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  • How to engage frontline workers? When the shop floor is seen as a partner in transformation, amazing results ensue. This bonus episode builds on the experience of Luis Maldonado, who works on the shopfloor in a US vaccine manufacturing facility, and Lavanya Madhuri Sethu, whose Quality Assurance work in India involves interacting with the shopfloor. So much to learn from these two change leaders!


    See the show notes on my website for quotes, more info and links. 


    Connect with Luis Maldonado and Lavanya Madhuri Sethu on LinkedIn


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  • How does community engagement serve our human needs, improve organizations and transform leadership? Author Peter Block has long been exploring relationships that enable collective action. In this moving conversation, he answers my questions around community building at work, (un)leadership, and about the opportunity we all have to get involved in creating together the future we want.


    See the show notes on my website for quotes, more info and links. 


    More about Peter:

    Learn about Peter Block on his Wikipedia page

    Find out more on Peter’s website PeterBlock.com

    Get in touch with Designed Learning, Inc. They offer training and consulting in Flawless Consulting and Community: The Structure of Belonging or Leader as Convener.

    Read/listen to Community: The Structure of Belonging by Peter Block. It is available as an audiobook 

    Watch Peter Block speak about the Six Conversations that matter to build community among citizens

    Watch this 2018 Weaving Influence webinar about Community with Peter Block

    Read any book by Peter Block, you won’t waste your time :)


    Curious to use these ideas in your work? Get in touch with me!

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  • Strategize change from a social movement perspective: Helen Bevan’s approach to health and care improvement at the NHS UK has inspired me and many other change agents greatly across the world. An advocate for new power, agency and connections, a mega-influencer and a generous knowledge curator on line, Helen describes in this episode her practice and how it has changed over the years.


    See the show notes on my website for quotes, more info and links.


    More about Helen:

    Watch Helen speak about Power for Change on YouTube

    Follow Helen Bevan on Twitter and LinkedIn

    Follow Helen’s cat Rolf on Twitter

    Sign up to the School for Change Agents 


    Curious to use these ideas in your work? Get in touch with me!

    Website weneedsocial.com/LinkedIn linkedin.com/in/celineschillingerInstagram instagram.com/dare_to_un_lead/Twitter twitter.com/CelineSchillMastodon https://mastodon.social/@CelineSchillYouTube youtube.com/c/CélineSCHILLINGER

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  • Good leadership turns random collectives into high-performing teams, by enabling trust and collaboration. Strategist, author and advisor Jennifer Sertl shares thoughts on how to develop a culture of chosen togetherness and humane performance at work, for we desperately need workplaces in which people can thrive. Purposeful workplaces with a soul, which we can be passionate about.


    See the show notes on my website for quotes, more info and links.


    More about Jennifer:


    Read Jennifer Sertl’s article “The usefulness of being human or intuition is our killer app” in Troublemakers: Trends & advice from nexxworks & friends about surviving and thriving in turbulent times (Nexxworks, Dec. 2022) 


    Watch Strategy, Leadership and the Soul on YouTube 


    Read Strategy, Leadership and the Soul: Resilience, Responsiveness and Reflection for a Global Economy - find it on Amazon 


    Connect with Jennifer on the Agility3R website, on Twitter @jennifersertl, by email and on Medium 


    Listen to the 360 Pulse Podcast and the ThinkBuildLaunch Podcast both hosted by Jennifer Sertl. 

    I was interviewed by Jennifer about Dare to Un-Lead in March 2023 here (Apple podcast) here (Podcaster) and here (YouTube)



    Curious to use these ideas in your work? Get in touch with me!

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  • So. many. workplace tools. For better work, really? Or mental overload, low productivity, disengagement? Sharon O'Dea has immersed herself in online communications since she was a teenager. Now an award-winning digital strategist and a powerful voice on effective communications, Sharon explains what it takes to foster effective collaboration and create an optimal employee experience. An experience that is enhanced, not ruined, by digital tools.


    See the show notes on my website for quotes, more info and links.


    More about Sharon:

    Learn about 300 Seconds – Sharon’s initiative in favor of public speaking skills in under-represented populations, to increase a diversity of perspectives in digital conferences

    Run the DWXS survey among your employees to collect their insights and improve your digital workplace

    Watch and learn more about Sharon in this conversation with Tom McCallum on WhatComesNext.Live

    Watch Sharon speak with Hanna Karppi about human-centred future of work (Camp Digital 2022)

    Read about Sharon’s views on AI here

    Connect with Lithos Partners

    Get in touch with Sharon O’Dea on her website and on Twitter and LinkedIn and Instagram


    Curious to use these ideas in your work? Get in touch with me!

    Website weneedsocial.com/LinkedIn linkedin.com/in/celineschillingerInstagram instagram.com/dare_to_un_lead/Twitter twitter.com/CelineSchillMastodon https://mastodon.social/@CelineSchillYouTube youtube.com/c/CélineSCHILLINGER



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  • Networks change how we work, lead and even think. Is hierarchy replaced by “wirearchy”? What new skills do we need to master? 25 years ago, Jon Husband was one of the first to perceive the transformational effect of networks on work and business; Harold Jarche envisioned that they require a new form of literacy. Leading figures of the "future of work," Jon and Harold discuss the implications of the networking phenomenon on our lives in the office and beyond.


    See the show notes on my website for quotes, more info and links.


    For more on Jon Husband and Harold Jarche:


    Read Jon Husband’s ebook Wirearchy - Sketches for the Future of Work (2015) 

    Watch Jon Husband’s talk at SocialNow Lisbon (2019): “Wirearchy: Strengthen Your Organisation by Creating Stronger Connections” 

    Read Harold Jarche’s Perpetual Beta e-book series and subscribe to his blog 

    Register for a Personal Knowledge Mastery (PKM) workshop hosted by Harold Jarche 

    Read the books & articles mentioned in our conversation, as well as Jane McConnell’s The Gig Mindset Advantage: Why a Bold New Breed of Employee Is Your Organization s Secret Weapon in Volatile Times (2021)  


    Connect with Jon Husband on Twitter and on LinkedIn  

    Connect with Harold Jarche on Twitter and Mastodon and on LinkedIn 



    Curious to use these ideas in your work? Get in touch with me!

    Website weneedsocial.com/LinkedIn linkedin.com/in/celineschillingerInstagram instagram.com/dare_to_un_lead/Twitter twitter.com/CelineSchillMastodon https://mastodon.social/@CelineSchillYouTube youtube.com/c/CélineSCHILLINGER

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  • Can we work together as equals when old social, gender hierarchies still pervade the world of work? Leadership skills now include self-awareness, humility, empathy and storytelling, says Susan Scrupski. A model of resilience herself, Susan explains what it takes to shape workplaces where people feel equally respected.


    See the show notes on my website for quotes, more info and links.


    More about Susan Scrupski:


    Learn about Change Agents Worldwide here https://changeagentsworldwide.com/ and on Pinterest https://www.pinterest.com/chagww/ & Slideshare https://www.slideshare.net/chagww 

    Connect with Susan Scrupski on Twitter, on Instagram and on LinkedIn 


    Curious to use these ideas in your work? Get in touch with me!

    Website weneedsocial.com/LinkedIn linkedin.com/in/celineschillingerInstagram instagram.com/dare_to_un_lead/Twitter twitter.com/CelineSchillMastodon https://mastodon.social/@CelineSchillYouTube youtube.com/c/CélineSCHILLINGER

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  • New organizational operating systems help overcome inefficient vertical hierarchies and augment human work. When digital technologies are used to rethink organizations entirely – instead of simply automating old business processes – our enterprises and their people win, digital acceleration consultant Lee Bryant says.


    See the show notes on my website for quotes, more info and links.


    More about Lee Bryant:

    Check out Postshift https://postshift.com/ Watch Lee’s keynote on Distributed Digital Leadership at SocialNow 2019 https://socialnow.org/lee-bryant-distributed-digital-leadership/ Connect with Lee Bryant on Twitter https://twitter.com/leebryant and on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/leebryant/  Read “Lateral layers and loops: Why managers need to curate the fabric of the digital firm in a post-lockdown world” by Lee Bryant (subscription needed) https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/02663821211035039 Read “Repeating the mistake of abstracting social connections in system design” by Lee Bryant https://postshift.substack.com/p/repeating-the-mistake-of-abstracting Read Post*Shift’s newsletter: Link*Log by Post*Shift https://postshift.substack.com/  Read “How Chinese Companies Are Reinventing Management” in Harvard Business Review (March-April 2023) https://hbr.org/2023/03/how-chinese-companies-are-reinventing-management 

    Curious to use these ideas in your work? Get in touch with me!

    Website weneedsocial.com/LinkedIn linkedin.com/in/celineschillingerInstagram instagram.com/dare_to_un_lead/Twitter twitter.com/CelineSchillMastodon https://mastodon.social/@CelineSchillYouTube youtube.com/c/CélineSCHILLINGER

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  • Good rebels just want to do great work. So why is it hard? Hostile work cultures, but also self-sabotage, hinder change makers. For a decade, Lois Kelly has been championing ‘people who think differently, work bravely, laugh generously, and live optimistically’. She reveals the keys to successful change, which always starts with oneself.


    See the show notes on my website for quotes, more info and links.


    More about Lois Kelly:

    Find inspiration from Rebels at Work https://www.rebelsatwork.com/

    Connect with Lois Kelly on Twitter https://twitter.com/LoisKelly and on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/lois-kelly/ 


    Curious to use these ideas in your work? Get in touch with me!

    Website weneedsocial.com/LinkedIn linkedin.com/in/celineschillingerInstagram instagram.com/dare_to_un_lead/Twitter twitter.com/CelineSchillMastodon https://mastodon.social/@CelineSchillYouTube youtube.com/c/CélineSCHILLINGER

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  • Can we be free at work? For human systems thinker Barry Oshry, emancipation comes from seeing patterns of power dynamics arising in human collectives. His long-time working partner Jeff Boudro explains some of the main ideas Oshry brought to the world. Listen in and learn how we can empower ourselves and others for a better collaboration through system sight.


    See the show notes on my website for quotes, more info and links. 


    More about Jeff Boudro:

    Check out Power + Systems, Inc. https://www.powerandsystems.com/ Connect with Jeff Boudro on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-boudro-4440a66/

    Curious to use these ideas in your work? Get in touch with me!

    Website weneedsocial.com/LinkedIn linkedin.com/in/celineschillingerInstagram instagram.com/dare_to_un_lead/Twitter twitter.com/CelineSchillMastodon https://mastodon.social/@CelineSchillYouTube youtube.com/c/CélineSCHILLINGER

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  • We need to debunk leadership – often, a toxic set of obsolete behaviors. How to end our addiction to this model? Work anthropologist Stowe Boyd analyzes what’s going on in organizations and in society. You will learn about control, governance and democracy at work; the “woowoo” that fails to engage people; and promising new operating models. Our conversation opens unconventional ways to approach work in a changing world.


    See the show notes on my website for quotes, more info and links.


    Connect with Stowe on Medium https://stoweboyd.medium.com/ and Mastodon https://mastodon.social/@[email protected] and Twitter https://twitter.com/stoweboyd and LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/stoweboyd/ 


    Curious to use these ideas in your work? Get in touch with me!

    Website weneedsocial.com/LinkedIn linkedin.com/in/celineschillingerInstagram instagram.com/dare_to_un_lead/Twitter twitter.com/CelineSchillMastodon https://mastodon.social/@CelineSchillYouTube youtube.com/c/CélineSCHILLINGER

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  • You just can’t “fix” an organization. Orgs are living systems, not machines. So how do we change them? Systems thinker Myron Rogers, an author and advisor in large scale social change, explains how to best approach transformation work in today’s organizations. You will learn about change principles that help improve corporate culture, quality, patient or customer care.


    See the show notes on my website for quotes, more info and links.


    Connect with Myron on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/myronrogers/ and on Twitter https://twitter.com/myron_rogers 


    Curious to use these ideas in your work? Get in touch with me!

    Website weneedsocial.com/LinkedIn linkedin.com/in/celineschillingerInstagram instagram.com/dare_to_un_lead/Twitter twitter.com/CelineSchillMastodon https://mastodon.social/@CelineSchillYouTube youtube.com/c/CélineSCHILLINGER

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  • Goodbye leadership? In a fast changing world, we must reinvent how we lead. After a landmark book, this podcast explores ways by which organizations, executives but also any worker can transform collective work and achieve better outcomes. Join Celine Schillinger’s guests as they unravel old beliefs and offer new ways of leading - or unleading! 


    Curious to know more? 

    Read Dare To Un-Lead: The Art of Relational Leadership in a Fragmented World. Read the book reviews https://weneedsocial.com/the-book and https://weneedsocial.com/blog/2023/1/13/leadership-book-of-the-year Get in touch with meWebsite weneedsocial.com/LinkedIn linkedin.com/in/celineschillingerInstagram instagram.com/dare_to_un_lead/Twitter twitter.com/CelineSchillMastodon https://mastodon.social/@CelineSchillYouTube youtube.com/c/CélineSCHILLINGER

    See the show notes for quotes, more info and links.


    This podcast is produced by Lagor Services - Business Podcast Experts: https://www.lagorservices.com/


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