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In this episode we talk about Wordware, programming with LLMs, and what it now means to be a developer. Robert and Filip explain how they're building tools that let non-engineers create AI workflows, why the definition of 'developer' is changing in the AI era, and their vision for background agents that automate your work while you focus on creative tasks.
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- Wordware
- Wordware Sauna Waitlist
- Wordware is hiring
- Filip Kozera
- Robert ChandlerThis episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
P.s. thanks to Oana Olteanu for making it happen
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Tony Holdstock-Brown is the CEO and founder of Inngest, a tool to run AI and backend workflows at scale.
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
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- Inngest
- Tony's (inactive) LinkedIn
- Traction bookNote: the studio lost video footage about 20 minutes in. Sorry about that. Audio is fine though.
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Utpal Nadiger is the cofounder of Digger.dev. Digger built a popular open source IaC orchestration tool. Their new product Infrabase is an AI DevOps agent that scans IaC code in your pull requests.
We talk about SF, resiliency and pivoting.
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Utpal Digger Tavus (lipsync)This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
Why/how we lipsynced:
The (amazing) studio accidentally had Utpal's camera switched off for the first 20 minutes. So I lipsynced the audio onto the latter part of the video. You can probably notice if you look closely. And also his gestures don't always look congruent because of the lipsyncing. But overall, incredible tech from Tavus - much better than a blank screen in my opinion! -
Steve Ruiz is the founder of tldraw - a whiteboard SDK / infinite canvas SDK. We talk creativity, taste and obsession. And marketing to developers.
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
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Luke Harries leads growth at ElevenLabs. ElevenLabs builds incredible AI voice models. Luke dives into why launches matter so much, the origin story of ElevenLabs and why a hackathon can change your life.
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Luke Harries ElevenLabsThis episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
P.s. I used Eleven Labs without any edits for the transcript/subtitles.
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Elston Baretto is the founder of Tiiny.host - the simplest place to put your work online. In this episode we talk about how Elston has been able to grow Tiiny to 70,000+ sign ups per month with content marketing.
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
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- Tiiny.host
- Elston Baretto
- Ramen Club
- Charlie Ward
- Sabba
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Eric Allam is the cofounder of Trigger.dev. Trigger gives you open source background jobs. We talk about how Trigger iterated different versions until landing on something developers really want. And now the growth is crazy. And also, I use Trigger and it's genuinely a great product.
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
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Kyle is the cofounder of Depot. Depot accelerates your Docker image builds and GitHub Actions workflows.
Kyle shares how Depot were able to grow to $1M ARR and beyond with a very lean team.
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
Depot Kyle Galbraith
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This episode is a deep dive into DevTools marketing with Jason Lengstorf, founder of CodeTV.
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Jason on XCodeTVJason's YouTubeThis episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
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This episode is with Sunil Pai. He works at Cloudflare after his startup PartyKit was acquired. Previously he was on the React core team at Meta.
He's a great guy. And obsessed with AI agents.
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
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- Sunil Pai on X
- Sunil Pai's site
- Building agents with Cloudflare
- PartyKit
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Thomas Paul Mann is the cofounder of Raycast. I use Raycast every day as a replacement for Spotlight. For me, shortcuts are the most useful feature. I put curl requests I commonly use as well as random things like email snippets. It's a massive time saver and really well built.
Raycast is a genuinely well built product so Thomas talks quality, getting feedback and how they ship features.
We also talk about their unique YC experience and how they've been building AI into Raycast.
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
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RaycastRaycast Extensions StoreTerminal Coffee x RaycastThomas on Twitter/X -
Russ D’Sa is the founder of LiveKit. They are an open source tool for real time audio and video for LLM applications and they power the voice chat for ChatGPT and Character AI.
We discuss:
- How lightning works (using ChatGPT/LiveKit)
- How LiveKit started working with OpenAI
- Why Russ turned down an early 20m acquisition offer
- What it’s like to work with the fastest growing company (ever?)
- How to prepare for massive scale challenges
- Russ’s 3 letter twitter handleThis episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign-On and audit logs.
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- LiveKit
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Pete Hamilton and Chris Evans are cofounders of Incident.io. Incident is an incident management tool.
We discuss:
How they think about brand and how it comes from their deep understanding of incident cultureLawrence’s article asking for new macbooks that went viralGallows humor in incidents Why incident.io started on Heroku despite being an incident response platform—and why “shipping fast” mattered more than “scaling perfectly.”The benefit of building for users who are just like youHow Incident is using GenAIThis episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign-On and audit logs.
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Pete Hamilton on Twitter Chris Evans on TwitterIncident Macbook articleThe flight plan that brought UK airspace to its kneesHow Netflix drives reliability across their organizationNote: this was recorded on 13th December 2024.
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David Cramer, co-founder of Sentry talks M&As and why they should be utilized more when you don’t achieve huge success. Plus we talk about the importance of good branding.
We discuss:
The biggest mistake small startup founders make by not exploring potential acquisitions.The role of ego in startupsProduct-market-fitHiring entrepreneurial talent and why acqui-hiring is so big.The significance of branding beyond just marketing – how it builds trust, recognition, and demand.Sentry’s approach to branding, emphasizing authenticity, community, and accessibility.What DevTools can learn from Liquid Death and PorscheWhy brand mattersThis episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign-On and audit logs. https://workos.com/
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Ramon, creator of Raylib, joins us to discuss his journey from building an educational tool to establishing one of the most popular open-source game engines. As of February 2025, Raylib is the second most popular open-source game engine behind Godot, boasting 25,000 GitHub stars, 13,000 Discord community members, and over 8,000 subreddit members. Ramon has transitioned from lecturing and consulting to focusing on his paid tools built around Raylib.
We discuss:
How Raylib started as a teaching project to help art students learn programming through simple and intuitive function naming.The active community behind Raylib and how Ramon personally engages with new members, contributing to the project's growth.Why simplicity and not making assumptions about prior knowledge can create a strong foundation for both beginners and experienced developers.The benefits of using a low-level library like Raylib versus higher-level game engines like Unity, particularly for small indie games.Ramon's approach to managing his workload as a solo developer, emphasizing organization, automation, and using his own tools to build tools.His method of testing new tools by quickly launching them, observing market response, and iterating on the most successful ones.The importance of enjoying the process of building an open-source project rather than focusing solely on commercial success.This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs. https://workos.com/
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Raylib (https://www.raylib.com/)Cat and Onion game (https://store.steampowered.com/app/2781210/CAT__ONION/)Raylib GitHub (https://github.com/raysan5/raylib)Raylib Discord (https://discord.gg/raylib)Raylib Subreddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/raylib/)Ramon's Tools (https://raylibtech.com/tools/) -
Maxim Fateev and Samar Abbas from Temporal join us to discuss how their durable execution platform ensures processes complete reliably at scale.
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How Temporal gained enterprise adoption with companies like Airbnb, HashiCorp, and Snapchat.Why Temporal compensates salespeople based on customer consumption.Temporal’s role in Snapchat’s story processing and Taco Bell’s Taco Tuesday scalability.How Temporal earns enterprise trust through security, reliability, and scalability.The structure of Temporal’s sales team and their focus on long-term customer success.Exciting trends in AI and low-code/no-code development.This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
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Nikita Shamgunov is the founder of Neon, an open-source serverless Postgres company. Before Neon, Nikita co-founded MemSQL, now SingleStore, which is valued at over a billion dollars. He has also worked as a VC at Khosla Ventures and held engineering roles at Meta and Microsoft. Nikita is known for his strategic thinking and transparency about his decision-making process.
The importance of storytelling and providing a clear narrative for your companyWhen to introduce a sales team and how to build a sales and marketing "machine"Pricing strategies, including pricing for storage and compute in the data and analytics spaceThe evolution of revenue models in DevTools: from selling seats and storage/compute to selling tokensLessons learned from hiring MongoDB’s VP of Engineering, focusing on improving reliability and building strong team management processesThe benefits of using a high-quality recruiting firm and avoiding the pitfalls of bad hiresBalancing competitiveness with respect for competitors to maintain credibility, particularly in the developer tools marketThe idea of “developing your taste” in product development, inspired by Guillermo Rauch from VercelHow modern dev tools can monetize through seats, storage/compute, or tokens, with tokens currently being the most profitableWhy Nikita advises DevTools founders to understand the business model framework and align it with their strategy
We discuss:This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
NeonSingleStore Khosla Ventures Fusion Talent
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David Placek from Lexicon - the man who named Vercel and Azure - explains the importance of selecting a name that goes beyond simply describing what a product does. He shares what you can do to come up with a great name.
We cover:
Common Naming Pitfalls: Discusses why names that merely describe a product or service fail to capture imagination and differentiation.The Strategic Impact of a Name: Explains how a well-chosen name can deliver significant returns on investment by reinforcing brand behavior and market positioning.Sound Symbolism and Cognitive Science: Covers research into how letter sounds (for example, the “V” in Vercel) influence perception and contribute to a name’s effectiveness.The Naming Process: Details the rigorous process behind naming—from trademark searches and legal reviews to global linguistic evaluations and whiteboard sessions with clients.Advice for Early-Stage Founders: Encourages startups to first define their market behavior and the change they intend to create. The right name will emerge from a clear strategic vision.This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
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Mitchell Hashimoto - famously the founder of HashiCorp (creators of Terraform, Vault etc.) joins the show to discuss his latest open-source project, Ghostty, a modern terminal emulator.
We discuss:
Designing dev tools with a focus on human experience.Taking on large technical projects and breaking them down into achievable steps.Open source sustainability and the role of financial support.The impossible goal of building a perfect human experience with software.Passion and hiring—why obsession with a topic often leads to the best hires.Using AI as a developer and why Mitchell considers AI tooling essential.The motivation behind Ghostty and the idea of "technical philanthropy."The vision for libghostty as a reusable terminal core for other applications.This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs. https://workos.com/
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Ghostty (https://ghostty.org/)Mitchell Hashimoto on Twitter (https://twitter.com/mitchellh)Mitchell’s blog (https://mitchellh.com/) -
Guillermo Rauch is the founder of Vercel. Vercel is a cloud infra platform so easy to use that it’s almost become a category: “I’m building the Vercel of X”.
Vercel also recently launched v0 which is potentially the next evolution of web development - type what you want and it builds it and deploys it for you.
He’s also the creator Next.js, socket.io and a ton of other open source tools and startups. Plus he’s a prolific investor in DevTools.
I’ve missed a ton of his achievements here but essentially, he’s the king of DevTools and you probably know him already.
What we talk about
- Why Guillermo bets on people who ship
- What AI has in common with Prettier
- v0 puts design first
- Saying ‘not yet’ is a boss move
- Why Guillermo thinks devs won’t lose their jobs
- How you can learn product building
- Why you should be careful when hiring from rocketships - not everyone was in the control room
- The value of people having a full stack skill set. And why communication is more important than ever
- Why it’s so important to explain what you do in simple terms
- Tools Guillermo is excited about right nowLinks:
- Guillermo Rauch
- Vercel
- v0
- NextJS
- Socket.IO
- Browserbase
- LiveKit
- LanguineThis episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs. https://workos.com/
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