4 Key Elements in Event Marketing & Learning to Pivot Fast with Mark Testa | Ep #741

17 Nov · Smart Agency Masterclass with Jason Swenk: Podcast for Digital Marketing Agencies

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What happens when your entire industry comes to a sudden halt? Are you positioned for adaptability in the face of challenge? As an events agency owner, today’s featured guest watched his business model crumble in just one week when the pandemic struck and nearly devastate the entire events industry. It seemed the events industry survive however by embracing technology, his agency successfully transitioned client events to the digital space. They created innovative virtual experiences that kept the business alive during the lockdown.

Now, as in-person gatherings return, he's navigating yet another evolution: the emergence of hybrid events, as he tries to warm his clients up to this concept. Learn the most common pitfalls in event organization and his vision for the future of events in a post-pandemic world.

Mark Testa is the founder of the Mark Stephen Experiential Agency, an agency that specializes in creating memorable consumer experiences that help their clients stand out at major events. With over 20 years of experience, Mark discusses his journey from aspiring set designer to leading an agency that integrates live experiences with digital elements to help brands stand out, and how the pandemic almost ended his business.

In this episode, we’ll discuss:

Key elements of a successful event.

Learning to pivot in the face of change and adversity.

Integrating AI to create successful hybrid events.

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Threading a Path From Set Design to Experiential Marketing

Mark's journey into the experiential marketing industry began with a different dream altogether. Originally aspiring to become a set designer in New York City, he took what he thought would be a temporary detour into designing window displays to support himself. This seemingly modest compromise eventually led him down an unexpected but rewarding path.

As his work evolved from window displays to product launches, Mark found himself increasingly drawn to the creative challenges of his new role. Even when he attempted to return to NYU to pursue his original dream of set design, financial constraints led him back to visual merchandising at Macy's and working with sponsors during Fashion Week.

This experience with sponsors naturally evolved into a consulting business, where Mark helped brands create impactful environments that achieved their marketing objectives. A subsequent position managing events for a magazine further expanded his horizons, allowing him to travel and develop a passion for event production that eventually eclipsed his theatrical ambitions.

After eight years in the industry, Mark transitioned to freelance work, which organically grew into his own business venture. Though he initially didn't define his company's identity too rigidly, the increasing competition from full-service event companies prompted him to formally establish himself as an experiential agency.

3 Key Elements of a Successful Event that People Often Get Wrong

Overall objectives: One of the most crucial elements in planning an event is understanding the underlying objectives. It’s one of the first things Mark tried to define with clients. Are they looking to build a new business? Build brand awareness? Data collection? That needs to be clear before moving forward with planning.

Time: Next, the client should be aware that planning an event will require a lot of time, to the point you’ll need to treat it as a job. Time is an element people usually don’t understand and they figure an event can come together in a matter of a few weeks. As a rule, Mark and his team don’t take any new gigs that are under six weeks because they won’t be able to execute it to the best of their abilities. The more time you have to prepare the better the event will turn out.

Audience: Who is the audience the event is trying to reach? Realistic and clear about the goals are very important. Maybe you think a large event will make a big impact, but depending on the audience and the goals you can do better with a 40-person event that gets a conversation started with the ideal target audience. Just make sure to have a clear call to action. Don’t just send people off with a “thank you for coming”. Instead, invite them to have a conversation if they liked the event and if it touched on some of the issues they’ve been having with their businesses.

The Fourth Step: Establishing Clear Financial Expectations

Understanding the hidden costs of event organizing is crucial for successful client relationships, according to Mark. Location, timing, and seasonal factors all significantly impact event costs, yet clients often overlook these variables in their initial planning.

This is why Mark prioritizes budget discussions early in client conversations. He believes in establishing clear financial expectations from the start, rather than dealing with unpleasant surprises later. The budget, after all, serves as the foundation for every event decision and ultimately determines its scope and scale.

For instance, if a client's budget doesn't align with their vision of a 200-person event, Mark advocates for adjusting the scale rather than struggling to make an impossible budget work. A well-executed 40-person event, he argues, is far more successful than an underfunded larger gathering.

The key to managing these potentially difficult conversations lies in transparent communication. When agencies take the time to explain costs thoroughly and provide honest assessments of budgets, they often find that clients appreciate their candor. This transparency, while initially revealing gaps between expectations and reality, ultimately builds trust and elevates the agency's role from simple service provider to trusted advisor.

The Evolution of Events: From Shutdown to Hybrid Success

The pandemic dealt a devastating blow to the event industry, bringing it to an abrupt halt within a single week. The sudden shutdown left Mark questioning whether the industry would ever recover to its former glory—a concern that, fortunately, proved unfounded.

During those years, Mark fought not to succumb to despair and leveraged the agency’s existing resources and relationships to pivot towards new solutions.

Innovation emerged from necessity as the agency pivoted to digital technology. They developed immersive virtual experiences that replicated the interactivity of live events, not only helping them retain clients but also discovering new revenue streams with better profit margins than traditional gatherings.

However, the solution was only temporary and as soon as in-person events became viable again, clients began showing resistance to virtual alternatives. Learning from this experience, Mark now advocates for a balanced approach, blending digital and physical experiences. This hybrid approach allows agencies to cater to diverse client needs, ensuring that they remain relevant in a rapidly changing market.

Integrating Technology into Event Planning

The way that clients embraced the return of in-person events highlights the fundamental need for human connection that transcends time and circumstance. However, technological breakthroughs have changed a lot about how creatives work and it has certainly changed advertising.

Organizations are adapting to this reality by integrating technology in ways that enhance rather than replace human interaction. For instance, the use of AI tools such as MidJourney allows creatives to generate innovative ideas and visuals quickly, streamlining workflows. Of course, Mark acknowledges that while AI can aid in the creative process, it cannot replicate the physical execution and emotional nuances that human designers bring to their work.

The ability to take an imaginative concept and transform it into a tangible reality relies on human skills, intuition, and collaboration, which cannot be automated.

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Attract & Keep a ROCKSTAR TEAM & CLIENTELE with Alex Melone & Andrei Marin | Ep #744
27 Nov· Smart Agency Masterclass with Jason Swenk: Podcast for Digital Marketing Agencies
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What if the secret to finding exceptional agency talent lies in conducting fewer interviews? Finding exceptional talent is perhaps the most formidable challenge in running an agency. When hundreds of applications flood in, the absence of an efficient screening process can transform talent acquisition into an exhausting ordeal of endless resume reviews and interviews. The same is true for prospective clients. Do you have a process for screening them to see if they’re the right fit? Or do you find out too late that you’re working with the wrong ones?

Today's guests went have found success in both hiring and client retention by developing a filtering process that not only saves time but consistently identifies great matches. Listen in as they explore the highs and lows of running an agency, the impact on personal relationships, and their commitment to a "business for good" initiative.

Alex Melone and Andrei Marin are the co-founders of CodeCrew, an email marketing agency that works for the betterment of the world by driving real, sustainable, and exciting growth. They share their journey of starting an agency and reflect on the challenges of entrepreneurship, particularly the cutthroat nature of business that contrasts with their initial idealistic approach.

In this episode, we’ll discuss:

Learning that a “bad fit” client is the result of a bad process.

A strategic filter to break free from interview fatigue.

Mastering team retention.
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Why a Bad Fit Client is the Result of a Bad Process
Alex and Andrei's journey into agency ownership was driven by a desire to address the inefficiencies they had observed in their previous agency roles. However, as they navigated the complexities of running their own agency, they encountered challenges they had not anticipated.

One of the most striking revelations was the cutthroat nature of the industry. Their initial idealism was met with client relationships that deteriorated due to minor financial disputes, rather than the collaborative and positive environment they had hoped to foster.

The duo realized that a "bad fit" in an agency-client relationship stemmed not from the client themselves but from the processes and criteria used to select them. As a result, Alex and Andre now put greater effort into thoroughly vetting prospects. They realized their initial conversations with potential clients — often limited to just a few hours — were insufficient to gauge the long-term compatibility of the partnership.

When it comes to talent scouting, they emphasize the importance of referrals from existing team members, as these connections often yield leads that align more closely with the agency's culture and ethos, increasing the likelihood of forming partnerships that are not only profitable but also enjoyable and fulfilling.
Weeding Out the Wrong Candidates in the Hiring Process
Finding and retaining talent has proven to be the most challenging aspect of scaling an agency, a reality that surprised Alex and Andrei. With their agency inundated with applications, the traditional hiring process became overwhelming and inefficient, losing time with candidates who lacked the qualifications or initiative needed for the role.

To streamline their candidate selection, they’ve recently integrated video screening into their hiring process, which has turned out to be a game-changing innovation that helps enhance overall efficiency.

Instead of sitting in a 40-minute interview with candidates they can see from the first few minutes are just not a good fit, they now review 5-minute video submissions, allowing them to quickly identify promising applicants before proceeding to formal interviews. Even though they do have other steps to this process, the video portion has helped them weed out people who just weren’t a good fit. Only candidates who nail this part move forward to the formal interview and comprehensive testing that evaluates both technical skills and problem-solving abilities.
Mastering Team Retention by Creating a People-First Culture
At the heart of Alex and Andrei's agency success lies their commitment to working with people who share their values and goals. This philosophy has resulted in remarkable team retention, with many original team members still contributing to the agency years after its founding.

The secret to their retention success lies in creating a vibrant workplace culture at CodeCrew that goes beyond traditional work relationships. Through contests, light-hearted banter, and team activities, they've fostered an environment where employees don't just work together—they enjoy the journey together. The emphasis on camaraderie and belonging has strengthened team members' commitment to the organization's goals.

Their leadership style is marked by responsiveness to employee needs, which is how they came to implement “summer Fridays” an experiment that later evolved to “Fun Fridays” after a successful four-month trial where every employee gets two Fridays off per month from February through September.

This flexible approach to work-life balance has yielded significant positive results, not only providing employees with much-needed time to recharge but also fostering a culture of trust and respect, which is exactly the kind of culture that Alex and Andrei were hoping to build.
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Lessons to Get Ahead in the Creator Economy with Alex Sunshine | Ep #743
24 Nov· Smart Agency Masterclass with Jason Swenk: Podcast for Digital Marketing Agencies
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Are you navigating the complex world of influencer marketing? What do you look for in an ideal creator-agency collaboration? Many agency owners focus solely on follower counts when seeking creator partnerships, but is that really the key to success? Our featured guest launched his influencer marketing agency in 2019, anticipating the explosive growth of the creator economy. Having built his business over the past five years, he brings valuable perspectives on what truly matters in creator-agency relationships. Through both successes and setbacks, he's developed a nuanced understanding of what makes these partnerships thrive. Tune in for insights into the influencer industry and the challenges of running a business with a partner.

Alex Sunshine is the founder and CEO of Rising Suns Agency, a social media influencer agency that specializes in connecting brands and influencers. He built his agency five years ago when he noticed a need for more representation from influencers. He’ll share the complexities of mixing business and personal relationships, why real influence and trust is worth more than millions of followers when working with influencers, and the future of the influences economy.

In this episode, we’ll discuss:

What you should look for in an influencer partnership.

Setting realistic expectations for a successful creator-agency relationship.

The future of creator economy in the AI era.
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You Are Who You Associate With: Being Cautious Agency Partnerships
Alex's journey into the influencer marketing industry began organically, helping his then-girlfriend manage sponsorships and grow her social media presence. Although their relationship eventually ended, this experience proved invaluable when he launched his own agency in 2019, having identified a growing need for professional influencer representation.

Over the past six years, his agency has flourished, now employing a team of 25 people. However, this growth journey has taught Alex one crucial lesson: the importance of careful association, particularly when it comes to bringing new people into the business.

In his view, agency owners make the assumption that bringing in a partner or employees is straightforward and that they share their same level of skills, independence, and character. However, that is not necessarily the case and even three months might not be enough time to learn about someone’s true character.

While there are strategies like starting with temporary arrangements, such as 1099 contracts, before transitioning to more permanent roles, Alex draws an interesting parallel with dating and admits there are many variables. In the end, you can’t be sure what you’re going to get so be very careful with who you associate your agency brand that you’ve worked hard to build.

His advice is to be vigilant and take time to thoroughly evaluate potential partners' values, work ethic, and overall compatibility. After all, a business's success isn't solely determined by its products or services – it's equally dependent on the strength and integrity of its partnerships.
Working with Influencers? What You Should Look For
The key to successful influencer marketing isn't necessarily working with those who have massive follower counts. What truly matters is finding individuals who have carved out their own distinct niche and built a trusted relationship with their audience, regardless of its size. This trust becomes the foundation for authentic engagement and meaningful impact.

The most effective influencers are those who remain true to their genuine passions, whether they're sharing financial advice, discussing tech trends, or creating entertainment content. Their authentic approach naturally creates a unique identity that resonates with viewers. Modern audiences have become increasingly sophisticated, gravitating toward creators who offer genuine insights and relatable experiences rather than carefully curated personas.

This shift in audience preferences reflects a broader evolution in influencer marketing. Today's followers are less impressed by flashy displays of lifestyle and wealth; instead, they seek content that adds real value to their lives. This transformation emphasizes the importance of substance over style, with successful influencers focusing on creating meaningful, impactful content.

To effectively deliver value, influencers must deeply understand their brand partners' challenges and create content that meaningfully addresses these issues. Those with truly loyal audiences typically invest time in developing their unique content format rather than simply chasing trends. Success comes from self-awareness – understanding their strengths and weaknesses – and creating content that authentically showcases their personality while serving their audience's needs. This genuine approach is what ultimately captures and maintains audience attention.
Setting Realistic Expectations in an Ever-Changing Market
Success in the creator economy isn't a simple equation of strategy plus talent. As Alex learned through experience, there are numerous external factors beyond anyone's control that significantly impact outcomes. Early in his career, he made the common yet crucial mistake of over-promising results to creators based on past successes.

While these promises were grounded in previous achievements, Alex now recognizes the fundamental flaw in this approach. No matter how impressive an agency's track record, they remain subject to ever-changing market dynamics. This reality check led him to rethink how he communicates with potential clients.

Today, Alex advocates for a more measured approach: setting realistic expectations from the start. Rather than making grand promises, he transparently shares his team's past achievements while emphasizing that similar results—not necessarily greater ones—are what they confidently aim to deliver. This honesty in communication serves a dual purpose: it builds trust with creators and helps them understand that success often requires patience.

By establishing this clear understanding early in the partnership, creators are more likely to remain committed to the long-term process, even when immediate results don't match their initial expectations. This alignment of expectations ultimately creates a more sustainable and successful relationship between agencies and creators, benefiting all parties involved.
The Future of the Creator Economy in the AI Era
In Alex’s opinion, creators are not in the brand conversations as much as they should, with a lot of companies still investing in billboards and TV commercials. There’s a massive marketplace growing for creator spend and a lot of need for innovation.

There’s a lot to see about the creator economy’s future and many things will change thanks to innovation like AI. For instance, brands are increasingly exploring the creation of AI-driven accounts to manage their online presence, allowing for greater control over their messaging and engagement without the unpredictability that can accompany human influencers. This shift toward AI highlights the efficiency technology can bring and underscores a desire for consistency and brand integrity in an ever-evolving digital landscape.

However, despite its promise, AI is not without limitations and its rapid advancement raises ethical considerations around authenticity and trust. As brands increasingly turn to AI for content creation and customer engagement, there is a growing concern about the potential for disingenuous interactions. With this in mind, the challenge lies in striking a balance between leveraging AI's capabilities and maintaining a human touch that fosters trust and connection. Ultimately, the future belongs to those who can navigate this landscape with integrity and a commitment to serving their audience's needs.
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Break Free from the Grind to Build an Agency that RUNS WITHOUT YOU with Jim Matuga | Ep #742
20 Nov· Smart Agency Masterclass with Jason Swenk: Podcast for Digital Marketing Agencies
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Are you trapped in the exhausting cycle of "monthly chases," constantly pursuing short-term goals at the expense of long-term vision? Today’s featured guest stood on the brink of giving up, worn down by the relentless pursuit of monthly numbers. He decided to shift focus with a ten-year plan to start building an agency that could run without him. This way, he has been able to focus on different ways to grow the agency, like launching proprietary technology that turned into a fantastic foot-in-the-door and starting a podcast that has given him the opportunity to get in front of his target audience on a weekly basis. Tune in to hear Jim's inspiring story and insights on entrepreneurship and marketing.

Jim Matuga is the president and founder of InnerAction Media, a marketing agency that works with small startups and non-profits. Jim shares his journey from aspiring copywriter to starting his own agency in 2011, discusses the pivotal moments that led him to take the leap, how he broke free from the monthly chase, and the credibility that comes from developing proprietary technology.

In this episode, we’ll discuss:

Breaking free from chasing monthly numbers.

Turning AI adoption into agency innovation.

Getting in front of your target audience with a podcast.
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Starting an Agency at Life's Crossroads
In a departure from most agency owner stories, Jim had wanted to start an agency from very early on in his career. Armed with an advertising degree and visions of becoming a Madison Avenue copywriter, he seemed destined for the agency world. However, things didn’t go as planned and he ended up working in radio and local newspapers for fourteen years.

Instead of crafting campaigns in a Manhattan high-rise, Jim found himself building a career in radio and local newspapers. For fourteen years, he climbed the corporate ladder, but each promotion felt like a step away from his true ambition.

Finally, 2011 became Jim's year of transformation. In the midst of a difficult year he figured it was now or never. It seemed like the right time to jump into business as he was starting over after losing everything. After many years as a dream, his agency started on a random Tuesday from his kitchen table working from a used Mac he bought off Craigslist.
Breaking Free From the Monthly Grind
All agency owners go through a stage where it seems they’re doing everything and the agency itself is going through constant ups and downs. For Jim, it was right after the pandemic. During a session with his business coach, Jim voiced what many agency owners feel but few act upon: he was tired of the monthly scramble and ready for fundamental change.

Basically, Jim wanted a business that didn’t depend on him to run successfully. Rather than being defined by the numbers on a monthly report, he envisioned a future where the agency could operate seamlessly, even in his absence.

The breakthrough came through a crucial decision: bringing a longtime team member into the financial heart of the business. This wasn't just about delegating tasks—it was about sharing:

Complete financial transparency

Decision-making processes

Strategic planning responsibilities

Ownership of outcomes

With this collaborative approach, Jim was able to help this employee understand the part of the business he most disliked: sales. By working together, he was able to adapt his own personality and values to the sales process, resulting in innovative strategies and business development that Jim had not previously imagined. Such empowerment fosters a culture of trust and accountability, where team members feel valued and motivated to contribute to the agency's success.
Building a Strong Team Beyond the Solo Visionary
After fifteen years of growing his agency, perhaps the most valuable lesson for Jim has been that even the most brilliant vision needs a strong team to bring it to life. While his creativity and entrepreneurial drive launched the agency, its sustained success would depend on something more—the collective talent of a well-developed team.

Building a team that really understands their roles in the agency’s overall goals requires patience. You’ll need to give them time to develop into their roles, and give them opportunities and path forward with a clear vision of what the agency could be and what it should be.

This approach to leadership—rooted in patience and understanding—yields more than just a capable team. It creates an environment where innovation flourishes, resilience builds naturally, and team members feel empowered to contribute their best work.
The Difference Between Success and Significance
Jim’s new perspective on looking ahead with his ten-year plan instead of chasing monthly numbers helped him discover something profound: the difference between success and significance.

Most agency owners live or die by the numbers and are constantly focusing on what’s next, with success defined by tangible metrics: revenue, client acquisition, and market dominance. Yet, these markers, while important, can lead to a hollow victory if they do not align with a greater purpose.

In contrast, significance is about creating value that transcends profit margins. It involves making a difference in people's lives, whether through innovative solutions, community engagement, or fostering personal growth within a team.

Once an agency owners start creating value, success is not that important anymore, leading to a deeper sense of fulfillment and purpose.
Turning AI Adoption into Agency Innovation
Coming from a background in printed media, Jim’s original dreams about running an advertising agency focused on a print-oriented traditional agency. However, just a week into starting his business he realized everyone wanted video and web. Luckily, he adapted quickly and embraced the new technologies. In fact, Jim believes technology is a blessing for agencies.

At the time, he didn’t realize how these new technologies would play a role into the intricacies of owning a business. As businesses strive to capture attention in an increasingly crowded marketplace, the integration of artificial intelligence (AI) into marketing strategies has emerged as a game-changer.

Jim jumped to the opportunity of adapting new trends, as he most recently did with AI. In fact, his agency launched StoryMaker, a SaaS application that aims to demonstrate how AI can enhance storytelling and streamline content creation, ultimately empowering businesses to connect with their audiences more effectively.

The adoption of AI-driven marketing solutions can serve as a powerful retention strategy for agencies. In his case, Jim not only embraced the new technology, he now sells subscriptions across the country for this application and uses is as a foot-in-the-door, where every client gets a complimentary subscription to the app and a marketing blueprint he used to give away for free.

The credibility that comes from developing proprietary software further strengthens an agency's position in the market. As clients recognize the expertise and innovation behind tools like StoryMaker, it enhances the agency's reputation as a thought leader in the industry. This visibility can lead to new opportunities, such as speaking engagements and partnerships, which can further amplify the agency's reach and influence.
Creating Hundreds of Opportunities to Get in Front of Your Target Audience Weekly
As a big fan of podcasts and the power they have to help grow a brand, Jim created Positively West Virginia, a podcast dedicated to sharing the entrepreneurial journeys of small businesses and nonprofits in West Virginia.

With one episode a week posted since 2017, the podcast has brought Jim hundreds of opportunities to talk to small business owners, who are also his prospective clients. In the years since, Positively West Virginia has provided opportunities for visibility and building credibility, it has also helped him create value and create a platform for authentic narratives that resonate with his audience. This is especially true for small business owners, who often have compelling stories that can inspire and engage listeners.

Any business owner can take advantage of the way that podcasts can serve as a vital tool to share their journeys, connect with audiences, and inspire others. The ability to reach thousands of listeners with motivating narratives not only uplifts individual entrepreneurs but also strengthens the fabric of local communities. As the podcasting landscape continues to grow, small businesses that embrace this medium will find themselves well-positioned to thrive in an increasingly competitive environment.
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4 Key Elements in Event Marketing & Learning to Pivot Fast with Mark Testa | Ep #741
17 Nov· Smart Agency Masterclass with Jason Swenk: Podcast for Digital Marketing Agencies
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What happens when your entire industry comes to a sudden halt? Are you positioned for adaptability in the face of challenge? As an events agency owner, today’s featured guest watched his business model crumble in just one week when the pandemic struck and nearly devastate the entire events industry. It seemed the events industry survive however by embracing technology, his agency successfully transitioned client events to the digital space. They created innovative virtual experiences that kept the business alive during the lockdown.

Now, as in-person gatherings return, he's navigating yet another evolution: the emergence of hybrid events, as he tries to warm his clients up to this concept. Learn the most common pitfalls in event organization and his vision for the future of events in a post-pandemic world.

Mark Testa is the founder of the Mark Stephen Experiential Agency, an agency that specializes in creating memorable consumer experiences that help their clients stand out at major events. With over 20 years of experience, Mark discusses his journey from aspiring set designer to leading an agency that integrates live experiences with digital elements to help brands stand out, and how the pandemic almost ended his business.

In this episode, we’ll discuss:

Key elements of a successful event.

Learning to pivot in the face of change and adversity.

Integrating AI to create successful hybrid events.
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Threading a Path From Set Design to Experiential Marketing
Mark's journey into the experiential marketing industry began with a different dream altogether. Originally aspiring to become a set designer in New York City, he took what he thought would be a temporary detour into designing window displays to support himself. This seemingly modest compromise eventually led him down an unexpected but rewarding path.

As his work evolved from window displays to product launches, Mark found himself increasingly drawn to the creative challenges of his new role. Even when he attempted to return to NYU to pursue his original dream of set design, financial constraints led him back to visual merchandising at Macy's and working with sponsors during Fashion Week.

This experience with sponsors naturally evolved into a consulting business, where Mark helped brands create impactful environments that achieved their marketing objectives. A subsequent position managing events for a magazine further expanded his horizons, allowing him to travel and develop a passion for event production that eventually eclipsed his theatrical ambitions.

After eight years in the industry, Mark transitioned to freelance work, which organically grew into his own business venture. Though he initially didn't define his company's identity too rigidly, the increasing competition from full-service event companies prompted him to formally establish himself as an experiential agency.
3 Key Elements of a Successful Event that People Often Get Wrong
Overall objectives: One of the most crucial elements in planning an event is understanding the underlying objectives. It’s one of the first things Mark tried to define with clients. Are they looking to build a new business? Build brand awareness? Data collection? That needs to be clear before moving forward with planning.

Time: Next, the client should be aware that planning an event will require a lot of time, to the point you’ll need to treat it as a job. Time is an element people usually don’t understand and they figure an event can come together in a matter of a few weeks. As a rule, Mark and his team don’t take any new gigs that are under six weeks because they won’t be able to execute it to the best of their abilities. The more time you have to prepare the better the event will turn out.

Audience: Who is the audience the event is trying to reach? Realistic and clear about the goals are very important. Maybe you think a large event will make a big impact, but depending on the audience and the goals you can do better with a 40-person event that gets a conversation started with the ideal target audience. Just make sure to have a clear call to action. Don’t just send people off with a “thank you for coming”. Instead, invite them to have a conversation if they liked the event and if it touched on some of the issues they’ve been having with their businesses.
The Fourth Step: Establishing Clear Financial Expectations
Understanding the hidden costs of event organizing is crucial for successful client relationships, according to Mark. Location, timing, and seasonal factors all significantly impact event costs, yet clients often overlook these variables in their initial planning.

This is why Mark prioritizes budget discussions early in client conversations. He believes in establishing clear financial expectations from the start, rather than dealing with unpleasant surprises later. The budget, after all, serves as the foundation for every event decision and ultimately determines its scope and scale.

For instance, if a client's budget doesn't align with their vision of a 200-person event, Mark advocates for adjusting the scale rather than struggling to make an impossible budget work. A well-executed 40-person event, he argues, is far more successful than an underfunded larger gathering.

The key to managing these potentially difficult conversations lies in transparent communication. When agencies take the time to explain costs thoroughly and provide honest assessments of budgets, they often find that clients appreciate their candor. This transparency, while initially revealing gaps between expectations and reality, ultimately builds trust and elevates the agency's role from simple service provider to trusted advisor.
The Evolution of Events: From Shutdown to Hybrid Success
The pandemic dealt a devastating blow to the event industry, bringing it to an abrupt halt within a single week. The sudden shutdown left Mark questioning whether the industry would ever recover to its former glory—a concern that, fortunately, proved unfounded.

During those years, Mark fought not to succumb to despair and leveraged the agency’s existing resources and relationships to pivot towards new solutions.

Innovation emerged from necessity as the agency pivoted to digital technology. They developed immersive virtual experiences that replicated the interactivity of live events, not only helping them retain clients but also discovering new revenue streams with better profit margins than traditional gatherings.

However, the solution was only temporary and as soon as in-person events became viable again, clients began showing resistance to virtual alternatives. Learning from this experience, Mark now advocates for a balanced approach, blending digital and physical experiences. This hybrid approach allows agencies to cater to diverse client needs, ensuring that they remain relevant in a rapidly changing market.
Integrating Technology into Event Planning
The way that clients embraced the return of in-person events highlights the fundamental need for human connection that transcends time and circumstance. However, technological breakthroughs have changed a lot about how creatives work and it has certainly changed advertising.

Organizations are adapting to this reality by integrating technology in ways that enhance rather than replace human interaction. For instance, the use of AI tools such as MidJourney allows creatives to generate innovative ideas and visuals quickly, streamlining workflows. Of course, Mark acknowledges that while AI can aid in the creative process, it cannot replicate the physical execution and emotional nuances that human designers bring to their work.

The ability to take an imaginative concept and transform it into a tangible reality relies on human skills, intuition, and collaboration, which cannot be automated.
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Breaking Through Slow Growth to PROPEL YOUR AGENCY with Curtis Hays | Ep #740
13 Nov· Smart Agency Masterclass with Jason Swenk: Podcast for Digital Marketing Agencies
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Are you frustrated by slow growth? Does client churn keep you from really propelling ahead? Do you put off crucial decisions because you’re afraid of making the wrong choice? Today’s guest’s successful track record wasn’t enough to make him confident in his decisions on hiring or the stress of client turnover. A shift in focus helped him see consistency and adaptability are the key to agency growth. Learn about how he kept going and the strategy that helped him get through decision paralysis. He also shares the content marketing approach that transformed his agency's pipeline and helped them grow.

Curtis Hays is the owner of Collideascope, a digital agency specializing in B2B lead generation services. He shares his early struggles to form an effective hiring strategy, and how a podcast has been just what his agency needed to address self-promotion to build their pipeline.

In this episode, we’ll discuss:

Maintaining momentum when growth feels slow.

The power of podcasting to build the pipeline.

Breaking through decision paralysis.

Embracing mistakes in agency leadership.
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Converting Corporate Experience into Agency Ownership
Curtis began his career working in corporate right after college, starting with roles at smaller companies before landing an IT position supporting sales and services at a Fortune 500 company. Years later, he decided to relocate with his wife and found himself struggling to find work in his new city until he connected with two agency owners specializing in web development and IT services.

Taking charge of the IT services division, Curtis innovatively transformed the agency’s business model by implementing a retainer-based approach for IT services and went on to run that division for ten years.

His journey into agency ownership began once he figured it was time to start consulting and working on his own. Little by little he brought together a group of agency professionals he met over years in order to complement the services he provides, ultimately building what is now Collideascope.
How to Maintain Momentum When Growth Feels Slow
Thanks to a solid network, Curtis hasn’t experienced the typical struggles of finding and retaining talent. For most of his time with the agency, people who come work with him end up staying, which has allowed him to maintain a very low turnover rate. He is aware this is not always the case, as his team is frequently called to assist agency teams when they’re experiencing turnover.

On the other hand, marketing has been especially hard for him as he struggles to balance client needs with the demands of marketing his own agency. This is a common dilemma, where the focus on client work can overshadow the necessity of promoting the agency brand.

It seemed like every time he was finally getting ahead by gaining a new client he was losing another one. As a result, even though he has seen growth year-over-year, it’s been slow and never quite where he want s it to be. The resulting emotional toll has tempted Curtis to give up. However, he has learned to cultivate a positive mindset that embraces that growth is not just about the number of clients but also about building resilience and adapting to change.

In his experience, working with clients can help maintain this positive attitude. Instead of always working on the backend of the business, he makes sure to always get some consulting time, which gets him the opportunity to have some wins helping clients solve problems and gets him excited to do his work.

Sometimes it may seem like you’ve tried everything, however, a harder look at your process may reveal a key change that could help improve your results. As Curtis has learned, consistency is about committing to a process of continuous improvement and adaptation. Whether it’s refining service offerings, nurturing client relationships, or engaging in marketing efforts, the consistent application of effort is what drives growth.
Converting Listeners to Clients: The Power of Podcasting for Agencies
When traditional content marketing methods like newsletters and blogging weren't delivering the desired results, Curtis changed the strategy to try their luck with a podcast.

The journey wasn't immediate success. The first six months were admittedly challenging, marked by slow growth and a steep learning curve. However, once the team found their rhythm, the podcast began to yield unexpected benefits. Not only did it generate new leads, but it also served as a powerful educational tool for prospects in their pipeline, building the confidence needed to convert listeners into clients.

What started as an experimental marketing channel evolved into a valuable pipeline-building tool. The team discovered that through authentic storytelling and sharing customer experiences, they could forge deeper connections with their audience in ways that written content simply couldn't match. The podcast format allows them to showcase their expertise while maintaining a personal touch that resonates with potential clients.

Pro tip for podcasters: Try to not lose momentum with your listeners. After his first season, Curtis has learned to record episodes ahead of time. In the very beginning, it’s difficult to get listeners for your show. However, when they finally do, they’ll tend to binge several episodes so make sure you have a consistent upload schedule so you don’t lose the interest of new listeners.
Break Through the Overwhelm and Empower Your Team
As Curtis points out, many agency leaders find themselves overwhelmed with the burden of managing a growing team. On one hand, there’s the significant investment needed in bringing in new people with the right expertise. On the other hand, it’s also difficult to train and coach up people already in the business to transition into those positions.

Finding yourself paralyzed by questions regarding cash flow and profit means you’re not focusing on the most important asset, which is your time. The transition from Owner to CEO requires a shift in mindset, where the focus moves from doing everything yourself to empowering others to carry out the agency’s mission.

The journey to effective delegation begins with a simple but powerful exercise of auditing your time. Here's how to do it:

Take screenshots of your calendar for the past two weeks

Document all activities you've performed

Categorize these activities into two lists: tasks you love or energize you and tasks that drain your energy or you'd rather never do again

With your audit complete, start delegating low-value tasks off your plate. After that, hire at least one of the people you’ll need to start getting high-level tasks you never want to do again. You don’t necessarily have to go out and hire a COO right away when you’re running a twenty-person agency, but you can start by hiring a director of operations.

Prioritize strategic hiring to identify the right individuals with the skills and mindset necessary to contribute to the agency's vision. By carefully selecting team members who align with the agency's goals and values, owners can create a strong foundation for growth.
Learning to Embrace Mistakes in Agency Leadership
A lot the fear of hiring new team members revolves around getting it wrong and regret the decision. This usually leads to hanging on to that person for too long, even though they’re not the right fit, just to avoid going through the hiring process again.

Simply put, mistakes are inevitable as you grow your agency. At some point, you’ll look back at your hiring mistakes or bad clients as lessons. Learn to laugh at the mistakes and craziness that happens in this business and you’ll enjoy the ride much more.

For example, Curtis looks back at how rigid he was with his team when it came to working remote. He knows now that his opposition to it was a big mistake. This experience taught him the importance of embracing adaptability to new practices, tools, and methodologies that provide a significant edge or allowing them to streamline operations and focus on higher-value tasks.
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Clarity as the Catalyst for New Momentum and Agency Growth with Ed East | Ep #739
10 Nov· Smart Agency Masterclass with Jason Swenk: Podcast for Digital Marketing Agencies
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Have you ever felt like abandoning your agency? Overwhelmed or insecure about the direction the agency is headed? If so, you're not alone. At some point, we all face moments of doubt and struggle to keep momentum. Today’s guest is an agency owner who built his business over the past ten years. He recently experienced a downturn that led him to question whether he still enjoyed the work. It was a solid business plan and clear vision that helped him get the agency back on track. Learn more about why he needed clarity and communication to get his confidence back and what excites him about the new developments of generative AI and how it’s changing advertising.

Ed East is the founder of influencer marketing agency Billion Dollar Boy. He shares his journey into the agency world, creating a database connecting blogs with brands and agencies. Ed also discusses the low point that made him question his commitment to the agency, the realization that helped him rebuild his confidence, and the new tech that is already revolutionizing advertising and brand-audience connections.

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How clarity builds new momentum for agency growth.

Leveraging generative AI to elevate the creative process.

How agencies can use creator advertising.
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Turning a College Hobby Into a Legitimate Agency
Although he’s an accidental agency owner, Ed was always keen on starting a business which is why he took his first entrepreneurial steps during university. Back then, he started a blog with some friends focused on lifestyle, music, and sports that quickly got up to 50,000 views a month. However, they soon realized that page views alone weren't enough to generate an income.

Luckily, with so many views it was just a matter of time before they started to get offers to promote brands on the blog. This development led to a new idea: building a database where agencies and brands could find the right blogs to place their ads. As they worked on that database, YouTube and Instagram started to surge as a new way to advertise content. This changed the plan a bit; it wouldn’t be a database just for blogs but also include social media accounts.
How Clarity Builds New Momentum for Agency Growth
Over the past decade, Ed's journey in the agency world has been a rollercoaster of experiences, teaching him valuable lessons about perseverance and adaptability. Reflecting on his original business plan, he's come to appreciate the importance of balancing a clear vision with the flexibility to navigate unexpected paths.

Interestingly, he has only recently questioned his commitment to the business. Although the thought of giving up has never crossed his mind, Ed did start to question the enjoyment he got from the work he was doing.

The catalyst for this soul-searching was the challenging economic climate, which saw marketing budgets slashed. This has added a lot of pressure to agencies that saw their growth slow down while client expectations rose.

It all took a positive turn once Ed created a well-defined plan and shared it transparently with his team. And even though the agency is not out of the woods yet Ed's renewed sense of purpose and his team's alignment have positioned the agency to face the future with confidence.

When all team members understand the agency’s overarching goals and their roles in achieving them, they are more likely to feel empowered and energized. This newfound confidence can lead to innovative solutions and a more robust pipeline of opportunities. Ultimately, clarity acts as a catalyst for action. Without it, you won’t be able to build a strategy that you’ll follow to success.
Leveraging Generative AI to Elevate the Creative Process
Being in influencer marketing, Ed has seen the integration of Generative Artificial Intelligence (Gen AI) emerge as a transformative force. Although very new this use of AI can work very well when done correctly and is reshaping the creative collaboration paradigm. This technology not only streamlines creative processes but also enhances collaboration between brands and creators, leading to innovative and impactful campaigns.

One of the most striking revelations from his experiences is the shift in perception regarding the role of Gen AI in creative campaigns. Traditionally, brands viewed Gen AI as an add-on—a supplementary tool to enhance existing creative strategies. However, Ed sees the response from brands during presentations led by his CMO are markedly different. Brands expressed a desire to leverage Gen AI as a core component of their creative vision, allowing it to drive the lead creative piece of their campaigns. This shift signifies a broader understanding of Gen AI's potential to elevate the creative process rather than merely augment it.
Redefining the Brand-Audience Connection
The landscape of advertising is undergoing a profound transformation. Ed believes creator advertising, powered by generative AI, is at the forefront of this revolution. This shift represents more than just a passing trend; it's a fundamental reimagining of how brands connect with their audiences in an increasingly competitive digital marketplace.

Creator advertising places creators at the center of marketing strategies. Traditionally, advertising has been structured around established media channels, such as television and print, where brands dictate the narrative. However, the landscape has shifted dramatically with the rise of social media and digital platforms, where creators wield substantial influence and have cultivated dedicated followings. This shift necessitates a rethinking of how brands engage with their audiences, leading to the adoption of creator-led advertising strategies.

Agencies are now hiring creative strategists and media planners from various backgrounds—especially those with experience in traditional advertising—to work alongside influencer marketing teams. This collaborative approach allows for the repurposing of content across multiple channels, extending the reach and impact of creator-driven campaigns. As we look to the future, the evolution of creator advertising is poised to redefine the marketing landscape.
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The Myth About Niching Down and How to Be Solution-Focused with Daniel Lofaso | Ep #738
6 Nov· Smart Agency Masterclass with Jason Swenk: Podcast for Digital Marketing Agencies
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Has your agency reached a growth plateau? Have you thought about narrowing your focus to enhance your marketing efforts? In this interview, you'll hear from an agency owner who relied on referrals for years until the post-pandemic landscape shifted. While his business thrived during the early pandemic, it faced challenges as larger clients began consolidating. In response, he strategically pivoted to specialize in the biotech sector. Tune in to explore his initial hiring challenges, the transformative effects of niching down, and his ongoing refinement of the sales process to secure more clients.

Daniel Lofaso is the owner of Digital Elevator, a marketing agency focused on helping helps emerging biotech companies with full-circle marketing campaigns. He discusses challenges he found in building the right team, the reason he decided to niche down and the impact it has had on his agency, his approach to selling, and more.

In this episode, we’ll discuss:

Trading short-term profit for long-term success.

Striking a balance between niche marketing and client diversity.

Is honesty a problem in sales? Being Sales-centric vs. Solution-focused
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From the Skies to the Agency Path
Though he earned his pilot's license after college, Daniel realized his heart wasn't in aviation. Instead, a connection with a fellow flight school student who had agency experience sparked a new direction. T together, they launched an SEO agency targeting the legal sector. This was a pioneering move at a time when digital marketing agencies were just beginning to explore the potential of SEO and social media platforms.

Eventually, his entrepreneurial spirit emerged from years of reading his father’s business books which led Daniel to venture on his own. It seemed like the logical move for someone who always knew he just wouldn’t be happy as somebody’s employee. However, he admits it was probably too early and needed support from his parents until he could get his footing, but ultimately the early start proved to be a valuable learning experience.

Fourteen years later he has grown his business to a successful agency that made it past the post pandemic struggles and managed to successfully pivot to a new niche.
Trading Short-Term Profit for Long-Term Success
Like many agency owners, initially struggled with early hesitation to invest in talent due to the immediate financial implications. He was accustomed to a certain income and the prospect of hiring new talent meant a temporary setback in monthly earnings.

However, a realization changed his perspective: scaling wasn't just about acquiring more clients—it required building a capable team that could deliver exceptional results. Daniel came to understand that strategic investment in talent wasn't merely an expense on the balance sheet, but rather a catalyst for long-term growth and personal freedom. This investment would allow him to step back from day-to-day operations and focus on what truly mattered: strategic planning and nurturing client relationships.

In the end, it’s not just about the money but also about saving time. Agency owners tend to make decisions based on short-term cash flow rather than time, which inevitably leads to burnout and missing important moments with family.

Of course, concerns about maintaining consistent revenue to support employee salaries weighed heavily on his mind. Yet, the decision to invest in human capital ultimately became the defining factor between stagnation and success. By overcoming his initial hesitation and embracing the power of a skilled team, Daniel discovered the key to unlocking his agency's potential. This shift in mindset not only fostered a culture of innovation but paved the way for sustainable growth—proving that sometimes the biggest leaps forward require taking a calculated step back.
Finding the Right Balance Between Niche Marketing & Client Diversity
After experiencing significant growth during the pandemic, the agency faced a plateau as some big clients were acquired by larger entities post-Covid and no longer required their services.

This setback forced Daniel to pivot and reassess his business strategy, ultimately leading him to specialize in the biotech industry. The agency already had clients in this niche that had historically accounted for a large percentage of their income. This meant they already had experience and the case studies to attract more clients, which made it a great strategic move to redefine the agency’s positioning.

Nonetheless, Daniel also emphasizes the importance of not limiting oneself strictly to the chosen niche. Fortunately, he got the right advice at the time to maintain relationships with existing clients outside of the primary focus area, an approach that can prevent the pitfalls of overspecialization. Many agency owners mistakenly believe that in order to grow, they must eliminate all clients that fall outside their niche. This, according to Daniel, is a significant misstep. By continuing to serve diverse clients while marketing primarily to a niche, agencies can create a more stable revenue stream and mitigate the risks associated with market fluctuations.

Niching down, he learned, was more about making it easier to market the agency. This way, he would be talking to one buyer persona and spend less on ads, avoiding competition with big agencies with many more resources.
Is Honesty a Problem in Sales? Shifting from Sales-Centric vs. Solution-Focused
At some point, most agency owners choose to build a well-trained sales team and exit operations. This was the case with Daniel, after an expert reviewed his agency’s sales process and found Daniel too honest in setting expectations.

However, being transparent and genuine with clients not only fosters trust but also positions the agency as a reliable partner for problem-solving. Clients don’t want to be sold to; they seek solutions to their problems. This paradigm shift from a sales-centric approach to a service-oriented mindset is crucial for any successful sales team.

Consumers are weary of insincerity. They are often on guard, anticipating a sales pitch that prioritizes profit over their needs. By contrast, when a salesperson approaches a client with genuine intent to help, it changes the dynamic. Clients feel valued and understood, leading to a more open dialogue.

By openly discussing budget constraints and advising potential clients on what they truly need, you can demonstrate that authenticity can disarm skepticism and create a collaborative atmosphere. This approach not only builds trust but also establishes a foundation for long-term relationships.
The Unchanging Pillars of Success
Daniel’s advice for agency owners is to always look ahead, not just at how things may change some months or years from now, but also at the things that are not going to change.

Clients, regardless of the industry, consistently seek solutions to their problems. They want quick resolutions and cost-effective options. These needs are not fleeting; they are the bedrock of client relationships and the driving force behind business operations. By honing in on these constants, agencies can position themselves as indispensable partners in their clients' journeys, rather than merely service providers chasing after temporary market trends.

Ultimately, success in digital marketing hinges on understanding and meeting the unchanging needs of clients.
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The Art of Helping: the Key to Building Strategic Partnerships with Dr. Jeremy Weisz | Ep #737
3 Nov· Smart Agency Masterclass with Jason Swenk: Podcast for Digital Marketing Agencies
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Are you searching for innovative ways to supercharge your agency’s lead generation? What’s your number one source of leads and how can you scale it? Leveraging partnerships is one of the most effective lead generation strategies for agency owners. This is something today’s featured guest understands very well, as someone who understands the powerful role a good partner plays in growing an agency’s business.

His approach goes beyond mere networking—it's about creating a web of mutually beneficial relationships that naturally drive growth. His success stems from a simple yet powerful principle: help others succeed, and your own success will follow. Discover his philosophy on building relationships before asking for favors and how podcasting can enhance professional development and foster meaningful connections in business.

Jeremy Weisz, is a seasoned podcaster, entrepreneur and the co-founder of Rise25, an agency that helps companies launch and run podcasts profitably. Through his podcast Inspired Insider, Jeremy has been amplifying voices and building bridges for small entrepreneurs for over fifteen years. He talks about his work helping businesses launch and manage their own podcasts and reflects on the incredible guests he's interviewed, including notable figures like the co-founder of Pixar and the founder of Atari, highlighting the invaluable insights gained from these conversations.

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A strategic approach to scaling your agency.

Ensuring mutual benefits and shared values in partnerships.

Building relationships before asking for favors.
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Leveraging Partnerships for Sustainable Agency Growth
Agency growth often begins with referrals, a crucial element in pushing past the first million in revenue. However, referrals alone aren't scalable and typically have limitations. When Jeremy thought about a way to create a predictable referral pipeline the only logical answer seemed to be partnerships.

Business partnerships are collaborative relationships between two or more entities aimed at achieving mutual benefits. These partnerships can take various forms, including joint ventures, strategic alliances, and referral partnerships. The primary goal is to leverage each partner's strengths to create a synergy that enhances value for all parties involved.

To find your ideal partners, Jeremy recommends building a list of the best companies in your industry who share your audience. Who are those organizations and people that could be great referral partners and how could you give as much as possible to them? After all, the best way to get a referral is to give a referral.

Next, think about how you could help them. It could be referring clients, writing a LinkedIn post recommending their services, hosting them on your podcast, or even commenting and sharing their post on social media. This way, you’ll not only be showcasing the partner's expertise but also reinforcing your commitment to supporting their success.

It’s very important for Jeremy that this referrals are given without expecting something in return. If the company holds the same values as you, they’ll also be givers and return the favor, thus solidifying the relationship.

By forming strategic alliances with other businesses, companies can access new markets, share resources, and amplify their reach and adopting a giving-first approach will help you build strong, lasting partnerships that contribute to their overall success and resilience in the marketplace.
Reciprocity in Partnerships: Ensuring Mutual Benefits and Shared Values
How do you know when a partner is not the right fit after a while? The giver mentality is commendable but you should be looking to align with partners who share similar values and are equally committed to the relationship.

If a partner consistently takes without reciprocating, it may be time to reevaluate the partnership. Successful collaboration requires a balance of giving and receiving; thus, businesses must remain vigilant in ensuring that their partnerships are mutually beneficial.

Maybe you’ve referred numerous clients to a partner, only to receive little acknowledgment in return. This lack of appreciation can lead to dissatisfaction and, ultimately, the dissolution of partnerships. In contrast, when appreciation is expressed, it fosters goodwill and encourages continued collaboration. A simple thank you can go a long way in reinforcing these connections. Mutual respect and acknowledgment can enhance loyalty and commitment.
Who Are Your Agency’s Ideal Partners?
What is your ideal partner profile? Depending on your needs, it may be associations, publications, conferences, technology, other agencies, or even competitors. For Jeremy, the ideal partner it’s someone serving B2B businesses with a high client-lifetime value. For businesses operating in the B2B sector, focusing on high-value partnerships can be a game-changer, driving growth, enhancing credibility, and creating a sustainable competitive advantage.

At the heart of successful B2B partnerships is the concept of high client lifetime value. Businesses that cater to clients with substantial lifetime values are particularly well-suited for referral partnerships.

One effective strategy for identifying potential partners is to explore industry-specific conferences and associations. These events serve as fertile ground for networking and establishing connections with key players in the industry. For instance, a business targeting dentists could benefit immensely from forming relationships with major dental associations or attending relevant conferences. Such interactions can lead to valuable partnerships that amplify visibility and credibility within the niche.
Build Relationships Before Asking Favors
Once you've compiled your list of ideal partners and identified where to find them, the next step is to initiate relationship-building. The key is to start by "making deposits" before expecting anything in return.

What does this mean? When reaching out to potential partners, always do so from a place of wanting to help rather than seeking out what they can do for you. By offering assistance, insights, or resources without an immediate ask, you will build trust and rapport. This strategy significantly increases the likelihood that partners will reciprocate in the future.
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Do You Have the Right Support to Grow Your Agency? 3 Benefits of Community with Darby Copenhaver | Ep #736
30 Okt· Smart Agency Masterclass with Jason Swenk: Podcast for Digital Marketing Agencies
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Do you need guidance in your agency journey? Could a coach be the game changer your agency needs? Maybe so, but maybe not. Many agency owners naturally turn to a coach for support and growth advice. And, while coaches excel at addressing specific challenges, their impact often plateaus after a few months due to the inherent limitations of single-perspective coaching.

Today’s featured guest is our scale specialist who has closely observed the growth trajectories of numerous mastermind members. Through his unique vantage point, he's witnessed how the most valuable exchanges often occur organically — outside of scheduled meetings — when members freely share experiences and insights. These connections flourish during in-person events, where authentic relationships take root.

He sees the way these relationships foster trust and create a dynamic environment for growth that transcends what any single “business coach” provides.

As Agency Scale Specialist on our team, Darby Copenhaver regularly meets with all our members and connects with them at our in-person events. He sees just how much those events make a difference in the ways which members engages with the community. The live events foster the community element so each member receives guidance and advice for their particular challenges while also having fun and connecting with peers in a way they wouldn’t if stuck in a conference room all day. This conversation highlights the difference between what agency owners think they need and the actual support they might benefit from.

In this episode, we’ll discuss:

The limitations of 1:1 coaching for agency growth.

3 benefits of an agency owner community.

The power of in-person connection for professional growth.
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Why Coaching Alone Isn't Enough to Scale Your Agency
One of the challenges of scaling past a certain point is the vision you need to get there often necessitates some outside help. At this point, most agency owners figure they need a “coach” to get them to the next stage of growth.

This is undoubtedly the right approach for many people. However, while coaching can provide valuable insights and strategies, there are inherent limitations that come with relying solely on individual coaches. As many agency owners find out, coaching has a finite perspective. Despite the expertise and experience of a coach, their ability to offer solutions is ultimately constrained by their unique viewpoint.

Darby and Jason agree, coaching has a very important role in addressing specific business challenges. Coaches bring a wealth of experience and knowledge instrumental in helping agency owners navigate obstacles. A coach can provide tailored strategies, accountability, and a sounding board for ideas, — all incredibly beneficial, especially for those who are just starting or facing particular hurdles.

Each coach has their own set of experiences, beliefs, and methodologies that inform their approach. While this individuality can lead to innovative solutions, it also means that the coach's insights are inherently limited to their own understanding of the industry and the challenges faced by agency owners.

In light of these limitations, Darby advises agency owners to seek a more diversified array of resources and perspectives. Relying solely on a single coach creates an echo chamber, where ideas and strategies become repetitive and lack the innovation necessary for sustained growth. Instead, they should consider leveraging a combination of coaching, peer support, and community engagement.
3 Main Benefits of an Agency Owner Community
Agency owners are always navigating an industry that is both highly competitive and ever-evolving. Often this leads to them feeling isolated in their role as the leaders who set the vision and direction for the agency. In this sense, few things make as much difference as connection among peers to foster a sense of belonging and understanding.

Community: When agency owners come together—whether at events, workshops, or informal gatherings—they create a community that transcends individual experiences. This connection aspect is vital as it allows members to share their stories, challenges, and triumphs, support one another and encourage vulnerability and authenticity. This open exchange of experiences cultivates an environment where each owner feels heard and valued, setting the stage for deeper insights and learning.

Clarity: A natural byproduct of these connections is clarity. When agency owners engage with one another, they can step back from their daily grind and gain fresh perspectives on their challenges. This clarity is not merely about understanding their business metrics; it encompasses a broader awareness of their goals, values, and the strategies needed to achieve them.

Confidence: Along with clarity and insights from community, owners gain a sense of purpose and a plan. While plans may not be foolproof, having a framework—shaped by collective wisdom—significantly increases the likelihood of success: Simply put, camaraderie can embolden individuals to take risks, experiment with new ideas, and ultimately pursue their unique definitions of success.
The Power of In-Person Connection in Professional Growth
The importance of in-person connections cannot be overstated. While technology has enabled us to connect with others across vast distances, it is in-person experiences that often lead to deeper bonds and a sense of community, as mastermind members have been able to see during our annual events.

In a mastermind setting, such as Agency Mastery, monthly virtual meetings offer valuable insights through structured calls focused on topics relevant to all members. However, Darby sees the most meaningful connections emerge outside the formal meetings, when members take their conversations offline and share personal stories. These initial bonds then strengthen significantly during our in-person events.

Members consistently highlight the relationship-building aspects of these face-to-face gatherings are what they value most. These events provide a unique space for personalized feedback and collaborative growth among successful agency owners. Rather than being confined to conference rooms, the Agency Mastery team incorporate engaging activities like horseback riding, allowing members to connect authentically while enjoying themselves away from the usual distractions of phones, clients, and daily business challenges.

The success of these events largely stems from our careful approach to group composition. By maintaining small, exclusive groups and setting high standards for both business achievement and cultural fit, Jason and team have created a tight-knit community of professionals who genuinely support each other's growth and success.
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The Power of Community for Significant Agency Growth with Andi Graham | Ep #735
27 Okt· Smart Agency Masterclass with Jason Swenk: Podcast for Digital Marketing Agencies
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Do you feel along or isolated in your agency leadership journey? Wonder how it feels to have people who ‘get you’ and understand the unique challenges of owning an agency? Today’s featured guest faced numerous insecurities and challenges on her growth journey. Ultimately, the pivotal moment came when she joined a peer community, which encouraged her to adopt a new mindset and explore various solutions and strategies. Discover her unexpected journey into entrepreneurship and how the support of her peer community empowered her to confidently remove misaligned talent and pursue strategic partnerships, alleviating the burdens of ownership.

Andi Graham is the CEO and founder of Big Sea, a marketing agency that began its journey as a web development firm in 2005. She shares her unique educational background, her interest in the intersection of communication and behavior change, and discusses her self-taught journey into graphic design and how realizing her vision was bigger than her skills paved the way for starting to build a team and eventually starting an agency.

In this episode, we’ll discuss:

The role of community in embracing a different approach to agency challenges.

Learning the importance of due diligence in an agency merger.

Lessons on the high price of misaligned talent.
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Accidental Agency Owners: Embraces Your Strengths and Delegate Weaknesses
Although Andi graduated with a bachelor's degree in Sociology, her true passion was advertising and understanding the connection between communication and behavior change. She also taught herself design and had fun creating menus for the pizza shop where she was working at the time.

Later on, in her first professional role, she got to dive into other marketing activities like starting the company’s first email newsletter. To enhance her skills, she learned coding to implement more visual modifications than the newsletter platform could offer. Eventually, she started building websites and taking freelance clients and realized she had built something more lucrative than her full-time job.

When the time came to intentionally start growing her business, Andi knew her strengths are copywriting and project organization but lacked in design and web development skills. It was time to start hiring people with expertise in these areas to improve the quality of her services. She recognized she was more of a jack of all trades but lacked the patience to get really good in a particular area. It was the right combination of skills to become a business owner, as running a business requires learning a little bit about every part of the business.
The Importance of Community in Agency Leadership
One of the most significant challenges Andi faced while launching her own business was the struggle to balance financial realities with her desire to cultivate a positive workplace culture. Yes, she wanted her team to have fun and like her but she also needed to run a profitable business.

However, finding a community of peers who understood the unique difficulties of agency ownership proved to be a game-changer for her. She quickly learned that, although her peers faced the same challenges, they were approaching them with a different mindset. This highlighted the importance of perspective in business and the need for a supportive community that encourages open dialogue and shared learning.

This camaraderie was not just about commiserating over shared challenges; it became a platform for exchanging solutions and strategies and helped Andi appreciate the value of having a “tribe” who not only validate your experiences but also inspire you to adopt new approaches to your work.
The Significance of Due Diligence in an Agency Merger
By 2016, Andi found herself feeling overwhelmed by the demands of running her agency alone and yearned for more quality time with her daughter. She had connected with various agency owners, which enabled her to build relationships with peers whose skills complemented her own. This collaboration led to a partnership that resonated with both her personal and professional goals.

Each partner brought unique strengths to the table, whether in sales, operations, technology, or marketing and creative projects. This division of labor allowed everyone to concentrate on their passions, ultimately enhancing job satisfaction and productivity.

However, the journey was not without its challenges and Andi regrets not conducting thorough due diligence on her partners prior to the merger. As a result, she encountered unexpected friction due to undisclosed ownership stakes that created tension in decision-making processes. Fortunately, there was a positive outcome, with a successful buyout of the problematic partner handled with care and mutual respect.

Collaborative partnerships are not merely transactional; they are rooted in shared values, trust, and open communication. As Andi learned, prioritizing alignment in partnerships is essential for fostering a healthy, productive, and fulfilling business environment.
Lessons on the Hidden Cost of Misaligned Talent
Another significant challenge Andi encountered was the difficulty small agencies face in attracting and retaining talent that not only possesses the necessary skills but also aligns with the team's dynamics and values.

At one point, she struggled to let go of a highly skilled developer whose negative attitude was detrimental to the work environment. This is a common pitfall for agency owners who often become overly reliant on individuals with specialized skills, overlooking the importance of interpersonal dynamics and team cohesion. Recognizing that technical expertise does not automatically translate to a good cultural fit is a vital lesson for leaders.

Ultimately, Andi faced several situations that taught her the importance of recognizing early signs of misalignment and getting over the fear of disruption and the perceived challenge of replacing a key player can lead to prolonged periods of dissatisfaction within the team. She is now much more confident in her team’s potential for resilience and adaptability in the face of personnel changes.
Embracing the Long Game in Agency Growth
Having run her agency for almost twenty years, Andi has learned the value of patience as it become clear that success is not merely a product of quick actions or rapid changes, but rather the result of sustained effort and the ability to endure challenges over time.

Although agency owners are usually fast-movers and very action-oriented, her recent agency rebrand has taught her the importance of building momentum through consistent actions and understanding that the efforts put forth today will yield results in the future, sometimes months or even years later. This long-term perspective is essential for entrepreneurs who may feel disheartened by the slow pace of progress.
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Empower Your Team and Become the Leader You Wish You’d Had with Lauren Von | Ep #734
23 Okt· Smart Agency Masterclass with Jason Swenk: Podcast for Digital Marketing Agencies
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Have you ever questioned your effectiveness as a leader? What steps have you taken to enhance your leadership skills and empower your team to independently address challenges? Today’s featured guest experienced significant growth and had to learn to evolve her leadership skills. She has grown a team of now 110 people and built a business that can run without her, all while maintaining the necessary work-life balance. Hear how she went from executive assistant to paving her way as an agency owner in an unconventional niche.

Lauren Von is the founder and CEO of Quintessa Marketing, a unique agency that connects individuals who have been injured in accidents with personal injury lawyers. She shares her unexpected journey into the world of personal injury law, starting as an executive assistant and evolving into a pivotal role in sales and SEO for a company serving lawyers. She discusses the challenges and insights she gained while working closely with legal professionals and how these experiences laid the groundwork for launching her own business.

In this episode, we’ll discuss:

Hiring for cultural fit.

Becoming the type of leader you wish you’d had.

Team empowerment - building confidence.
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How Corporate Experience Can Shape Agency Success
Working with personal injury lawyers wasn’t exactly Lauren’s dream. She started as an executive assistant working in sales for AT&T, where her skills quickly shone through. One day, she successfully persuaded a hesitant customer to retain his phone instead of returning it, leaving such a lasting impression that he invited her to join his team.

Transitioning into the realm of personal injury law, Lauren honed her sales abilities over six years, ultimately spearheading the development of the company’s SEO division. Her proactive approach led to a significant increase in sales, transforming SEO into a cornerstone of the business. After gaining valuable agency experience, Lauren returned to Oklahoma as a new mother, figuring it was the perfect moment to start her own business.

She credits her time as an executive assistant and her gradual ascent within the company for equipping her with the insights necessary to run her own business. If something’s going wrong in the business, she’s probably seen it happen before at her previous workplace so she appreciates the experience that made her a better owner when the time came.
Scaling Without a Roadmap: A Key to Agency Expansion
One aspect of ownership that presented the biggest learning curve for Lauren was bringing on outside leadership to help scale and grow her business. Since she built her agency on a relatively new niche, she couldn’t just go to a competitor and pluck out their leadership. There was no blueprint so she needed to figure it out.

There was also a constant battle between allowing her team to make mistakes and giving them time to learn while running a profitable business.

Ultimately, Lauren needed to acknowledge the need to ask for help. No leader has all the answers and a key element of getting beyond a certain point in your growth will be accepting that and having the humility to seek guidance and advice from others.
Aligning Values: Hiring for Agency Culture Fit
Lauren’s hiring strategy relies on hiring individuals who align with her agency’s values. To this effect, she clearly defines her core values and conducts survey assessments that explore candidates' innate characteristics.

These assessments provide insights into candidates' personalities and their suitability for specific roles, particularly in a sales context. For instance, a potential hire might have all the best traits to fill a position, but if they don’t care about the company’s philanthropic values their motivations will not resonate with the agency's mission. This nuanced understanding of individual capabilities allows Lauren to make informed hiring decisions that prioritize long-term success over immediate financial gain.
Becoming the Type of Leader You Wish You’d Had
Lauren has felt like a bad leader many times during the agency's growth process, but she never stopped striving for improvement. As the business grew, she instated an open-door policy to encourage employees to have open communication with her and the leadership team and make herself more approachable.

As she tried to become the type of leader she’d wanted to have in the past, she realized that she needed to be a different leader for each worker. For instance, she believes the way she leads her accounting team should be different than how she leads her sales team. In this sense, she strives to really understand them to be able to inspire and lead them naturally.

Nowadays, Lauren is proud to say her company continues to thrive and grow, even when she is not physically present. This autonomy is crucial; it demonstrates that the organization is not solely reliant on the founder for direction. Instead, it cultivates a sense of resilience and adaptability, allowing teams to navigate challenges effectively. With this, her role has now evolved to be someone who removes obstacles, solves problems, is a subject-matter expert, and leads their philanthropy mission by investing in the community.
Team Empowerment: Building Confidence for Problem-Solving
With her team now equipped to address 99% of potential issues in her absence, Lauren is now able to enjoy more time with her family, promote the agency brand on podcasts, and meet clients in person.

For agency owners who have yet to reach this level of operational autonomy but aspire to empower their teams, it's essential to train them in a way that encourages independent problem-solving. This is something you can achieve using the one-three-one approach. Instead of coming to you with a problem and expecting you to provide a solution, have them already come up with three possible solutions of how they would personally solve this problem and why, and ask them which of these three solutions they would recommend. Eventually, they’ll stop coming to you because they have internalized that they are capable of coming up with an effective approach.

Although agency owners usually dream of accomplishing this level of agency autonomy, it can be hard to adapt to not being needed anymore. In these cases, agency owners should remember that they don’t have to let go of the part of the business they truly love doing. If you love being a part of a client’s first call then continue to do that. You don’t have to be part of the entire process. Just stick to the part of the business you truly enjoy and where you can have the biggest impact.

The two-week audit. The easiest way to figure out what you truly want to continue doing in the agency and what you want to delegate is to do a two-week audit. Take a screenshot of the past two weeks in your calendar and highlight each activity in either red – for the activities that drain you, or green – for the ones you truly enjoy. If you do this while being truly honest with yourself, you can start building the business around you.
Mastering the Art of Balance and Reclaiming Your Time
As a mom of five and an entrepreneur, Lauren manages to balance her personal and professional lives by having clarity and alignment. Together with her husband, she establishes clear goals and daily priorities, which allows them to effectively share responsibilities. She is intentional about her time at home, implementing boundaries that enable her to fully engage in family moments.

This principle extends to her business as well. When entrepreneurs and their teams engage in work that aligns with their core values, they tend to feel more energized and motivated. Such alignment not only boosts productivity but also cultivates a sense of purpose within the organization.

By figuring out how much time you need to focus on your agency to feel fulfilled yet have enough energy to dedicate to your family life, you’ll be able to have the proverbial “balance” entrepreneurial life promises and experience the luxury of buying back your time.
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Hiring and Training a Self-Managing Team to Build an Agency That Runs Without You with Mandi Ellefson | Ep #733
20 Okt· Smart Agency Masterclass with Jason Swenk: Podcast for Digital Marketing Agencies
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Would you like to remove yourself from the day-to-day agency operations? Do you have an effective hiring process to attract top talent for agency roles? In today’s discussion, our featured guest explains how failing to secure the best candidates often stems from a poorly designed hiring process, starting with the job advertisement. She shares essential strategies for crafting an engaging job ad, fostering self-managing teams, and identifying the qualities of an outstanding operations manager. Join us to discover how to effectively find, hire, and train the right operations professional to elevate your agency.

Mandi Ellefson is the founder of Hands Off CEO, a company dedicated to helping busy CEOs drive sustainable growth without sacrificing their lifestyle and family. Mandi shares her journey of building a business that allows for true freedom, discusses the importance of creating an effective hiring funnel to attract the right talent, and provides insights on and crafting job ads that resonate with top candidates. Learn how to effectively delegate responsibilities and build a business that supports your lifestyle.

In this episode, we’ll discuss:

The importance of a compelling job ad.

Cultivating self-managing employees from day one.

Key traits of an exceptional ops manager.
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Hiring and Training for Success: Build an Agency That Thrives Without You
Mandi started Hands Off twelve years ago when she ran into a big problem as she was about to take maternity leave: her business could not run or grow without her. Her search for a solution led her to accidentally start a consulting company to prevent other business owners from getting to the stressful point she found herself in years ago.

Most agency owners are not hands-off and can’t even say they own their agency, more like it owns them. This is why they need strategic hiring practices and methodologies to ensure they recruit individuals who can truly add value to their operations.

The crux of the hiring process lies in identifying candidates who not only possess the requisite skills but also align with the company’s culture and vision. For Mandi, this all hinges on putting together the right hiring funnel, which starts with the right ad that outlines the responsibilities of the role and highlights what makes the agency an attractive workplace.

An ineffective hiring funnel usually leads to:

Hiring a person that is well below the level you need.

Not knowing how to effectively train this person you hire.

Even if you do find someone who is the right fit for the job and your agency, they could end up failing without the right structure to learn how to operate your business.
The Importance of Compelling Job Ad to Attract the Right Candidates
To create a well-structured hiring process start with a compelling job ad that clearly outlines the responsibilities for the role and resonates with potential candidates. A great ad emphasizes the company culture, growth opportunities, and the impact they can have within the organization.

A strong ad serves as the first filter, ensuring only those who are genuinely interested in the position apply. Add small ‘mousetraps’, like asking them to email you with a specific subject or with the CV attached, and watch as many of the candidates get themselves out of the race just by not following directions.

In terms of experience, Mandi recommends looking for people who not only have relevant operational experience but also possess the ability to adapt and grow within the role. This includes assessing their problem-solving skills, their capacity to manage teams, and their understanding of the agency's specific goals and challenges.

Additionally, Mandi recommends assigning candidates a detailed project plan. This exercise allows them to demonstrate their proficiency with project management software and their grasp of the complexities involved in juggling multiple tasks. By engaging candidates in practical assessments, agency owners can effectively distinguish between those who may be skilled at talking the talk but cannot walk the walk. This method of assessment is crucial for identifying genuine talent and reducing the risk of hiring individuals who may not deliver on their promises.

Finally, it’s normal to find a failure point during the hiring process. It doesn’t necessarily have to be a deal breaker but something that concerns you enough to be unsure about the hire. It could be that they’re too shy or a people-pleaser. If you encounter this type of risk, assess it and find out if it can be retrained.
Cultivating Self-Managing Employees from Day One
Once the right candidates are onboarded, it is crucial to establish a structured training plan that reinforces their proactive engagement in their roles. Mandi advocates for empowering operations managers to create week-by-week plans that outline their responsibilities and milestones. This approach not only fosters accountability but also encourages managers to take ownership of their projects. Agency owners play a supportive role by regularly checking in on progress, asking questions, and providing assistance as needed.

Agency leaders need to shift from a traditional management style to a more empowering approach where they recognize their role is not to micromanage but to create an environment where team members can thrive independently. You want them to be self-managing. This perspective is crucial; when team members are given the autonomy to take ownership of their work, they become more engaged, motivated, and accountable. Empowering individuals to manage their own tasks not only alleviates the burden on leaders but also cultivates a culture of trust and collaboration.

Eventually, the implementation of key pieces, such as client health scoring, project management, and communication protocols serve as critical tools to exit the agency owner out of account management and operations management and ultimately have a right-hand employee who will be in charge of driving growth.
Key Traits of an Exceptional Ops Manager
When it comes to hiring the right Operations Manager you’ll need to be handing off control to someone with a keen eye for detail, who is assertive, and can question decisions.

Impeccable attention to detail and follow-through is not merely a desirable trait; it is essential for ensuring that tasks are completed accurately and efficiently and serves as the foundation for operational excellence.

Additionally, this person is different from the typical Visionary/ CEO. Essentially, they adopt a more structured and perhaps serious approach, which is perfectly acceptable since ops managers operate in a very different way than a CEO does. Just make sure there’s good chemistry with this person and that they are not only skilled but also proactive in seeking efficiencies and cost savings.

This mindset is crucial in an operations role, where the ability to identify and eliminate waste can significantly impact the bottom line. However, the focus should not solely be on minor cost savings; rather, it should be about understanding where the greatest impact can be made.
Delegating Results, Not Processes
Entrepreneurs often fall into the trap of trying to dictate how tasks should be accomplished, which can stifle creativity and initiative. Instead, a true leader should clearly articulate their desired outcomes—such as improved profitability or streamlined operations—and empower their teams to devise the methods for achieving these goals. This shift in mindset allows team members to take ownership of their work, fostering a sense of responsibility and encouraging innovative problem-solving.

When your operations staff is empowered to take the lead in optimizing systems and processes, you’ll be able to redirect your energy toward strategic initiatives, such as sales and market expansion. This delegation not only enhances productivity but also maximizes the return on investment for your business.

First and foremost, effective leadership in operations starts with providing a clear strategic direction. CEOs must articulate the organization's vision and objectives to their operations leaders instead of merely assigning tasks and expecting results. This clarity allows operations leaders to align their efforts with the broader goals of the organization.
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How CLARITY In Storytelling CONNECTS You to More Clients with Park Howell | Ep #732
16 Okt· Smart Agency Masterclass with Jason Swenk: Podcast for Digital Marketing Agencies
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Do you use storytelling to connect with prospects and clients? Many agency owners know how to share great stories but use them to talk about their agency capabilities. Instead, today’s guest says we should use stories to connect with potential clients, creating content that resonates and engages them. Today’s featured guest is a creator of powerful brand stories who helps his clients understand the value of starting with a strong story framework. He believes clarity beats creativity when it comes to standing out in today’s market. Tune in to learn about his transition from agency life to consulting, teaching, and speaking on the power of story.

Park Howell is an EMMY award-winning business storytelling coach at The Business of Story. He is also a story strategist, keynote speaker, and podcaster known as the world's most industrious storyteller. He started as an agency guy, founding his agency Park & Co. in 1995, and then the digital era compelled him to transition to storytelling and the creative arts.

He discusses the valuable lessons learned while working with small and midsize agencies and how his unique background and insights into the power of story have shaped his career and approach to creativity.

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How clarity beats creativity in today’s marketing.

The ABT Framework.

Selling to emotion, not logic.
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Embracing Storytelling in a Noisy Digital World
Park always knew he wanted to use creativity to make a living and advertising seemed like the perfect vehicle to access what he calls the commerce of arts. After studying music theory and communications at Washington State University, he worked for several small and mid-size agencies in different roles including writer, account executive, media planner, and more.

At the time, he believed that the key to financial success was working for the big agencies. However, in hindsight, it was working at these smaller agencies and learning from so many sides of the business that gave him the experience he needed to launch his own agency in 1995.

Park opened a traditional advertising agency, which is what he knew, and found himself at a loss once the digital era kicked in and changed everything. The traditional way was no longer working and Park started to look for ways to communicate in the new, noisy, digital world where the masses were becoming the media.

His search for effective communication strategies led him to delve into the principles of storytelling, as taught in film schools. He discovered that Hollywood had mastered the art of engaging audiences in ways that traditional advertising had not. Seeing the power of storytelling, he realized very few people knew how to use these proven frameworks and started teaching his clients how to master this skill.

As his clients experienced success, new opportunities arose, including a teaching position in storytelling at the University of Arizona. Over time, Park realized that he had evolved beyond his identity as an 'ad guy' and was embarking on a new journey as a teacher and coach.
Clarity Beats Creativity in Today’s Marketing
Most agencies never really get storytelling and stick to exposing their audiences to death. According to Park, the emphasis on creativity in advertising no longer suffices now that it is not as exclusive as it used to be. Nowadays, creativity has become democratized as users create hysterical and clever memes all the time, which makes it harder for agencies to stand out on creativity.

Instead, clarity has taken precedence, offering a more effective means of connecting with audiences. If you’re not using the proper frameworks in communication then you’re not creating the clarity to stand out and really move the needle.

Clarity in storytelling means distilling complex ideas into digestible and relatable narratives. Every sale is a fictional story you get the client to buy into and then are expected to deliver on. Many agencies claim to be great storytellers, yet they often overwhelm their audiences resorting to an endless stream of exposition, failing to create a meaningful connection.

Park advocates for the use of narrative frameworks that enhance clarity. Personally, he prefers to use the "and, but, therefore" structure, which helps simplify storytelling process and ensure that the message resonates with the audience.
What is the ABT Framework?
And - a statement of agreement, the setup or act one of any message. This statement of agreement should be written from the audience’s point of view and demonstrate you understand them and appreciate what they want.

But - after establishing agreement, the narrative must introduce a conflict or problem knows as the ‘but’. This element serves as a plot twist that captures attention and resonates with the audience's frustrations and challenges.

Therefore - this presents a solution or a vision for what life could look like if the audience addresses the identified problem. This part of the narrative not only inspires hope but also encourages action, whether that means purchasing a product or engaging with a service.

Many brands fail to connect with their audiences because they focus too heavily on their own narratives and offerings, rather than positioning their messages from the audience's perspective. By shifting the focus to the audience and employing the ABT framework, brands can create narratives that resonate on a personal level, fostering a sense of connection and loyalty.
Simplifying Storytelling for Maximum Impact
Park believes people often fall into the trap of selling to logic when instead they should be selling to emotions. Consumers often make purchase decisions driven by emotion, so appeal to that first and foremost and then justify the purchase using logic and reason.

To create compelling narratives that resonate on an emotional level, ask yourself:
1. What does the client want?
2. What do they want to avoid?
3. Why should they listen to you?

For instance, rather than starting with a statement about the brand's greatness, the narrative should begin with the audience's needs and challenges. Agencies like Venable Bells Partners and companies like Patagonia and Nike exemplify using storytelling to highlight customers’ pain points and highlight an experience or an outcome instead of a product to great success.

The truth is people mostly don’t care about your agency or your offering. They care about what’s in it for them, which should serve as a wake-up call for marketers who may be overly invested in their own narratives. While there is certainly a place for showcasing your expertise and credentials, framing the conversation around your audience's desires and challenges will foster a more engaging and relatable message.
Good Problems vs. Bad Problems: Redefining Agency Focus
Having recently read The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck by Mark Manson, the main takeaway for Park and what he advises agency owners to do is to look at life as a series of problems and focus on the "good problems" while minimizing or eliminating the "bad problems." This distinction is crucial for agency owners and professionals seeking to thrive in their respective fields.

To effectively get the bad problems out of your life takes real focus on what you do, what you’re good on, and what you like to do. Bad problems arise when you’re not focused, have clarity and try to be too many things at once, which likely leads to burnout. On the contrary, when you’re solving good problems aligned with your agency's strengths and market niche you’ll feel a sense of flow and the work becomes not just a job, but a fulfilling endeavor.
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Leveraging AI to Create a HIGH IMPACT Foot-in-the-Door Offer with Abraham Bree | Ep #731
13 Okt· Smart Agency Masterclass with Jason Swenk: Podcast for Digital Marketing Agencies
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Are you currently utilizing AI or fear it will replace digital agencies? Most agency owners fall into one of these two categories. However, those open to exploring this technology's potential and maintaining a sense of curiosity will lead the way in innovation. Today’s featured guest lost some clients who opted for in-house ChatGPT services over his agency's offering.

Instead of staying fearful of losing all his clients to this technology, he was prompted to explore how AI could be leveraged to enhance his services. Through experimentation, he created what has become a very effective foot-in-the-door to showcase good results with very little investment. Tune in to discover valuable lessons about creativity, collaboration, and the evolution of marketing strategies.

Abraham Bree is the founder of Brand:Whatever, a full-scale, small-sized branding agency based in Brooklyn, New York. With over 15 years of experience in the marketing, branding, and advertising landscape, Abraham shares insights into his journey from traditional ad agencies to becoming an agency owner.

He discusses the creative processes learned in the agency world and highlights the challenges of navigating interactions outside the creative bubble, particularly with non-creative roles like accounting.

In this episode, we’ll discuss:

Why success in marketing requires more than creativity.

Creating value-add AI-powered solutions.

Leveraging relationships to sell your high-impact low-budget solution.
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Forging Agency Leadership Through Diverse Roles
Although owning an agency was not originally part of Abraham's career plan, he began his journey in advertising, dedicating eight years to traditional ad agencies where he refined his creative abilities. However, he soon discovered true success in marketing requires more than just creativity. It demands understanding of how to work with diverse teams and navigate corporate structures. In his view, creatives operate in a bubble without ever interacting with people outside the client who have different ideas and opinions.

This realization came as he transitioned from the creative agency life to a corporate role as a marketing director. In this role, Abraham not only had to deal with his creative team but also the accounting, sales, and HR departments. This experience taught him the importance of cross-departmental collaboration, as he strived to align everyone with his vision while allowing them the autonomy to pursue their own initiatives.

Following this successful transition, Abraham continued to ascend the corporate ladder, seemingly reaching the pinnacle of his career until the onset of the pandemic. The ensuing uncertainty around the lockdowns and the impact Covid would have on different companies ultimately affected his standing. His new employer could no longer sustain his role as Chief Marketing Officer and he was offered to continue as a consultant. It was the pivot he needed to launch his own agency.
Turning AI Anxiety into an Agency Advantage
By now, companies are either embracing the use of AI or fearing it. Abraham had chosen to embrace it, even before a client dropped his agency and brought their content creation in-house using Chat GPT. He had been toying with ChatGPT himself, but now felt worried he was starting to lose clients to this innovation. How could he use AI to sell more marketing campaigns?

Abraham understood that effective marketing is not just about promoting a product or service; it is fundamentally about solving problems for clients. He decided he could use this technology to help people with their pain points and create innovative solutions that added value.

In his first venture using AI in this way, Abraham created an app designed to assist families in planning their Passover vacations. This not only addressed the immediate concern of families looking for vacation ideas but also opened up avenues for marketing partnerships with kosher food companies. It effectively addressed consumer needs while presenting these businesses with an opportunity for direct engagement with clients, offering more value than a traditional print ad campaign.

The app attracted over 40,000 users in a one-week span. Although the number of users dropped after the first week, but it was still a success for a high-impact low-budget campaign made with AI. By leveraging AI to solve pain points, Abraham was able to enhance strategies, foster meaningful connections with clients, and ultimately drive impactful results.
Creating Value-Add Using AI for Agency Clients
One of his best strategies with this project was coming to companies with an idea they could easily adopt. To gain support for this initiative, he targeted existing relationships, leveraging connections he had nurtured over the years and asking for just five minutes to explain his project.

Companies quickly recognized the potential to get in front of clients with little cost and signed on. Abraham then utilized this platform again on several similar projects and continued to drive results with these short and impactful campaigns.

These projects offer an excellent chance to demonstrate value to potential clients without the need for substantial retainers. This way, Abraham was able to generate buzz while also establishing a foundation for ongoing relationships.

For agency owners who want to try this approach to AI, Abraham recommends using it as a tool. Don’t go and try to build your own language model and become the next Open AI. Instead, focus on the many ancillary services you can bring to the table using AI. Figure out how you slice off a piece of your current offering and use it as a foot-in-the-door — that is where you’ll find your goldmine.

Overall, Abraham’s advice to agency owners is to stay curious, a good guiding principle for anyone aspiring to grow in their field. The moment you think you have figured everything out is the moment you’ll cease to progress. Let your curiosity fuel innovation, push you to explore new ideas, and seek out diverse perspectives, and you’ll ultimately discover new avenues for success.
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3 IMPACTFUL STRATEGIES for Long Term, Sustainable Agency Growth with Seth Odell | Ep #730
9 Okt· Smart Agency Masterclass with Jason Swenk: Podcast for Digital Marketing Agencies
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How can you grow your agency’s client list beyond referral clients? Would you sacrifice price or length of contracts in order to attract new business? Today’s featured guest has successfully established his agency by prioritizing higher prices and maintaining a clear vision of his offerings. He emphasizes the importance of being selective with the opportunities that arise. He shares the challenges and strategies involved in growing his agency, as well as how he prioritized long-term relationships over new business.

Seth Odell is the founder and CEO of Kanahoma, a performance marketing agency specializing in the education sector. With over 15 years of experience in marketing and education, Seth shares his journey from being a chief marketing officer at a university to launching his own agency during the pandemic.

He discusses the pivotal moment when UCLA became his first client, propelling him to leap into entrepreneurship and the strategies he used to secure more clients and start managing the agency’s growth.

In this episode, we’ll discuss:

Getting your agency on its feet with a clear strategy from day one.

Tactics for landing long-term contracts and increasing client retention.

Getting the agency owner out of sales.
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When CMO Isn't the Final Destination
Seth had dedicated fifteen years to marketing in the education industry before starting his agency, working in-house in roles like Chief Marketing Officer at a university system in San Diego.

Initially, becoming a CMO seemed like the pinnacle of his career. However, after achieving this position, he realized he could keep pushing himself and decided to take the leap into entrepreneurship.

Seth’s first client at his agency was UCLA, an amazing opportunity for a starter agency and a great chance to launch his business to success. It was a consulting agreement that covered Seth’s salary, his mortgage, and most of his expenses.
3 Strategies for Long-Term Agency Growth
Build Relationships
After landing UCLA as his first client, Seth formed a plan to send personalized letters and small gifts to fifty industry contacts who had influenced his career over the past 15 years. It was a sincere acknowledgment of the relationships he had built throughout his career and a good way to announce his new venture.

This tactic had a tremendous impact and his agency secured two additional clients through referrals generated by this strategy. It led to immediate business opportunities and also laid the groundwork for long-term relationships.

Strategic Hiring
Seth was also very intentional about his service offering right from the get-go, being very selective with the opportunities he pursued, and handling things himself whenever possible. Once he started to hire, Seth took the risk of over-hiring for some positions. It could’ve backfired, but he trusted the move of hiring people he trusted and who could quickly grow into their role and make it their own.

Price on Value
Seth recommends charging as much as you reasonably can right from the start. He made the decision to position on premium and be both the new agency around and the one that charged the most. It seems counterintuitive, but he was willing to turn down work to keep his prices up. To him, losing work over price is an indicator that you’re pricing correctly and he was willing to lose up to 20% of new business with this strategy. He knew people were paying for more than just performance, they were paying for the confidence in future results. This way, he could hire better teams, drive better performance, and build a better reputation.
Tactics for Landing Long Term Contracts and Increasing Client Retention
Whenever possible, Seth likes to start client engagements with a twelve-month contract. If it’s not an option, he’s willing to do a six-month pilot. Recently, he has also introduced paid media audits, where his team conducts a thorough analysis of the client's account and provides consulting services.

His agency’s growth strategy focuses primarily on client retention, aiming to maintain relationships for five to ten years rather than solely pursuing new business. There have been a couple of occasions where Seth wished he tested a client before committing to a year-long relationship. Consequently, his team is trained to assess each potential client with the mindset of determining whether the engagement is a “winnable game.” They also don’t hesitate to turn down clients who come in with unrealistic expectations.

More recently, he has been able to move some of his paid media clients to three-year contracts by offering a discount and an offer to exit the contract with a 90-day notice. This alleviates the fear of being locked into a long-term commitment without recourse. While clients might feel a sense of freedom with this provision, the reality is that a 90-day notice period is substantial enough to encourage open communication about any concerns that may arise during the engagement.

A successful collaboration begins with understanding the client’s needs and challenges and a great way to achieve this is through a collaborative project. Jason suggests a foot-in-the-door project where they’ll participate in identifying their biggest challenges and creating an action plan. It’s a great way to create a sense of ownership in the outcomes and help build trust as clients see their input being valued and integrated into the final product.
Shifting Focus and Getting the Agency Owner Out of Sales
Seth has come to recognize the importance of distinguishing between promoting himself and advocating for the solutions his agency provides. Like many agency owners, he was deeply involved in the sales process, leading clients to believe he would also be heavily engaged in product delivery. While he initially played a significant role in sales, as the agency grew, he began to step back, which resulted in some mismanaged expectations.

He has since adopted a new approach, positioning himself as the product architect and his team as the driving force behind the product. By surrounding himself with a team that excels in their respective areas, he has shifted client focus away from his involvement. This allows the client space to appreciate the capabilities of the team.

Additionally, Seth was taken aback by the extensive responsibilities that come with ownership. Running a large in-house agency was a challenge, but it paled in comparison to the diverse duties associated with owning a business. From managing human resources and legal obligations to overseeing finances and IT, the vast array of tasks can be overwhelming.

This realization has highlighted the need to delegate responsibilities—not only to alleviate his workload but also as a vital strategy for ensuring mental clarity and operational efficiency.
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Rewarding OWNERSHIP MENTALITY: Building an Agency That Runs Without You with Tiffany Sauder | Ep #729
6 Okt· Smart Agency Masterclass with Jason Swenk: Podcast for Digital Marketing Agencies
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How can you step away from daily operations and embrace the role of the agency visionary? Is there a team member who could take over the things you don’t love doing? If so, how would you begin to prepare them for this transition? Today’s guests built a relationship with a key employee that most agency owners dream of when they think about delegating and reclaiming their time.

It took a lot of work, investing in growth, and trusting that someone who started as an employee could evolve into a partner in the agency, but they managed to do it in a way that has only benefitted the agency and the team. Join them for an engaging conversation filled with insights into delegating and slowly transitioning from being a hands-in agency owner to being the visionary and face of the agency.

Tiffany Sauder is CEO and Kyler Mason is president of Element Three. They run a full-service marketing agency that modernizes go-to-market strategies for manufacturers with complex distribution channels.

Tiffany and Kyler discuss their journey in the marketing industry and the dynamics of running a business, how their open communication gave way to a lasting partnership, and the balancing act of successfully adopting new roles at the agency while ensuring its continuous growth.

In this interview, we’ll discuss:

Learning to pivot in an economic crisis.

Turning short-term hires into long-term assets.

Rewarding the ownership mentality.

Moving beyond the founder’s shadow.
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Turning a Struggling Agency Into a Career Catalyst
There are very few stories of people who start their agency on purpose and Tiffany is one of them. She grew up in a heavily entrepreneurial-focused household and, coupled with her dissatisfaction with the bureaucratic environment of a large pharmaceutical company, compelled her to try something different. She convinced her father to invest in a small marketing agency, where she took on the role of a “naive sweat equity partner.”

According to Tiffany, at that time the agency was a dysfunctional project shop with one major client that accounted for most of its business. However, it provided her with an environment where she was exposed to the work and learned about the industry. Although the journey was challenging, Tiffany felt very confident in the unknown, excited to learn, and worked to transform her initial ignorance into knowledge and competence by seeking mentorship and asking questions.

Despite its imperfections, the agency served as a crucial platform for her development, allowing her to learn, experiment, and connect with industry professionals who would have otherwise been difficult to reach.

Ultimately, her willingness to step into the unknown led to invaluable learning opportunities, developing resilience, and significant achievements.
Pivoting During Changing Times and Economic Crisis
The agency’s rapid growth and success during the first few years gave Tiffany a false sense of confidence. However, she faced a rude awakening during the economic downturn of 2008-2009. This period was not only financially devastating for many businesses but also coincided with the birth of her first child, both equally significant.

During this time, she saw larger agencies struggling to adapt to the digital landscape, grappling with the unfamiliarity of new business dynamics. Lacking robust analytics capabilities, they found it difficult to pivot.

Coming from a finance background, Tiffany recognized an opportunity to get ahead of the curve, particularly as e-commerce began to emerge. She was able to invest strategically in the future without facing the cultural resistance that established agencies encountered. This unique position, combined with her willingness to embrace risk, provided her with a distinct advantage.
Turning Short-Term Agency Hires into Long-Term Assets
When Kyler first came to work at the agency he was the first digital marketing hire. He was excited to learn and gain a more well-rounded experience in taking a company to market. He initially thought he’d stay at the agency for a few years, learn as much as he could, and then start his own business.

For her part, Tiffany appreciated Kyler’s honesty about his future plans and recognized the potential in his aspirations. She chose to embrace his ambition rather than view it as a threat. She figured both parties could succeed without diminishing each other’s potential. Hence, she invested in Kyler’s growth.

This commitment, coupled with the open communication that defined their relationship, encouraged Kyler to extend his tenure beyond his initial expectations. He became actively involved in shaping his growth trajectory within the agency and felt valued when voicing concerns about the direction set by executive leadership.

To retain key employees, agency owners must be in tune with their aspirations and show them a clear path for success. They need to feel significant and heard. When they don’t, that’s when they leave.
Rewarding the Ownership Mentality
Through their ongoing dialogue, Tiffany and Kyler managed to build a strong relationship based on trust, aligning interests, and creating a motivating environment that contributed to the agency’s collective success.

As Kyler stepped into the role of president, Tiffany sought assurance that even in her absence, he would consistently prioritize the agency’s ownership and make long-term decisions that reflected its best interests. To foster this alignment, she decided to offer him shares in the business, ensuring he would be as invested in the agency's success as she was.

Kyler had already demonstrated an ownership mentality prior to his official role, and his behavior remained unchanged after the transition. This was very important to Tiffany who didn’t want to create handcuffs of loyalty, but rather to reward exemplary behavior and encourage him to keep acting in the best interest of the business.

This transition also allowed Tiffany to redefine her role within the agency, providing her with the opportunity to step back from certain responsibilities. She now describes her position as still being front and center in their marketing, as well as offering mentorship and support, where her experience and insights serve to guide Kyler and the team. By positioning herself as a synthesizer and communicator, she creates a space for collaboration, allowing team members to thrive and develop their skills. This approach not only enhances individual capabilities but also strengthens the overall fabric of the organization.
Growing the Agency Beyond the Founder's Shadow
Kyler’s role has also changed significantly as he now wears many hats, running the account services team, being very involved in new business sales, and balancing that with his primary role of growth and strategy. He’s been trying to build an agency that does not need Tiffany, which requires a well-defined strategy, targeting the right clientele, and implementing effective marketing initiatives.

Going from relying on the agency owner's reputation to successfully promoting the agency's services without their direct involvement is quite challenging. Sharing the spotlight and highlighting the talents of your team is key to achieving this. Focus on enhancing the overall performance of the agency and explain why your team will do a better job than you’d do on your own. Furthermore, build a transparent process where the client understands what’s going on at every step of the process. This way, they won’t constantly reach out to try to get you involved.
Transition Slowly for Lasting Success
For many agency owners, transitioning out of day-to-day tasks and watching their team solve things without them can leave them feeling redundant. Thankfully, Tiffany already had other projects lined up by this point and was able to pour her energy into those endeavors.

She did, however, feel a sense of loneliness. For so long she’d been the heart of the team and knew exactly what everyone was working on and now suddenly she didn’t feel like part of a team. It took some time to adapt to this new reality but eventually, she adopted a new mindset where she recognized the contributions she could only make from her new role as the agency visionary.

Moreover, she believes a slower and more intentional approach to the transition helped get the best results. It took approximately three years of careful planning for Tiffany and Kyler to lay the necessary groundwork and ensure that when changes were implemented, they were met with clarity and cohesion.
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Hire Slow & Fire Fast: Investing Time in Building Your Agency Team with Bryant Walker | Ep #728
2 Okt· Smart Agency Masterclass with Jason Swenk: Podcast for Digital Marketing Agencies
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Have you ever rushed your hiring process out of eagerness to fill a position and delegate responsibilities? Did you later regret the decision to hire fast? There is a reason they say hire slow, fire fast. Finding the right people to fill the roles on your growing team is an integral part of growing. In this interview, learn from one agency owner who takes immense pride in cultivating a core team that shares his vision. However, getting there has not been without its challenges. One of the most valuable lessons he learned is that hiring takes patience and a well-structured process. Check out this thoughtful discussion on the importance of having the right people in the right positions to ensure success and peace of mind as the agency expands.

Bryant Walker is the founder and CEO of Tavo Media Group, a growing full-service agency with team members scattered around the country. He discusses the challenges and excitement of growing his agency and talks about the balance between intentional growth and losing control, emphasizing the importance of investing in the right talent for the right roles. Bryant shares insights on past hiring mistakes, particularly in account management and design roles, and highlights the ongoing learning process of finding the perfect fit for his team.

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The costly results of rushed hiring.

A hiring process that guarantees better results.

Investing in team building to cultivate commitment.
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The Costly Mistake of Rushed Hiring
One of Bryant's early missteps in his agency was an overreliance on individuals who were ultimately not right for their roles. He has since learned that hiring is an exercise in patience and that acting impulsively leads to poor hiring decisions.

For instance, he hired senior designers based on their impressive portfolios without delving deeper into their actual roles and responsibilities in previous projects. This led to subpar results and a disconnect between the work he saw in the portfolios and the work being produced by the team.

In his eagerness to delegate responsibilities and focus on the agency's growth, Bryant granted too much autonomy while also delaying necessary corrective actions, which negatively impacted the quality of the agency's work.

After addressing this issue and making more informed hiring choices, Bryant has shifted his perspective on recruitment. He advocates for a more intentional approach, taking the time to find the right fit for the role and ensuring that the candidate has the necessary skills and experience to excel in the position and avoids making rushed decisions just to fill a position quickly.
When to Cut Ties: Addressing Underperformance Quickly
In cases like what Bryant’s senior designer situation, reluctance to fire quickly is a common reaction based on the fear of disrupting the team. Nonetheless, this can often lead to holding on to underperforming employees for longer than necessary.

Despite his efforts to foster productive discussions with these team members, Bryant ultimately found himself reverting to their tasks. In spite of this, he held on to those workers hoping it would eventually get better. Many times agency owners delay these decisions fearing that firing the wrong hires would result in more work for themselves and the rest of the team. However, letting go of the wrong talent sooner rather than later is essential for the growth and success of the agency.
Changing Your Hiring Process to Guarantee Better Results
To attract the most qualified candidates for a position, Jason recommends implementing a deliberate and strategic hiring process right from the job posting stage. When you advertise the position on any platform, include specific instructions—essentially "mouse traps"—that only attentive candidates will notice. For instance, leave instructions to email you with a specific subject line and send a video explaining why they want to work with you. This way, you’ll be able to quickly dismiss the applications that don’t meet these standards.

Next, focus solely on the applications from candidates who submitted a video and, after selecting the best ones, ask them to complete a paid test project. Only the candidates who submit that test get to move onto the following stage of the actual interview.

Normally, Bryant can get up to 800 applications for one job, which is already too many and will only fill up his inbox. Instead, by building a hiring process with strong and strict criteria, you’ll greatly reduce the number of applicants to those who truly deserve your attention, ultimately leading to interviews with candidates who are a better fit for your agency.

Once you’ve interviewed the candidates, have your preferred choice prepare a 90-day success plan. Will they truly make an impact in your agency in 90 days? Not really, but you can track their activity based on the plan. If they can’t even follow through with their own plan then they’re not the right choice for your team.
Investing in Team Building to Cultivate Commitment
To some business owners, investing in a team sounds like an unnecessary headache when they can just find freelancers to do the job. However, a dedicated and motivated team can have a huge impact on the overall success of a business.

Bryant has never taken more pride in growing his agency than now that he has found a core team that believe in his vision as much as he does. To him, the difference is evident in the work that’s put out compared to before when he was doing it alone.

Once he overcame his freelancer mentality, Bryant saw real change in the agency’s growth. By prioritizing the recruitment, development, and support of talented individuals who are aligned with the company's values, agency owners can build a strong foundation for growth and sustainability.
Setting Your Sales Team Up for Success
Implementing the Entrepreneur Operating System (EOS) as an organizational and accountability tool has greatly helped Bryant track employee’s road to success with a lot more intention.

He realized that having everything leading back to him made it impossible for the agency to scale so he hired new salespeople last year. However, it seemed none of them could close as many deals as Bryant could while he was still handling sales by himself.

In the beginning, salespeople need a lot of handholding and support, so having a system to share success stories and experiences can motivate and inspire them to perform at their best. Create a framework categorizing each story based on relevance so your team can something to draw from while developing their own stories and improve their sales techniques.

Moreover, managers can also debrief their team’s sales calls to step them up for success. Ask them to send you their best and worst sales calls of the week and provide helpful advice while also pointing out what they should keep doing. This hands-on approach not only helps in the initial training phase but also in continuously developing and refining the sales team's capabilities. Eventually, you’ll get them to a place where you’re no longer needed.
Hot to Stop Waiting for the Perfect Moment and Take Action
Finally letting go of sales has also helped Bryant embrace his “F*ck It, Let’s Do It” mode, which has become his mantra. With this mindset, he aims to be proactive and not wait for the perfect scenario to present itself before taking action. Instead, it stresses the need to make quick decisions, execute them, and learn from the results.

Looking back on his agency journey, Bryant mostly regrets the things he didn’t do and moments where he took too long to make a decision.

He now embraces the fact that indecision is the worst decision and strives to trust his instincts, make decisions confidently, and be willing to learn from both successes and failures. There’ll never be a “perfect” time to do something but there will always be a possibility to learn from something that didn’t go as planned.

Similarly, he’s also learning to say no to certain opportunities in order to protect the time and focus he dedicates to business growth.

By taking action, being intentional with your time, and surrounding yourself with the right people, you can set yourself up for success in both your personal and professional endeavors.
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To Sell or Not Sell? What Makes and Breaks an Agency Sale with Jonathan Baker | Ep #727
25 Sep· Smart Agency Masterclass with Jason Swenk: Podcast for Digital Marketing Agencies
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Do you want to sell your agency someday? Can you imagine a profitable sale and exit agency in the future? Do you feel an acquisition is the mark of business success? Selling your agency shows you’ve built a robust and profitable business, which is a noteworthy achievement. Today’s featured guest helps his clients get ready to find a perfect buyer and reach a deal that withstands the test of time. He’ll discuss why the common reasons to sell are not necessarily the best reasons as well as why undervaluing yourself could hurt your valuation. He also shares common deal killers and deal makers. He highlights the importance of considering personal fulfillment and financial objectives when deciding to sell an agency.

Jonathan Baker is the co-owner of Punctuation, an all-in-one advisory practice that helps marketing firms position themselves with lead-generation plans. In particular, Jonathan helps small to medium-sized companies get ready to sell.

He discusses the process of selling marketing services firms and challenges the idea that selling is always the pinnacle of success, emphasizing that success should be what truly drives individuals.

In this episode, we’ll discuss:

What does the $1 million mark communicate?

Deal killers and deal makers.

The true cost of undervaluing yourself.

What if you don’t want to sell?
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Why Do Most Agency Owners Choose to Sell Their Digital Agency?
Many people build agencies with the ultimate goal of selling them at some point. There’s an innate drive to sell and, to most people, selling seems like the pinnacle of success. However, selling is not always the right answer. According to Jonathan, success should be defined as whatever drives an individual.

Common reasons to sell an agency include lack of enjoyment, approaching retirement, financial goals, burnout, or desire for a career change. Overall, selling should not be the default option and it’s most advisable if you know exactly what you want to do after selling. However, if you just want to sell in order to have a ton of money or because you feel burnout, maybe it’s time to start looking into some key hires to take over the tasks that are most draining for you while also increasing profits.

In some cases, owners that are growing too much or too fast choose to sell. They may have started their business to do work they love and can continue to do so with a small team of employees However, when it comes to further scaling the agency and reaching maybe 100 employees, it seems impossible to manage.

Burnout and frustration are scenarios that could be solved without necessarily selling and still guaranteeing you’ll be able to continue to do the work you love while enjoying more free time. In the end, giving up too soon can prevent you from reaching your full potential and achieving greater success.
Why the $1 Million EBITDA Translates Into a Sellable Agency
How do you know when you’ve reached your full potential? When you build an agency with at least $1 million in EBITDA, you’re definitely doing something right and most likely just inches away from greater success. Most owners encounter many obstacles in this stage, but once you start focusing on the problems and the things you don’t have you start to give up.

The $1 million in EBITDA goal is a common measure for a sellable agency since it’ll open up the pool of buyers interested in your business. It also says something about the way you run your agency, which will create more competition among prospective buyers and, in turn, increase your multiples and price.

Ultimately, it’s a mark that will communicate that you’re not as integral to the business as when you’re running a 10-person firm.
Maximizing Your Agency's Value: Key Considerations Before Selling
It’s important to understand that your agency’s worth is not guaranteed as it is contingent on a variety of factors such as client concentration and employee retention.

The way a purchase deal is usually structured is you’ll get a percentage of the valuation paid upfront and the rest is earned based on hitting performance targets over the next few years. However, earnouts are also seen as a potential pitfall, as they can be designed in a way that makes it difficult for the seller to succeed. Usually, the higher the client concentration the lower you can expect to get upfront.

Selling your agency means losing control over it and your performance post-acquisition could be impacted by the new owners. Hence, it is crucial for sellers to carefully consider the terms of the deal and ensure they have a level of control until the earnout is paid in full.

As a seller, your primary focus should be on negotiating a deal where you’re happy with the money you get upfront, since it may be the only money you’ll see.
Agency Acquisition Deal Killers and Deal Makers
Even if you’re financially sound and get a good offer, several things could still be potential deal killers. From a seller’s perspective, culture plays a significant role in the success of a deal. The transition from being the boss to having a boss again can be a deal breaker if the cultural fit is not right. The earn-out period, where the seller continues to work for the buyer for a few years, can be challenging if the culture clash is too great. This can lead to the seller walking away from a potentially lucrative deal in favor of maintaining their autonomy.

Additionally, the buyer’s long-term plans for the agency can either make or break the deal. Even though they say all the right things at first, as negotiations progress their true intentions may become clear. Sellers need to be strategic and discerning in their interactions with potential buyers to ensure that their agency is in good hands.

On the other hand, from a buyer’s perspective, having clean books and transparent financial practices will be key in securing a successful deal. Buyers will scrutinize the financials of the agency to ensure that they are making a sound investment. Sellers need to be honest about their expenses and factor in any non-essential costs that may not transfer to the new owner. It’s a step that can help sellers increase their EBITDA and make their agency more attractive to potential buyers.
The True Cost of Undervaluing Your Agency
Agencies often overestimate their financial position, which is why it is essential to seek professional guidance rather than relying solely on QuickBooks. A financial expert can analyze your numbers and pinpoint areas for improvement. A lot of agency owners think their profit is higher than it really is because they’re not paying themselves enough. Once the buyer comes in and takes a look at the numbers, they’ll realize replacing the agency owner will cost much more than what they’re currently paying themselves.

How much should you be paying yourself? It’ll of course depend on a number of factors including the number of employees; however, if your agency has reached $1 million in EBITDA, that number should be above $200K. This will not only be important for the negotiations, but it will also be relevant if you sell with an earnout. If you sign up to be an employee for the next three years while a certain goal is reached, do you really want your salary to be $100K? It’s a lot easier to argue for a higher salary if you’ve been paying yourself a higher salary all along.
Navigating the Post-Sale Period with Agency Clients
Once a deal is reached how long should you wait before letting clients know you’re selling? It depends. Most of the time you want to wait at least six months before telling them. You don’t want them to jump ship and it’s better they get the news once they can see the service quality has not declined during that time and hopefully has even improved. However, if one of your clients accounts for 70% or more of the business then you’ll probably want them to be on board from the get-go.

It also depends on the way the buyer wants to handle the transaction. Are they trying to get the agency under a brand name immediately after purchase? Are they comfortable with not making drastic changes right out of the gate? In that case, waiting a couple of months could be the best course of action.

To safeguard your interests, include a clause in your contracts that allows for the transfer of clients with written notice. This way, you’ll minimize the need for client cooperation and won’t risk losing the deal.
What if You Don’t Want to Sell Your Agency?
Most agencies will never sell. If this is your case, then make the right moves to build a profitable agency that will give you the quality of life you want. A lot of the adjustments you’d have to make to attract buyers are the same things that make a good business, even if you’re not selling it.

If you built a profitable business, love the work, and delegate enough so you have the time to enjoy the fruits of your labor, then you’ve already created a fulfilling business and life.

Many business owners end up selling because they feel isolated and hope being part of a bigger firm will solve this problem. However, more often than not they end up creating more problems than they’re solving.

Instead of selling, try finding a competent number two employee you can trust. Having a strong second-in-command can make it easier to delegate tasks, make important decisions, and ultimately, grow your agency. It’s not easy but once you find the perfect fit growing the agency will go back to being a fun experience.

However, in case you really can’t find this person, maybe it’s time to question whether you’re managing and incentivizing people the right way.
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Mining Your CRM for Gold to Maximize Agency Growth with Wendy Lieber | Ep #726
18 Sep· Smart Agency Masterclass with Jason Swenk: Podcast for Digital Marketing Agencies
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What would you do to keep growing your agency if new leads dried up? How would you guarantee increased business? How would you ensure continued success? Our guest today emphasizes the importance of revisiting your CRM as a vital tool for driving business expansion. After years of collecting contacts for her database, a new CRM system revealed previously overlooked opportunities. Rather than seeking new leads, she realized the value of delving deeper into her existing contacts. Learn how this agency owner transitioned into building a scalable subscription-based agency model.

Wendy Lieber is the CEO and co-founder of ContentBacon, a leading content subscription service that provides resources for clients to tell their unique stories and establish themselves as experts in their field with custom content. Wendy shares her journey from running a traditional boutique agency to founding a successful content-as-a-service company. She reflects on her entrepreneurial experiences and discusses how agency owners could use personalized human connection to maximize their CRM potential.

In this episode, we’ll discuss:

Mining your CRM for overlooked gold.

Maximizing your CRM’s potential without new leads.

Effective agency leadership strategies to help your agency grow.
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Choosing Content Over Traditional Agency Growth
ContentBacon is Wendy’s second company venture. Her initial venture was with a more traditional boutique agency, where she worked with private equity groups and created customized solutions.

By the time she grew that agency to $500,000, Wendy joined a program called Entrepreneur Accelerator designed to grow companies over $1 million. Even though she highly enjoyed the work for a while, she realized she wasn’t very interested in continuing to scale that particular model past what they’d already reached.

Around that time, she had been testing a content subscription-based model with her clients and had seen a great response. With the rise of social media and having a social presence becoming more and more important, Wendy saw the value of a service like this for struggling businesses. This was the model Wendy wanted to grow.
Mining for Gold in Your Agency’s CRM
Through doing their own inbound and outbound marketing, Wendy’s agency has been collecting a lot of contacts to their database over the years. Once they moved to a more sophisticated CRM with HubSpot, they started to analyze and utilize the data they had and found they didn’t need anything new, rather they needed to go much deeper into what they had.

There’s a tendency in the marketing industry to always chase after the next new thing or shiny object. Wendy cautions against falling into the trap of constantly seeking out new technologies or strategies without fully utilizing the data and resources already available. Instead, she advocates for going back to the basics and focusing on simple, effective strategies that can drive growth and success.

Try to identify the low-hanging fruit you can leverage to your benefit and understand and segment those contacts. This way, you can identify high-value leads, personalize your marketing efforts, and drive better results rather than constantly chasing after new trends.
Maximizing Your CRM Potential Without New Leads
If you feel like you’ve invested a lot in a good CRM system but are not seeing the benefits of your investment, take a look at the work being done. Is there a CRM champion on the team? Is there at least one person who owns it and develops a strategy around it? A CRM is a tool, but you should really build a strategy around it.

As a helpful exercise, Wendy suggests thinking about what you would do if you couldn’t get a new lead for 90 days. How would you generate new business with what you have? Ask yourself this question and use it to challenge yourself to find the gold that’s probably in your CRM.

Check your contact list and reach out to old clients and prospects. You may uncover valuable opportunities that have been overlooked. To this point, Wendy suggests trying to establish a real conversation instead of just using automation. This way, you’ll be able to build stronger relationships, foster trust with your audience, and ultimately achieve greater success in your marketing efforts.
From Putting Out Fires to Effective Agency Leadership
After running two businesses, Wendy continues to be surprised by the challenge of keeping both customers and employees satisfied. Balancing the needs of her clientele and her team while simultaneously focusing on business growth is an ongoing endeavor. Despite her extensive experience, just when she believes everything is on track something will happen that throws her back to working on the business instead of in the business.

Ultimately, a big part of business management revolves around continuous problem-solving. Those naturally inclined to navigate these challenges are probably better suited for the role. However, the best way to stop constantly putting out fires is to train and empower your team to make decisions based on the overall goals and directions set for the agency.

A clear leadership that sets the course for the business will lead to a team that is better equipped to make decisions and take initiative without constantly seeking approval from the leader, leading to a more efficient and effective work environment.

At the end of the day, most agency owners started a business not only looking to have more money but also to gain more time and freedom. Once you start to find the right people to take over the tasks you hate and form a team that works well together, things will flow naturally. This is why Wendy doesn’t believe in coaching and developing a person to fit in with the culture. If things are right, she says, it’ll flow. Sometimes if it feels too hard for someone to adapt to the team, you’re just trying to put the wrong person in the wrong seat.
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How Firing Toxic Clients Leads to Stronger Relationships with Susan Finch | Ep #725
11 Sep· Smart Agency Masterclass with Jason Swenk: Podcast for Digital Marketing Agencies
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Have you ever fired a client? If you could do it without repercussions on cash flow, would you? Most agency owners have horror stories about toxic clients who created an unhealthy environment for the team. Deciding to cut ties can be particularly daunting, especially when the client in question represents a significant portion of your revenue.

Today’s featured guest decided to prioritize herself and her team's well-being by firing a client before the situation escalated. She looks back on a long and successful career in marketing and highlights how she came back from losing major clients and how she learned to advocate for herself and her team.

Susan Finch is a seasoned entrepreneur, writer, and podcaster with nearly four decades of experience in the advertising and marketing industry. She began her career as a teenager at a recreational boating company and eventually transitioned to an agency in the 1990s, during the transformative rise of the internet.

After a few key clients parted ways with the agency she was presented with the chance to start her own firm and continue to work with the remaining clients. With thirty years of industry experience under her belt, she is eager to share valuable insights, discuss the challenges of losing significant clients, and explore the strategies she’s been using to focus on working on the business rather than in the business.

In this episode, we’ll discuss:

Susa’s early mistake and learning to build a sustainable agency.

Cutting ties with tosic clients.

On impactful networking.

Love, hate, delegate.
How Early Success Can Mask the Need to Build Systems and Processes
In 1996, when the web was still very new, Susan started to work for an agency where she had the opportunity to work with clients like the City of Anaheim on interesting projects and fell in love with the work.

However, the agency took a big hit once this client moved their work in-house. The agency owner suggested that Susan establish her own agency offering to become her first client. At the time, she was nine months pregnant, and the idea of launching her own business felt overwhelming. Nevertheless, she embraced the opportunity and never looked back.

The transition to building her own agency was relatively smooth, with introductions being made, clients satisfied, and the work continuing without much fuss. However, looking back, Susan realizes this made her too comfortable. She was late to create her own prospecting processes to keep the pipeline full when referrals dried up.

Having landed on a business, Susan failed to plan for the future and have the different pieces in place to guarantee its proper functioning. Without those pieces in place, an agency will scale for a while but ultimately crash. The lack of vision, goals, and processes led her to work on the business all the time.
Longterm Benefit to Cutting Ties with a Toxic Client
The breaking point that led to the ultimate change for Susan was getting rid of a toxic client. This specific client was causing her and her team immense stress and draining their creativity and joy. It came down to making the difficult decision to fire them, despite accounting for 40% of the agency’s business, to guarantee a healthy and abuse-free work environment.

The immediate aftermath of this decision was a rough patch where thankfully Susan was not shy about calling up all her contacts and being very open about looking for small and big projects alike and the type of client she wanted to work with.

She began working as a fractional CMO with several companies and sometimes became the full-time solution they were looking for. Before long, Susan secured a new high-profile client, whose esteemed reputation gave her the confidence she needed to network effectively in her industry, having conversations with big-time CEOs and CMOs. Ultimately, firing her toxic client was a painful decision but the right one in the long run.
Rebuilding Your Agency’s Momentum & Bouncing Back from Firing a Major Client
Firing a client is intimidating, especially when they account for a significant part of your revenue. However, Susan knew it was time to stand up for herself and her team. Every agency owner has stories about difficult clients but it’s important to advocate for yourself and your team.

Don’t wait too long to raise the issue once you notice the problematic behavior is affecting the team and set clear boundaries This assertiveness can foster a more positive working relationship or lead to a necessary separation. Regardless of the outcome, your team will appreciate your commitment to their well-being, reinforcing the standards of treatment you expect.

In the end, the problematic individual at that old client’s company left and the company approached Susan to continue the working relationship months later. By standing up for herself, Susan was able to maintain her integrity, build stronger relationships, and create a more positive work environment.
Lessons on the Power of Personal Touch for Impactful Networking
Networking provided Susan with the opportunity to meet new people and make a lasting impression. She credits this to the fact that she’s not afraid to pick up the phone or schedule an in-person meeting.

People nowadays tend to rely on emails and social media to start conversations and don’t realize this can create a sense of detachment. By picking up the phone, meeting for coffee, attending events, and engaging in real conversations, agency owners can establish genuine connections that can lead to new opportunities, collaborations, and friendships.

In-person interactions allow for spontaneity, creativity, and a deeper level of understanding that may not be achieved through digital communication alone.

Consider your agency’s email list. If you have a few high-engagement contacts who are yet to become clients, why not reach out with a simple phone call to express your gratitude for their engagement? They will likely be pleasantly surprised to learn that your sole intention is to thank them, leaving a memorable impression.

Making that phone call demonstrates your commitment to going the extra mile to connect, engage, and show genuine interest in others. This approach can lead to stronger relationships, enhanced trust, and a profound sense of connection among individuals.
The Love, Hate, Delegate Approach to Leadership
Just like choosing to work with the right clients will help you create the type of work you love to do and motivate you to do great things, Susan advocates for the “love, hate, delegate” approach—an effective method she's learning to use to regain focus on her business operations. This system involves categorizing tasks into three distinct groups: those she loves to handle personally, those she can eliminate, and those that can be delegated to others.

At the end of the day, agency owners don’t just want to scale their business, they want to get to a point where they can build a team that can take over and get their time back. Time is irreplaceable so find ways to keep building your business while still doing the work you love. Get your ego out of it and allow other people to come in and make you look better.
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