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  • On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, David Perry speaks to Alex Salt about the Canada's integration of emerging technology since the publication of Strong, Secured, Engaged, and the parallel work done by our Five Eyes allies.

    David Perry is also joined by Kate E. Todd to discuss the latest in defence news.

    Guests bios

    Alex Salt is Triple Helix's Post-Doctoral Fellow – https://www.cgai.ca/triple_helix_our_team

    Kate E. Todd is a CGAI Fellow – https://www.cgai.ca/katherine_todd

    Host Bio

    David Perry is CGAI's President and CEO – https://www.cgai.ca/staff#Perry

    Recording Date: 24 May 2024

    Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.

    Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

  • On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan interview Lisa Baiton about CAPP's new Data Centre as well as how the oil and gas industry contributes to the Canadian economy.

    You can find the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers' Data Centre here: https://www.capp.ca/en/capp-data-centre/

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    For the intro session, Kelly and Joe discuss the effects of the copper price spike and the prospect of combining cheap solar with expensive grid infrastructure.

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    Guest Bio:
    - Lisa Baiton is the CEO of the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers

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    Host Bio:
    - Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
    - Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute

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    Reading recommendations:
    - "No Trade is Free", by Robert Lighthizer: www.harpercollins.com/products/no-tr…41004612943906

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    Interview recording Date: May 14, 2024

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    Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.

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    Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

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  • For this episode of the Global Exchange podcast, Colin Robertson talks with Lloyd Axworthy, Michael Manulak, and Allan Rock about the concept of a UN Trusteeship for Palestine, and what Canada's role could be in finding a political resolution to the conflict. //

    You can find their recent article for Foreign Affairs here: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/israel/trusteeship-palestine //

    Participants' bios
    - Lloyd Axworthy is Chair of the World Refugee and Migration Council. He was Canadian Minister of Foreign Affairs from 1996 to 2000.
    - Michael Manulak is an Assistant Professor at the Norman Paterson School of International Affairs at Carleton University.
    - Allan Rock is President Emeritus of the University of Ottawa. He was Canadian Minister of Justice from 1993 to 1997 and Canadian Ambassador to the UN from 2003 to 2006. //

    Host bio:
    Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson //

    Read & Watch:
    - Diplomatic documents from the Canadian archives: https://www.international.gc.ca/gac-amc/history-histoire/external-relations_relations-exterieures.aspx?lang=eng
    - The works of the late Nobel Prize Winner Alice Munro: https://www.amazon.com/stores/Alice-Munro/author/B000APECX6?
    - "Free and Equal", by Daniel Chandler: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/743628/free-and-equal-by-daniel-chandler/ //

    Recording Date: May 17, 2024.

  • On this episode Defence Deconstructed, Jana Lee Murray speaks to Scott Millar, Mike Mueller, Dr. Craig Stone, and Jeff Tasseron on how to improve the relationship between the Department of National Defence and the defence industry.

    This conversation is part of our 2023 Procurement Conference, which took place on November 29, 2023 in Ottawa. This conference was made possible thanks to the support of our strategic sponsors Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics, Irving Shipbuilding, and Hanwha Defence; conference silver sponsors L3Harris, CAE, and Seaspan; as well as bronze sponsors Thales and Microsoft.

    Guest Bios

    Scott Millar is Assistant Deputy Minister (Horizontal Policy) at the Department of National Defence.

    Mike Mueller is President and CEO of the Aerospace Industry Association of Canada.

    Dr. Craig Stone is a CGAI Fellow.

    Jeff Tasseron is CAE’s Director of Business Development and Strategy and a CGAI Fellow.

    Host bio

    Jana Lee Murray is ADGA’s Vice President of Operations.

    Recording Date: 29 Nov 2023

    Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.

    Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

  • On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Joe Calnan interviews Heather Exner-Pirot about Canadian competitiveness in resources, and the factors underlying our challenges.

    You can find Heather's article for the MacDonald Laurier Institute here: https://macdonaldlaurier.ca/canadian-competitiveness-resource-development-post-mortem-heather-exner-pirot-commentary/

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    For the intro session, Kelly and Joe discuss the wildfires in Alberta and planned European sanctions on Russian LNG transshipment.

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    Guest Bio:
    - Heather Exner-Pirot is Senior Fellow and Director of Natural Resources, Energy and Environment at the MacDonald Laurier Institute

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    Host Bio:
    - Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
    - Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute

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    Reading recommendations:
    - "No Trade is Free", by Robert Lighthizer: https://www.harpercollins.com/products/no-trade-is-free-robert-lighthizer?variant=41004612943906

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    Interview recording Date: May 9, 2024

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    Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.

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    Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

  • For this episode of the Global Exchange podcast, Colin Robertson talks with Kate Higgins, Robert Greenhill and Guy Thibault about what the recent Federal budget means for international development.

    Participants' bios
    - Kate Higgins is CEO of Cooperation Canada
    - Robert Greenhill is Executive Chairman, Global Canada Initiative, and Professor of Practice at the Institute for the Study of International Development at McGill University
    - Guy Thibault is Chairman of the Conference of Defence Associations Institute

    Host bio:
    Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson

    Read & Watch:
    - "Shogun", FX Miniseries: https://www.fxnowcanada.ca/shows/shogun/
    - "Canada Alone: Navigating the Post-American World", by Kim Nossal: https://www.dundurn.com/books_/t22117/a9781459752450-canada-alone

    Recording Date: May 3, 2024.

  • On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, Gen. Wayne Eyre outlines the threats environment and how the Canadian-led multinational brigade in Latvia will offer effective deterrence.

    This episode is the recording from an event that took place on May 7th, 2024 that was supported by BAE Systems. The event is part of a series on NATO members' reaction to the full scale invasion of Ukraine.

    Guest bio

    General Wayne Eyre is Chief of the Defence Staff.

    Host bio
    Dr. David Perry is President and CEO of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – www.cgai.ca/david_perry


    Recording Date: 7 May 2024

    Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.

    Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

  • On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan interview Trevor Tombe about the financial and economic basis of the Trans Mountain Pipeline.

    You can find Trevor's article for The Hub here: https://thehub.ca/2024-04-30/trevor-tombe-the-trans-mountain-pipeline-was-worth-every-penny/

    You can find our previous podcast with Trevor here: https://www.cgai.ca/the_impact_of_energy_in_the_federal_budget_with_trevor_tombe

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    For the intro session, Kelly and Joe discuss the Ksi Lisims LNG project and alleged collusion with OPEC in the US tight oil industry.

    CGAI's events in Toronto and Ottawa with Kent Fellows: https://www.cgai.ca/2024_energy_security_forum_roundtables_series_the_influence_of_energy_on_canadas_role_on_the_world_stage

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    Guest Bio:
    - Trevor Tombe is a Professor of Economics at the University of Calgary, a Research Fellow at The School of Public Policy, and co-director of Finances of the Nation.

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    Host Bio:
    - Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
    - Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute

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    Reading recommendations:
    - "Last Barrel Standing? Confronting the Myth of “High-Cost” Canadian Oil Sands Production", by Kent Fellows: https://www.cdhowe.org/public-policy-research/last-barrel-standing-confronting-myth-high-cost-canadian-oil-sands

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    Interview recording Date: May 8, 2024

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    Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.

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    Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

  • For this episode of the Global Exchange podcast, Colin Robertson talks with Kim Nossal about the Canada-US relationship during a hypothetical second Trump Presidency.

    You can find Kim's book, titled "Canada Alone: Navigating the Post-American World" here: https://www.amazon.ca/Canada-Alone-Navigating-Post-American-World/dp/1459752457

    Participants' bios
    - Kim Richard Nossal is Professor Emeritus at Queen’s University where he headed the Department of Political Studies and later served as director of the Centre for International and Defence Policy and then executive director of the Queen’s School of Policy Studies.

    Host bio:
    Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson

    Read & Watch:
    - "The Dean of Shandong: Confessions of a Minor Bureaucrat at a Chinese University", by Daniel A. Bell: https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691247120/the-dean-of-shandong

    Recording Date: April 17, 2024.

  • On his episode of Defence Deconstructed, The Hon. Bill Blair speaks to Our North, Strong and Free's contribution to enhanced and modernized continental defence.

    This recording is part of Triple Helix’s first annual conference, which took place on May 1st, 2024. This event was made possible thanks to the support of the Department of National Defence’s MINDS program, CGAI’s strategic sponsors Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics, Hanwha Ocean and Defence, and Cenovus, as well as the American Chamber of Commerce in Canada, reception sponsor L3Harris Technologies, and coffee break sponsor Bell.

    For more about this conference, go to: https://www.cgai.ca/norad_modernization_enabling_connectivity_for_interoperability

    Guest Bio:
    The Hon. Bill Blair is the Minister of National Defence.

    Host bio
    Dr. David Perry is President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – www.cgai.ca/david_perry


    Recording Date: 1 May 2024

    Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.

    Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

  • On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan interview Susan Bell about how the opening of the Trans Mountain Pipeline expansion could change Canada's energy industry.

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    For the intro session, Kelly and Joe Calnan discuss the recent G7 Energy Minister summit and the possibility of Iraqi and Kazakh oil supply curtailments.

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    Guest Bio:
    - Susan Bell is Senior Vice President, Downstream at Rystad Energy

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    Host Bio:
    - Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
    - Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute

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    Reading recommendations:
    - "The Body in Question", by Jill Ciment: https://www.amazon.ca/Body-Question-Novel-Jill-Ciment/dp/152474798X

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    Interview recording Date: April 25, 2023

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    Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.

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    Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

  • For this episode of the Global Exchange podcast, Colin Robertson talks with Paul Evans about the troubled relationship between Canada and China, and ideas for how to navigate these challenging waters.

    You can find Paul's book, titled "Engaging China", here: https://utorontopress.com/9781442614482/engaging-china/

    Participants' bios
    - Paul Evans is Professor Emeritus at the School of Public Policy and Global Affairs at the University of British Columbia. Paul is a Canadian representative on the ASEAN Regional Forum’s Experts and Eminent Persons Group and sits on various editorial boards for scholarly journals. His graduate and undergraduate teaching at UBC focused on Global China and World Order.

    Host bio:
    Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson

    Read & Watch:
    - "The Bomber Mafia: A Dream, a Temptation, and the Longest Night of the Second World War", by Malcolm Gladwell: https://www.amazon.ca/Bomber-Mafia-Temptation-Longest-Second/dp/0316296619
    - "Mr. Bates vs. The Post Office": https://www.pbs.org/show/mr-bates-vs-the-post-office/

    Recording Date: April 17, 2024.

  • On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, David Perry speaks to LGen Eric Kenny about the RCAF Centennial, the evolution of air power, and the future of the Air Force.

    This episode is brought to you by Irving Shipduilding.

    Guest Bio:

    Lieutenant-General Eric Kenny is the Commander of the Royal Canadian Air Force.

    Host bio
    Dr. David Perry is President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – www.cgai.ca/david_perry


    Recording Date: 22 Apr 2024

    Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.

    Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

  • On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan interview Sara Vakhshouri about the risks of a hot war between Israel and Iran, and the muted energy reaction to these risks.

    For the intro session, Kelly and Joe Calnan discuss the German and Vietnamese economies.

    Guest Bio:
    - Sara Vakhshouri is a CGAI Fellow and the President of SVB Energy International

    Host Bio:
    - Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
    - Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute

    Reading recommendations:
    - "Cobalt Red: How the Blood of the Congo Powers Our Lives", by Siddarth Kara: https://www.amazon.ca/Cobalt-Red-Blood-Congo-Powers-ebook/dp/B09Y462D6Z

    Interview recording Date: April 22, 2023

    Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.

    Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

  • For this episode of the Global Exchange podcast, we are featuring a keynote speech by Deputy Minister Rob Stewart from CGAI's Annual Trade Conference.

    Participants' bios
    - Rob Stewart is the Deputy Minister of International Trade at Global Affairs Canada

    Host bio:
    Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson

    The CGAI Trade Conference was made possible with the help of our strategic sponsors Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics, Irving Shipbuilding, Hanwha Ocean and Defence, and Cenovus Energy. Thanks also go out to our Organizing Sponsors, the Simon Reisman Chair in International Economics and the Norman Paterson School of International Affairs.

    Recording Date: April 9, 2024.

  • On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, David Perry unpacks Budget 2024 and its defence components. Then (17:39), Cara Salci speaks to LGen Frances Allen, Paul Folkes-Dallaire, Siobhan Harty, Marcia Mills, and Demetrios Xenos are unpacking how to improve the defence procurement system.

    This conversation is part of our 2023 Procurement Conference, which took place on November 29, 2023 in Ottawa. This conference was made possible thanks to the support of our strategic sponsors Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics, Irving Shipbuilding, and Hanwha Defence; conference silver sponsors L3Harris, CAE, and Seaspan; as well as bronze sponsors Thales and Microsoft.

    Guest Bios
    Lieutenant General Frances Allen is Vice Chief of the Defence Staff Paula Folkes-Dallaire is PSPC’s Associate Assistant Deputy Minister of Defence and Marine Procurement
    Siobhan Harty is PSPC’s Assistant Deputy Minister of Defence Procurement Review,
    Marcia Mills is Counsel at Fasken
    Demetrios Xenos ISED’s Director General Industrial and Technological Benefits Branch
    Cara Salci is Vice President Strategy and Government Relations at Thales Canada.

    Host Bio
    Dr. David Perry is the President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – https://www.cgai.ca/David_Perry

    Recording Date: 18 Apr 2024 and 29 Nov 2023

    Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.

    Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

  • On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan interview Jakob Larsen about the ongoing crisis in the Red Sea and how shipping companies are adapting to Houthi attacks.

    For the intro session, Kelly and Joe Calnan discuss the recent missile and drone attacks from Iran targeting Israel and the prospect of the United States reimposing sanctions on Venezuelan energy.

    Guest Bio:
    - Jakob Larsen is the Head of Maritime Safety & Security at BIMCO

    Host Bio:
    - Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
    - Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute

    Reading recommendations:
    - "One Dollar Man", by Ole Sønnichsen: https://www.susannalea.com/sla-title/one-dollar-man/

    Interview recording Date: April 11, 2023

    Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.

    Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

  • For this episode of the Global Exchange podcast, Colin Robertson talks with the Hon. Lloyd Axworthy and Hon. Allan Rock about the Responsibility to Protect populations from genocide, and the successes and failures of this aspiration.

    Participants' bios
    - Allan Rock is President Emeritus of the University of Ottawa, and a former Professor in its Faculty of Law, where he taught International Humanitarian Law and Armed Conflict in International Law. He previously served as a member of Parliament holding various cabinet positions including Minister of Justice and Attorney General. He served as our Ambassador to the UN when R2P was adopted.
    - Lloyd Axworthy is a former president of the University of Winnipeg and Director and CEO of the Liu Institute for Global Issues at the University of British Columbia. A member of the Manitoba legislature and then member of parliament he held various cabinet portfolios including Foreign Affairs. He was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts to secure the Land Mines Treaty.

    Host bio:
    Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson

    Read & Watch:
    - "The Wager: A Tale of Shipwreck, Mutiny and Murder", by David Grann: https://www.amazon.ca/Wager-Tale-Shipwreck-Mutiny-Murder/dp/0385534264
    - "The Searcher", by Rana French: https://www.amazon.ca/Searcher-Novel-Tana-French/dp/073522465X
    - "The Company: The Rise and Fall of the Hudson's Bay Empire", by Stephen Bown: https://www.amazon.ca/Company-Rise-Fall-Hudsons-Empire/dp/0385694075
    - "Reading Genesis", by Marilynne Robinson: https://www.amazon.com/Reading-Genesis-Marilynne-Robinson/dp/0374299404

    Recording Date: April 10, 2024.

  • This week's Defence Deconstructed is all about Our North, Strong and Free, Canada's defence policy update.

    First, Dave Perry and Nicolas Todd discuss the relevant aspects of the policy to the defence industry, with a focus on the budget and procurement projects outlined in the document. This is the recording of a webinar co-organized with CADSI. To access the slides, go to: https://assets.nationbuilder.com/cdfai/pages/5568/attachments/original/1712957147/Canadas_Updated_Defence_Policy—Industry_Reactions.pdf?1712957147

    Then, Dave Perry is joined by RAdm (ret'd) Jeff Hamilton, Dr. Rob Huebert, Dr. Philippe Lagassé, and Charlotte Duval-Lantoine to deconstruct the various aspects of the policy.

    Defence Deconstructed is brought to you by Irving Shipbuilding.


    Guest bios:

    Nicolas Todd is Vice President Policy, Communications and Government Relations at CADSI. https://www.defenceandsecurity.ca/cms4/Executive-Team

    Jeff Hamilton is a retired Rear-Admiral and the senior advisor, defence and security at EY. https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-hamilton-m-s-m-and-bar-c-d-radm-ret%E2%80%99d-7b8a762b

    Rob Huebert is a Professor at the University of Calgary and a Fellow at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute. https://www.cgai.ca/rob_huebert

    Philippe Lagassé is Associate Professor at Carleton University's Norman Paterson School of International Affairs and a Fellow at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute. https://www.cgai.ca/Philippe_Lagasse

    Charlotte Duval-Lantoine is a Fellow and the Ottawa Operations Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute. https://www.cgai.ca/charlotte_duval_lantoine

    Host bio
    Dr. David Perry is President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – www.cgai.ca/david_perry


    Recording Date: 12 Apr 2024

    Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.

    Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

  • On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan interview Shannon Watt about the future of propane in the Arctic, in renewable forms, and globally.

    You can find the paper mentioned in the podcast here: https://propane.ca/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Decarbonization-pathway_FINAL.pdf

    For the intro session, Kelly and Joe Calnan discuss a shifting situation for heavy crude oil in North America and progress on green hydrogen in Newfoundland.

    Guest Bio:
    - Shannon Watt is the President and CEO of the Canadian Propane Association

    Host Bio:
    - Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
    - Joe Calnan is a Fellow and Energy Security Forum Manager at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute

    Reading recommendations:
    - "Outlive: The Science and Art of Longevity", by Peter Attia: https://www.amazon.ca/Outlive-Longevity-Peter-Attia-MD/dp/0593236599

    Interview recording Date: April 4, 2023

    Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.

    Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.