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This is part 3, and we’re straight into the reading (continuing on from last episode).
It's a short episode 22, and JA is in a shit with her father though it’s unclear what about. She tries to drive to Black Rock beach and can’t find Black Rock beach!Then heading back home there’s the wall of dust, yes! Melbourne’s historical dust storm that turned the streets black with the dirt blown from the Mallee. Hottest Melbourne day ever: 42.3 degrees.
And while there’s always exact attention paid to the date at the beginning of each diary entry, things are light on the detail front when it comes to filling all of us in about an argument with Roger. As Jenny writes: ‘Haven’t heard from dad, time will tell.’
But back to Simon: it’s six days until Valentine’s Day and Jenny is hopeful. Plus she finds $5 on the dance floor at a No Nonsense gig at the Village Green: worthy of celebration!
Lily: Aren’t you bored of seeing No Nonsense? But she’s amazed at 1983 prices: a glass of red wine at Leo’s in St Kilda: 70 cents! More bands, more NN, Corpse Grinders, Allniters and even UB40, from the UK.
And wrapping up with a trip to Queenscliff with girlfriends.
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Simon is gone and Jenny’s trying not to write about him in her diary!
So she plays guitar and goes to see bands, and of course watches TV – The Partridge Family, Gidget, Young Doctors, Rock Around the World and Carson’s Law.
We have the distinctly summer memory of picking up the school books from Campion and we also have ‘yet another dinner stuffed at the Dragon Phoenix’ with Roger.
We become confused by ‘mewing’ and all-round Gen Alpha terms before getting back to the ‘80s and Jenny’s burgeoning dreadlocks – you read that right, she wants hair like Nina Hage and Ari Up. On and we hear about Jenny’s idea for a novel which is pretty cringe – there’s Anna and Miguel and a kidnapping Count on the horizon!
Links for mentions:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Partridge_Family
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gidget_(TV_series)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Young_Doctors
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carson%27s_Law
T.I.S.M https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TISM
https://www.languagetransfer.org/
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We learn a lot about stone in this episode!
This is part 1 of a mega recording push, with part 2 to publish on 19 December and part 3, well we'll publish that on the same day as part 2. Why not, it's the festive season.Lily has the imam and his wife coming to afternoon tea and her linen pants are ruined because of stone dust after visit to the stone men. Yes it’s an update on Lily’s life in south of Turkey where she’s living with her father, and we also have Jenny’s current fixation on a couple of Australian celebrities…
We talk about boundaries in relationships and how important they are, and how nobody talks about them (or we’re only just starting to now). And a couple of questions: Have we lost the art of short term flings, or love affairs? Will Andrew Garfield and Chicken Shop Date girl, Amelia Dimoldenberg, get it together?
As well, there’s a slightly disappointing Adam Ant reveal... grand plans and all that.
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Content note: mention of sexual assault
It’s still January 1983 and we wonder: skin diving – is it a thing?
We continue straight on with part 2 of the reading, continuing from last episode.There’s more about the Sydney trip and it seems it might be off due to parental opposition, but then just as quickly, it’s back on again. And there’s a struggle to cook eggs for Simon from Bristol, and then Jenny… drives Simon home. Again.
Shortly after, down at Inverloch, she starts reading The Story of O, Pauline Reage and then there’s the first mention of roll-your-own cigarettes. Jenny manages to lock the keys in the car twice and also manages to get picked up on Middle Park Beach by two German tourists, Wolfgang and Michael.Meanwhile Simon is away picking tobacco in rural Victoria. And of course there’s another mohair cardigan on lay-buy.
It’s just all happening.
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This is part 1 of this recording, with part 2 publishing in a fortnight.
We start off with a Lily travelogue update including a Britboy update, also a Jenny riding – and falling – updateAnd then we’re back in January 1983. Jenny is trying to tidy her room, she plans to drive to Sydney in the VW Beetle with her friends and her mum is opposing the idea. Finally also there’s some Simon from Bristol action but Jenny is wary. She organises to defer uni and then goes on a date.
Talk about a happening Jan!
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In this segment from our 8JUN record, Lily tells us a bit more about britboy. Does he see her as a pocket girlfriend, or is it her who sees him as a pocket bf? These are only some of the questions Jenny has... Listen in for the lowdown. (Apologies for being so late with this, we had to wait a bit... had it hidden on patreon but NO ONE LISTENED.)
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** Content note: a bit of weight talk
It's another side chat and it's all TV... we talk Kardashians, ozempic, the crab theory, and choosing unsuitable people. There's a BritBoy update along with more relationship insights. The big question is, though: how many times can Jenny say 'cinque terre'???
Link you probably won't be interested in but here they are anyway:
Indy Clinton on tiktok
https://www.tiktok.com/@indyclinton?lang=en
Kardashians
5 seasons on Disney
Millions of earlier seasons on HAYU
the crab theory
there's the 'crab mentality' as described in this blog post
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*** Content note: mention of suicide
We’re back to diaries and it’s late December 1982… Jenny has a new-found ambition to be a ‘successful musician’ (because she learned some chords), and to get a job in London. She hates ‘everyone’ because they don’t ‘take her seriously’. Ah, to be 19 and totally delulu.
She goes to the Ballroom, for the ‘Punk Revival’ night; sees bands Genocide, Depression and The Boot Boys. Jenny tells Lily about finding a No Nonsense page on Facebook, run by Richard, lead singer.
There’s a beach party at Middle Park, she’s reading Lolita (‘very interesting’) and there’s a discussion about the idea of ‘ethical reading’, with a lengthy Nabokov tangent. We talk sculpture, and Bellini, and then it’s back to the Ballroom and Simon from Bristol is on the scene. A Christmas party at Jenny’s cousins, then Inflation for a boog.
Simon from Bristol (let’s call him SFB) gives Jenny and Dee a guitar lesson in true 1980s flirt-fashion; they learn the Clash’s White Riot which is basically two chords. Jenny mentions wanting to buy some new records: Derek and Clive’s Ad Nauseum, and the Damned’s New Rose. She recommends looking up the video on youtube: ‘it’s good!’
Then we have one of J’s origin moments: when the guy tries to push her in the pool but she doesn’t let him: she pushes him in! Haha, it’s SFB!
Then it’s NYE ’82 with a Hawaiian-themed night at the Aberdeen Hotel, with No Nonsense playing, and Off Beats. J ‘beats’ Dickie’s girlfriend to the midnight kiss. Then it’s off to Tony the sax player’s sister’s place in Rathdowne Street for a party. The night is long, with Jenny and Dee walking up the hill home in Ashburton at 7.30am. See, even the mothers can rage!
We have some links if you're interested:
Article when googled: ‘Would Lolita be published now, what was the reception?’
https://lithub.com/how-would-the-publishing-world-respond-to-lolita-today/
Giovanni Bellini, Italian sculptor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Bellini
Depression (punk band)
https://beat.com.au/depression/
Genocide (maybe) (another punk band)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusty_Hopkinson
Local identity Debbie Dinosaur who let Jenny and Dee dress up in her vintage '60s mod clothes one night:
https://2017.mpavilion.org/collaborator/debbie-nettleingham/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/3rrr/30498329763
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Content note: mention of EDs and weight
We catch up with Lily’s reading, Lady Chatterley’s Lover, SPOILERS obvs but it was published yonks ago, unbanned also yonks ago, so we don’t feel responsible for any spoiling.Other cultural touchstones mentioned:
Twilight – books and films
Harry Potter
The Smart-less Podcast and their interview with Kristen Stewart
The Jill’s pony books by Ruby Ferguson
Mortal Instruments series
Vampire Academy
True Blood
Dead Until Dark, the Charlene Harris series of books that True Blood based on
Buffy
And then there's:
How Stephenie Meyer was the first to deal with teen themes of love and romanceAmerican Sweethearts, Victoria as a tragic character
Southern Charm and the Lewis Ice Bag and mallet
We also talk about:
Parents who kiss their children on the lips a la the Beckhams, children and boundaries with body autonomy, why the world is obsessed with blondes and thinness?
An abrupt ending where Lily struggles to get out of her building and Jenny is left asking if she can hear… Bueller? Bueller?
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In this catch up, Lily dials in from Ortigia, Sicily to talk about having deliberate alone time, needing to find the balance between being with people and being on her own in a mindful way. There's also 2nd thoughts about going to London for the Henley Regatta and to see Britboy, along with lots of insights and learning. We talk about the perils of a long-distance thing (not even a r'elationship'), the feeling of being in limbo, and the art of detachment. The concept of 'leaving quietly'.
Do we need to have as many boundaries with ourselves as we do with others?
What would 25 dates in the shortest amount of time be like?
Why do we do this to ourselves?
We consider all the big questions here at MMBD.
Accounts that might be interesting to you:
The Daddy Academy
Sasha.withlove
TikTok tarots:
Danielle Ingenito
ALI's Tarot
Secret Tarot
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In this recent recording from last week, we chat about Lily's housesitting for 10 days in the wonderful English countryside. Horses fish birds vegies flowers summer heat and a feral cat, as well as a gorgeous Tudor house. Tudor, not 'Tudor-style'.
Lily also visits a historical house nearby, rambles the country lanes and picks blackberries from the bushes.
All very Thomas Hardy.
Warning: there is a seriously tortuous discussion towards the end about some kind of cowboy novel that we just can't think of. Listen at your own peril. It's quite Kafkian and probably very annoying.
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Content note: fat talk, food talk, beauty talk
In this episode, Lily learns what it means to have a bad fringe.Starting off, we have a Lily update and catch up where she’s at in the world, her filler/scar/fringe updates (see fringe pics on insta) and then move onto the diary reading from 5 December 1982.
Jenny’s life, she says, is ‘reading, writing, listening to music and going out’… pretty typical for most almost-nineteen year olds. She doesn’t really want a job in a shop or restaurant; she wants to ‘be creative’. Also, she is entering the guitar phase and in this episode purchases not one but two electric guitars. There’s more CB eyeballs, the continuing rise of ambition, going to the tennis (it is the Australian Open, despite Jenny thinking it wasn’t), cutting ‘little spikes’ in the top of her hair. The Volkswagon Beetle ‘needs a new valve’ and is going to get panel-beaten by a mechanic named Bruno.
On the live music front, Jenny sees Hugo Race in Plays with Marionettes at the Seaview Ballroom, calling Hugo ‘incredible’ and ‘a genius’. (Small segue here: Hugo Race also played with Nick Cave, and with Nick Barker who was Dee’s sister’s boyfriend at one stage! Hugo also had a small role in Dogs in Space, and a friend of Jenny’s from drama at college also had a small role. Connections!)
But back to the diaries. Jenny is annoyed by the gender stereotypes she identifies around her (though she doesn’t have that language to describe it). She goes to see the Great Rock ‘n’ Roll Swindle, sees Class of 1984 and buys the first electric guitar from ‘Shower Peter’ from the CB. A few days later, she buys some combat boots and a second guitar from ‘Anglesea Harry’. She’s reading Christiane F, still going to the Spaghetti Tree, spending $10 at the newsagents and drinking a whole bottle of claret on her own. Oh and there’s Midnight Oil at the Astor Theatre, a new t-shirt design, playing tennis on the road, going to the Aberdeen Hotel to see her fave boys No Nonsense, her dad Roger being kicked-out from where he’s living, reading Lord Edgware Dies (Ag. Christie) AND meeting Simon from Bristol at a party. Interesting.
Extra links:
Hugo Race piece in Overland, 2014https://overland.org.au/previous-issues/issue-216/feature-hugo-race/
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Content note: racially insensitive language, body and weight talk, food talk
And we're straight into reading: it’s 28 November 1982
J is working at St Kilda Road, on the general ledger
J and L still don’t know what a general ledger is so here’s a link from the people who know at Xero:
https://www.xero.com/au/glossary/general-ledger/
There’s more CB radio talk than there is accounting talk, thankfully. Jenny chats with a whole list of young men (YMs) on the rig, and has another eyeball in the local park, with Jeff (not a train guy). And younger sister Liz is talking to Brett on the radio too. There’s some parallel showering with Peter who sounds like a massive spunk, and also some talk with John, Tony Wombat One, Monique, Paul and train man George.
Monique and her boyfriend come over to the house, and Jenny gets tracked down by spunk Peter in his white panel van (or maybe Monique’s boyfriend gave him the address??).
Jenny is reading Orwell’s 1984, going to the tennis at Kooyong, getting a sunburned face and watching the last Nightmoves for 1982. She manages to finally do the Leunig t-shirt and goes to the party in Box Hill where she sees the Bad Bros and chats with Vincent, the Zap courier who she quite likes. There’s ‘another anarchist poem’ and Lily tells Jenny that she’s like ‘every 20 year old boy I’ve always hated’ because of her propensity to talk about Pink Floyd’s The Wall.
Jenny has thoughts around sex: ‘what’s the point?’ and tips into an existential angst spiral, and revisits her desire to ‘be special’ and ‘be famous’.
In non-1982 chat, we talk about the Nickolodeon doco Quiet on Set, the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City and Vanderpump Rules.
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It’s 24 November 1982 and there were all types of spaghetti restaurants: Tree, Theatre and Graffiti!
We go to the Seaview Ballroom in St Kilda, to see Allniters, INXS, Soldiers of Fortune and No Nonsense.
We have more sunburn, more disillusionment with uni, more thinking and more existential angst. There’s a bad poem: Do Something, a party upcoming in Box Hill and an English guy at The Ballroom tells Jenny she looks like Janice Joplin. Jenny isn’t sure this is a flattering comparison, but Lily says she’s had a few people tell her she looks like JOHN TRAVOLTA and then Jenny says that when she met Lily’s dad he used the name John and said that people said HE looked like JT as well!
Jenny earns $18 at Roger’s work and buys two Juke magazines. She does three Johnny Rotten sketches, we hear more about the Osborne computer and the acoustic coupler. Meanwhile in Turkey, Lily saves a drowning beetle and we reminisce about the AA Milne poem Forgiven, about Alexander the beetle.
We hear about Jenny putting off looking for a part-time job, and stunningly she writes: ‘I find things of the past losing value eg Adam’ !!!
But nevertheless, life goes on. At the Central Club Richmond, to see more bands, developing a ripe smoker’s cough and getting told by a skinhead to ‘cheer up. Life’s not that bad!’ Reading Indecent Obsession (Colleen McCullough), seeing New Order (‘boring’) and The Saints (‘less so but not fab’) for $8 at the Ballroom, seeing the Bad Bros at the gig, along with stepsister who tells Jenny about Roger being kicked out. ‘At least three other women involved’ doesn’t sound very good.
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** Content warning: brief mention of self harm/cutting
This is part 1 of this recording session; next episode publishes in two weeksHave you ever wondered what a 6-hour Whatsapp chat must be like? Join us for a taster!
In this episode, Jenny learns more about Lily’s beauty treatments in the South of Turkey, and you're along for the ride. Nails! Hair! Face fillers!We catch up with Lily's movements since we last recorded, and about how she also reverts to ‘child role’ when in a domestic space with her father. She’s made an emergency flight to Antalya, then to where her father lives in Kas to drop off her winter stuff, extra suitcases and pack for European summer.
Then it’s some chat about J’s wedding anniversary, and then MORE chat about suitcases, packing, the 4:4:2:1 method which Lily avows she would never use (more like 12:12 or something like that!) Lily’s dad Ali called her a ‘fashion girl’ and Jenny says she’s been a fashion girl since she was four!
Then we get deep and Jenny talks about how important it is to say the thing, rather than keep the peace, suppress or self-censor. Especially as women we have to practise saying the thing, and the sooner we can learn to do so, the better for us.
Lily takes Jenny into the laundry (and Jenny sees one of her delicates bags – she did give Lily permission to take it but only realised the other day that Lily left behind one with a broken zip…)
We end the chat just about to read. Part 2 next time.
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We jump right into the reading as this is essentially part 2 of the last episode where we used up all the time just chatting as we are wont to do
We hear more about the CB radio and Jenny’s addiction to it (there's a 'big fight' with brother Jim because he won’t let her use ‘the rig’. Lily laughs about Jenny using the term ‘the rig’ and rightly so because it’s very 1970s CQ CQ Rubber Ducky trucker talk. But the thing is, Jenny is chatting to Brian and George, local station masters and then in this episode, even organises an ‘eyeball’ (face-to-face meeting) at the Camberwell Hotel. But before that, she goes to a gig at The Sentimental Bloke in Bulleen because her new fave ska band No Nonsense are playing (it’s only incidental that Jenny and Dee stay for the headline act: INXS.)
They stand right up the front at the stage, which is only about hip high. No Nonsense are great as usual, and then INXS also good, the highlight being Jenny salvaging a guitar pick (asking a bouncer to get it for her) and Michael Hutchence grabbing Dee’s hat off her head and wearing it for a song (not mentioned in the reading; but has come back from the memory storage facility since recording this episode!) Jenny reads about getting an empty Carlton Draught beer can that Michael drank from at the Uni Beach Ball and sticking it up in the corner of her bedroom as a trophy, where she could look at it (and the guitar pick) from the top bunk.
After the gig, Jenny and Dee sit outside and start chatting to a guy (‘really good friends of No Nonsense’ ‘went on the tour with them and Strange Tenants to Sydney’) and he gives them the lead singer’s phone number!
And there's more: dreams (with teeth falling out); and she still doesn’t have the Hobby Tex paint. Jenny recounts her delulu efforts at being a copy writer, and we talk about whether delusion is necessary for anything creative to get done, and also how you can lose the juice by talking about something too much.
And now, the eyeball with the train men George and Brian. ‘Brian is funny’ and it seems Jenny might like him, but then she and Dee burn off to The Venetian Room ($5 admission) in the VW Beetle to see No Nonsense who are doing their second gig of the night after supporting INXS (again) at Bombay Rock. ‘We are gradually establishing ourselves with the people surrounding the group.’ Lily asks Jenny why she didn’t become a groupie and Jenny says probably because she was still a virgin.
We also hear the first mention of smoking: ‘I’m smoking too much. Ten last night and ten tonight.’ As well as more about t-shirt designs (a really big ‘NO’ and a really small ‘Nonsense’ underneath…)
Jenny’s still re-reading The Wolf and the Dove; she goes to a cast party for Godspell and deems it ‘boring’; then heads out to dinner with the family to Spaghetti Graffiti and ‘sulked most of the night’.
There you have it. More gigs. More t-shirt ideas. More crushes. More wonderful goings on, from November 1982. Enjoy!
Links:
Sid Vicious singing My Wayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDyb_alTkMQ
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*** Apologies for Lily's sound quality here ***
This episode we’re dealing with the tyranny of distance, struggling to find time to record. The solution? Split the episode in two which means in this ep you get quite a bit of chat, with a Lily Paris update and then some TV talk.We hear about the perils of a matte black kitchen, what happened to Lily’s head in Thailand, and something about homesickness (short lived!) How meeting people while travelling is almost the best part, and a consideration of Paris v London.
Then it’s onto the Beverly Hills Housewives recent season’s 3-part reunion, as well as Baby Reindeer, and a bit more on the Bravo-verse with mentions of VPR and Winter House. If you don’t know, you maybe don’t wanna.
Spoilers obvs.
Finishing with how NOT to open a bottle of bubbles with a sabre, and the associated risks of being a ‘yes’ person.
We finish just as we get to the reading, sozzles. But we never said we’d be consistent or reliable. We just need to keep getting the episodes OUT.
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We’re off and running, following on from the previous episode with no intro! And it’s doubly exciting because it’s the beginning of Volume 4! In this episode we cover a lot of ground, in the readings and in the in between bits (IBBs, aka the chat). Jenny skips most of the dreams, Lily says ‘great’. It’s ten days until exams but Jenny’s got other things on her mind: how to pin the tuxedo pants, how to acquire more t-shirts, how to have someone famous love her and how to open a shop (t-shirts naturally!) Oh, and she also wants to get ‘Luigi Vercotti’ sunglasses. A quick Google reveals who that is – a Monty Python character. There’s a long list of what she’d like to put ON the t-shirts as well as a long list under ‘please don’t sue us’ at the end of the episode, including short men, activists, Barnaby Joyce, Kanye, anyone who wears Kanye’s sock-pods, George Orwell people (again!), any literary prizes, the Bronte estate, the Jane Austen society and ‘scarf women’.
And in case you think Jenny from nice-girl Ashburton can’t effect an east-end Cockney accent in her diary entries, think again! ‘F***ing ‘orrible it was’ and ‘wot will I do wiv meself?’ Meanwhile, Lily adds ‘radio announcer’ to her delulu list of jobs she thinks she could do (remember actor? F1 driver??) We talk about humour and how sometimes it’s the only thing the powerless have to subvert authority, and we get scathing about B Joyce and how women are never treated so gently when they fall from public grace (Jenny does feel a little sorry for him, if it’s a substance issue). We chat about Gaza – finally, we go there – and Jenny says she thinks she might be self-sabotaging re the exams. If she doesn’t try then that can be the excuse for failing, some sound logic there!
We decide our brand is ‘we don’t know anything but we can Google in real time’ and also usher in the CB radio era, where Jenny talks to Peter, Fred from Mildura who may or may not be very short, and finish up on Taylor Swift getting the Kelce ick in real time, and indulge in some light conspiracy theories. Enjoy!
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Yes, you read the above correctly, we are moving onto volume 4 BUT in this 50+ minute episode we literally only manage less than ten seconds actually reading the diary. The rest will be in episode 5, sorry about that Chief!
So what you will actually hear in this ep is stuff like:
Lily's struggles to dye her hair; my struggles with ancestry.com; how Lily will be a Mac (Apple) girl forever because of Air Drop; the approach of Lily's 10-year school reunion; a bit of Jenny's grey hair history; the Turkish hatred of a draft; how Jenny finished WIFEDOM and more of our thoughts; Lily's Jane Austen binge (her fave is Persuasion, but she also thinks Mr Knightley in Emma 'is such a vibe'. We cover TV (One Day) and film (May-December) and start reading the diary at 53:29 and there's no time left!
Correction: not Erdogan's wife with the sky-high heels that the Queen was bemused by, but the former President Abdullah Gul's wife.
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We're approaching the end of 1st year uni and ALSO the end of Volume 3!! With around 30 volumes to go we aren’t in danger of running out of material any time soon.
In this episode Lily shows her ‘scathe’ for Johnny Rotten’s somewhat naïve, 1980s punk philosophy while Jenny’s feeling sorry for a character on ‘80s soap Sons and Daughters. Jenny’s also determined to lay a good foundation for the skin cancer that will rear its ugly head in a few decades time (don’t worry chaps; nothing too serious!)
‘I want to learn tap dancing’ is the latest thing on Jenny’s mind, along with thin thigh exercises and her very important end-of-year history essays and upcoming exams. The other thing is the designs for ‘big t-shirts’ and Sweaty Weather, which she goes to see AGAIN. She’s looking for a housekeeper/nanny job and applies for one in Sarth Yarrah, is thinking about a perm – spoiler it doesn’t happen. She buys a ‘Camberwell Bowling Hat’, 4 pairs of white socks, one ‘fab’ pair of men’s striped PJs and a pair of men’s braces at an op shop and reckons she’s getting a ‘bit browner’. She also gets her dad’s dinner suit and plans to pin the pants into jodhpurs.
There’s also: Amityville Horror, The ‘Mattress’ Circle, Swing Time w/ Fred and Ginger (hence the tap-dancing dream), the Chieftains (Irish band along with a Sinead O’Connor cameo), Madness, Le Joke, Strange Tenants, Altamount, a ska night at The Astor Theatre, the first time seeing No Nonsense (ska band), studying all night for the psych exam (ran out of time, did we Jenny?), seeing Jubilee for the FIFTH TIME (along with Emmanuel, lol, must’ve been the dodgy downstairs ‘art’ cinema again). There’s also Mick Jagger in Performance (‘weird’) and The Man Who Fell to Earth (‘even weirder but good’.)
We hope you enjoy episode 3, which definitely serves the tanning, the music, the films and a little bit of study. And the end of Vol 3!
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