3’s Managing Marketing podcast, visit https://www.trinityp3.com/managing-marketing-podcasts/
Recorded on RiversideFM and edited, mixed and managed by JML Audio with thanks to Jared Lattouf.
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Amanda Connors, a seasoned marketer with a diverse career spanning retail, banking, and wellness. Amanda discusses the challenges and transformations in marketing, the importance of resilience, and the strategies she has employed to build successful brands.
From her early days at Myer to her impactful role at Priceline and beyond, Amanda shares insights on customer obsession, community building, and the evolution of marketing in a rapidly changing landscape.
Amanda has not just embraced the challenges of these categories, businesses and marketing, she appears to relish them. From retail, to banking, to wellness and beauty, she has not just survived, she continues to thrive.
Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/managing-marketing/id1018735190
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For more episodes of TrinityP3’s Managing Marketing podcast, visit https://www.trinityp3.com/managing-marketing-podcasts/
Recorded on RiversideFM and edited, mixed and managed by JML Audio with thanks to Jared Lattouf.
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Ellie Angell goes undercover to delve into the complexities of the agency pitching process. She discusses the challenges faced by agencies, including emotional tolls, the role of procurement, and the importance of clear communication and feedback.
The TrinityP3 State of the Pitch report has shone a light into the pitching process as it is practiced and revealed what many feel, but few could articulate. That is the problem with pitching is it is not broken as some maintain, but it is suffering often from poor management and even worse behaviour, particularly by a few procurement professionals and marketers.
But just how bad is this behaviour? Surely some of the reports of poor time management down to outright rudeness is a huge exaggeration. Ellie went behind the scenes to a few agencies who were in the pitch process to see first-hand and report back.
What she shares highlights the need for a behavioral reset in how agencies and marketers interact during pitches, emphasizing the necessity for a fair and reasonable process that respects the efforts of all parties involved.
Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/managing-marketing/id1018735190
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For more episodes of TrinityP3’s Managing Marketing podcast, visit https://www.trinityp3.com/managing-marketing-podcasts/
Recorded on RiversideFM and edited, mixed and managed by JML Audio with thanks to Jared Lattouf.
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John Elbing, the author of 'Story Building: Your Brand from Their Standpoint”, explores the critical differences between storytelling and story building, emphasizing the importance of understanding the consumer's perspective.
John shares insights on how effective storytelling can create emotional connections, enhance brand recognition, and drive consumer engagement. The conversation also delves into the complexities of B2B marketing, the founder advantage in storytelling, and the need for consistency across different audience segments.
Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/managing-marketing/id1018735190
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For more episodes of TrinityP3’s Managing Marketing podcast, visit https://www.trinityp3.com/managing-marketing-podcasts/
Recorded on RiversideFM and edited, mixed and managed by JML Audio with thanks to Jared Lattouf.
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Ahron Young, founder and CEO of Ticker News, to discuss the current state of journalism, the evolution of news media, and the challenges faced by modern journalists. Ahron shares his personal journey in journalism, from his early days as a cadet journalist to becoming a foreign correspondent and eventually launching Ticker News.
The conversation delves into the impact of technology on journalism, the importance of maintaining integrity in news reporting, and the innovative approach Ticker Studio takes in creating engaging content for audiences. Ahron emphasizes the need for journalists to adapt to the changing media landscape while remaining committed to delivering credible and authentic news.
Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/managing-marketing/id1018735190
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For more episodes of TrinityP3’s Managing Marketing podcast, visit https://www.trinityp3.com/managing-marketing-podcasts/
Recorded on RiversideFM and edited, mixed and managed by JML Audio with thanks to Jared Lattouf.
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Angela Tangas, the new Global Oliver CEO and The Brandtech Group’s Chief Strategy Officer, and Jack Smyth, Brandtech and Jellyfish’s Country Lead in Australia, discuss the transformative impact of agentic AI on marketing.
We explore the definition of agentic AI, its applications in real-world marketing scenarios, and the benefits it brings to efficiency and decision-making. The conversation also delves into the importance of building consumer trust in AI, the evolving landscape of branding, and the role of creativity in the age of AI. Additionally, they discuss how organizations can attract and retain talent in this new environment and provide methodologies for implementing AI effectively in marketing strategies.
If last year was the year when Generative AI took centre stage with some high-profile brand film productions, then this year is looking to be the year of the agents. Agentic AI is not just the hot topic; it is driving brand transformations as the new operating system for brands, for creativity, for growth and for talent attraction and retention.
Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/managing-marketing/id1018735190
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For more episodes of TrinityP3’s Managing Marketing podcast, visit https://www.trinityp3.com/managing-marketing-podcasts/
Recorded on RiversideFM and edited, mixed and managed by JML Audio with thanks to Jared Lattouf.
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Jon Wild shares his insights into how to create a growth engine for a business. From Pet Circle and Groupon, to Hotel Club, Unilever and O2 to name a few.
He shares why and how he distills data to discover a true insight, creates focus for competitive advantage, and rallies resources and teams to run tests successfully at scale. Across all the Ps of true marketing.
Jon emphasizes the need for simplicity in strategy, the significance of understanding unit economics, and the evolving landscape of customer engagement through personalization and effective marketing strategies.
Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/managing-marketing/id1018735190
Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/75mJ4Gt6MWzFWvmd3A64XW?si=a3b63c66ab6e4934
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For more episodes of TrinityP3’s Managing Marketing podcast, visit https://www.trinityp3.com/managing-marketing-podcasts/
Recorded on RiversideFM and edited, mixed and managed by JML Audio with thanks to Jared Lattouf.
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Lydia Feely, General Manager and Kylie Ridler-Dutton, Senior Global Agency Consultant discuss the complexities and challenges faced by marketers in 2025, including the rise of AI, budget constraints, and the evolving role of procurement.
The past year has been a roller coaster ride with holding company consolidations, the continued growth of the independent agencies, principal based media trading, the continued dominance of the social media and technology platforms, the transformational impact of artificial intelligence and more.
Lydia and Kylie explore the impact of the creator economy and the importance of effective agency collaboration, as well as strategies for navigating the changing landscape in 2026.
Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/managing-marketing/id1018735190
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For more episodes of TrinityP3’s Managing Marketing podcast, visit https://www.trinityp3.com/managing-marketing-podcasts/
Recorded on RiversideFM and edited, mixed and managed by JML Audio with thanks to Jared Lattouf.
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In this special end-of-year episode of Managing Marketing, host Darren Woolley, Founder and CEO of Trinity P3 Marketing Management Consultancy, brings together a dozen of Trinity P3's subject matter experts to discuss the biggest issues and opportunities facing marketers and their agencies in the coming year, covering topics from pitching and data to finance, DEI, and environmental reporting.
TrinityP3 consultants include Kylie Ridler-Dutton on the challenges of pitching, Nathan Hodges on dealing with complexity, Nick Hand on defining value, Stephen Wright on the impact of AI on media, Adrian Treahy on first party data and privacy, Christopher Sewell on Net Zero Marketing, Ellie Angell on the importance of DE&I, Anton Buchner on IA - Increasing Accountability, Lydia Feely on prioritise to do something, Dr Kate Gunby on measurement, Mark Smith on the BetterPitch and Jeremy Taylor on the conflict of interest for Intermediaries.
Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/managing-marketing/id1018735190
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For more episodes of TrinityP3’s Managing Marketing podcast, visit https://www.trinityp3.com/managing-marketing-podcasts/
Recorded on RiversideFM and edited, mixed and managed by JML Audio with thanks to Jared Lattouf.
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John Minty has more than two decades of agency operational experience as a CFO and COO both in the US and Australia for many of the major agency brands.
In the 21st century the advertising agency landscape is rapidly changing. In-housing of agency functions by marketers, the impact of AI, particularly on production, the role of procurement on agency fees, the inability of the industry fee model to maintain and reward value, the associated rise of the independent agencies and the consolidation and transformation of the holding companies are all having major impacts on the agency business model.
He discuss the evolving landscape of advertising agencies, emphasizing the need for bravery, transformation, and a shift in operational practices.
John explore the importance of defining agency performance beyond traditional metrics, the impact of pricing models, and the necessity of fostering a culture of togetherness and experimentation. The conversation highlights the critical role of people in agency success and the need for all levels of staff to engage in operational change.
Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/managing-marketing/id1018735190
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For more episodes of TrinityP3’s Managing Marketing podcast, visit https://www.trinityp3.com/managing-marketing-podcasts/
Recorded on RiversideFM and edited, mixed and managed by JML Audio with thanks to Jared Lattouf.
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Natasha Aaron has extensive experience in developing and managing high-performance marketing teams across disrupted and rapidly growing retail, e-commerce, and food delivery businesses. Natasha talks about the evolving role of marketing leaders in today's fast-paced environment. She discuss the importance of curiosity, the need for clear communication and goal-setting, and the challenges of managing remote teams.
Natasha shares her insights on building high-performing teams, celebrating small wins, and the impact of AI on marketing practices. The conversation highlights the necessity for marketers to adapt to change, embrace new technologies, and foster collaboration across departments to drive business success.
Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/managing-marketing/id1018735190
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For more episodes of TrinityP3’s Managing Marketing podcast, visit https://www.trinityp3.com/managing-marketing-podcasts/
Recorded on RiversideFM and edited, mixed and managed by JML Audio with thanks to Jared Lattouf.
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Dan Ferguson brings commercial rigour to any CMO role with a deep expertise in launching and growing ecommerce sales. He has helped transform Adore Beauty, Power Club, Vistaprint and OfficeWorks amongst others; and is a Board advisor with preezie, and NORA (the National Online Retailers Association).
Dan shares his entrepreneurial wisdom and creativity in a conversation that delves into the importance of leveraging data to gain a competitive edge in the market. He emphasizes the role of understanding the total addressable market (TAM) and how businesses can utilize data to make informed decisions that set them apart from competitors.
Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/managing-marketing/id1018735190
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For more episodes of TrinityP3’s Managing Marketing podcast, visit https://www.trinityp3.com/managing-marketing-podcasts/
Recorded on RiversideFM and edited, mixed and managed by JML Audio with thanks to Jared Lattouf.
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Nathan Hodges, Managing Director of TrinityP3 ANZ discuss the complexities of agency rosters in the marketing landscape. He outlines the evolution of agency models, the impact of in-house agencies, and the importance of data-driven decision-making.
Their conversation emphasizes the need for marketers to actively manage their agency relationships and adapt to the changing technological landscape, particularly with the rise of AI. Key insights include the necessity of flexibility in agency models and the importance of understanding both current and future marketing needs.
Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/managing-marketing/id1018735190
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For more episodes of TrinityP3’s Managing Marketing podcast, visit https://www.trinityp3.com/managing-marketing-podcasts/
Recorded on RiversideFM and edited, mixed and managed by JML Audio with thanks to Jared Lattouf.
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Abe Kasbo is the founder and CEO of Verasoni. An independent marketing communications advisory firm based in New Jersey. Abe discusses why he published his latest book, Irresponsibly Digital.
He challenges mid market leaders to confront the unchecked excesses and missed opportunities of today’s digital-first landscape.
Abe discusess the importance of accountability, understanding customer behavior, and the need for courage in marketing strategies. He emphasizes the significance of storytelling in marketing, the pitfalls of social media engagement, and the resurgence of traditional media.
From Pet Rocks to Trump; OpenAI to Amazon. Abe and Anton traverse the clickocracy, challenges and opportunities facing marketers today.
Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/managing-marketing/id1018735190
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For more episodes of TrinityP3’s Managing Marketing podcast, visit https://www.trinityp3.com/managing-marketing-podcasts/
Recorded on RiversideFM and edited, mixed and managed by JML Audio with thanks to Jared Lattouf.
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Ian Perrin, founder of Speed, talks about his journey in the marketing industry, the importance of differentiating indie agencies, and the impact of mental health initiatives like Keep Talking.
He discuss the evolving landscape of in-housing versus outsourcing, the challenges and opportunities it presents, and the transformative role of AI in marketing.
Ian also emphasizes the need for agencies to focus on client-centric models and the importance of having open conversations about mental health in the industry.
Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/managing-marketing/id1018735190
Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/75mJ4Gt6MWzFWvmd3A64XW?si=a3b63c66ab6e4934
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For more episodes of TrinityP3’s Managing Marketing podcast, visit https://www.trinityp3.com/managing-marketing-podcasts/
Recorded on RiversideFM and edited, mixed and managed by JML Audio with thanks to Jared Lattouf.
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Darren Wallace, Executive General Manager at Bega Group, talks about the challenges and opportunities in managing iconic consumer packaged goods brands, particularly in the dairy sector.
He discuss the importance of local ownership, the evolution of marketing strategies, navigating consumer trends, product development, distribution channels, pricing strategies, and advertising approaches.
Darryn shares insights from his extensive career in the industry, emphasizing the significance of relationships, brand loyalty, and adapting to changing consumer preferences.
Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/managing-marketing/id1018735190
Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/75mJ4Gt6MWzFWvmd3A64XW?si=a3b63c66ab6e4934
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For more episodes of TrinityP3’s Managing Marketing podcast, visit https://www.trinityp3.com/managing-marketing-podcasts/
Recorded on RiversideFM and edited, mixed and managed by JML Audio with thanks to Jared Lattouf.
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