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In our Season 2 finale, Angela and Annie relive the best Taiwanese meal they ate this year, and discuss books that connect us with different parts of our Taiwanese, Chinese, and American heritage. We share our Spotify Wrapped and play a listener voicemail.
Credits:
âPUNCHLINEâ and âLITTLE FIRESâ from BUNNY MODE courtesy of the artist Jaguar Jonze (@jaguarjonze on IG)
Resources:
Good to Eat restaurant (read Gathering Taiwanese American community at Emeryvilleâs âGood to Eatâ)
First Generation: Recipes from My Taiwanese-American Home by Frankie Gaw
The Poppy War by R. F. Kuang
We Were Dreamers: An Immigrant Superhero Origin Story by Simu Liu
The Many Daughters of Afong Moy by Jamie Ford
Blueprints by Jeanelle Fu
S02E09 Can you be Chinese and Taiwanese at the same time?
S01E12 Twinkies and Bananas
S02E03 Bringing Taiwanese values to entrepreneurship
S01E14 Hearts (and ears) in Japan
S01E05 Wang or Wang?
Appearances:
Hyphen Magazine A Roundtable On Taiwan's Recent Representation In Western Media
EYECTV on YouTube How ROC immigrants recognize themselves?
Ryan Ma on TaiwaneseAmerican.org CĆng yĂłu BÇng: A Catalyst for Taiwanese Self-Identity
YLE Radio (Finnish) Russia, Ukraine, China, and Taiwan
Featuring:
Olivia Chen, Twrl Milk Tea
Angie Lin, Good to Eat
Grace Hwang Lynch, freelance writer
Leona Chen, TaiwaneseAmerican.org
Peter Chu, TAP-SF
Kimberly Yang, Formosa Chocolates
Willy Wang, Taiwan Bento
Stephanie Lin, KRON 4
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In this episode, we get to know Joy Huang, one of the founders and moderators for the Taiwanese Home Cooking Facebook group. She started her food blog, The Cooking of Joy, because she was inspired to document her mom's Taiwanese dishes. This hobby continued to grow and now you can find her work on Instagram at @joyosity where she is known for her artistic take on baked goods. We asked Joy to share her early influences, tips for food photography, and some of the most lively topics discussed in the Facebook group of over 35,000 people who love to make Taiwanese food.
Featuring Joy Huang:
The Cooking of Joy blog: www.cookingofjoy.com @joyosity and #thecookingofjoy on InstagramTaiwanese Home Cooking Facebook GroupResources mentioned:
Joy Huang on Some Good News by John Krasinski, Bon Appetit, and Food52Taiwanese Restaurant Recommendations around the world (Google MyMap)Joyâs guide to making bread including her sourdough recipeJoyâs beef noodle soup (niu rou mian) recipe (original, latest)Joyâs recipes for various dumplingsTaiwanese American Foundation (TAF) summer conferenceBoston Organics produce deliveryJocelyn Shyongâs homemade pineapple cakes in the Boston area (must be in Facebook Group), or @jjcookery on InstagramEric Sze on Munchies YouTube on white pepper in Taiwanese food and five-spice tooCover art photo credits: Joy Huang
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Angelaâs mom shares a memory from her college days and Angela learns more about her mom as a person through this story. Let us know if you do a similar exercise recording the stories your parents tell you behind their old photos!
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Google PhotoScan app
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instagram.com/parentsarehuman
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In this episode, we examine the dark side of the model minority myth and the âtiger momâ stereotype. Joanna Hoâs first young adult novel, The Silence that Binds Us, is inspired by a real communityâs anti-Asian reaction to teen suicides. Discussing the novel also compels Annie and Angela to get real about passive and active anti-Blackness in the Asian American community.
Featuring Joanna Ho:
Buy The Silence that Binds Us by Joanna Ho@joannahowrites on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, and TikTokBook author visits on joannahowrites.comAbout Joanna: Joanna Ho is the New York Times bestselling and award-winning author of Eyes that Kiss in the Corners, Eyes that Speak to the Stars, Playing at the Border: A Story of Yo-Yo Ma, and The Silence that Binds Us. She is a writer and educator with a passion for anti-bias, anti-racism and equity work. She has been an English teacher, a vice principal, a dean, the designer of an alternative-to-prison program, and a professional development creator partnering with educational leaders around the country. She survives on homemade chocolate chip cookies, outdoor adventures, and dance parties with her kids.
More resources (primarily for US listeners):
Gratitude giveaway details on Instagram, Facebook, and TwitterSuicide Prevention Lifeline Network, 1-800-273-TALK (8255)The Trevor Project for LGBTQ+ and questioningAsians for Mental Health therapist directoryResources for survivors of suicide lossTiger parenting (Wikipedia), Panda parenting (Psychology Today)LA riots following 1992 acquittal of officers for beating Rodney King (Wikipedia)Hearts in Taiwan in the news:
Hyphen Magazine (link coming soon)Radio Taiwan International, Russian ServiceNew York Times articleConnect:
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About 32% of people in Taiwan identify as both Taiwanese and Chinese, while diaspora from Taiwan in America tend to identify as solely one or the other. We talk about blending Chinese, Taiwanese, and American identity with Michelle Kuo and Albert Wu. Michelle and Albert moved back to their heritage country mid-career and have been sharing their Asian American observations and introspections about living in Taiwan in their weekly newsletter, A Broad and Ample Road.
Featuring Michelle Kuo and Albert Wu:
Remembering Michelleâs grandmother in A Broad and Ample RoadReflecting on Albertâs mother in A Broad and Ample RoadIs âAsian-Americanâ a viable category? in A Broad and Ample RoadBreaking Bad review by Albert Wu and Michelle Kuo in the Los Angeles Review of Books, their first collaborationReading with Patrick by Michelle Kuo (éȘäœ èźäžć» in Taiwan)Michelle Kuo: @kuokuomich on Twitter and Instagram Albert Wu: @albertowu on TwitterAbout Michelle: Michelle Kuo is a visiting professor in the law program at National Taiwan University. She has worked with Teach for America, the Criminal Justice Institute, the NAACP Legal Defense Fund, Centro Legal de la Raza, the Prison University Project at San Quentin, RAICES, and the Stanford Three Strikes Project. She has started a nonprofit, Dialogue & Transformation, which works to create dialogue among formerly incarcerated people across the world.
About Albert: Albert Wu is a global historian, focusing particularly on the transnational connections between Germany and China, the history of religion, and the history of medicine. He is currently an Associate Research Fellow at the Institute of History and Philology, Academia Sinica. After studying history at Columbia University, he has taught at the American University of Paris, UC Berkeley (where he earned his PhD), and the Prison University Project at San Quentin State Prison.
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ć€çäșș waishengren - Family from mainland China who moved to Taiwan to escape Communism in the late 1940s
æŹçäșș benshengren - Family who was already in Taiwan when waishengren cameOther resources mentioned:
Changes in the Taiwanese/Chinese identity of Taiwanese as Tracked in Surveys by the Election Study Center, NCCU (1992-2021)The Ethics of Identity by Kwame Anthony AppiahI've Got the Light of Freedom by Charles M. PayneConnect:
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The mass shooting at the Irvine Taiwanese Presbyterian Church in Laguna Woods, CA has sparked conversation about the significance of the Presbyterian Church for many Taiwanese individuals. Annie and Angela interview Christine Lin, a lawyer and expert on the history and influence of the Presbyterian Church in Taiwan who also conducts research on Taiwanese American identity. The hosts also share their own experiences with Christianity.
Featuring Christine Lin:
Respond to Christineâs current research: âSurvey of Taiwanese Americans on Identity Issuesâ, 2022âThe Presbyterian Church in Taiwan and the Advocacy of Local Autonomyâ (PDF) by Christine Louise Lin for Sino-Platonic Papers, 1999âWhat Impacts a Taiwanese Americans' Political Identity?â by Christine Lin for Chinese America: History & PerspectivesâThe Journal of the Chinese Historical Society of America, Special Issue: Taiwanese Americans, 2017Christine Lin quoted in âGunman Targets Taiwanese Faith With Long Pro-Democracy Linkâ (Associated Press)Contact Christine Lin on LinkedInAbout Christine: Christine Lin is a Taiwanese American lawyer. Her research on the topic of the Presbyterian Church in Taiwan inspired her to pursue a career in human rights, refugee, and immigration law. Currently, she is the Director of Training and Technical Assistance at the Center for Gender & Refugee Studies based at UC Hastings College of the Law where she has taught the Refugee & Human Rights Clinic. Previously, she was the Legal Director of Hong Kong Refugee Advice Centre and taught refugee legal assistance clinics at the University of Hong Kong and the Chinese University of Hong Kong.
More resources:
Major branches of Christianity (Wikipedia)Presbyterian Church USA allows same-sex marriages (NPR, 2015)Related episode: âTaiwanese by the Numbersâ (Hearts in Taiwan, August 5, 2021)New York Times interview that consulted Christine Lin and interviewed Annie and Angela: "Coming From Separate Worlds in Taiwan, They Collided at California Church" (https://nyti.ms/3mDXG2q)Connect:
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The Chinese name for America, çŸćœ/çŸć/mÄiguĂł, translates to âBeautiful Countryâ. We talked with author Jane Kuo about her experience as a 1.5-generation immigrant bridging Chinese, Taiwanese, and American identity. Her familyâs pursuit of the American Dream inspired her debut novel In the Beautiful Country which is available for pre-order before its June 28 release (delayed from June 14 due to supply chain issues).
Featuring Jane Kuo:
In the Beautiful Country by Jane Kuojanekuo.com for upcoming tour dates and projectsinstagram.com/janekuowritesfacebook.com/janekuowritestwitter.com/janekuowritesAbout Jane: Jane Kuo is a Chinese and Taiwanese American writer. She is an immigrant and the daughter of immigrants. Jane grew up in Los Angeles in the 1980s and as a child, she spent her weekends and summers working in her familyâs fast food restaurant. Janeâs middle grade novel, In the Beautiful Country, is a fictional story inspired by the events of her childhood.
Other works mentioned:
Inside Out and Back Again by Thanhha LaiMaslowâs hierarchy of needs (Wikipedia)Asian Comedian Destroys America!, Ronny Chiengâs first special on NetflixEnglish language writing by Taiwanese Americans about the May 15 shooting in Laguna Woods, California
Brian Hioe for New Bloom Magazine, âConfusion About âChineseâ Or âTaiwaneseâ Identity Of Gunman After Shooting At Taiwanese Church In CaliforniaâHoChie Tsai and Leona Chen for TaiwaneseAmerican.org, âWe grieve the May 15th Shooting at Irvine Taiwanese Presbyterian ChurchâJocelyn Chung for USA Today, âChurch shooting is deeply personal for us as Taiwanese AmericansâA prayer by Jocelynâs ama for the Irvine Taiwanese Presbyterian Church (Instagram video in Taiwanese with English translation in the caption)Connect:
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Who were the Taiwanese before they called themselves Taiwanese? In this episode, weâre going back to school for a crash course in history with Dr. Evan Dawley. We discuss identity on the island before the Japanese colonial period, the influences of Japanese colonizers and the Kuomintang-led Republic of China, and identity among the modern Chinese diaspora. This historical overview of the formation and evolution of the Taiwanese identity provides context for present day conversations.
Resources mentioned:
Becoming Taiwanese: Ethnogenesis in a Colonial City, 1880s to 1950s (Harvard University Press) by Evan N. Dawley, Chinese edition (NTU Press)TaiwanPrimarySources.com, collected by Wayne Soon (Vassar College) and Evan Dawley (Goucher College)The 4th World Congress of Taiwan Studies, June 27 to 29, 2022 in Seattle, WashingtonOrphan of Asia by Zhuoliu WuGreen Island by Shawna Yang RyanTrends of Core Political Attitudes survey data by the Election Study Center at National Chengchi UniversityThe Good Immigrants: How the Yellow Peril Became the Model Minority by Madeline HsuThe Great Exodus from China: Trauma, Memory, and Identity in Modern Taiwan by Dominic YangAmerican Exodus: Second-Generation Chinese Americans in China, 1901â1949 by Charlotte BrooksRemembering China from Taiwan: Divided Families and Bittersweet Reunions after the Chinese Civil War by Mahlon MeyerâThe War in Ukraine Has Unleashed a New Wordâ by Timothy Snyder for The New York Times MagazineMore publications by Evan DawleyAbout Evan: Evan Dawley is Associate Professor of History at Goucher College, where he has taught since 2013, and he previously worked in the Office of the Historian at the U.S. Department of State. His research relates to modern East Asian history, with particular attention to Taiwan, China, and Japan, as well as identity formation, imperialism, and international/transnational history.
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We hope that sharing this conversation helps anyone who has chased top grades, Instagram followers, performance ratings and promotions at work, or other external metrics of success. Taking and sharing personality tests teaches us new things about ourselves and each other. We discover that we each have a strong inner tiger parent, and we discuss the paradox that seeking external validation actually ends up blocking deeper social connections. Throughout, we realize how our respective beliefs about our own self-worth manifest differently in our podcast partnership.
Take the personality tests:
16personalities.com/free-personality-test
personalitypath.com/free-enneagram-personality-testPersonality Types mentioned about ourselves:
Enneagram Type 1: Perfectionist
Enneagram Type 3: Achiever
Enneagram Type 5: Investigator
16 Personalities ISTJ Logistician
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Inspired by our conversation with Carey Lai, hosts Angela and Annie share the rocky beginnings of starting their careers in the early â00s when nobody was hiring after the dot-com bubble burst. We also share a different way of looking at the career journey to get around leadership ceilings.
Mentioned:
â10 big dot-com flopsâ (money.cnn.com)
âCareers are a jungle gym, not a ladderâ - excerpt from Lean In by Sheryl Sandberg
Related episode: Bringing Taiwanese values to entrepreneurship with Carey Lai (Hearts in Taiwan S2E3)
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âBudget Conscious | Authentic Relationships | Integrityââthese values distinguish Conductive Ventures from other venture capital firms that hold the keys to which startups get funding in Silicon Valley. Our guest Carey Lai shares how his story and shared values with co-founder Paul Yeh have shaped their unique formula for investment that have led to a portfolio of companies that is two-thirds led by minorities and first-generation immigrants.
Featuring:
Conductive Ventures (conductive.vc)
Sand Hill Road as the epicenter of venture capital (Wikipedia)
The story behind Bay Area dim sum legend Koi Palace (Eater)
Related episode: Hearts in Japan (Hearts in Taiwan S1E14)
About our guest:
Carey Lai is a Founding Member and Managing Director at Conductive Ventures which focuses on investments in the areas of software, hardware and technology enabled services.
Prior to Conductive Ventures, Carey spent over four years investing at Intel Capital. He also worked at Institutional Venture Partners and the Technology Investment Banking Group at Bank of America Merrill Lynch.
Carey has an M.B.A. from the Wharton School of Business at the University of Pennsylvania, and he graduated with a B.A. in International Economics from the University of California Los Angeles.
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Whether you call your grandmother âamahâ, âpopoâ, âwaipoâ, ânainaiâ, âmamaâ, âgrandmaâ, or something else, she plays a key role in your connection to your heritage. Amah Faraway tells the story of how young Kylie transforms from feeling unsure and reluctant to embracing her grandmother and her heritage country. We got to talk with author Margaret Chiu Greanias and illustrator Tracy Subisak and found many common threads that the Taiwanese diaspora will see reflected throughout this delightful picture book.
Where to buy Amah Faraway:
Signed by Margaret (Linden Tree Books)Signed by Tracy (Green Bean Books)Your preferred booksellersMargaret Chiu Greanias
TwitterInstagramWebsiteTracy Subisak
InstagramWebsiteAdditional resources:
Chinese family tree (Off the Great Wall video, Mina Learns Chinese Instagram graphics for grandparents, aunts/uncles)Taiwanese family tree (Taiwanese)"Lost Generation", a palindromic poem by Jonathan Reed (video, text)Taiwanese Association of Greater Portland (TAGP)Connect:
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Hosts Annie Wang and Angela Yu kick off Season 2 with an interview of Abigail Hing Wen, author of New York Times bestseller Loveboat, Taipei which is currently being filmed in Taiwan starring Ashley Jiao, Ross Butler, Nico Hiraga, and Chelsea Zhang. The Young Adult novelâs sequel Loveboat Reunion hits bookshelves January 25.
We learned how Abigail's family background has shaped her worldview, got a realtime account of what it's like to run around Taiwan with movie stars, and talked frankly about how bamboo and glass ceilings are very real for Asian women in tech. From references to The Baby-Sitters Club and Bridgerton to Angela quoting Abigail's books back to her three times, this conversation is unique to say the least.Featuring:
Loveboat, TaipeiLoveboat ReunionSerendipity featuring "The Idiom Algorithm", a short story by Abigail Hing Wen
Follow @abigailhingwen on Instagram
Subscribe to Abigail's newsletter on abigailhingwen.com
Where to buy:If you're interested in a similar immersive cultural camp for the current generation of Taiwanese American youth who have completed grades 4 through 12, look into Leading Youth Forward (LYF) Camp organized by the Taiwanese American Citizens League and held in the San Francisco Bay Area.
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Hearts in Taiwan podcast is back with a second season! Hosts Annie Wang and Angela Yu share what you can look forward to this year.
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Was it crazy for two women in their 40s with kids, full-time jobs, and no media experience to start a podcast during the pandemic? From our first emails in January, we never would have guessed that by September weâd be wrapping our first season with 18 episodes and hundreds of listeners. In this episode, we look at the progress weâve made on our journey so far, what weâve learned about ourselves and each other, and the surprises weâve encountered along the way. We reveal popular episodes and our favorites, then share whatâs in store ahead.
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As English-speaking parents living outside our heritage country, we discuss how we go about passing our culture on to our kids. From seeking out Mandarin Immersion schools and caregivers, cultivating our kids' palates to appreciate Taiwanese food, and planning to visit Taiwan regularly for family vacations (when we can again!), we share whatâs worked and what hasnât across our kids ranging from age 4 to 12. Angela also shares the many new resources that have cropped up from entrepreneurs in the past 5 years to help parents like us.
Links:
NTNU Mandarin summer camp
Mina Learns Chinese Instagram Reels featuring shows and movies on Netflix and Disney+ with Mandarin audio tracks
Go! Go! Cory Carson on Netflix by Alex Woo and Stanley Moore of Kuku Studios
Alok Menon on Instagram normalizing body hair and trans beauty
La La Learn app for iPhone and iPad by Alice Han featuring childrenâs songs in Mandarin
Hearts in Taiwan raising bilingual kids resources page lists all the books we mentioned and more (https://heartsintaiwan.com/raising-bilingual-kids)
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When we recorded our episode on politics in Taiwan, we practiced a mock debate to help us understand the viewpoints of the green and blue ends of the Taiwanese political spectrum. The issue in question: Should Taiwan formally declare independence from China in the next 12 months? Each of us was randomly assigned to represent one side in this bonus companion to the â50 shades of green (and blue)â episode.
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Cover photo of the infamous âpig guts brawlâ in Taiwanâs legislative yuan by Gwydion M. Williams on Flickr with additional edits by Hearts in Taiwan.
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Annie and Angela tackle a taboo topic: politics in Taiwan! From dark green to light green and light blue to dark blue, we attempt to understand why each party believes what they do, and relate our observations to American pop culture. Plus, Angela asks for your recommendations for earth-friendly products that arenât made in China.
Brawls in Taiwanâs Legislative Yuan (YouTube: pig guts in 2020, commonplace in 2017)Wild Lily student movement (OFTaiwan)1992 Consensus (Wikipedia)China interfering with Taiwanâs vaccine procurement (article)#FreeBritney Spears from conservatorship (freebritney.net)Sex and the City struggles of moving in together (clip)Green partiesâ anti-nuclear platform (article)Insecureâs Thug Yoda character replacing âcâ with âbâ (clip, HBO homepage, Compton rapper YG explains on YouTube)Taiwan passport 2021 redesign (BBC)False comparison between US policy toward Afghanistan and Taiwan (New Bloom Magazine, Taiwan Insight)Taiwan Relations Act of 1979 (official text)Japanâs security tied to Taiwan (article)What Taiwanese Americans can learn from Taiwanese Politics (TaiwaneseAmerican.org)
Further reading:#notsponsored:
Piico floss picks made in Taiwan (website, Instagram)
Indigenous American-owned businesses (IG Guide, Website)
Buy Nothing project for neighborhood sharing (buynothingproject.org)Credit:
Cover photo by tomscy2000 on Flickr depicting a young protester during the Sunflower Movement
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Japan has some of the more notable cultural influences on Taiwan due to its 50 year occupation of Taiwan from 1895 to 1945. We explore some of the marks that Japan has left and its unique approach to colonization of Taiwan. Annie's mom returns for a guest appearance.
Sources
The Empire of Japan (Wikipedia)
Kano - 2014 movie about the baseball team
Ear cleaning with mimikaki (JapanTravel)
Ear cleaning in Chengdu, China (BBC)
Ellie Yang Campâs post on ear wax types (Instagram)
Symbolism of plum blossom æą è± in Taiwan (Wikipedia)
The Twenty-One Demands from Japan to China in 1915 (Wikipedia)
Nanjing Massacre (Wikipedia)Further reading
https://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-taiwan-japan-20171106-story.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/04/magazine/taiwan-china.html
Taiwan as part of the Japanese empire (Encyclopedia Britannica)
Longing for the Spring Breeze song history (Wikipedia)
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EVA Air Hello Kitty flights
EVA Air Hello Kitty flights to nowhere in August 2020 (CNN)
EVA Air flight map draws thumbs-up sign (Scooper)
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âææ„éąšLonging for the Spring Breezeâ was one of the first Taiwanese pop songs during the period of Japanese colonization.
Longing for the Spring Breeze cover by èè©äžč Dan Hsueh and çżć ç Wico Weng
Original recording of Longing for the Spring Breeze
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Just how big is the worldwide Taiwanese community anyway? We look at the numbers past and present that make up Taiwan and its diaspora, and discuss why itâs hard to track and measure the Taiwanese diaspora. The numbers surprise us and also leave us with some mysteries.
Sources:
UN world population prospects for Taiwan
CIA World Factbook page on Taiwan
Wikipedia page on Austronesian peoples
Wikipedia page on Christianity in China
Taipei vs New Taipei City Quora answer
Wikipedia page on Overseas Taiwanese
Taiwanâs OCAC report of 1M Taiwanese emigrants to the US (as of 2010)
TACL summary of Census 2020 âWrite in Taiwaneseâ campaign
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"Level Up" by Vienna Teng (Spotify)
Cover photo: Liao Chen-huei, Taipei Times
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