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What does it mean to uncage your own soul and find vitality, even in challenging periods of life?
John Waller is an award-winning filmmaker, speaker, and adventurer. After founding the video production company Uncage the Soul in 2004, he dedicated his career to capturing wild and serene landscapes, as well as the stories of the people who call them home.
In 2020, John was diagnosed with stage 4 colorectal cancer. This inspired him to pursue a life filled with purpose, vitality, and a deeper appreciation for the natural spaces he has long admired.
We talk about:
How award-winning Uncage the Soul productions came to life Traveling the world after college and gaining comfort in the unknown and getting a “social education” Dedicating 16 years of life to his company while wearing all the hats The decision to end Uncage the Soul towards the start of COVID-19 pandemic and trying to personally separate himself from his business Going to a doctor after 10 years and learning he has terminal cancer The emotions and shifts that come with a life-changing diagnosis and how John’s experience as a producer helped him find support Releasing an aversion to accepting help from others Using psychedelics as a way to access a deeper side of himself Learning to swim with instead of against the current of life What John is afraid of as he approaches the end of his life Mending the Line: Uncage’s film about fly-fisher Frank MoorePSST! If you like this episode, did you know we have over 30 other conversations with people who have lived big lives and made trade-offs to pursue their passions?
We've spoken with a former Hollywood star who moved to Kentucky to open a preschool, an adventurer who lost a toe while guiding on Mount Rainier, a drag queen who found empowerment by embracing an alter ego, and a pro ice climber who continues to adventure as a mom of twins. Find all episodes at www.fortheloveofpod.com/episodes.
Connect with John:
Uncage the Soul Productions👋Like the show? Share the stoke!:
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-Music: The King of Sandwich Island by Shut-ins
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Marina Legree has an educational background in international affairs and public policy and has spent over two decades living around the world and working with international aid agencies.
In 2015, she founded the nonprofit Ascend Athletics, which redefines opportunity for women in Afghanistan and Pakistan through mountaineering based leadership training and community service.
We talk about:
Marina being assigned to work in Afghanistan starting in 2005 and the country becoming a home for her A crash course in modern politics of Afghanistan and the 2021 Taliban offensive The assumptions people made about an American woman in her 20’s living in Afghanistan (including people in the US military thinking that she was a spy) Language to examine in politics: “third world,” “expat” vs. “immigrant”, and Afghans aren’t Arabs Living with restrictions on women’s movement and outdoor time, and how that led Marina to start Ascend Athletics Working within the parameters of local culture and religion to encourage girls in the mountains Resettling 134 Afghans around the world after the Taliban returned to power in Afghanistan in 2021 (which was antithetical to Ascend’s mission but an ask of the girls in the program) Feeling more unsafe living in DC or working with the US Army than after the Taliban gained power in Afghanistan Living in Maine and having a family while leading international work Why the world needs more women in government and international leadershipPSST! If you like this episode, you’ll love Why Erika Vikander is Fighting for Gender Equality in Freeride Snowboarding and Women’s Sports and How Living Seasonally and Wild Entrepreneurship Led Tamara Jacobi to Run a Mexican Jungle Eco Lodge
Connect with Marina and Ascend Athletics:
https://ascendathletics.org/ https://www.instagram.com/ascendathleticsngo👋Like the show? Share the stoke!:
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-Music: The King of Sandwich Island by Shut-ins
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When you watch epic ski films, do you ever wonder about the person behind the camera?
Bjarne Salén is an adventure documentary filmmaker, photographer and entrepreneur originally from Sweden and currently living in Hood River, OR. Over the past 15 years, he’s traveled the globe to create documentaries, short films, and photographic works.
Bjarne has directed and produced films for brands like Salomon, Oakley, Patagonia, and the North Face. In 2021, Bjarne founded Bjarne Builds, a van conversion business that has since evolved into creating tiny homes and now a new signature line. He continues to share stories from around the world through his work, including The Fifty Project ski series.
We talk about:
The evolution of Bjarne’s adventure filmmaking over the decades from stoke to story The realities of combining passions in skiing and film, when 90% of skiing is for work Being the talent vs. filming the talent, when both roles require elite athleticism The Fifty Project with Cody Townsend and why Bjarne doesn’t give a sh!t about 50 ski lines The trade-offs of working expeditions: bad weather after long travel, missing loved ones, and managing unpredictable money How Bjarne tries to turn his brain off from thinking about work and being present instead What you need to accept around time and effort if you want to be an adventure filmmaker Bjarne’s van conversion business pivots Not being able to get funding for an incredible story Bjarne’s views on using social media as a creative The climate crisis and its effects on The Fifty ski lines Risk management and facing death in the mountainsPSST! If you like this episode, you’ll love Why Kayaker and Filmmaker Rush Sturges is Rethinking Work-Life Balance.
Connect with Bjarne:
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-Music: The King of Sandwich Island by Shut-ins
-Thank you to The Ruins, the best wedding venue in Oregon, for supporting the show.
For full show notes and more: https://fortheloveofpod.com
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This man has played many a serial killer on TV, but he's way more down to earth than his characters may appear.
Ryan Devlin is an entrepreneur, rock climber, rad dad, and actor best known for his roles on shows like Veronica Mars and Grey's Anatomy. In his words, he’s “just trying to fit it all in.”
He's also the host of The Struggle Climbing Show, one of the most popular rock climbing podcasts, where he explores the intersections of climbing and personal growth.
We talk about:
Why Ryan is fascinated with “the struggle” and how it shapes his popular podcast When Ryan knows it’s time to shake it up and make a pivot in life Countering failure by embracing a beginner’s mindset The arrival fallacy that so many humans face Mental vs. physical challenges of outdoor adventures (running 100 miles or sending a 5.15) The difference between being an actor and a celebrity Moving from Hollywood to Kentucky and opening a forest school Acting is listening (even if Ryan tends to play creepy murderers on TV) Ryan’s tools for keeping all the plates spinning in a packed life The One Line a Day Journal Ryan got Angie and Jeni hooked onPSST! If you like this episode, you’ll love these:
How to be an Imperfect Advocate and Pursue Outdoor Adventures in a Changing Climate with Alpinist Graham Zimmerman
Managing Expectations in a High Pressure Academic Environment with Dr. Hannah Prather
Connect with Ryan:
https://instagram.com/thestruggleclimbingshow https://www.instagram.com/ryandevlinoutside https://www.youtube.com/@thestruggleclimbingshow https://www.thestruggleclimbingshow.com👋Like the show? Share the stoke!:
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Shout-Outs:
-Music: The King of Sandwich Island by Shut-ins
-Thank you to The Ruins, the best wedding venue in Oregon, for supporting the show.
For full show notes and more: https://fortheloveofpod.com
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Ever get the urge to throw all your stuff in an Astrovan and leave your corporate job for good?
Sunny Stroeer is a record setting adventure athlete and entrepreneur known for her feats in extreme sports and her work in outdoor adventure media. She runs two adventure guiding services and the nonprofit Summit Scholarship Foundation.
Sunny combines her corporate career background and Harvard MBA with her current work as an athlete and storyteller to be an advocate for gender equity in the outdoors.
We talk about:
Spending 5 years at Harvard after getting rejected at first Realizing that she needed far more adventure time than her corporate work could allow A 43 hour-long workday, and what burnout felt like to Sunny The changing value of time and money when you shake up your work Adulting is real. (Sad!) We have to say no to incredible opportunities sometimes. Feeling both angry at and grateful for an employer at the same time Running two guiding services and a nonprofit on top of her own adventures Reciprocity in scholarships: They’re not just for winning recipients Sexism and microaggressions on Aconcagua Balancing competition with collaboration for Fastest Known Times Body image when your body is a tool for adventure Finding harmony with her husband in a packed life The realities of athlete sponsorship and income The Iditarod Invitational: being the first woman to complete the 1,000 mile race on skisPSST! If you like this episode, you’ll love these:
Why Erika Vikander is Fighting for Gender Equality in Freeride Snowboarding and Women’s Sports
What Kayaking and Paddleboarding Taught Anna Levesque about Fear, Confidence, and Mental Agility
The Trade-offs of Seasonal Work, Shifting Identities, and Kite Skiing Across Greenland with Katie Crafts
Connect with Sunny:
Sunny on Instagram: instagram.com/sstroeer
Sunny’s website: www.sunnystroeer.com
The Summit Scholarship Foundation on the web www.summitscholarship.org and on Instagram: instagram.com/summitscholarshipfoundation
AWExpeditions on the web www.awexpeditions.org and on IG instagram.com/awexpeditions
Dreamland Safari Tours on the web www.dreamlandtours.net and on IG instagram.com/dreamlandsafari
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Would you take a job that has you stand in a fiery pit that’s been burning for decades in the Turkmenistan desert, rig a rope across a boiling lake, and put yourself in the middle of Tornado Alley?
George didn’t take the job– he made it, and he took his camera with him.
George Kourounis is a National Geographic Explorer, storm chaser, science communicator, and host of the Angry Planet TV series. He's been to all seven continents and over 80 countries to photograph some of Mother Nature's most elusive and dangerous phenomena.
We talk about:
-The logistics of being ready to cross the world at a moment’s notice
-Funding big adventures and relying on Mother Nature to make a living
-How George broke into media and started the Angry Planet TV series
-Why George hates the words “influencer” and “content” and the impact of technology on the news cycle and media
-Identifying as a nature junkie but not an adrenaline junkie
-The Gateway to Hell expedition with a Guinness World Record of being the first person to set foot at the bottom of this burning pit of gas
-Capturing disasters that blur the line between natural and human influence
-The FOMO of missing a big storm or event and the pressure to create media for others to enjoy or learn from
-When your work is less of a job and more of a lifestyle
-A scary bat experience where George’s inner organs could’ve turned to Jello (oopsie)
-The essence of exploration in 3 words
PSST! If you like this episode, you’ll love this one: How to be an Imperfect Advocate and Pursue Outdoor Adventures in a Changing Climate with Alpinist Graham Zimmerman
Connect with George:
-George on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/george_kourounis
-George's website: http://www.stormchaser.ca/
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Ready to be the most intriguing conversation sparker in the room?
Angie and Jeni spill their previously unshared thoughts on life purpose, gratitude for pain, imposter syndrome, alcohol, and more as we surprise each other with deep questions inspired by our guests.
It’s our celebration of 24 episodes with guests who’ve gotten honest on the trade-offs they’ve made to pursue their passions!
Hear some of our favorite recent soundbites and the questions that came up from these podcast guests:
An ice climber who became a mother which made her a better human
An ex-pat who moved to the Mexican jungle to start a business
A mountain bike racer who helps others become more brave
An extreme sports couple who got pregnant after one of them nearly died
A podcast producer who left corporate and got sober
A former MLB pitcher who retired in his 20’s into his darkest days
A venture capitalist who’s helping women reach financial goals
A kayaker and filmmaker whose passions are work and vice versa
A podcaster on a mission to protect wild Florida
An athlete who discovered deep mindfulness after healing from testicular cancer
A pararescueman helping normies like us be in the water with confidence and strength
A drag queen who’s on her way to be the biggest and best of all time
We have some epic episodes coming up, so make sure you’re following and subscribed to For The Love Of: Trade-offs We Make in Pursuit of our Passions!
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Tell one friend who would like For The Love Of (send ‘em a link to this very page!).
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Everyone can feel the confidence of a drag queen on stage, but there’s more than meets the eye.
Samuel Thrower performs as Slutashia, Oregon’s drag raptress.
Samuel is a multi talented drag queen, vocalist, and rapper from Eugene, Oregon. Slutashia possesses a modern-day hip-hop aura and delivers her original rhymes with strong power and confidence. She has had the pleasure of opening up for queer artists such as God Des, Wreckno and Big Freedia.
We talk about:
-Common misconceptions about drag
-Being in both the entertainment and beauty business
-Dreaming of being a performer then having Slutashia give him the confidence to pursue music
-Looking like a cocky queen on the outside, but feeling vulnerable on the inside
-The risk of going full-time as a drag queen and working gig to gig
-How being a songwriter and rapper elevates Slutashia as a drag queen
-Growing up in California and rural Oregon as a gay Black man
-The trade-offs of money, a social life, dating, and pieces of Samuel to pursue a passion
-Sewing, makeup, vocals, choreography: there are a million skills drag queens need to grow
PSST! If you like this episode, you’ll love these two:
How Dancing Transformed Nika Kermani’s Mental Health After Depression
Turning Life’s Challenges into Confidence through Mindful Mountain Biking
Connect with Slutashia:
@Slutashia on Instagram
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Picking up “The Perfect Storm” at a Blockbuster could forever change your life… Or at least it did for Matt.
Matt Schollard is a former special operations Pararescue team leader and lifelong action sport athlete.
As a water confidence coach, he is passionate about developing future special operations candidates, extreme athletes, and anyone curious about expanding their perceived limitations.
We talk about:
-Pararescuemen: The people who show up to save Navy SEALs
-The Air Force Pararescueman selection course: the hardest day of your life over and over again
-Surviving Hell Week and fantasizing about quitting
-Stories of how fear is contagious– but courage is, too
-Joining the military with eyes on ocean rescue, but then 9/11 happened
-The mental health impacts of compartmentalizing fear for so long
-Upregulating and downregulating tools when experiencing post-traumatic stress
-Hanging on to the identity of a job even when he knew he needed to step away
-The big life pivot that came to Matt after bawling on a paddleboard in the ocean
-The tool of humor as a way to cope with stress
-Working with extreme athletes and non-extreme athletes around mindset and water confidence
-The incredible Water Confidence Class at the Hood River Aquatic Center
PSST! If you like this episode, you’ll love these two:
-Why Kayaker and Filmmaker Rush Sturges is Rethinking Work-Life Balance
-How Pro Kitesurfer Jason Slezak Stopped Chasing Highs to Avoid His Past Trauma and Changed His Approach to Sports and Mental Health
Connect with Matt:
-Matt on Instagram
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-Music: The King of Sandwich Island by Shut-ins
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Being told he might have a week to live ended up changing Adam’s life for the better.
Adam Spillman, once an athlete, transitioned into a coach, mentor, and motivational speaker following a life-altering cancer diagnosis at age 30, when he was initially given just one week to live.
Now, Adam helps others unlock their full potential and enhance their health and well-being, drawing from the same strategies that fueled his own recovery and transformation post-cancer.
We talk about…
-At age 29, noticing health issues: mood, fatigue, and skin infections with no answers
-A stage 3C testicular cancer diagnosis, and finding his body riddled with tumors, including in his arteries, kidney, and lung
-A cancer with very grueling treatment that can kill you as well
-The feeling of impending death
-Realizing the power of mindset during chemo, transfusions, and hospital stays
-Discovering the mind-breath connection and how breathwork can change thinking
-The hardest part of life for cancer survivors is reintegrating into society after treatment
-Finding flow in life, not just in sports
-Discovering new passions like jiu jitsu, open water swimming, and foiling
-A life still centered around athletic pursuits, but also helping others: coaching and mentoring on what has helped and continues to help him with his mind-body performance
PSST! If you like this episode, you’ll love these two:
How Getting Diagnosed with Breast Cancer Motivated Lisa Thompson to Climb the Seven Summits
How a Traumatic Brain Injury Led Pro Athletes Brandon Scheid and Sensi Graves to Find Gratitude and New Perspectives on Life
Connect with Adam:
-Adam on Instagram: https://instagram.com/breathworkwithadam
-Adam's website: https://adamspillman.com
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-Music: The King of Sandwich Island by Shut-ins
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The places we don’t always think of as adventure destinations are precisely the places Mason Gravley likes to explore.
Mason grew up somewhere between the swamps, orange groves, and cattle ranches of central Florida. After vagabonding throughout the western US, he’s come back to find a deep relationship with his home state.
Now, Mason's Lead Adventurer for Athletic Brewing and hosts the Adventure Sports Podcast (his words). He’s also one of the raddest dads and friends out there (our words).
We talk about…
-Biking from Alaska to Florida… on a shoestring budget, without knowing how to change a flat tire, and not having snow or mountain experiences!
-A 10,000 mile bike ride to every National Park west of the Mississippi River
-The decision to start having kids in the middle of an adventurous life
-Fitting in adventure when you have multiple streams of work and a family
-Lessons from over 1,000 episodes of the Adventure Sports Podcast
-A life mission to protect as much of wild Florida as possible (where 100,000 acres of wild land are lost to development a year)
-Paddling across alligator-filled Lake Okeechobee to raise awareness for conservation
-Even if you can’t save the world, you can help your backyard
-Mother Nature is Mother Nature, whether it's the Grand Canyon, the Himalaya, or a square foot of grass in your yard; nothing is more or less beautiful
Connect with Mason:
-Mason on Instagram: https://instagram.com/alive_adventures and https://instagram.com/adventuresportspodcast
-The Adventure Sports Podcast: https://www.adventuresportspodcast.com/
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Kayaking waterfalls and creating epic films looks glamorous from the outside, but if there’s one thing the river’s taught Rush, it’s humility.
Rush Sturges is one of the world’s most influential whitewater kayakers, a prominent action sports filmmaker, and a devoted musician.
Rush has honed his filmmaking and paddling skills on location in some of the planet’s wildest places, from Pakistan to China to the Democratic Republic of Congo. In 2009, Rush founded River Roots, a media production house based in White Salmon, WA.
We talk about…
-Feeling physically stronger than before, but the mental side is getting tougher
-Starting filmmaking as a young teen on a kayak for the family business
-Shifting from shred flicks to vulnerable stories in filmmaking
-The future of filmmaking and technology: AI and social media vs. human storytelling
-Juggling the workflow of feature films vs. shorts and other passion projects
-Dealing with grief in the community as a kayaker
-Resuscitating kayaker Gerd Serrasolses during a medical emergency while filming
-Living through a massive earthquake in Nepal in 2023 and dealing with the post anxiety of a traumatic situation
-Feeling addicted to both kayaking and work
-Spending 3 days in silent meditation and wanting to do less more often
-Second-guessing moments in Rush's unconventional career: travel infections, times of financial instability, facing death
-Rush's passion for making music: his folk-americana-hip hop mix album
-Rush's current film project (3 years in and counting!): Paddle Tribal Waters
Connect with Rush:
-Rush on Instagram: https://instagram.com/rushsturges
-River Roots Productions: https://riverroots.com/
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-Music: The King of Sandwich Island by Shut-ins
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For full show notes and more: https://fortheloveofpod.com
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Like it or not, we live in a capitalist society– so, what can we do to benefit ourselves and the world?
Mel Strong started her career as a first grade teacher and journalist. A fateful interview with her long-time running hero Joan Benoit Samuelson led to a long-shot interview for an entry level job at Nike — a process that included running twice around Nike campus with her future manager.
Mel spent 17 years at Nike, working on the Running, Soccer, Women’s, Snow and Skateboarding businesses. In 2017, she started angel investing and advising early stage founders, and in 2019, Mel co-founded venture capital firm Next Ventures.
We talk about…
Mel’s childhood and early career leading to a personal mission to increase access to health resources for communities that need them 17 years at Nike: the ups and the downs and the self-identity of working for the brand The wealth creation gap: Historical female disempowerment around wealth and finances Are women holding themselves back financially, or is it the system? Three things women can do in the next month to become more financially empowered “Soft skills,” “breadwinner,” “wearing the pants…” EWWW, these terms suck! Convincing Angie why she should invest and care about retirement funds Short and long term visioning and planning around wealth in order to maximize your positive impact on the world Leaving Nike and co-founding a venture capital firm When Mel realized she had to examine diversity in her investment base The trade-offs of being your own boss: when things go sideways, that’s on you– which is terrifying but wonderfulHow to connect with Mel:
Next Ventures (Mel's VC firm) Hood River Mountain Bike Adventures (Mel and her husband's business) YouTube video to inspire you from Mel👋How to connect with Jeni and Angie:
Jeni on Instagram Angie on Instagram Angie’s website Angie on LinkedIn FTLO on Instagram⭐Please rate and review For The Love Of:
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This former MLB pitcher discovered that he has more meaning and impact behind the scenes of sports than when standing on the mound himself.
Adam Bernero works in the field of sport psychology and is currently a mental performance coach with the Seattle Mariners of Major League Baseball.
Adam started his pro career as a pitcher with the Detroit Tigers in 1999 and played in the major leagues until 2006. After leaving the big leagues due to injury, Adam was a fishing guide in Alaska for six summers among odd jobs and time for self-reflection. Now, he’s enjoying life more than ever helping other athletes fulfill their dreams.
Content note: from minute 29:20-30:55, Adam alludes to suicide ideation.
We talk about…
- Moving from college to the minor leagues to the MLB in a year
- How much Adam struggled after he had to quit pitching in the MLB due to injury
- From $2,000/day to $7.25/hour and having to scrape together odd jobs at 31
- Briefly considering what it would be like to jump off the Golden Gate Bridge before realizing he didn’t want to end his life
- How Adam began to find happiness after depression
- How Adam is “triage for the mind” for players on the Seattle Mariners
- Tools Adam shares with his athletes: mindset, focus, breathwork, and mind-body connection for nervous system regulation
- How Adam’s sweet spot is guiding athletes behind the scenes, rather than standing on the mound himself
- The trade-offs of being on the road for sports: inconsistency in relationships, the desire to have a dog, and how summers don’t exist
PSST! If you like this episode, you’ll love these two:
How Dave Watson Navigates Relationships and Fatherhood as an Everest Mountain Guide
How Dancing Transformed Nika Kermani's Mental Health After Depression
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Emily Holland is a podcast consultant and strategist in Boulder, CO. In a previous life, Emily was a corporate girlie, working with Fortune 500 companies as an account manager. In 2021, she left the corporate world and set out on the path of self employment, working primarily with podcasters to help build, grow, and monetize their shows.
Outside of working with creatives in the outdoor industry, she loves being outside, climbing or trail running, preferably with a great female crew and some pups.
We talk about…
- The identity crisis of leaving a full time job
- Knowing that the conventional path wasn’t for her or her partner after trying to follow it
- Moving from the northeast to Colorado to be closer to outdoor passions
- How your income doesn’t equate to your worth (but that’s hard to not feel!)
- Openness with a partner about money and financial goals, including having money dates (cute!)
- Sobriety and the decision to stop drinking
- The “So you’re not fun anymore?” reaction from loved ones when you stop drinking
- How you can support people in your life who are considering sobriety
- How self-employment is a constant experiment with ups and downs
- Being your own boss through the wins and challenges
How to connect with Emily:
Emily on LinkedIn Wild Poppy Creative Consulting👋How to connect with Jeni and Angie:
Jeni on Instagram Angie on Instagram Angie’s website Angie on LinkedIn FTLO on Instagram⭐Please rate and review For The Love Of:
On Apple Podcasts On SpotifyShout-Outs:
Music: The Kind of Sandwich Island by Shut-ins Thank you to The Ruins, the best wedding venue in Oregon, for supporting the show.Follow FTLO on IG: https://www.instagram.com/for.the.love.of.podcast/
For full show notes and more: https://fortheloveofpod.com
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What if the day you faced a life-threatening sports injury was one of the best days of your life? And what does that mean for your loved ones?
Married couple Sensi Graves and Brandon Scheid are professional wind sport athletes. Sensi is a pro kiter, retreat host, founder of Sensi Graves Swim, and speaker. Brandon is a pro athlete and kite designer, as well as a survivor of a recent traumatic brain injury who’s been coming to terms with his injuries.
We talk about…
- Brandon’s November 2023 speed flying accident that could’ve killed him
- Falling at 60mph, crashing into a cliff, fracturing his pelvis and back, and experiencing two brain injuries on impact
- The lasting effects of one of the TBIs: judgment, criticism, anger, and lack of compassion, often towards Sensi
- Sensi's experience of hearing the news that her husband might not make it
- The early days of traumatic brain injury recovery: experiencing mania, frustration, and having no filter
- Flying FPV drones as a direct replacement for speed flying: getting adrenaline rushes and feeling like he’s flying
- Discovering 2 weeks after the accident that Sensi is pregnant
- What Brandon and Sensi would tell people who are afraid of experiencing a life-changing injury or illness
- How to support loved ones going through a life-changing injury or illness
- Learning to let yourself be held and supported by other people
- Trusting that despite all the challenges and hard work, everything is going to be okay
- The more you experience the hard parts of life, the more you can experience the great parts
PSST! If you like this episode, you’ll love these two:
How a Mountaineering Accident Taught Doug Beardsley to Live Life to the Fullest
How Pro Kitesurfer Jason Slezak Stopped Chasing Highs to Avoid His Past Trauma and Changed His Approach to Sports and Mental Health.
How to connect with Sensi and Brandon:
Sensi Graves Swim Sensi on Instagram Brandon on Instagram Brandon’s FPV drone footage Sensi’s website👋How to connect with Jeni and Angie:
Jeni on Instagram Angie on Instagram Angie’s website Angie on LinkedIn FTLO on Instagram⭐Please rate and review For The Love Of:
On Apple Podcasts On SpotifyShout-Outs:
Music: The Kind of Sandwich Island by Shut-ins Thank you to The Ruins, the best wedding venue in Oregon, for supporting the show.Follow FTLO on IG: https://www.instagram.com/for.the.love.of.podcast/
For full show notes and more: https://fortheloveofpod.com
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Sports mirror life. So how can we use sports to live our happiest, healthiest, bravest lives?
Bekah Rottenberg is the founder of Brave Endeavors, a professional mountain bike instructor, a NASM certified personal trainer, a Patagonia mountain bike Ambassador, and a former professional enduro racer. She retired from pro racing to focus on coaching and strength training through Brave Endeavors.
We talk about…
- Discovering confidence in all aspects of life through mountain biking
- Finding self-confidence through what her body could do, even when academics were challenging
- Breaking into pro mountain biking while balancing that with being a teacher
- Not wanting to go all-in on racing since it’d sacrifice other important parts of life
- Building confidence in youth girls as media poses unrealistic expectations
- Sexism and microaggressions in women’s sports, on a small scale and as an industry
- Changing her mind about transgender women in sports; it’s not just about testosterone
- Building a multifaceted business around a passion for the bike
- “The gap between expectations and reality is happiness”
- Building muscle is investing in your body’s retirement bank account; you don’t have forever to build strong bones
- Our minds can limit or push us, like with breaking the four minute mile
- There are many elements to identity, not just being a mountain biker
How to connect with Bekah:
Brave Endeavors Bekah on Instagram👋How to connect with Jeni and Angie:
Jeni on Instagram Angie on Instagram Angie’s website Angie on LinkedIn FTLO on Instagram⭐Please rate and review For The Love Of:
On Apple Podcasts On SpotifyShout-Outs:
Music: The Kind of Sandwich Island by Shut-ins Thank you to The Ruins, the best wedding venue in Oregon, for supporting the show.Follow FTLO on IG: https://www.instagram.com/for.the.love.of.podcast/
For full show notes and more: https://fortheloveofpod.com
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What do you get when you mix a business idea with an out-of-the-box lifestyle? Wildpreneurship.
Tamara Jacobi is the author of “Wildpreneurs” and founder of the Tailwind Jungle Lodge in San Pancho, Mexico. She's lived in the jungle on the Mexican Pacific for nearly 20 years.
We talk about…
- Blending personal and professional dreams to build an unconventional business that involves moving internationally twice a year
- Living and operating a business in a touristed area and leaving an impact on the community
- Writing a business plan in college in Vermont, then moving to the jungle at 21 to build it
- Being mindful of a "Then what?" lifestyle trap, being satisfied with "enough," and learning to say no
- Choosing a small scale business model with no desire to expand
- Following passion first; taking a financially nonviable idea and making it work over time
- Raising children and working with a partner while moving seasonally
- Hosting many visitors, but making sure they leave inspired to protect the natural world
- The process to bring her book to life (through a manuscript, baby, and pandemic to now)
- Creating space and flexibility through shifting roles in business with her husband
How to connect with Tamara:
Wildpreneurs bookTailwind Jungle Lodge
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Jeni on InstagramAngie on Instagram
Angie’s website
Angie on LinkedIn
FTLO on Instagram⭐Please rate and review For The Love Of:
On Apple Podcasts
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Shout-Outs:
Music: The Kind of Sandwich Island by Shut-ins
Thank you to The Ruins, the best wedding venue in Oregon, for supporting the show.
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Raising tiny humans is, for many people, the ultimate life trade-off. What happens when you’re a professional athlete, traveling the world and pushing your body, who then finds out you’re pregnant– with twins?!
Majka Burhardt (she/her) is a professional climber, social entrepreneur, author, filmmaker, mother of twins and the Founder and Executive Director of Legado, an international organization that supports indigenous communities to build healthy communities and landscapes. Majka wrote the book “More: Life on the Edge of Adventure and Motherhood,” a collection of notes, letters, and messages to her twins from pregnancy through toddlerhood.
We talk about…
- The parallels of being an athlete and pregnancy: seeing what our bodies can do, seeking new skills, embracing challenges
- How motherhood affected Majka’s ice climbing skills: more gratitude and efficiency, less extreme overhanging moves
- Wanting to be a high level athlete AND there for her kids, and how she juggles that duality
- Body image as a mom and athlete, like gaining 70 lbs. in pregnancy after having a six pack
- Communicating with your co-parent when things really suck (and not "I'll just handle it myself")
- Creating a family culture of loving time outdoors
- Teaching kids to be resilient, rather than just safe, since they'll encounter risks every day
- Life is messier than anyone wants to admit
- The urge to do it all and do it all well
- Becoming passionate about parenting is badass
How to connect with Majka:
Majka’s website: https://www.majkaburhardt.com/ Majka on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/majkaburhardt/ Read “More: Life on the Edge of Adventure and Motherhood”: https://www.majkaburhardt.com/more/👋How to connect with Jeni and Angie:
https://www.instagram.com/angvswild
https://www.instagram.com/jenistembridge
https://www.itsangiemarie.com/
https://linkedin.com/in/angie-marie/
⭐Please rate and review For The Love Of:
On Apple Podcasts
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Shout-Outs:
Music: The Kind of Sandwich Island by Shut-ins
Thank you to The Ruins, the best wedding venue in Oregon, for supporting the show.
Follow FTLO on IG: https://www.instagram.com/for.the.love.of.podcast/
For full show notes and more: https://fortheloveofpod.com
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Having produced and released 12 podcast episodes into the wild feels like a reason to celebrate.
Listen as Angie and Jeni revisit some of the thought nuggets that guests shared that they haven’t stopped thinking about.
So far on For The Love Of, we’ve spoken with…
A BFF who threw her life upside down to go to Antarctica
A Mt. Everest guide who made a first ski descent on K2
A dancer who used movement to climb out of depression
A kayaker who completed the "Everest of kayaking"
A kitesurfer who stopped numbing out and faced his trauma
A rock climber who lost a partner in an avalanche then married his friend
A climate activist who teaches us to be imperfect advocates
A kayaking coach who teaches women mental agility
A snowboarder who fights sexism in the freeride world
A teacher who lost a toe on Mt. Rainier, relearned how to walk, and pursued a life of adventure
A mountaineer who left her corporate career to explore high mountains, got cancer, then climbed even higher
A professor who got a PhD at the sacrifice of mental health and is in love with lichens
On this episode, Jeni and Angie listen back to some memorable moments and go a bit deeper into some of their favorite guest soundbites.
You’ll get some great dinner table discussion starters, including:
Have you ever had to release an identity around your previous badassery?
What is something you don’t find risky but most people do?
Would you rather have three ski trips with friends when you’re 65, or one ski trip when you’re 25?
Could a 100 mile race ever feel boring after doing enough of them?
Is midnight too late for an end to board game night? Or is Angie lame and old now?
Why do we become more fearful as adults compared to childhood?
Is the way you do one thing the way you do everything?
What would you do if you were training for the Olympics and tore your ACL?
Would you hide the fact that you’re peeing if you were a woman stuck in a tent with a bunch of men?
Do rules make people more creative?
Are you willing to do your passion for money, or would that take away from it?
How can you get people who disagree with your opinions to consider your view?
Can you name five plant species that live in your neighborhood?
Calling all listeners! Yes, you!
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Go to this form and submit your thoughts by 3/13 for a chance to win and have eternal FTLO gratitude!
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👋How to connect with Jeni and Angie:
https://www.instagram.com/angvswild
https://www.instagram.com/jenistembridge
https://www.itsangiemarie.com/
https://linkedin.com/in/angie-marie/
⭐Please rate and review For The Love Of:
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Shout-Outs:
Music: The Kind of Sandwich Island by Shut-ins
Thank you to The Ruins, the best wedding venue in Oregon, for supporting the show.
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For full show notes and more: https://fortheloveofpod.com
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