Episodi
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This is my first time recording the episode very, very close to nature. As a nature lover and a scout during my high school days, camping is one of the most common activities we would do and being outdoors just makes sense to me. But not to many kids and parents.
GreenLife Project is a green project started by TuMa, whom unfortunately wasn’t available on the recording day, with the ultimate mission of living simply with nature and contributing back in whatever ways she can. A near-death experience led TuMa to realize the importance of living life simply. Speaking with her assistant, Jia Yie helped me realize that living simply is something we all think we can do, but when it means you have to leave every single piece of item in your possession to be free in nature again, many would doubt the decision.
Seeing the positive feedback from this project comforts me a lot, mainly because it is unusual to see nowadays that kids are enjoying being outdoors and in the sun. Without too much of a capitalist’s vision, I hope that this mission goes on so more kids get to play with nature without the worries of tomorrow.
Timeline:
[00:00] What is GreenLife project?
[04:12] The origin of TuMaWu
[05:54] What was Jia Yie’s upbringing like?
[07:50] Core mission of GreenLife project for the kids
[13:29] Simple Giving, Simple Living, Simple Life
[16:10] Balancing the need for traditional and modern education
[18:23] Turns out kids are smarter when they are with nature
[21:22] Kids at Green Education
[24:30] Day in a life at GreenLife camp
[25:22] How Jia Yie calms crying kids at camps
[26:40] How GreenLife project teaches kids not to be afraid of failures
[30:42] Her own encounter of failures
[33:17] Her one failure that taught her how to run this sustainable business
[38:23] Day 2 of the camp
[47:15] The rewarding parts of being a GreenPro mentor
[49:50] How she responds to “Nature is not the best educator”
[54:30] Parents are not allowed to visit
[57:48] Do mentors/volunteers have certifications?
[01:01:07] How do they ensure financial sustainability operating as a non-profit?
[01:05:48] Plans to scale up GreenLife project
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More information on GreenLife project:
https://m.facebook.com/GLP630/
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As someone who has family members diagnosed with cancer, I am deeply concerned about this topic. For whatever reason, the idea of sticking to a healthy diet, having a fixed sleep routine and working out to keep my joints and muscles active have appealed largely in the past year for me. 10 months have passed, I’m not entirely sure about the results, and talking to a dietician/nutritionist is the only way to find out if I have been eating healthy.
There have been noises about sugar feeding cancer cells and I want to find out if it is the truth. In fact, there is a twist to this. Also, why do cancer patients lose weight during their treatment? How can we help them increase their food intake to a regular level? Can they eat anything and everything? What about anti-cancer diets? Do they exist?
Join me as I speak to Jing Wen, a nutritionist in Singapore, working for a non-profit cancer nutrition center, who happens to know what a cancer fighter should eat. If you stay longer, I also showed her my medical health report to see if I’m really healthy.
Timeline:
[00:00] What does she do and why does she do what she does
[01:45] I thought everyone should have the same diet, why customize?
[04:18] Do cancer fighters change their diet overnight?
[06:44] The difference between the advice given from a dietitian/nutritionist and a medical doctor
[09:37] Healthy grocery shopping with the healthy choice label and nutrigrade labels
[14:20] 3-in-1 coffee in Singapore is healthier than in Malaysia?
[17:38] Nutrigrade labels - is this referring to the sugar content only?
[22:39] Can we tell if we are at risk of cancer by looking at these numbers?
[25:31] How often should we get screened for cancer?
[28:01] Should we get screened multiple times at once to avoid false positives?
[29:26] Who are some of the people that consult her for diet advice except cancer fighters?
[31:02] The things she tells cancer fighters BEFORE the treatment?
[32:24] What about DURING the treatment?
[35:40] Maintaining the BMI throughout the treatment
[38:08] So she says we can eat anything during the treatment…
[40:41] Changing our diet going into the treatment to increase our blood cell count
[43:23] Tackling nausea and vomiting during treatment
[47:55] What to do about declining weight during the treatment?
[51:12] Anti-cancer diets
[54:04] Keep them happy or healthy during treatment?
[55:57] Post-treatment diet/nutrition
[57:03] What happens if the cancer fighters have diabetes too?
[57:43] Is my diet risk-free of cancer?
[01:02:59] Any signs of over intake of protein?
[01:03:37] My health lab report
[01:07:24] Misconceptions about cancer nutrition
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When I first heard of this new startup which has only been around for 8 months since the start of 2024, I had a lot of skepticism. Particularly, the way it solves the plastic problem because it actually introduces more plastic into the ecosystem. Sure, they could have introduced another material and still call it a green company, but I think the problem of single-use plastics is still there. The idea and concept of single use.
I get it, because it’s so convenient and far too much time saved if we just dispose of our containers and utensils after every meal. I am guilty of this too. The idea of introducing reusable plastics is not new and novel, but the logistics of having it in every corner we visit might just make it work. I see there is a huge hurdle for the team at OPack to encourage the switch to reusable plastic, or any other material in that context, but having collaborated with companies and event organizers, they are on track to make an impact never before seen in Malaysia.
But should there be a punish/reward system for this to be successful? I’ll let you make the verdict after you finish the episode.
Timeline:
[00:00] What does OPack do?
[02:34] Measuring her own plastic usage
[04:58] The feedback she got about her business idea
[06:07] How eco-friendly is the process of making her plastic products?
[11:30] The reason biodegradables are not on her list
[15:21] Green-washing and the reason why recycling rate is low in Malaysia
[18:35] Isn’t OPack producing more plastics?
[21:38] Aren’t there already reusable plastics?
[23:42] Partners of OPack
[25:42] Missing out on the consumer market
[30:53] Rental rate = Amount of single-use plastic avoided
[34:35] Is it already a profitable business?
[36:19] The pilot projects that kicked off OPack
[38:54] The single hardest part of running the business
[40:20] Large corporations still prefer single-use plastics due to the low cost of logistics
[43:27] Are deposit systems the best way to increase the rental rate?
[45:22] Why aren’t there more companies doing what OPack does?
[46:43] Can technology step in to help?
[49:11] CSR and ESG of companies matter to OPack
[54:58] She wanted to stop doing this back in 2022
[01:00:03] Her motivation to keep doing this
[01:01:05] Her day-to-day routine as a founder
[01:03:58] The last happiest moment for OPack
[01:05:55] Short-term goals for OPack
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I’ve known Xin Hui since young and witnessing this journey of her life is just heartwarming. It takes not only courage but also strategic thinking, commitment and the undying fire in her to start Tiny Pockets, an online bakery business during the Covid period. Many would have said it was easy to start back then, but it is a whole different story to persist till today.
Xin Hui’s unique approach to her bakery business has made her one of the successful women I know today, all while having a side gig of modeling. She knows she can’t satisfy all the taste buds in the world, but as long as she enjoys her own tarts and cookies, she’s willing to sell them. Keeping the desserts fresh and off the artificial ingredients is also one of her unique selling points, and as one of her customers, I can attest to that.
Rainy days are ahead and as we talk about Tiny Pockets’ success story, buckle up as we listen to her plans moving forward getting ready for a tough market.
Timeline:
[00:00] How she started her online bakery business
[09:46] Her dream team
[11:11] There was a Butter Pockets before
[16:52] If you are lost in life, check your resume
[21:14] How Tiny Pockets came about
[23:11] The typical ingredients in pastry and desserts
[25:48] She can’t please everyone’s taste buds
[28:52] Quality checks
[32:32] Baking is easier to fail than cooking
[34:49] Logistical challenges running an online bakery business
[38:26] The different trends running the business
[45:06] A myriad of taste in her products
[48:04] Her top three best-sellers
[49:08] Baking for corporate events and individual customers
[49:57] Handling deadlines for customers
[53:17] Her bakery team
[54:33] Handling everything alone and burnout
[58:11] A major setback
[01:08:14] Does she still love baking?
[01:15:00] The most important skill for a business owner
[01:21:52] Rebranding Tiny Pockets
[01:24:21] The brand origin story
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The story that you are going to hear is a story that reminded me of how lucky I am today in terms of what I have and what I do. That is a luxury some of these Bajau people will never get to enjoy because of the environment they grow up in. But Zul vows to help lift them out of poverty and provide proper education to them. In fact, he and his team have set up a 10-year plan to, quoting his own words, help these people reach the level of underprivileged people in Singapore because that level is also a luxury to have.
Zul, a go-getter all his life, suddenly puts behind his current life and pushes forward to help these kids at a beautiful island on the east side of Malaysia, called Semporna. Anyone visiting would drop their jaws upon the sight of the sea and beaches. But little does anyone know about the dark side of this place where many social problems tend to linger around for many years…
Join me and Zul as we understand what goes on truly on this side of the island.
Timeline:
[00:00] Why is he into volunteering?
[01:29] The dark side of Semporna
[04:59] From thinking of building a business to volunteering
[10:48] Lifestyle changes for him and his family
[13:54] What did his wife think about this?
[16:54] HUGS project
[20:06] Sea gypsies and homeless kids
[23:23] These Bajau people are not what tourists portray them to be
[27:38] Bajau people are good fishermen
[28:47] You’d never expect this from the Bajau people
[31:39] What if they learnt to beg for more?
[38:00] Would they beg for education had their basic necessities been secured?
[40:53] The progress in volunteering so far
[44:06] They rely on generators on islands
[45:18] What about pirates and the dangerous stuff?
[48:20] Why is there tension between the Bajau Darat and Bajau Laut people?
[49:42] Resisting donations
[50:26] Culture first, then progress
[57:37] Bad exploitations
[01:03:45] How can one start volunteering?
[01:04:39] Glue sniffing problem
[01:16:50] The need for volunteering
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Listening to Stephen’s journey of starting his business helped me gain a tremendous amount of insight into a founder’s mind as we all try to grasp what actually goes on in one. The startup founders we know from the Silicon Valley may be raking in millions of dollars while delivering superb value to customers, FireJet is a business from which Stephen and his co-founder stumbled upon a problem while building a website for a client and started a company. The solution may be simple on the outside, but the journey is never easy.
Among all the effort they have put in for the company and product, one of the amazing feats was the application to Y Combinator, a US-based startup accelerator. They got through to the interview stage and like many others who failed, they were given the reason why they were not picked. I liken this conversation to one of the best that I’ve put out because of the lessons I took away from Stephen as a startup founder. If you are launching your product or scaling up your team, you must not miss this conversation. Give it a listen, I assure you there will be a ton of interesting information.
Timeline:
[00:00] Why is his company called FireJet?
[02:36] What does FireJet do?
[03:30] How was the idea born?
[05:15] The rise of no-code tools
[07:19] Who are FireJet’s customers?
[08:30] How important are websites to companies these days?
[10:49] What was the MVP like in the early days?
[12:40] It could have been just an API instead of a company
[18:05] His first paying customer
[21:25] His product is entirely reliant on this company
[24:18] Applying to Y Combinator
[25:53] How to apply to Y Combinator
[27:36] Getting rejected multiple times
[28:50] Questions from Y Combinator
[30:31] Why were they actually rejected?
[32:06] A quick YC mock interview
[36:41] The underlying problems of his product
[39:31] The 80/20 rule
[41:41] Experiments from the company
[46:04] How to build a company?
[49:49] In terms of hiring
[52:28] Co-founder partnership
[55:57] What is his daily routine like running a startup?
[58:08] The team is the best product you’ll ever build
[01:01:28] How long is the runway for his company?
[01:02:33] Can AI solve the code quality problem?
[01:03:21] The core feature of his product
[01:09:13] Build things people ask for
[01:10:39] The goal for the company
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I, for one, couldn’t stand the idea of listening to just one side of the story when Sha came onto the show and talked about her entrepreneurial journey with Isya. I had to get Isya on. Just like I thought, their stories are aligned! One would be extra motivated listening to both their stories of how they set out to start a business of their own. One would be even deeply touched to hear how they stood for each other during bad times.
But speaking to Isya was more than about her journey, it was because of one lesson Sha made sure I learnt, which was to get yourself a contract when in business. Isya taught her this. If you are starting your own business, Isya couldn’t stress enough how important contracts are, not to deceive, but to protect all parties involved. This is just the kind of conversation I yearn for when I start out on a journey of entrepreneurship.
Timeline:
[00:00] Isya’s current phase of life
[01:55] What took her so long to get her law degree?
[04:46] The difference between the paralegal and the legal industry
[05:39] What is contractual law?
[07:33] Why she does what she does
[12:41] How she felt leaving her job
[14:02] How her partnership with Sha kicked off
[17:58] How they got customers together
[20:10] How Isya likes the self-employment journey
[23:50] The childhood cause that made her jump into entrepreneurship
[28:46] The two biggest traits to have for an entrepreneur
[32:47] How her parents supported her
[35:28] Who gets the most say? Isya or Sha?
[37:56] Surely Isya saw the need to bring in a third decision-maker
[39:15] Sha still got her pay when she was ill. Why?
[41:12] The toughest part of the journey
[46:12] From business partners to friends, or the other way round?
[48:10] Things to know when starting a business
[51:26] Do we really need a lawyer?
[53:52] Her advice to someone starting a business
[55:46] Her financial runway
[57:58] Current distractions in life
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I first met Daren at Google Singapore back in 2019 and he was already a great storyteller. Never would I have imagined that he would become a creator on the sister company of Google, YouTube and I was one of the early audiences watching his videos for investment advice and car reviews. Not that I would buy a car in Singapore.
He has since posted consistently for 3 years and has grown a substantial number on his platform. The amazing thing about this conversation? Having sat down in his Tesla Model 3 for the conversation in camp mode which no other internal combustion engine vehicles could do! Though a short one, the conversation goes directly into the space of social media and content creation and why he does what he does. Fun fact: Since we are both in the automotive industry, we talked a little about the industry!
Timeline:
[00:00] The transition from a Googler to a YouTuber
[01:49] When did he start YouTube?
[02:53] The transferable skills from Google
[03:39] Managing the business side and creative side of his YouTube channel
[06:48] Advice to someone starting a YouTube channel
[10:06] How he handles negative feedback
[13:29] Was there someone for him to look up to when he started out?
[14:41] The rise of BYD
[16:38] The lessons he learnt after reviewing so many cars
[20:50] EV sales have slowed down
[23:42] What do his viewers say about his content?
[25:16] Teslacon
[26:20] What he loves about his Tesla Model 3
[29:22] This is what he would do if he were to enter the social media game again
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When we first met, Ashvin was telling me about his recent trip to Alaska on a cruise. Little did I know he runs a bar business and more shockingly, he was kicked out of school multiple times when he was younger. The days of being in school for him were more for entertainment. To him, some rules are never meant to be followed and he stood by his own opinions.
Today, he runs his family business, picking up the necessary skills needed to engage with customers because school didn’t teach him those. To me, it is not a message of skipping school and playing truant, but a message of knowing how to get to your goals. If schools don’t teach you great communication skills, you’d better find out by whatever means.
Timeline:
[00:00] The reason he switched many schools when he was younger
[02:44] He went to this boarding school in Johor Bahru
[03:58] He didn’t think a boarding school would have these
[06:54] He switched school at 16, again
[09:44] He needed to get his education sorted, or else…
[13:03] Rules are not for him obviously
[18:17] He did follow one rule though
[23:31] Kids should have fun
[27:37] What is the best system for him then?
[29:02] On how kids these days only want to be a YouTuber
[30:32] Unless you have a running business, go get a college degree
[33:14] He doesn’t need a degree to run the business he’s running
[37:51] You need to know what you don’t like
[40:29] He was a funny fat boy
[43:13] He ate fries to cut weight
[47:32] The beginning wasn’t the hardest point in his weight loss journey
[49:49] The first bite of eating fast food
[54:45] The support system throughout his weight loss journey
[01:00:03] Proof he commits to his goal 100%
[01:02:15] Juggling between his family business and school
[01:06:25] What happens between 7pm and 1am
[01:09:45] Smelling salts
[01:10:45] Handling his bar staff
[01:12:59] To anyone who wants to open a bar
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The more I dive into how other people keep to a fitness routine, the more interesting insights I uncover. A simple conversation with Noel revealed how I am lacking a proper program for essential strength training that will actually help me get bigger. As simple as a 4-week program, it includes a deload week to ensure we don’t drive ourselves to the point of fatigue.
Listen on as I discuss the unhealthy beauty standards for men and how all of us should listen to our body when we hit the gym. Concepts like autoregulation tend to help our body adjust our load based on how we are performing during a workout, but how does it affect our ultimate goal of getting stronger and bigger?
Timeline:
[00:00] Why Noel started working out
[06:56] Is it healthy to chase after a good look by weightlifting?
[12:09] This is why you should listen to your body more often
[16:29] Unhealthy beauty standards for men
[23:34] Measuring one’s progress in strength training is not what you think is like
[29:08] His 4-week strength training program
[35:01] Principles or framework weightlifters follow to get big
[38:34] Autoregulation of our body
[43:32] Recovery techniques you should know
[45:24] The importance of stretching before lifting
[48:17] Strength training for a person with a 9-5 job
[50:16] What about cardio?
[53:06] Has he reached his peak in terms of body shape and size?
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Shen Yi and Ameerul are both brilliant dieticians who clearly know what they are doing. If there is one thing that I learnt from them, it is that healthy means differently to everyone. However, outside of that definition, they are strict that one should consume food with the right portion. I'm not sure how other dieticians would advise their clients, but I'm glad to have learnt dieting the right way.
If you didn't know about them, check out their website here to see what service they provide!
https://myfindiet.com/
Or head to the full conversation to learn what I learnt: https://open.spotify.com/episode/1J4fcrjwCIeDIWc7LdqoCc?si=IV_Il7XdQVO8shqVTexDJQ
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Aside from keto diet, many women practice intermittent fasting because they want to get into the "best" shape of their body. To fully grasp the idea of intermittent fasting, it does not mean we can eat anything or everything when it comes time to feast. The 16-8 fasting framework is still one of the popular frameworks for guiding how to fast, but managing your portion of food intake is equally as important.
Listen to the full conversation to find out how: https://open.spotify.com/episode/1J4fcrjwCIeDIWc7LdqoCc?si=IV_Il7XdQVO8shqVTexDJQ
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Did you know ketogenic diets were originally designed mainly for children with epilepsy? Keto diets are also now for people with diabetes and heart diseases but not for people having problems with their pancreas, liver or thyroid.
I've heard many around me practicing keto diet not fully grasping the benefits and impacts to their health, both mentally and physically. It will only invoke a push factor for them to lay back on to their previous unhealthy diet.
If we are to create a healthy diet, start by analyzing and tracking our food intake.
Listen to the full episode on how: https://open.spotify.com/episode/1J4fcrjwCIeDIWc7LdqoCc?si=IV_Il7XdQVO8shqVTexDJQ
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Our diet these days seems to rely on whether we have time in our busy daily schedule for a proper meal plan. Cheap food and quick service restaurants make it almost impossible for us to follow a strict and healthy diet. With family members having health issues, I can’t help but want to understand the definition of a healthy diet and how we can achieve it, for my family and myself. In this episode, I speak to two dieticians about my daily meals and see if there’s anything I should fix.
On top of that, diet buzzwords like keto diet and intermittent fasting seem to have taken the world of gym-goers by storm. But do we really know what they are and what they do to our body? It is almost not an option to choose health and fitness but a mandatory one if we want to live and perform our best, and the only way to do that is to talk about it, at least to health professionals and experts.
Join me as I speak with Shen Yi and Ameerul from MyFindiet from Malaysia on the topics above. If you are interested in getting a diet program, definitely check them out!
MyFindiet
Website: https://myfindiet.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/myfindiet/
Timeline:
[00:00] The MyFindiet program
[07:55] Is it okay to consult young and inexperienced dieticians
[10:43] What about the diet of a dietician?
[16:30] Is a ketogenic (keto) diet actually healthy?
[21:12] What happens to our body when carbohydrates are replaced with fats?
[23:29] Effects on insulin sensitivity
[25:14] LDL and HDL cholesterol
[30:21] Different versions of keto diet
[31:09] Are keto diets suitable for a person with a 9-5 job?
[32:28] Gym-goers with their keto diet addiction
[33:42] Exposing my diet and gym routine
[42:03] Can you gain muscle and lose fat at the same time?
[46:14] How should one track their health and food intake
[49:31] If there is one thing I should change about my diet
[53:59] What about intermittent fasting?
[57:53] The 16-8 fasting framework
[59:19] What happens to our body when we fast?
[01:02:03] These people should not practice intermittent fasting
[01:04:41] The way to measure calorie loss
[01:06:57] What can diabetic patients eat?
[01:16:43] Side effects of diabetic pills
[01:09:10] Jenis, Jumlah dan Jadual in diabetes management
[01:22:14] What about fatty foods for diabetes patients?
[01:24:28] The all-around meal everyone should be eating
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After touring a few of the properties in KL, we sat down in a cafe and Ganesha told me to look up this apartment called Kudalari Apartment. Full of curiosity, I typed in the name and hit enter. On the map, this apartment sits right smack in the middle of KL, right next to KLCC, the iconic twin towers in the city.
When it was built, KLCC did not exist. Today, we can imagine the rent or even sale price of the apartment. This is the type of property we want to go for - the type where the development is coming towards.
Listen to the entire conversation to understand better: https://open.spotify.com/episode/3XuWWUeqNcUMAc6tnLFXlh?si=zv8lhtikTcKObwhJ1pQoMA
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Ganesha was supposed to take me to a property he think is non-investable. For many reasons, that property is a bad purchase if one is aiming to invest for profit. Long story short, we didn't make it to the property.
But we have Ganesha on the podcast to tell us what it means to invest in a non-investable property. When I heard it, though short and simple, the advice applies to many other areas in life when it comes to money.
Listen to the full conversation if you are looking to invest in properties: https://open.spotify.com/episode/3XuWWUeqNcUMAc6tnLFXlh?si=zv8lhtikTcKObwhJ1pQoMA
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When Ganesha first told me about the different tier areas in Kuala Lumpur, a city so close to me and a city I grew up in, I wanted to know what the different tier areas mean. Trust me, you have to see it for yourself because if you are in the market for a new home or a rental property, this is the prime piece of information you cannot afford to miss. Knowing the different tiers means you have the upper hand to select the right investment and cash in within your capability. Doing this also means you will be able to cash out with a big fat satisfiable sum later on.
Follow along the journey with me and Ganesha as we discuss what we saw when Ganesha took me on a tour around KL.
Timeline:
[00:00] Is buying a property in Tier 2 areas the key to a successful purchase?
[03:40] The direction of development in KL
[05:29] An example of non-investable property
[12:03] The story of Kudalari Apartment
[15:27] How to find the median price of properties in an area?
[19:03] Can you assess the property based on the residents/tenants ratio?
[21:21] Segambut - Scrap Yards around a new development
[25:35] Negotiating prices on sub sale properties
[29:15] The actual steps to purchasing a home
[33:07] Legal processes of the purchase
[34:55] Fees you should be aware of
[38:23] First Home Buyers’ Scheme
[40:14] Development of Tuan 3 Heritage
[42:02] Checking for defects and damages
[43:25] Don’t bulk book the same defect checker
[44:29] The insane selling rate of Tuan 3 Heritage development
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It is not entrepreneurship if there isn't any hardship along the journey. For Sha, a podcast hosted by three ladies quickly brewed into something they never would have expected. But Sha kind of saw it coming. She knew the importance of having contracts between the three of them in order to protect themselves.
And I think by reading this you would know what had caused the fallout.
Listen to the entire conversation to grasp the importance of having contracts when you first start running a business: https://open.spotify.com/episode/5c4BEVO9Om6rf1GoxaanV2?si=1gagwVV1RziwAh9Oe1YLDQ
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When the wave of podcasting hit Singapore shores, Sha was totally not adamant about the idea of riding it. Her relentless entrepreneurial spirit helped her brave through the ups and downs of the businesses and she knew pivoting was essential at one point.
Say What SG is a podcast based in Singapore and she has her own fair share of guests who talk about life's lessons in a touching way that anyone can walk away having learnt something new. I respect that a lot.
Listen to the full episode here: https://open.spotify.com/episode/5c4BEVO9Om6rf1GoxaanV2?si=1gagwVV1RziwAh9Oe1YLDQ
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One thing I learnt from this conversation is that our friends may not be the best business partners, but business partners can turn out to be the best friends in our lives.
Sha and her business partner made this sound simple when her business partner decided to step in and hold the fort for her when she was ill.
Listen to the entire episode on how the business relationship blossomed into a friendship of lifetime: https://open.spotify.com/episode/5c4BEVO9Om6rf1GoxaanV2?si=1gagwVV1RziwAh9Oe1YLDQ
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