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In one of the strangest scandals to hit the CPG world, BetterBrand, the startup behind the high-protein, low-carb “Better Bagel,” is now facing lawsuits, unpaid debts… and a missing founder. The hosts weigh in on the chaos surrounding entrepreneur Aimee Yang and her calamitous company. They also discuss a new, seemingly BFY beverage alcohol segment and why protein donuts deserve better ingredients.
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0:35: Hoste-ing In Chicago. Moldy, Mired, Messy. A Refreshing ABV? Inhale & Gag. Red Dye Donuts. – The hosts announce Taste Radio’s Chicago meetup, which will take place on August 14 at Hoste Cocktails’ event space in the Windy City’s Pilsen neighborhood. They also delve into the controversy surrounding BetterBrand, whose problems have earned it comparisons to Theranos. The team also explores the rise of “hard refreshers,” alcoholic beverages with packaging similar to sports drinks, raising concerns over consumer confusion. Meanwhile Liquid Death’s spicy novelty drink, “Deathberry Inferno,” gets mixed reviews for flavor but praise for marketing. The group samples nostalgic FatBoy ice cream treats and discusses the contrast between some function-centric foods, comparing Purely Elizabeth’s new clean-label oatmeals over protein donuts made with artificial ingredients.
Brands in this episode: BetterBrand, Athletic Brewing, AriZona, Spindrift, BeatBox, BuzzBallz, Happy Thursday, Lightstrike, Prime, Mas+ by Messi, Liquid Death, Paqui, Vernors, Whistlepig, FatBoy Ice Cream, Legendary Foods, Purely Elizabeth
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When Ghost co-founders Dan Lourenco and Ryan Hughes launched their fitness and lifestyle brand in 2016, they weren’t chasing headlines or quick exits. They were trying to build a company that felt like a movement.
From the outset, Ghost resonated with a younger, influencer-savvy audience drawn to its bold, candy- and snack-inspired fitness supplements – flavors like Warhead and Sour Patch Kids brought a nostalgic twist to recovery powders and wellness products. Building on this momentum, the brand expanded into energy and hydration beverages, achieving broad distribution across major U.S. and international retailers while cultivating a strong direct-to-consumer presence. In a significant endorsement of its growth and potential, Keurig Dr Pepper acquired a 60% stake in the company for $990 million in October, with plans to purchase the remaining 40% by 2028.
So how did a company that deliberately avoided a traditional marketing playbook become a household name in sports nutrition and energy?
In a candid conversation, Dan pulls back the curtain on Ghost’s rise — from behind-the-scenes YouTube videos to blockbuster licensing deals and national shelf space. He explains why authenticity remains the brand’s North Star — and why, for Ghost, that goes beyond simply being founder-led. Dan also reflects on the personal journey behind the business: how stepping away from social media helped him regain focus, and what scaling a brand taught him about leadership, growth, and staying grounded.
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0:25: Dan Lourenco, Co-Founder & CEO, Ghost – Dan talks about Ghost’s mission to become a “100-year brand” built on authenticity, innovation, and community, and how, despite selling a majority stake to Keurig Dr Pepper (KDP), Ghost has retained its founder-led identity. He also discusses why the brand’s growth has been rooted in transparency rather than traditional marketing, how differentiation lies in purposeful innovation, and why the company approaches licensing more selectively than in the past. Dan explains how Ghost’s expansion into functional beverages was driven by organic customer behavior, and why he emphasizes staying nimble, preserving brand values, and maintaining a startup mindset. He also reflects on the challenges of founder wellness, learning to balance personal fulfillment with leadership, stepping back from personal social media and how he advises entrepreneurs to focus on what truly matters.
Brands in this episode: Ghost, Warheads, Sour Patch Kids, Skittles, Cinnabon
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Why did it take government pressure for Kraft Heinz to clean up its act? The hosts unpack the conglomerate’s pledge to drop artificial dyes from its products by 2027, and what it says about Big Food’s priorities. The episode also features interviews with the founders of two remarkable early-stage brands: Maura Duggan of Fancypants Baking Co. and Allison Elliott of Farmer Foodie.
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0:35: The Biggest Apple. Pin It, Emma. Hey, Big Food - Why Now? Gamey-Time. Clear Use Case. – The hosts review the recently held BevNET Live Summer 2025 in New York City and how the event reflected a sense of positive energy throughout the beverage industry as well as the growing power of founder-driven innovation to meet modern consumer demands. They also discuss Pinterest's foray into e-commerce via a co-branded coffee launch with Emma Chamberlain along with Kraft Heinz’s decision to remove artificial dyes by 2026 and whether companies should act proactively in response to clean label trends. Mike busts out some Berski, a new brand of ancestral meat sticks made with beef liver and heart, while John highlights Brightland’s new line of everyday olive oils.
26:06: Interview: Maura Duggan, Founder & CEO, Fancypants Baking Co. – Maura shares her journey from baking decorative cookies in her apartment in 2004 to launching a full-fledged CPG brand in 2024. She discusses the company's transition from fresh bakery sales to packaged consumer goods, emphasizing their commitment to high-quality, nut-free ingredients and their signature small, crunchy cookies. Maura highlights the strategic use of bright red packaging and a playful peacock mascot to stand out on shelves, the importance of limited-edition flavors to keep consumers engaged, and the advantages of self-manufacturing.
41:45: Interview: Alison Elliott, Founder & CEO, Farmer Foodie – Alison talks about the origins of Farmer Foodie, which is known for its shelf-stable, dairy-free and gluten-free Cashew Parm products, her background in farming and social impact and how she started Farmer Foodie as a food blog and transformed it into a CPG company during the pandemic. Alison also discusses overcoming the challenges of landing retail placement, differentiating in a nascent category, and her products’ appeal beyond vegan consumers.
Brands in this episode: Fancypants Baking Co., Farmer Foodie, Olipop, Liquid Death, Chamberlain Coffee, Top Of The Mornin’, Jell-O, Crystal Light, Kool-Aid, Berski, Archer, Yaza, Brightland, Graza, Mariona, Brez, Cann, Moshi, Kif
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While many founders chase the latest trends, Yannis Ouzounopoulos saw opportunity in an overlooked $4 billion category – and struck breakfast gold.
Yannis is the founder and CEO of Olyra, a fast-growing brand of organic breakfast bars and biscuits inspired by his family’s fifth-generation flour milling business in Greece. Launched in 2017, Olyra was born from Yannis’ conviction that the U.S. breakfast bar aisle – vast but stagnant – was ripe for disruption. His solution: better-for-you products made with ancient grains, authentic ingredients and significantly less sugar.
That vision proved prescient. Today, Olyra’s products can be found in thousands of retail locations across the U.S., including Whole Foods, Sprouts, Harris Teeter and The Fresh Market.
In this episode, Yannis shares the origin story behind Olyra and how both free and paid data sources helped shape the brand’s overall business approach, including product development, shelf strategy and consumer messaging. He also dives into why he prioritizes long-term thinking, the importance of staying close to the customer, and the ongoing process of refining taste and brand positioning.
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0:25: Yannis Ouzounopoulos, Founder & CEO, Olyra – Yannis shares his journey from Greece to New York City, detailing the early challenges of selling to independent retailers and his eventual strategic pivot to focus on larger retail chains. He explains how Olyra began as a diversification effort within his family’s heritage business, ultimately evolving into a brand designed to fill a white space in the $4 billion breakfast and snack bar category. Drawing on free and low-cost market data, Yannis crafted a more informed strategy, learning from early missteps—such as overly ambitious velocity projections. He emphasizes that product development is a continuous process, shaped by layered consumer feedback used to fine-tune taste, texture, and packaging. Yannis also describes how Olyra’s brand messaging evolved to highlight clearer nutritional benefits in response to shifting consumer preferences. He credits Charles Coristine of LesserEvil with inspiring his commitment to long-term brand building and a relentless focus on taste excellence.
Brands in this episode: Olyra, Belvita, RXBAR, Nature’s Bakery, Nutrigrain, LesserEvil
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Can a sober celebrity build a booming booze brand? The hosts dig into the paradox behind a high-profile actress and entrepreneur who doesn’t drink – but is betting big on alcohol. Plus, a tea company rooted in a 1930s family recipe is brewing something fresh with younger consumers. With a grassroots strategy and nostalgic appeal, could it be the next big thing for Gen Z and millennials?
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0:35: Live & Not In Person. Coffee Shots. Irony Vs. Authenticity. A $30M Joyride. Evil Does Good, Again. – Was BevNET Live Summer 2025 an amazing event? The hosts can’t be sure at this point. Wellness shot maker Sol-ti gets a big time partner in a deal that surprised some of the Taste Radio team. Ray goes on a classic rant about authenticity, but John tries to reel him in. Everyone is happy for BFY candy brand Joyride, as well as a new and healthier option for crunchy cheese snacks and an Indian food brand designed to create fast and convenient meals.
19:32: Kelley McShane, Owner, Granny Squibb's – Kelley discusses her journey into the beverage industry and her role in reviving and growing Granny Squibb’s. She discusses the New England-based iced tea brand’s mission-driven approach and how it emphasizes a grassroots growth strategy focused on the region before national expansion. Kelley also explains how the brand’s nostalgic packaging and premium ingredients help it stand out and her commitment to building a sustainable, socially impactful beverage company.
33:23: Interview: Daniel Danes, Founder & CEO, TITIN – Originally from Madrid and inspired by his great-grandmother "Titin," Daniel talks about his goal of bringing high-quality, traceable olive oil to the U.S. He discussed Titin’s distinctive purple squeeze bottle and how he’s attempting to build trust with younger consumers via transparency and taste, while keeping prices competitive. Daniel also highlights TITIN’s recent market launch in New England and why he believes the U.S. offers greater business potential than Spain.
Brands in this episode: Singing Pastures, Monsoon Kitchens, Granny Squibb’s, Titin, Farmer Foodie, Fancypants Baking Co., Joyride, Starbucks, Sol-ti, Spindrift, Brew Dr., Koia, Vive Organic, Betty Buzz, Betty Booze, Delola, Lesser Evil, Jack Daniel’s, Coca-Cola, Cheetos, Masala Gossip
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What do TikTok, Target, and African superfoods have in common?
They’ve all played a role in the remarkable resurgence of Kuli Kuli — the pioneering superfood brand founded in 2014 that introduced moringa to the U.S. market and is now carried in over 11,000 retail stores nationwide.
Once known primarily for its moringa products, Kuli Kuli has since expanded its portfolio and reintroduced itself with vibrant new packaging, a broader superfood lineup, and a renewed focus on flavor and accessibility.
Now found on shelves at Walmart, Target, and other major retailers, Kuli Kuli has traded in-store demos for a digital-first marketing strategy, including leveraging moringa’s surprise moment of virality on TikTok.
In this episode, founder and CEO Lisa Curtis shares the behind-the-scenes story of Kuli Kuli’s evolution — from navigating pandemic-era disruptions to spearheading a bold brand refresh that helped redefine the company’s mission and identity. She also unpacks what it took to guide the brand to profitability, why shedding the “moringa-only” label was crucial, and what she sees as the ultimate key to long-term success in the crowded wellness space.
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0:25: Lisa Curtis, Founder & CEO, Kuli Kuli – Lisa recaps the origins of Kuli Kuli, which began as a Peace Corps-inspired effort to introduce moringa to the U.S. market and support female farmers globally, and why the company underwent a rebranding to embrace a broader identity as a vibrant, climate-smart superfood company. She also discusses the entrepreneurial rollercoaster of a 10-year journey marked by early momentum, a major COVID-related revenue dip, and now a resurgence with projected revenue doubling. Lisa also explains how Kuli Kuli’s product innovation has matured, emphasizing a “fail fast” mindset, and how the company benefited from a surge in awareness about moringa and responded by producing its own science-backed educational content. She also admits that while the taste of moringa powder is not exactly a crowd-pleaser, Kuli Kuli has made strides to ensure their products either taste great on their own. Lisa also shares her personal strategies for managing entrepreneurial stress, including prioritizing health, travel, and cultural connection, why, despite being a capable fundraiser, she doesn’t want to raise more equity funding and her belief that the key to startup longevity is persistence.
Brands in this episode: Kuli Kuli
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Are they breakout stars or just... confusing? Pizza wine, salmon jerky, kava & mushroom-infused drinks, Gen Z-inspired peanut butter and “cheezy” puff snacks. Why we're thumbs up – or down – on buzzworthy new concepts in CPG. This episode also spotlights two remarkable women on a mission to elevate the way we eat: Holly Arbuckle of Singing Pastures and Swati Elavia of Monsoon Kitchens.
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0:35: Last Call. Coffee Comeback? Mo’ Money For David & Moment. Yes, No, Ugh? Good Data. – BevNET Live Summer 2025 is days away. Do you have your ticket? John thinks RTD coffee is back on track, but why? Ray highlights David’s $75M haul and purchase of a key supplier, as well as Moment’s new $5M round. What’s trending in Spate’s Q2 food & beverage data? Insiders already know. It’s a simple yes or no question, but we can’t help ourselves when it comes to new and innovative products.
39:06: Interview: Holly Arbuckle, CEO, Singing Pastures – Fresh off her win at Naturally New England’s Naturally Rising pitch competition, Holly shares the story behind Singing Pastures, a premium brand of fermented, slow-smoked meat sticks rooted in regenerative farming practices. She talks about her agricultural roots, the value of nutrient-dense food, and her vision for a more sustainable meat industry.
52:08: Interview: Swati Elavia, President, Monsoon Kitchens – A nutritionist with a deep love for Indian cuisine, Swati discusses Monsoon Kitchens’ journey from serving institutions to launching retail products. She reflects on the challenges of scaling, the importance of staying true to culinary traditions, and her commitment to offering clean-ingredient Indian meals.
Brands in this episode: Singing Pastures, Monsoon Kitchens, Starbucks, David, Moment, Brightland, Yellowtail, Mello, Bashi, One Trick Pony, Hippeas, Like Air, IQ Bar
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If the legacy food giants won’t evolve, Mason Dixie will do it for them – one honest, skillet-cooked meal at a time.
When Ayeshah Abuelhiga founded Mason Dixie Foods in 2014, she set out to deliver what people are truly hungry for: clean, craveable comfort food made without compromise. No preservatives. No shortcuts. Just real ingredients and real flavor.
Today, Mason Dixie offers a growing lineup of frozen biscuits, breakfast sandwiches, burritos, and fried chicken sandwiches – all made with fresh ingredients, real dairy, and no artificial ingredients, bleached flour or seed oils. The products are available in more than 6,000 stores across the country, including Whole Foods, Costco, Sprouts, Giant, Harris Teeter, and more.
In this episode, Ayeshah shares how she's taking on the legacy CPG heavyweights by building a bold, next-generation frozen food brand. She dives into how Mason Dixie harnesses consumer insights, rigorous cost discipline and category whitespace to develop new products. She also breaks down how the brand is reshaping the definition of “natural” for modern shoppers, proving it’s possible to scale with integrity, and lead with purpose, without ever compromising on what matters most.
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0:25: Ayeshah Abuelhiga, Founder & CEO, Mason Dixie Foods – Ayeshah and Ray chat about past conversations before the entrepreneur shares how operating outside traditional CPG hubs has allowed her Baltimore-based company to thrive with greater agility and efficiency, particularly in the wake of the pandemic. She reflects on Mason Dixie’s buzzworthy Expo West appearance, where she dressed as Colonel Sanders to promote new products and offers a candid critique of the natural foods industry. The conversation delves into the brand’s innovation strategy, including its expansion into sandwiches and burritos, and how the latter was developed to create a superior flavor and texture to existing products. Ayeshah explains how Mason Dixie benchmarks acceptable price points and only moves forward with products that can achieve cost efficiency through scale and criticizes large conglomerates like Tyson for their inefficient use of resources, while remaining open to partnerships that could help scale clean-label food. Beyond business, Ayeshah talks about how she finds purpose in the creative freedom of entrepreneurship and in mentoring underrepresented communities through nonprofit work.
Brands in this episode: Mason Dixie Foods, Mike's Hot Honey, Uncrustables, Compass Coffee
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Big ideas, bold flavors, and unfiltered insights—welcome to Austin, where the future of CPG is being written in real time. At Taste Radio’s Austin Meetup, we sat down with trailblazers and trendsetters redefining how brands are built and scaled. From Better Sour co-founder Bella Hughes to Torchy’s Tacos founder Mike Rypka and Snaxshot’s Andrea Hernández, these conversations explore what it really takes to innovate, connect with consumers, and lead with authenticity in a rapidly evolving industry.
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0:45: Buyers As Far As The Eye Can See. NNE FTW. Boiler Room. Caffeine, Protein & Pole-Caught Tuna. With BevNET Live just two weeks away, excitement is building as Casey’s joins a strong lineup of participating retailers, including Stop & Shop, Whole Foods Market, Circle K, H-E-B, The Goods Mart, and Top Ten Liquors. John and Ray recap the recent Naturally New England Naturally Rising event, which spotlighted standout emerging brands, including Singing Pastures and Farmer Foodie. Mike and John revisit their tour of Athletic Brewing’s HQ in Milford, CT, before the hosts riffed on consumer interest in dual-functionality products and a canned tuna brand grounded in sourcing transparency.
19:23: Interviews from Taste Radio’s Austin Meetup – Mike Rypka, the visionary founder of Torchy’s Tacos, shared his journey from launching a food trailer to building a nationally recognized franchise. Stephen Santangelo of Matriarch Wealth Management discussed how his firm helps CPG founders navigate the complexities of financial planning, particularly during critical growth and exit stages. Bella Hughes, co-founder of Better Sour, reflected on building a culturally inspired candy brand and the challenges of innovation in a legacy category. Andrea Hernández, the sharp mind behind Snaxshot, delivered an unfiltered perspective on food and beverage trends, highlighting the importance of authenticity and emotional resonance in brand storytelling. And Michelle Breyer, CMO of the Texas-based accelerator SKU, shed light on how the organization nurtures early-stage consumer brands, emphasizing the pivotal role of founder mindset and market fit in driving long-term success.
Brands in this episode: Better Sour, Torchy’s Tacos, Farmer Foodie, Monsoon Kitchens, Inc., Granny Squibb's, TITIN, Fancypants Baking Co., Singing Pastures, Athletic Brewing, Lucky Saint, 5-hour Energy, Ascent, Pole & Line, Fly By Jing, Siete, Wildwonder, Bachan’s, Daily Crunch, Leisure Hydration, BodyArmor, Vitaminwater, NoBull
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Dumpling Daughter isn’t just a food brand. It’s founder Nadia Liu Spellman’s heartfelt homage to family, culture and comfort. Her mission is simple but powerful: to make high-quality, restaurant-style comfort food accessible at home, while honoring the deep emotional ties that food can hold.
Launched in 2014. Dumpling Daughter began as a beloved local restaurant in the Boston area and has since expanded into a rapidly growing CPG brand featuring frozen dumplings, bao buns, and sauces that celebrate generational flavors.
In this episode, Nadia takes us on a journey from her Boston roots and business school days at Babson College to the high-pressure world of Wall Street — and ultimately, back to her cultural heritage in the kitchen.
Along the way, Nadia opens up about honoring her family's culinary legacy — including her mother’s legendary fine-dining restaurant, Sally Ling’s — and what it takes to build a brand defined by authenticity, innovation, and uncompromising quality. From the challenges of food manufacturing to the nuances of flavor storytelling, she gives us an inside look at redefining "premium" in the world of ready-to-cook cuisine.
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0:25: Nadia Liu Spellman, Founder & CEO, Dumpling Daughter – Nadia fondly reflects on her childhood spent in the heart of her parents’ lively Chinese restaurant, where her passion for food first took root. From preparing family dinners as a tween to eventually leaving behind a corporate career, she shares what inspired her leap into entrepreneurship. The Covid-19 pandemic became a turning point, offering Dumpling Daughter the chance to grow into a CPG brand that weaves heritage and hospitality into every bite. Nadia discusses her love for being the face of the brand—appearing in behind-the-scenes stories on Instagram—and why she sees competition as a motivator, not a threat. With a brand flywheel that connects direct-to-consumer, retail, and restaurant channels, she talks about why she’s thinking big, while staying grounded in her mission: to share food that tastes like home.
Brands in this episode: Dumpling Daughter
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Michelle Razavi, the co-founder of Elavi, pulls back the curtain on how the brand landed a $1 million order from Costco just four months after the debut of its protein brownies. The hosts also discuss Chobani’s purchase of Daily Harvest and Via Verde Valle’s acquisition of A Dozen Cousins and how the latter may reflect a new paradigm in which founders favor strategic exits over prolonged fundraising.
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0:45: Pass The Brownies. Sample Your Wares. Fundraise Or Sell? Justin Time. Phony And Fantastic. – The hosts munch on Elavi’s protein brownies and heap praise on the brand’s co-founders Michelle Razavi and Nikki Elliot. They also highlight sampling opportunities and retailer buyer access at BevNET Live Summer 2025, before diving into recent industry M&A activity, including Chobani’s acquisition of Daily Harvest and Verde Valley’s acquisition of A Dozen Cousins. They discuss how these moves reflect shifting strategies in CPG, where founders increasingly favor strategic exits over prolonged fundraising. The team also reviews a variety of new products, including Justin’s new better-for-you candy bars, Campari’s non-alcoholic spritz Crodino, and the standout Phony White Negroni by St. Agrestis. Other notable mentions include energy-infused gum, crypto-themed sparkling water, and functional tea and coffee drinks.
29:09: Interview: Michelle Razavi, Co-Founder, Elavi – Michelle talks about how Elavi spotted whitespace in the protein snack category, the brand’s journey to retail readiness, including key learnings from Costco roadshows, and how strategic packaging design and in-store execution have fueled velocity at scale. She also discusses buyer relationships, proving value as an emerging brand, and the internal resilience required to lead a mission-driven company through rapid iteration and distribution.
Brands in this episode: Elavi, Olipop, Chobani, Polar, Daily Harvest, A Dozen Cousins, Verde Valle, Snickers, Gigantic Candy, Harken Sweets, Justin’s, Campari, Aperol, Crodino, Crush, St. Agrestis, Instant Energy Gum, Rekt, Fktea, Fuzzee Coffee, RXBAR, Caulipower
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The latest installment of Elevator Talk features leaders from Hip Pop, Pari, Aqua Boost, Pablo’s Mate, Zenjoy.
Watch founders and CEOs introduce their brands and provide a recap of recent news and updates. This week’s special co-host is Adam Louras, a principal with Mercenary, who shared his thoughts, questions and feedback with the participants. He is joined by Ray Latif, the editor and producer of the Taste Radio podcast.
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How do you build a globally scaled seafood company rooted in ancient Japanese techniques, humane animal treatment, and radical transparency – all before the age of 26?
Meet Saif Khawaja, the founder and CEO of Seremoni, a startup that’s reinventing the seafood industry from the ground up.
Launched in 2024, Seremoni is a vertically integrated company setting a new benchmark for quality and ethics in seafood by merging time-honored Japanese craft with cutting-edge technology. To bring his vision to life, Saif assembled a dream team: engineers from SpaceX, veterans from premium seafood brands, and small-scale fishermen from across the globe.
His mission? To build a new kind of supply chain – one powered by empathy, precision engineering, and economic equity – and to make Michelin-quality seafood accessible to everyone.
In this episode, Saif shares how a Wharton thesis and a philosophical reckoning ignited a radical idea. He walks us through the early days of grit and experimentation, the challenges of leading teams twice his age, and why he believes world-changing companies are often born from deep moral conviction, not spreadsheets.
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0:25: Saif Khawaja, Founder & CEO, Seremoni – Saif opens up about how reading Peter Singer’s essay “If Fish Could Scream” profoundly impacted him and inspired the development of Seremoni and how his hands-on experience as a commercial fisherman exposed him to artisanal methods and the biology of how stress affects flavor and decomposition in fish. He talks about how the company’s tools and robotics scale ikejime techniques in the U.S., pursuing vertical integration to ensure quality and pay fishermen more fairly, and how he convinced investors, chefs and retailers to buy into his vision. Saif also discusses his management of a growing team of over 30 people, and how he is building a values-driven movement that is guided by a strong moral compass.
Brands in this episode: Seremoni, Ōra, Oishii
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Is the plant-based meat boom going bust? Despite early excitement and big investments, some brands are in the midst of turbulent times and an uncertain future. The hosts weigh in. Plus, Babak Bina, co-founder of BCB3 Hospitality Group, shares how a deep commitment to guest experience and a love for cultural cuisine helped him develop some of the city's most acclaimed restaurants.
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0:45: Head South. Point (Coffee) Break. Big Names, Live. A Beyond Meati Problem. Dink-Tinis & More. – The hosts recap Taste Radio’s vibrant Austin meetup and share red hot news in the business of RTD coffee. They also highlight recently announced founders and operators that will be speaking at BevNET Live Summer 2025, including Kurt Seidensticker of Vital Proteins and Melvin Landis of Olipop. The hosts riff on the stunning downfall of plant-based meat company Meati as well as another poor quarter for Beyond and analyze the broader implications for the alt-meat space. Ray gets everyone’s attention with a collaboration between The Botanist Gin and Prince, which have teamed up to serve “pickleball cocktails,” before John and Mike break out lemonade-flavored potato chips and a goat milk “lamb skewer” chocolate bar. Jacqui chats about an avocado-based tea, and Ray showcases new meat sticks from The New Primal and Archer.
29:09: Babak Bina, Co-Founder, BCB3 Hospitality Group – A towering presence in Boston’s culinary scene for nearly four decades, Babak is a renowned restaurateur whose influence stretches far beyond the dining room. Known for his unwavering focus on hospitality and a bold commitment to innovative, globally inspired cuisine, he has helped shape the city’s food culture in lasting ways. In this episode, Babak shares insights into how he educates diners without alienating them, why pushing a city’s culinary boundaries matters, and what it takes to craft experiences that go well beyond just great food. He also discusses his philosophy of leading by example – whether it’s mopping the floor or bussing a table – and how culture starts at the top.
Brands in this episode: Wundereggs, Super Coffee, Afia, Better Sour, Nebula Snacks, NUFS, Jolene, Vital Proteins, Olipop, Polar, Meati, Beyond, Impossible, The Botanist, Essentia, Utz, Alex’s Lemonade Stand, New Primal, Archer, Kesssho, Avsome, HOP WTR
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Tony Abou-Ganim, a legendary figure in the world of cocktails and hospitality with nearly five decades behind the bar, is sounding an alarm for the industry he cherishes. “Where did the fun go?” he asks – a question that reverberates across the ever-evolving landscape of bars and beverage culture.
As the founder of cocktail platform Modern Mixologist, Tony’s career has been a masterclass in passion and perseverance. From his early days as a barback in small-town Michigan to becoming one of the most respected voices in hospitality, his journey is defined by innovation, excellence, and heart. A three-time champion on Iron Chef America, Tony helped launch the groundbreaking beverage program at the Bellagio Las Vegas. Today, he continues to shape the industry as a consultant for Royal Caribbean, high-profile venues, and leading beverage alcohol companies, where he lends his expertise to cutting-edge ready-to-drink cocktail development.
In this conversation, Tony reflects on his path in parallel with the evolution of cocktail culture – from the rise of craft mixology to the risk of elitism behind the bar. He explains why eliciting connection and joy is at the core of hospitality, shares his vision to revive his family’s historic bar, and offers insights into where the industry is heading – touching on everything from the sober-curious movement to the soaring price of cocktails, and what it truly means to brighten someone’s day, one drink at a time.
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0:25: Tony Abou-Ganim, Founder, Modern Mixologist – On location at the 2025 Nassau Paradise Island Wine & Food Festival, Tony talks about formative experiences working at his cousin’s bar, The Brass Rail, and how, in a full-circle moment, he is now restoring it to its original 1937 charm. He also reflects on 45 years in the industry, and celebrates its evolution – from artificial mixers to fresh ingredients and artisanal presentation – while criticizing the rise of ego and elitism in cocktail culture. Tony discusses the classic roots of modern cocktails and why creativity lies in thoughtful reinterpretation rather than originality and how sober-curious lifestyles have yielded challenges and opportunities for bar culture. Tony also advocates for a return to the joy and spontaneity that once defined nightlife and why he advises aspiring beverage entrepreneurs to seek honest feedback and recognize that long-standing relationships are still the cornerstone of success.
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After a challenging 2024, Lemon Perfect knew it was time for a bold reset. Founder Yanni Hufnagel led the charge with a reengineered bottle and improved formula, but the brand’s comeback wouldn’t be complete without a new look. Enter Paula Grant and creative studio Suite9C, tasked with developing a daring visual identity refresh. This is the story of how a brand turned setback into spotlight.
Also in this episode: the hosts unpack Guayaki’s unprecedented rebrand to Yerba Madre and what it means for the category-defining brand. They also dive into Gopuff’s new GoXL product and whether “value” is shaping up to be a defining theme of 2025.
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0:45: All Rain, All Rain, All Rain. A Dead Rabbit, A Great Thing. Madre Musing. XLerated Delivery. – Where’s that Texas heat? The hosts encounter a rainy, gloomy Austin, but at least The Dead Rabbit delivers on every front. Prior to Taste Radio’s meetup later in the day, they discuss Guayaki’s rebrand to Yerba Madre and why they’re excited to hear from Ghost co-founder Dan Lourenco at BevNET Live. John professes his love for Gopuff, but is he excited about the prospect of buying 12 rolls of toilet paper from the delivery platform? Ray feels left out of a meeting with an Austin-based founder of chai drinks.
12:55: Paula Grant, Founder, Suite9C & Yanni Hufnagel, Founder, Lemon Perfect – Paula chats about Taste Radio’s NYC meetup and stealthy afterparty, before Yanni talks about how Lemon’s Perfect’s product quality issues spurred the company’s refreshed formulation and decision to pursue a brand refresh. Paula Paula explains why she rejects the traditional “agency vs. founder” model, instead favoring deeply collaborative, in-the-room design processes. Yanni, a self-described detail obsessive, talks about their intensely collaborative design process, from aligning on visual simplicity to debating tiny but crucial details, like color balance, label hierarchy, and shelf visibility. Paula emphasizes the importance of powerful design that is about aesthetics, storytelling, brand trust, and commercial performance. They both discuss how the refreshed identity positions Lemon Perfect for future innovation and category expansion.
Brands in this episode: Yerba Madre, Ghost, Uncrustables, Chobani, Kimbala, Lemon Perfect, Vitaminwater, BodyArmor
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The latest episode of Elevator Talk features leaders from Joon, Scobucha, Hey!Hunger, Jozo and Fable Fish Co.
Watch founders and CEOs introduce their brands and provide a recap of recent news and updates. This week’s special co-host is Eleanor Hayden, the founder & CEO of Hayden Consultancy, who shared her thoughts, questions and feedback with the participants. She is joined by Ray Latif, the editor and producer of the Taste Radio podcast.
Founders and CEOs of early stage food or beverage brands are invited to join future shows to pitch their products, discuss recent news and get feedback from industry experts. It is free to participate and interviews will be conducted remotely. Apply for a future episode of Elevator Talk.
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What happens when a celebrated food personality brings her passion for clean eating to the wine aisle – and helps launch a brand that's redefining what’s in your glass?
Katie Lee Biegel, the bestselling author, Food Network celebrity and co-founder of Kind of Wild wines, discusses her journey into the organic wine business and how she’s building a purpose-driven brand rooted in sustainability, transparency, and clean ingredients.
Launched in 2021 by brothers Jordan & Adam Sager, Kind of Wild markets certified organic, zero-sugar, vegan-friendly wines with no harmful additives, and a growing portfolio of varietals from around the world. Katie joined the company as a co-founder in 2023.
Within our conversation, Katie opens up about the challenges and evolution of the food and beverage industry over the last two decades, including the rise of social media and the changing role of food influencers. From grassroots wine tastings to strategic distribution through Southern Glazer’s, she outlines how Kind of Wild is balancing digital engagement with real-world connection to scale its reach and stay close to its consumers.
Show notes:
0:25: Katie Lee Biegel, Co-Founder, Kind Of Wild – On location at the Nassau Paradise Island Wine & Food Festival in The Bahamas, Katie Lee Biegel shares her journey from West Virginia comfort food to co-owning Kind of Wild. She discusses her approach to menu curation, emphasizing intentional wine pairings, and how she blended her love for Southern cooking blends with island-inspired ingredients for a dinner at the festival. Katie reflects on her move into the wine space in 2023, driven by a desire for organic, additive-free wines after personal struggles with wine hangovers. Katie also talks about the evolving food media landscape, why in-person connections are key to building a loyal community and why retail is the key to accessibility.
Brands in this episode: Kind of Wild
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They call it “better-for-you.” But better for who, exactly? And are trendy startups solving a problem – or just selling the illusion of one? The hosts dig in. We also revisit four interviews from Taste Radio’s NYC meetup, where leaders from innovative food and beverage organizations, including Rethink Food and The Goods Mart, shared insights on mission-driven business models and scaling with purpose.
Show notes:
0:45: Deadlines & Agendas. Chasin’ Victory. NNE Is Next. Your Grandma’s A.I. BFY Candy & Vodka. It’s Redundant, No? The hosts note a fast-approaching deadline for the BevNET Live’s New Beverage Showdown and the event’s newly released agenda. They also spotlight Chasin’ Dreams Farm, winner of the Naturally San Diego Naturally Rising Pitch Competition, and tease a similar event that a sister chapter will be hosting this month. They heap praise on Del Real Foods’ new marketing campaign, before Ray’s skepticism about new BFY candy bar brand Hormbles Chormbles sparks a conversation about whether moderation and simplicity answer real consumer needs. Melissa unveils a new line of “late night” Doritos and asks if soy milk might be having a quiet comeback, Jacqui highlights a beachy iced tea brand and Ray shows love to a pair of bottled cocktails inspired by a legendary bar in Japan.
30:44: Interviews from Taste Radio’s NYC Meetup – Cole Riley, VP of Engagement and Partnerships at Rethink Food, described how the chef-led nonprofit repurposes excess food from restaurants and CPG brands to combat food insecurity, having delivered over 30 million meals across NYC and Miami. Austin Rief, co-founder of Morning Brew and Oceans Talent, explained how Oceans helps U.S. companies hire vetted overseas talent – mainly from Sri Lanka – for up to 65% cost savings while maintaining high-quality work and cultural fit. Rachel Krupa, founder of The Goods Mart and Krupa Consulting, highlighted her mission to spotlight better-for-you brands through curated retail and hotel minibars, emphasizing taste, founder values, and ingredient integrity. David Segal, the founder of David’s Tea and now president of Highbeam, shared how his frustration with traditional banking led him to join and help grow novel financial platform Highbeam – a financial platform that automates finance tasks, optimizes cash flow, and provides tailored banking and credit solutions to scaling consumer brands.
Brands in this episode: Liquid Death, Cann, Malk, Health-Ade, Chasin’ Dreams Farm, Recoup, Mooski, Fierce & Kind, RXBAR, Body Vodka, Spiked Ade, Harken Sweets, Gigantic Candy, Mild Addictions, Del Real Foods, Farmer Foodie, Singing Pasture Farm, Conza Crumbs, Doritos, Madley Hadley, Kirra Tea, WholeMoon, Crushed Tonic, On The Rocks, Toki Whiskey, Haku Vodka, David’s Tea, GNGR Labs
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Todd Davis, a seasoned Kroger executive who’s been with the retailer for over 30 years, has a sharp instinct for what makes a brand not just survive, but soar.
As the category manager for natural, local, and multicultural brands at Kroger’s King Soopers and City Market banners, Todd has spent decades championing innovative products and the passionate founders behind them. But for him, it’s not just about the numbers – it’s about purpose, authenticity and impact.
In this episode, Todd shares his strategy for identifying standout brands and why he’s especially driven to support women-owned and BIPOC-owned businesses. He also discusses his hands-on, relationship-first mindset, and his belief in brands that are shaking up traditional retail by selling with heart, disrupting with intention and truly connecting with today’s consumer.
Show notes:
0:25: Interview: Todd Davis, Category Manager – Natural Foods/Local/Multi-Cultural, King Soopers/City Market – At Expo West 2025, Todd talks about his 30-year journey at Kroger, starting as a bagger and rising through the ranks, and his deep passion for both grocery innovation and hip-hop culture – including his title as the largest collector of hip-hop music in North America. He also talks about what motivates him daily, how he approaches leadership and growth, evaluating new brands at trade shows and the value of transparency, “HOT” conversations (honest, open, transparent), and emotional detachment when making buyer decisions. Todd also explains what a brand’s shippers need to tell its product story, the power of local programs like Colorado Proud and brand incubation opportunities, his advice for emerging brands preparing for a first meeting with retail buyers and how he evaluates brands without relying solely on personal preferences. He also highlights the development of a women-owned brands endcap in 30 stores, reveals why LinkedIn is his favorite platform for staying connected and talks about his belief in the "gentle push" toward greatness every day.
Brands in this episode: Bonfire Burritos, U-LUV Cookies, Wilde, Melting Forest, Saint James Tea, Kevin's Natural Foods, Rudi's, Super Coffee, Rise Brewing Co.
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