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Ep #53 with Kapil Dhiman, Co-Founder & CEO of Quranium
Mumbai-based Kapil Dhiman is the co-founder and CEO of Quranium. An entrepreneur to his core with a creative and artistic side – coupled passion for problem solving – Kapil is a seasoned leader with 12 years of diverse international consulting experience in dealing with enterprises, startups and funds.He is also a former Web 3.0 leader at PwC India and an award-winning CEO who crafted the Metaverse Startup of the Year 2023 from scratch. A distinguished global speaker and author, Kapil has helped over 20 startups in the Web3 ecosystem with their go-to-market (GTM) and product strategies.
In this episode of Regulatory Ramblings, Kapil chats with host Ajay Shamdasani on how advances in quantum computing can compromise Blockchain transactional security and anonymity.
Much has been said about quantum computing and how it is going to revolutionize the world – and part of that is reflected in the new Cold War between the US and China, with Beijing constantly eager to tout its advances in the field and with the American and European mainstream press clamoring about how the collective West is falling behind – in a manner almost reminiscent of the US response to the USSR’s 1957 Sputnik launch.
Some, such as Kapil, contend that the security of cryptocurrency transactions can be breached by quantum computing, notwithstanding the much touted ‘National Security Agency (NSA)-level encryption’ that pollyannish virtual asset advocates say exists when using a Blockchain.
Kapil shares a little bit about his background and the challenges of growing up in a military family with a father he was very temperamentally different from. Recounting the challenges of starting his own firm – and the joys and hurts of following an entrepreneurial path – and what he envisages for Quranium.
The discussion proceeds to define what exactly quantum computing is, and if it should be regulated across the board or whether each industry availing itself of such computers should devise their own rules. Kapil concludes it something each country will have to decide for itself – in much the same way artificial intelligence is being regulated globally.
Kapil also shares his thoughts on the notion that AI will come alive once quantum computing reaches a mature state. He addresses the issues of whether there is a mismatch between computing power and the ability to use AI to its fullest potential.
A lingering concern is that AI in its current state is not ‘real AI’ and that the purest version of AI will require more advanced quantum computing.
The conversation concludes with Kapil remarking on what Web 3.0 means on a practical level, as well as dispelling the cliché that creative and artistic types such as himself are not practical and business savvy, stating that such things can be learned if one is diligent and motivated enough.
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Ep #52 with Oonagh van den Berg (RAW Compliance)
Oonagh van den Berg, a seasoned international compliance professional, is the founder of RAW Compliance, a consultancy and training firm. With a legal background and two decades of experience in London, Hong Kong, and Singapore, Oonagh has become a respected figure in the compliance industry. Her upbringing in Northern Ireland during the violent era of "The Troubles" in the 1980s shaped her resilience and determination, leading her to a career as a lawyer, compliance officer, recruiter, consultant, and educator.
In this episode of Regulatory Ramblings, Oonagh discusses with Ajay Shamdasani the critical role of artificial intelligence (AI) in combating financial scams, deepfakes, and sextortion. These issues have become increasingly prevalent, especially in the dark corners of Web3. Oonagh's perspective is deeply personal, as her 13-year-old daughter and friends recently fell victim to blackmail after sharing innocent photos on Snapchat. This experience has driven her to raise awareness and produce educational videos through RAW Compliance, targeting pre-teens, teenagers, and young adults to prevent similar incidents.
A Europol poll highlights the growing use of AI by cybercriminals to commit complex and dangerous crimes. Malicious large language models (LLMs) are being utilized to craft scripts, phishing emails, and fraud advertisements, as well as to groom victims across language barriers. The rise of AI-altered and fully artificial child sexual abuse materials, which are increasingly realistic, has led to devastating consequences, including blackmail and suicides.
Oonagh also touches on her firm’s groundbreaking collaboration with Nick Leeson, the infamous former Barrings trader, to support victims of financial scams and assist in asset recovery. Together, they aim to provide the necessary help and guidance for victims to reclaim their financial futures.
She also criticizes banks for their insufficient efforts in helping scam victims, citing outdated technology and inadequate fraud detection systems. The scale of financial crime is alarming, with over 3.5 million people in the UK affected annually, leading to losses exceeding £1.2 billion. The problem is similarly severe across Europe and the US, with losses reaching billions of euros and dollars, respectively.
The conversation explores how financial institutions can navigate evolving regulations, monitor for child sexual abuse materials (CSAM), and investigate human trafficking within both traditional and decentralized financial systems. Oonagh emphasizes the challenges of global technology use in combating these crimes and provides estimates on the total value of suspected CSAM transactions using fiat versus cryptocurrency.
Oonagh concludes by highlighting the financial sector’s failure to take responsibility for anti-money laundering, human trafficking, and financial scams. She stresses the importance of understanding suspicious red flags and typologies that can aid in investigations, a crucial takeaway for both traditional financial crime compliance professionals and blockchain investigators.
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Ep #51 with Michael Borrelli (AI & Partners) and Anandaday Misshra (AMLEGALS)
In this episode, host Ajay Shamdasani discusses the EU AI Act with Michael Borrelli and Anandaday Misshra. The EU AI Act, the world's first comprehensive AI law, went into effect on August 1, 2024. The guests explore its global impact, particularly on compliance officers, in-house counsel, and businesses both within and beyond the EU.
Michael Borrelli is a Director at AI & Partners, leveraging over a decade of experience in financial services, compliance, and technology. He is passionate about responsible AI and serves in various advisory roles, contributing to AI and FinTech knowledge and best practices.
Anandaday Misshra is the founder and managing partner of AMLEGALS, a multidisciplinary law firm in India. With over 27 years of legal experience, he specializes in arbitration, data protection, taxation, and commercial litigation. Anand also discusses the implications of AI for India's information technology sector, highlighting the challenges and opportunities that AI regulations like the EU AI Act might present for Indian businesses and legal practitioners.
The episode also touches on concerns about the EU AI Act's potential extraterritorial reach, similar to the US Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act (FATCA). The conversation concludes with thoughts on whether the US might introduce its own AI regulations and the broader impact on India's growing tech industry.
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Ep #50 with Syed Musheer Ahmed, Finstep Asia
Syed Musheer Ahmed has two decades of extensive experience in the realms of capital markets, fintech and virtual assets – including a decade as a global markets’ trader, prior to coming to Hong Kong to attain his MBA from the University of Hong Kong and London Business School’s joint program.
Since 2016, Musheer has contributed extensively to building the region’s fintech and virtual asset ecosystem, particularly as the co-founder and the inaugural general manager of the Fintech Association of Hong Kong.
For the last five years, he has been the managing director of FinStep Asia – a firm which he founded to provide Venture building and empower cross-border bridges across Asia . In the interim, from October 2022 to January 2024, he served as a financial markets risk assurance lead as part of the foundational team of the Virtual Assets Regulatory Authority (VARA) in Dubai.
In this episode of Regulatory Ramblings, Musheer chats with host Ajay Shamdasani about his background, growing up in India’s information technology hub, Bangalore, his initial training as an engineer and his stint as a regulator in the Mideast’s Manhattan.
As the discussion progresses, Musheer reaffirms his faith in Hong Kong as a place for FinTech and crypto entrepreneurs, discussing what it is as about the city and the field that continues to attract and marvel him.
He also stresses that in the evolution of FinTech, the field has long since passed the nascent stage and is no longer all that new and glamorous since the advent of iPhone in 2007 and Satoshi Nakamoto’s paper on Blockchain first released in in 2009. Yet, he acknowledges that technological innovation continues, as he shares his thoughts on the regulatory approaches taken across Asia by mainland China, India, Singapore and Hong Kong – and the similarities and differences between some of the major jurisdictions.
While virtual assets which have evolved in some parts of the world, in others, they are still somewhat of a grey-zone. Musheer also comments on the prospects for cross-border crypto regulation in the Asia-Pacific or even internationally evolving to the level of harmonized rules, or even mutual recognition or common passporting – as was discussed a decade ago for the investment funds sector.
He also shares his views on how the choice between stablecoins and central bank digital currencies (CBDCs) is not binary. Musheer emphasizes it is not an either-or choice because both fulfil different purposes.
The conversation concludes with his assessment on the potential for Hong Kong and mainland China to collaborate with the FinTech and virtual asset hubs of the Middle East such as Dubai.
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Ep #49 with Dr. Andrew Mazen Dahdal, College of Law, Qatar University
Dr. Andrew Mazen Dahdal is an associate professor at the College of Law at Qatar University in Doha. He received his Ph.D. from the University of New South Wales, where he received an outstanding achievement award in 2014 for his dissertation on the necessity of historical analysis in constitutional interpretation.
Andrew has also taught constitutional and commercial law within Australia and Europe in both fulltime and adjunct roles. Writing on law, technology and global legal frameworks, Andrew is now focused on exploring the intersections between private and public law specifically by exploring the technocratic connections between constitutional and commercial legal frameworks.
This episode of Regulatory Ramblings features a discussion on his upcoming book entitled Digital Currencies and Public Law: History, Constitutionalism and the Revolutionary Nature of Money. In it he advocates for deeper engagement by public lawyers in digital currency developments which threaten dramatic changes in the relationship between individuals and government authorities.
As Andrew shares with our host, Ajay Shamdasani, no modern issue is more widely acknowledged and less understood than that of digital currencies. The voice of constitutional scholars, however, is crucially missing from prevailing digital money conversation. For example, private law scholars are grappling with the legal questions raised by digital currency models in property and contract. Alternatively, public law scholars have yet to appreciate the significance of the moment.
Andrew argues that the challenge of understanding the technical dimensions of digital money innovations has obscured the potential constitutional revolution that digital currencies represent. His book starts with the premise that ‘money’ is best thought of as a constitutional phenomenon. When seen in that light, it becomes clear that changes in the nature of money represent changes in political and constitutional arrangements.
The discussion elaborates on how and why that is so by examining episodes in history where the nature of money was linked to renewed constitutional settlements. The book distills a core set of principles linking aspects of monetary innovation such as technical control of the money supply to constitutional positions such as executive fiscal accountability. From such principles, a conceptual framework is proposed that translates the specific attributes of digital currency proposals into the language of constitutional dynamics.
Andrew also recounts what it was about digital currencies that initially piqued his curiosity as a constitutional scholar and ultimately, what compelled him to write the book. He also shares his thoughts on what he feels the book adds to an already crowded market place on the subject matter.
He concludes by saying that cryptocurrencies and virtual assets herald an opportunity for wholesale constitutional reform the world has yet to see. Andrew notes that certainly when it arrived on the scene and its most ardent advocates were anti-statist, anarcho-libertarians – and even to some extent today – the rise of Bitcoin and digital assets writ large can be scene as a political movement in search of an ideology.
Looking back on the development of money, Andrew said, every fiat currency has been a form of money, albeit stripped of its intrinsic value. Moving forward, he said, there was no way to have a robust conversation about money and digital change without interrogating competing monetary forms.
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Ep 48 with Dr. Mariola Marzouk (Vortex Risk Ltd.)
In this episode of Regulatory Ramblings, Dr. Mariola Marzouk, an AML expert who has co-founded Vortex Risk Ltd., shares her insights on trade-based money laundering (TBML), and her philosophy on financial crime prevention. She talks about her approach to leveraging RegTech, the importance of human judgment in AML, and her critique of the global financial regulatory landscape. She also discusses regulatory compliance technologies for their failure to effectively combat money laundering and argues that despite claims of innovation and disruption, these technologies focus more on regulatory adherence than understanding the complexities of financial crime. Marzouk contends that while these tools may expedite compliance processes, they do little to reduce criminal activities or address broader social injustices like poverty and sanctions evasion. She suggests a disconnect between industry claims and their actual impact on financial crime prevention.
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Ep 47 with Linda Jeng
Linda Jeng is a digital economy leader and strategist with over two decades of experience in FinTech, policy, and regulation. She is the founder & CEO of Digital Self Labs, a Washington D.C.-based Web3 advisory firm. Digital Self Labs is a cross-disciplinary advisory firm combining blockchain software expertise with policy and regulatory strategy. Linda helps clients design and implement innovative solutions that empower individuals and enable interoperability, transparency, and efficiency in the financial and digital sector.
She is also a renowned scholar and educator, with affiliations at Georgetown University Law Center, Duke University Law School, and the Bank for International Settlements. She conducts cutting-edge research and teaches courses on open banking, digital identity, and decentralized finance (DeFi). and has authored several publications and contributed to influential books on these topics. She is a frequent speaker and commentator in the media, and a Forbes contributor. Linda holds a J.D. from Columbia Law School and a master's degree in EU and International Law from Université Toulouse Capitole. She speaks Mandarin Chinese, French and basic German.
In this episode of Regulatory Ramblings, she talks to host Ajay Shamdasani about an op-ed piece she wrote which was published by Coindesk entitled “The Biggest Bank Heist in History Is Coming.”
The premise and the focus of the discussion is that regulators are permitting banks to tokenize financial assets such as bank deposits, U.S. Treasuries and corporate debt. Yet, they want institutions to use permissioned networks rather than the decentralized blockchains that keep assets safe from hackers.
As Linda stated in her article: “In February, the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency’s acting head Michael Hsu announced plans for new rules on operational resilience for large banks with critical operations, including third-party service providers. Critically, that wasn’t discussed, however, was that the rules would “treat the use of permissioned networks by the big banks to tokenize real world assets and liabilities, an omission that neglects critical new vulnerabilities for the global financial system.”
A key theme of the conversation is that encouraging the use of permissioned networks over permissionless blockchains will inevitably lead to cybersecurity attacks “on a scale previously unknown as the financial system moves to tokenize trillions of dollars’ worth of real world assets and liabilities. The biggest bank heist in history is in the making.”
“By contrast, most successful crypto hacks usually involve centralized protocols where hackers only need to hack the admin keys of only one or a few actors to gain control and steal digital assets. Similarly, permissioned networks are controlled by only a few parties, so they can be more easily hacked than blockchains maintained by thousands of validators. The concentration of attack vectors in the big banks that control these permissioned networks (or the central banks that control non-blockchain ledgers) is like sticking targets on their backs,” she said.
Linda goes on to discuss how she ended up in the legal profession, what drew her to digital assets as a scholar and why she believes the worst attacks against banks have yet to come.
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Ep 46 with Daniel Greenberg
Daniel Greenberg is the founder, president, and lead investigator of Greenberg Corporate Intelligence, a Washington, DC-based boutique investigations firm that commenced operations in March 2023. The firm offers research and intelligence services for private-sector clients such as support attorneys, private equity firms, hedge funds, and compliance teams.Dan has been working in the due diligence and corporate investigations field since 2010. Most recently, he was a managing director at Forward Risk, having previously worked at Kroll, Exiger and TD International.
Beginning in 2018, Dan helped grow Forward Risk from a small, newly established company with a handful of employees to a premier firm with over 25 full-time investigators. Forward Risk was acquired in November 2022, and, after a transition period, Dan left to establish his own independent firm – GCI.
He has a track record of uncovering hard-to-find facts, overcoming difficult challenges, and providing responsive service. His experience has mainly centered on investigative due diligence, shareholder activism support, litigation support, and competitive intelligence.
Dan holds a B.A. in International Affairs from George Washington University and an M.A. in Middle Eastern History from Tel Aviv University. Dan is also Certified Fraud Examiner (CFE #: 869765). Dan is licensed as a Private Detective in the District of Columbia.
The term due diligence is so often overused that in present colloquial vernacular, it is used as a quick, easy, and often lazy shorthand way of describing a plethora of background checks – varying from basic, perfunctory desk research to full blown investigations.
To tackle such misconceptions, Daniel chats with Regulatory Ramblings host Ajay Shamdasani to clarify what “due diligence” actually entails, while describing his own path as an entrepreneur.
Daniel shares his recollections about going to college in the US capital and later pursuing further graduate study - delving into the past of a long-troubled region in Israel.
The conversation goes on to delineate why investigative due diligence is (or should be) of paramount concern to the world’s largest banking and financial institutions and multinational corporations, as well as whether traditional backgrounds such as law enforcement, military service or intelligence work are necessarily the best ways to get into such work in an age when many corporate investigators are ex-journalists or researchers.
Daniel stresses that his firm’s approach to such work is focused on using open sources, public records, and interviews to identify and understand fraudulent behaviour and other risk issue.
The discussion concludes with a reflection on the tragic events following Hamas’ incursion into Israel on October 7, 2023, and Daniel shares his expertise on how, with all the intelligence and technology Israel had at its disposal, even it was taken by surprise.
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Episode #45 with guest John B. Quinn, Quinn Emanuel Urquhart & Sullivan, LLP
John B. Quinn is the founder and chairman of the nearly four-decade old Los Angeles law firm Quinn Emanuel Urquhart & Sullivan. The firm has been voted the world’s "most-feared law firm" ten times by independent research provider BTI Consulting, which surveyed over 300 key legal decision-makers at the world’s largest organizations.
In fact, in BTI’s annual survey - when respondents were asked the law firm that they least wanted to face as opposing counsel – Quinn Emanuel is consistently ranked number one as the world’s most feared litigation law firm.
Since 1986, John and his partners have built the largest law firms in the world devoted solely to business litigation and arbitration – which The Wall Street Journal called a “global litigation powerhouse.” In that time, Quinn Emanuel has grown to 35 offices in 12 countries on four continents, with over 1100 lawyers, generating more than $2 billion in revenue annually. In recent years, the firm has recovered over $80 billion for plaintiffs.
John also has ties to Hollywood, where, for 33 years, he served as General Counsel to the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, the organization behind the Oscars.
An avid mountain climber, Ironman triathlete and father of five, he is also the host of the popular podcast "Law, disrupted" - www.law-disrupted.fm.
In this episode of Regulatory Ramblings, he chats with host, Ajay Shamdasani, about how he found his way into the legal profession, his representation of the Bank of China, Alibaba, AliPay, and Ant Financial – juggernauts on the mainland Chinese banking and fintech / digital payments scene – as well as his belief in Singapore's importance as a dispute resolution centre for the Asia-Pacific. He also comments on how Hong Kong stacks up against the Lion City in that regard.
The conversation also covers the business rationale for Quinn Emanuel Urquhart’s focus on purely litigation and for not to representing the world’s largest money centre banks, notwithstanding the deep pockets for premium legal services that the world’s biggest financial institutions possess. It is an approach that has won the firm many plaudits amongst the plaintiffs’ bar writ large.
John also shares his candid thoughts on Environmental, Social and Governance (ESG) concerns at a time when such considerations in corporate operations and investing are under attack – often from prominent figures in the business world. He also comments on what can be done on the level of policy and legal reform to lure more foreign direct investment to the Middle East and Asia Pacific.
The discussion concludes with John commenting on his commitment to the arts and philanthropy and the importance of giving back to society when one attains a certain level of success – such as his longstanding service to the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, opening the Museum of Broken Relationships in Los Angeles.
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In this episode of Regulatory Ramblings, Ron Yu and Donald Day chat with host Ajay Shamdasani on the potentially pernicious consequences of non-technically trained lawyers - specifically, those without degrees or substantial experience in science, technology, engineering or math (STEM) - offering advice in situations where technology is either implicated or at the core of the matter. The law can be unforgiving to those that are ignorant of its often arcane ways and ultimately, it is clients that pay for what lawyers either do not know or assume, the guests share.
In an age of AI, machine learning and large language models (LLMs) – they do not go as far as to say lawyers need to learn how to code, but counsel need to understand the practical legal, business, financial and reputational implications of such technologies for their clients.
Technology can, at times, change the rules of the game, Ron and Donald stress. Yet, they also point out that sometimes lawyers suggest contractual terms that are legally feasible but based on current technology, impractical – such as the Bitcoin 10-second consensus period: a performance requirement that is not possible to do. As our guests explain, if there are terms in a contract that are unworkable, it could lead to a lawyer killing a deal either out of ignorance of the underlying technology or a lack of commercial acumen.
The discussion moves onto how rare it is to find those that are technically trained and also licensed, practicing lawyers. Clearly, the more technical a subject, the less likely an average dispute resolution practitioner at the typical multinational, Anglo-American law firm is going to be up to the task. Our guests acknowledge that leaves clients a very narrow field of specialists to choose from if they want to be represented by lawyers who both understand both the law and the underlying technology involved.
Lawyers often view technology through the lens of the legal and regulatory compliance implications, with less focus on the implementation of a particular technology. How it will work, and how and where best to use it is an afterthought. As for cybersecurity, it is regarded as an IT issue, they say. If a lawyer overlooks the cybersecurity issues, Yu said, then they are glossing over important technical details which can harm a client.
The conversation concludes on the point that when it comes to 'tech lawyers', it certainly seems that, generally speaking in APAC, those practitioners that market themselves well have the biggest platforms and the loudest voices and are, therefore, regarded as authorities in their respective fields.
Clearly. there are times where there is no substitute for the right kind of technical background. For example, as Donald Day recalls, patent litigators not infrequently have to deal with solicitors who don’t understand the tech and those solicitors soon become a hindrance.
Both guests underscore the lingering perception that it is not ideal to engage in IP-related litigation in Hong Kong because of the lack of talent; even if a specialist carefully explains something to a solicitor, the latter will invariably get it wrong or simply not understand the subject matter.
Ronald Yu is the director and co-founder at MakeBell Limited. He is also a visiting fellow at the City University of Hong Kong's (CityU's) School of Law and a part-time law lecturer at Peking University.
Donald Day is the chief operating officer of FinTech start-up firm VDX, which is building a digital asset eco-system for institutional investors.
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Episode 43 with guest Jon Solorzano, Vinson & Elkins
Jon Solorzano is a Los Angeles-based attorney who serves as counsel and co-head of the environmental, social, and governance (ESG) task force at the law firm of Vinson & Elkins. Prior to this role, he served as senior director for legal and corporate development at the Clorox Company.
Beyond ESG, Jon is also a highly sought-after thought leader with significant expertise in related fields such as M&A, corporate governance, securities regulation, corporate and business development, consumer products, technology, human capital management, business financial strategy, and international matters for both high-growth start-ups and established Fortune 500 companies.
Few topics are as vexatious and polarizing in contemporary times as the acronym ESG. Legendary investors such as Warren Buffet and his second-in-command, the late Charlie Munger, along with other prominent corporate and finance figures, argue that ESG should not be a consideration in investment decisions.
Against this backdrop, Jon discusses with Regulatory Ramblings host Ajay Shamdasani why ESG matters to investors, companies, and society, alongside corporate social responsibility (CSR) and diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI). He stresses that while these concepts and movements are related and overlap to some degree, they are not necessarily the same thing. Indeed, Jon notes that those who coined the term ESG might have garnered more support for their cause had they emphasized (G)overnance rather than (E)nvironmental, as even skeptics of global warming can appreciate the importance of well-governed companies and how that affects share prices.
Jon also shares insights into his upbringing, background, and path into the legal profession, as well as how, as a transactional lawyer, he ended up leading his firm’s ESG practice.
While acknowledging the concerns of ESG detractors and naysayers, Jon predicts that 10-15 years from now, the nature of the debate and discussion will be very different. By then, few will even question the importance of ESG to the world’s well-being, he says, as millennials and Zoomers take over the reins of society in developed countries.
A telling sign that Jon's predictions are accurate is that for younger investors, ESG definitely matters as a yardstick in gauging what constitutes a socially conscious and sustainable investment.
The conversation concludes by examining the extent to which ESG mandates intersect with financial regulation, and why banking and financial institutions globally need to take ESG as seriously as their regulatory compliance and risk management requirements.
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Episode 42 - Jonathan Crompton, Reynolds, Porter & Chamberlain
Jonathan Crompton is a Hong Kong-based partner at the law firm of Reynolds, Porter & Chamberlain (RPC) where he helps companies and individuals navigate complex cross-border disputes and investigations involving their Asian operations, specialising in commercial matters (in particular for the retail industry), financial services and technology related disputes and cyber incidents.
And as the lead for RPC’s 'ReSecure' cyber incident response service in Asia, he advises local and multinational clients on cyber-attacks, data privacy and law enforcement investigations, as well as helping clients across the globe to recover money transferred to Hong Kong bank accounts as a result of cyber and other frauds.
Jonathan advises on all forms of disputes including litigation before national courts and arbitral tribunals operating under various rules (in particular, the HKIAC, ICC and UNCITRAL), and on investigations by regulators (notably financial services regulators such as the Securities and Futures Commission). His clients include senior individuals, asset managers, and leading multi-national corporations and brands. As a result of RPC's predominantly 'conflict-free' model for financial services disputes, Jonathan represents senior individuals and companies in claims brought by or against leading banks where other firms are often unable to act.
He is also a founding member of the Hong Kong chapter of the Crypto Fraud and Asset Recovery (CFAAR) network, the first global association for such professionals. The London chapter was launched in London in 2021, with the Hong Kong chapter formed in August 2022.
In this episode of Regulatory Ramblings, Jonathan chats with host Ajay Shamdasani about his background, upbringing and how he ended up in the legal profession. The bulk of the conversation, however, is devoted to data protection and digital assets, specifically the February raid of the offices of WorldCoin by the Hong Kong Office of the Privacy Commissioner (PCPD). They discuss the PCPD’s expression of concern about WorldCoin's collection and storage of iris scans in exchange for its WorldCoin token (WLD).
As Jonathan points out, the case was a clear example of the increasing intersection of personal data protection principles and digital assets. The conversation also covers his recent LinkedIn post in which he stated that the Privacy Commissioner Ada Chung’s action was further proof that she was flexing her existing powers – even before the amendments to the territory’s Personal Data (Privacy) Ordinance are expected to be enacted within the next year.
They also discuss what shape Jonathan envisages those amendments taking, as well as what cases he has seen in his practice in recent times involving virtual assets, digital contracts and cybersecurity, as well as related emerging methodologies, trends and themes.
USEFUL LINKS
Jonathan Crompton on RPC page and on LinkedIn
CFAAR – About Us
PCPD warning on World Coin ProjectNew book - FinTech: Finance, Technology & Regulation
HKU-SCF Fintech Academy
Asia Global Institute
Professional Certificate in FinTech
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Madhurima Mukherjee Saha
Partner, J Sagar Associates
Madhurima Mukherjee is the New Delhi-based head of the J Sagar Associates law firm’s capital markets division. She has over two decades of experience in securities offerings in both the domestic and international markets – including initial public offerings (IPOs), further offers, rights offers, qualified institutional placements and block trades.
Sometimes referred as India’s “queen of capital markets,” Madhurima has been part of some of the country’s highest profile capital raising efforts, including the 2010 Coal India IPO, which eventually raised over US$ 2.5 billion and remains one of India’s largest IPOs.
Prior to joining JSA, she was a Senior Partner at AZB & Partners until April 2020. She has also worked with Luthra & Luthra as a national head and partner until 2013 and before that, she was a partner at the firm of Amarchand & Mangaldas & Suresh A. Shroff & Co, as a partner until 2006.
Madhurima had taken credit courses and some seminars in Capital Markets at The West Bengal National University of Juridical Sciences and National Law School, New Delhi.
Given that India is currently in strong growth mode compared to much of the rest of the world, it’s no surprise that such an environment has birthed a budding start-up scene. Indeed, in the three-plus decades since the Indian economy liberalized, even more young entrepreneurs have arrived on the scene – many with dreams of becoming publicly listed companies via the IPO route. Yet, being a developing nation, myriad challenges remain for start-ups seeking public listings in India, which Madhurima delineates in her chat this episode with Regulatory Ramblings host Ajay Shamdasani.
She discusses how she found her way in the legal profession, her passion for working with startups and the challenges that they face in India beyond those of legal, regulatory, financial/liquidity and managerial issues. Madhurima stresses the challenges of getting and retaining talent, as well as the degree of governmental support – or the lack thereof – in the form of red tape, tax and support programs that Indian startups face.
The conversation concludes with her views on how the Securities Exchange Board of India (SEBI) – the country’s capital markets watchdog – can improve securities and listing rules to make it easier for the country’s startups to go public.
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Ep 40 - Neha Mehta, Founder & CEO, FemTech Partners
Neha Mehta is a member of the department of mathematics at Nanyang Technological University in Singapore. She also teaches in that institution’s Master of Science program in FinTech.
Among her interests are financial inclusion using FinTech as a vehicle to achieve it, as well as climate sustainability, innovating for a blue economy and greener future, and encouraging more women to enter the tech space – evidenced by her work with the group SG Women In Tech.
Neha is also a FinTech lawyer, former diplomat, and social entrepreneur, in addition to being the author of a new book called “One Stop” on the topic of Super Apps.
As she points out new software applications are churned out every day to respond to meet people’s needs. “Super Apps,” she says, are apps that allow users to access several services from one single application. Super Apps like Grab and WeChat are gaining popularity and tech giants and FinTechs looking to stake their claim in this digital revolution. In “One Stop,” Neha traces the history of Super Apps and analyses the cultural differences in their adoption and popularity – and in some cases, the lack thereof – in the East versus the West. Through stories of well-known Super Apps and in-depth interviews with central banks, entrepreneurs, and FinTech industry experts, Neha’s book illustrates how the Super App revolution disrupts, innovates and creates opportunities.
With the COVID-19 pandemic as a background highlighting the need to move to digital platforms, “One Stop” also examines how Super Apps can potentially create an inclusive and sustainable world for all, in a future that looks increasingly digital.
With that as a launching pad, Neha shares with Regulatory Ramblings host Ajay Shamdasani about her upbringing in Bangalore, as well as how she first got interested in matters of financial inclusion, climate sustainability, the green economy and women in tech, and what she sees as the interconnections between them – namely, economic growth and good stewardship of the planet.
The discussion also delves into creating talent pools in the tech entrepreneur and/corporate realms with an eye towards seeing more women at the decision-making table in boardrooms. A key part of the equation, Neha says, is getting more females enrolled in STEM subjects earlier in life. In that vein, she stresses the need for policy frameworks incentivizing parents of young girls to send them to schools which are focused on how they can be software engineers, or enter the emergent fields of artificial intelligence or data management.
She goes on to share her views about the tech ecosystem and entrepreneurial environment in Singapore, drawing on her experiences. In 2019, Neha set up a company called FemTech Partners with the aim of representing women in tech – especially the fintech space. The focus was on how to make them financially resilient and receive the pro bono mentorship they need.
The conversation includes Neha’s thoughts on being a member of the math faculty at NTU, as well as summarizing the key conclusions, observations and policy recommendations of her book.
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Yesha Yadav is the Milton R. Underwood Chair at Vanderbilt Law School, the Robert Belton Director of Diversity, Equity and Community and , and Associate Dean in addition to being a Professor of Law and Faculty Co-Director of the school’s LLM program at Vanderbilt University Law School.
Her research interests are in financial market and securities regulation, and corporate bankruptcy law – focusing on market structure, exchange design, payments, digital asset regulation, distressed debt and restructuring.
Before joining Vanderbilt's law faculty in 2011, Yesha worked as a legal counsel with the World Bank in its finance, private-sector development and infrastructure unit, where she specialized in financial regulation and insolvency, and debtor-creditor rights. Before joining the World Bank in 2009, she practiced from 2004-08 in the London and Paris offices of Clifford Chance in the firm's financial regulation and derivatives group. As part of her work in the area of payments regulation, she advised the European Payments Council on the establishment of the Single Euro Payments Area.
Since joining Vanderbilt, Yesha has served as an honorary advisor to India’s Financial Services Law Reform Commission and on the Atlantic Council’s Task Force on Divergence, Transatlantic Financial Reform and G-20 Agenda. She has served as a member of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission’s Technology Advisory Committee, where she sat on the Distributed Ledger Technology and Algorithmic Trading Subcommittees.
She earned an MA in Law and Modern Languages at the University of Cambridge, after which she earned an LLM at Harvard Law School. She was a Vanderbilt University Chancellor Faculty Fellow for 2019-21
In this episode of Regulatory Ramblings, she chats with host Ajay Shamdasani on the future of money and the shape currency and payment mechanisms will take in the coming decade. Money and payments have experienced a significant redesign over the last decade with money becoming increasingly digital cash use declining rapidly – especially since the pandemic, in countries like Sweden and urban China where cashlessness is the norm.
Yesha shares her views on technologies combining digital banking and smartphones spurring a rapid restructuring of the payments architecture for everyday consumers and businesses. The conversation looks at the design of payment systems, the inefficiencies that exist even as such systems have been scaled – including financial exclusion for lower income communities and communities of color – as well as the efficacy of emerging digital asset solutions such as stablecoins, where tokenized representations of currencies like US dollar or the Euro move on rapidly computer networks (blockchains), transferring money in minutes and cheaply.
The discussion moves on to exploring the risks emerging with a highly bank centric payments system (as is the case in the US less so in EU). As shown in the U.S. in March 2023, bank collapses mean that payment systems can also be disrupted (e.g., the collapse of Signature Bank caused a big disruption to the Signet payment system). Further, money kept by non-bank payment providers at US banks was also in peril where accounts exceeded the federal insurance limit (e.g., Circle had over US$3 billion in cash reserves held at SVB).
The chat concludes with Yesha’s thoughts some of the tensions arising from the current trend toward digitization and the potential for blockchain-based decentralized finance to take off and gain more mainstream acceptance.
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Lisa Nestor is a Los Angeles-based fintech expert and pioneer in the field of electronic payments. She currently serves as the chief strategy officer at AirTM. Under her watch, AirTM has successfully facilitated over 26 million transactions, and expanded access to commerce to international businesses both large and small, creating a user-friendly tool benefiting millions of people worldwide.
After just a year in the FinTech field, Lisa introduced by a UCLA professor from her MBA days, to Jed Michaela, then CEO of the Stellar Development Foundation - a non-profit foundation supporting the Stellar ledger: an open, decentralized blockchain ledger focused on payments and providing open financial infrastructure. Before transitioning to AirTM, Lisa spent five and half years at Stellar, where she focused on partnerships and later, ecosystem development. As she puts it, the beauty of AirTM is that it leverages Stellar ledger.
With a passion for innovation, implementation and strategy within the shifting fintech landscape, Lisa’s knowledge is much sought after by entrepreneurs, developers and C-Suite executives.
In this episode of Regulatory Ramblings, she talks to our host Ajay Shamdasani about her time in the Peace Corps, how she got into FinTech and payment systems as a ‘non-techie’ as well as AirTM’s long term goals and achievements thus far. Their conversation also delves into how firms operating in the FinTech and crypto realms should they adjust their business strategies to factor in digital money and cross-border payments and the attendant regulations that go along with them.
Lisa also shares her views on financial inclusion, making money easily accessible and immediately available, and utility of decentralized ledgers. She also talks about the challenges of operating across 190 countries with 400 unique payment methods globally. The discussion underscores the need for proper cross-border payment infrastructure to support the digital economy, which begs the question – who will set the rules of such new financial architecture – the industry or governments?
The conversation concludes with Lisa’s thoughts on stablecoin digital currencies outside national currencies (especially amongst those concerned about digital financial sovereignty), whether self-custody wallets the solution to digital financial sovereignty and what parts of the world beyond Dubai are worth watching for developments in FinTech and payment systems.
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In our latest Regulatory Ramblings episode, Anandaday Misshra meticulously unpacked India's groundbreaking Digital Personal Data Protection Act 2023 (DPDPA). The legislation, signifying a significant stride for India in the digital era, emphasizes individual empowerment over personal data while imposing stringent guidelines for responsible data handling. Anand sheds light on the comparison between the DPDPA and the EU's GDPR, examining their similarities and potential conflicts. The discussion with host Ajay Shamdasani extends to the potential impact on legal and compliance staff in banking, financial institutions, and multinational corporations operating in India.
Anand, founder and managing director of AMLEGALS, provides depth to the conversation with his 27 years of expertise, specializing in arbitration, data protection, contracts, employment law, taxation, and white-collar crime.
Regulatory Ramblings podcasts is brought to you by The University of Hong Kong - Reg/Tech Lab, HKU-SCF Fintech Academy, Asia Global Institute, and HKU-edX Professional Certificate in Fintech, with support from the HKU Faculty of Law (celebrating 55 years of excellence).
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Marc I. Steinberg is the Rupert and Lillian Radford Chair in Law and Professor of Law at Southern Methodist University’s (SMU) Dedman School of Law in Dallas, Texas. He has served as a professor, fellow or has lectured at several other prominent universities – including the University of Cambridge, Oxford University, King’s College-University of London, Heidelberg University, Stockholm University, University of Tel Aviv, Moscow State University, University of Sydney, Auckland University, University of Hong Kong, University of Tokyo, UCLA and the University of Pennsylvania.
Professor Steinberg was an attorney for the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) in the SEC’s Division of Enforcement and its Office of General Counsel. He also has been retained as an expert witness in several high-profile cases, including Enron, Martha Stewart, Mark Cuban, and the National Prescription Opioid Litigation.
Marc is the most prolific author of securities law scholarship in the United States, having authored approximately 150 law review articles as well as approximately 45 books. One of his recent books, Rethinking Securities Law (Oxford University Press 2021), was awarded Winner for the best law book in the United States for 2021 by American Book Fest. He is editor-in-chief of The International Lawyer and The Securities Regulation Law Journal. Professor Steinberg is a member of The American Law Institute.
In this episode of Regulatory Ramblings, he talks with host Ajay Shamdasani about his background, growing up in Detroit, Michigan, being hired by the SEC as a staff attorney during the federal hiring freeze imposed during the Carter administration and what he learned during his time as an enforcement lawyer there.
Marc also shares his views on why he believes the United States’ regulatory structure is a key component in the success of its capital markets, as well as his thoughts on the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act (1995), the Sarbanes Oxley Act (2002) and the Dodd-Frank Act (2010), and whether overlaying rules upon rules makes the U.S. regulatory system complex and unwieldy.
The conversation concludes on the topic of legal pedagogy, such as how best to teach core, doctrinal, foundational financial law courses such as securities regulation, as well as the topic of legal ethics and what can be done to inculcate such values into future law school graduates. Also discussed is the four-tier structure of U.S. law schools and the contemporary pervasiveness of grade inflation in academia more generally.
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Martin James Wallis has a deep understanding and vocation for thwarting financial crime. Currently, he serves as COO at financial crime consultancy FINTRAIL in Singapore. In that capacity, he supports FINTRAIL's efforts to provide practical and inclusive solutions in the global fight against financial crime.
Before joining FINTRAIL, Martin enjoyed a 22-year career in the British Army's Intelligence Corps, holding various specialised intelligence and security roles in support of military operations worldwide – including being based in Northern Ireland and at the British Embassy in Beijing. He holds a degree in Global Business Management from Bournemouth University and an Executive MBA from Quantic School of Business and Technology.
In this episode of Regulatory Ramblings, Martin shares more about his background, how he got into consulting and his family history of military service. He talks to host Ajay Shamdasani the types of personalities that do well in AML/KYC and financial crime compliance, how to manage and lead them to serve their greatest purpose, and how to handle the ego issues that often arise when overseeing capable, high achieving performers. Their conversation concludes on how ESG connects to financial crime and how solving such problems goes a long way toward fighting such transgressions. Martin stresses that such offenses are not a victimless matter.
Regulatory Ramblings podcasts is brought to you by The University of Hong Kong - Reg/Tech Lab, HKU-SCF Fintech Academy, Asia Global Institute, and HKU-edX Professional Certificate in Fintech, with support from the HKU Faculty of Law.
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At the heart of Dr. Bryane Michael’s conversation with Regulatory Ramblings host Ajay Shamdasani is whether FinTech can help solve the social, financial, and economic problems previous generations like the Baby Boomers contributed to. They discuss whether Gen-Z's potentially decentralized world of finance will look radically different from ours.
Gen-Zers and now Gen Alpha will grow up in a world designed and run almost exclusively by baby boomers. The DBS power outage was supposedly partly caused by a 'missing generation' unable to take charge during the crisis. Why have huge, octogenarian, organizational men-created lumbering bureaucracies that FinTech has been having problems shaping?
Economists have struggled to understand why organizations exist for almost a century. Massive central banks, financial supervisors, regulators and now new stability boards pile on to gigantic financial services firms like Blackrock, Visa, and Allianz. Most of us distrust them. Scale has financial benefits even outside the financial sector – as Google and YouTube show. And there are no signs to show this trend abating. Pay apps on our mobile phones must still go through the same old architectures – using the same old rules.
When you turn on MetaMask and use Ethereum, you get a whole different feeling of the Internet. Thousands of decentralized autonomous organizations, or DAOs, are creating tokens that can be almost anything you want them to be.
Bryane shares an alternative view of finance and the economy in a decentralized finance (DeFi) world. All too often, we only hear the conservative viewpoints about FinTech. Yet, the law and economics of DeFi could look very different from what’s currently envisaged. The discussion centers around the, broadly speaking, two schools of thought on FinTech regulation – namely, the conservative (IMF/BIS) perspective versus the Web3/evangelistic viewpoints.
This conversation also covers whether DeFi can solve the “public goods” (missing regulators) problem and create trustless local financial markets, as well as what will FinTech and RegTech mean for traditional property rights and the implications of computer code as law. The two also discuss who the winners of the brave new world of FinTech in the mid-21st century will be and what it might mean for Generation Z/the Zoomers.
Bryane stresses that there is a better way to implement FinTech than to just computerize legacy financial institutions. However, he also shares his concerns about young people’s lack of say in shaping the financial architecture that will govern their generation “because the current approach simply shoves existing law onto digital markets instead of creating digitally native finance.”
The chat concludes with a discussion about what four decades of debate have meant for cross-border payments as the issue remains a challenge in much of the world.
About the Guest: Dr. Bryane Michael is a senior research fellow at HKU’s Faculty of Law. He also taught at Oxford University’s Said Business School. An economist and jurist by training, Bryane has been in finance most of his life. In recent times, his focus has been on trying to understand how Web3-based FinTech can help push sustainable development.
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