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  • On this episode of the Unglamorous Life, Celeste and Laurin shed light on how unglamorous running a small business really is. Laurin voices her thoughts on those fake Instagram entrepreneurs who are making money off of vulnerable people. The ladies also share some valuable tips and resources on how to pursue your own business without getting roped into those get rich quick schemes.

    “You have to know what you’re good at and what you’re not good at. And you have to be realistic with that.”

    -Laurin Conlin

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    Timestamps

    1:00 Fake entrepreneurs in the fitness space

    3:45 What fitness coaches should really be concerned with

    5:37 People who are living their lives with an Instagram filter on

    8:40 How Celeste’s mom got roped into a get rich quick scheme

    13:05 Developing a strategy to go “all in”

    15:55 Why you need a strategy for everyday

    18:20 Celeste’s beliefs in zodiac signs

    19:20 Understanding yourself and your habits

    People Mentioned:

    Gary Vaynerchuk

    Resources:

    So Good They Can't Ignore You by Cal Newport Dirty Work by Celeste Bonin and Chris Kingman www.UnderstandMyself.com

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  • Today Celeste interrogates Laurin and finds out the deep and dirty truth about prepping for figure competitions in the Unglamorous Life.

    Holding back nothing, they talk openly about the difficulties in competing, including dieting, tracking body fat and how to stay committed when the show is still far away.

    They also talk about the evolution of fitness competitions and how they’ve got more extreme and diverse over time.

    For an insight into the real side of figure competitions and bodybuilding give this a listen.

    “Anything that you’re going to be trying your best at will be extreme ”

    -Laurin Conlin

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    Timestamps

    1:12 - How long have you been dieting and what was your prep plan?

    3:45 - What is losing 20 pounds like?

    4:51 - How beneficial are body comps?

    16:20 - The importance of mental stability, goals and weighing in.

    18:28 - The ‘Whoosh Effect’, losing fat cells and losing weight.

    22:14 - What weight are you comfortable living at when you're not in prep?

    26:35 - How you cope after the show ends and the possible dangers associated with competing

    42:59 - Posing coaches and practicing poses

    Resources:

    Kenny Wallach

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  • This week on the Unglamorous Life, Celeste and Laurin reunite! Laurin gets us up to speed with what's been going on in her life, and how she is officially “adulting it” in 2018. Tune in to hear her all about her move, speaking engagements and her intense competition schedule.

    “You can have all the ideas in the world but you obviously have to execute it and you can’t half ass it.”

    -Laurin Conlin

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    Timestamps

    1:30 What's going on with Laurin

    8:00 Laurin’s moving drama

    15:00 Winging it at the 1st Phorm seminar

    21:10 Laurin speaks at a “nerd” seminar

    24:45 Find out Laurin’s intense competition schedule

    25:50 Celeste and Laurin reminisce about their Vegas trip

    30:05 Find out who makes Laurin’s competition suits

    38:30 Updates on Laurin’s coaching business

    43:00 Laurin’s upcoming events

    Resources:

    1st Phorm Supplements

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  • This week on the Unglamorous Life, Celeste is joined by international wrestling superstar, Mechawolf. Mechawolf shares stories of his rough beginnings as a wrestler. His story of hard work and perseverance will encourage those that are on the fence about pursuing their passion. Tune in to hear his advice on pursuing your dreams.

    “You could be broke but if you are doing what you love, you will be happy”

    -Mechawolf

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    Timestamps

    4:50 What the hell is Viking Reenactment?

    11:35 Mechawolfs wrestling journey

    16:58 Wrestling opportunities in Florida

    19:33 Mechawolf- A gypsy with “the wolverine factor”

    23:30 How Wrestlers create their character

    24:55 How John became Mechawolf

    30:36 How Celeste and Mechawolf met

    37:06 The most unglamourous places to wrestle

    41:05 Mechaswolf’s advice to those that want to pursue their dreams

    Resources:

    Swamp Vikings Coastal Championship Wrestling Triple A

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  • On this episode of the Unglamorous Life, Celeste sits down with Celestial Bodies professional videographer, Alex Roman. Alex, aka “Trash Roman”, shares how he got into videography by essentially faking it until he made it. Also, stay tuned to hear about Alex’s popular rock band, Fame on Fire.

    “Whatever it is you want to do, make sure you insert yourself into that lifestyle, don’t let people hold you back.”

    - Alex Roman

    Timestamps:

    1:36 How Alex faked it until he made it

    12:29 Alex’s advice to people looking to make a career out of a hobby

    17:33 Alex’s band “Fame on Fire”

    24:40 Fame on Fire’s new music video

    29:50 How Fame on Fire films their videos

    33:00 Fame on Fire’s future goals

    36:00 Alex’s advice to someone who wants to learn how to play music

    People Mentioned

    Lil Toe

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  • On this episode of the Unglamorous Life, Celeste sits down with Celestial Bodies professional photographer, Maysa Askar. Maysa shares how she got into photography and gives some great advice on how to become a photographer. Stay tuned to hear about some of her craziest shoots as well.


    “Always take advice from other photographers.”

    -Maysa Askar

    Timestamps:
    2:40 How Maysa got into photography

    4:52 How Maysa shot Warped Tour

    6:43 How art school helped Maysa with her career

    11:22 Maysa’s advice to aspiring photographers

    15:06 Having your own style as an artist

    17:52 Maysa’s and Celeste’s first shoot

    22:00 Types of shots and clients Maysa shoots

    26:33 Maysa’s craziest shoot stories

    People Mentioned:

    Ohrangutang

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  • This week on the Unglamorous Life, Celeste is joined by one of her employees. Kristina Licari is the young, ambitious office manager at Celestial Bodies. Kristina wears many hats within the company as well as in her personal life. She is a busy 22 year old that has a flourishing career, attends college and competes. Tune in to hear her advice on how to balance the different areas of your life.

    “You know yourself and you know what you are capable of, so don’t try to over do it.”

    - Kristina Licari

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    Key Highlights:

    ⇟ How Kristina started working at Celestial Bodies

    ⇟ How Kristina balances work, school and competing

    ⇟ Celeste’s assistant’s horrendous first day

    Timestamps

    3:36 How Kristina started working at Celestial Bodies

    7:37 Kristina’s school life

    8:50 Kristina and Celeste’s Miami Nationals drinking story

    10:26 Competing, training, and meal prep

    15:56 How Kristina balances her many hats

    21:00 Celeste’s assistant’s horrendous first day

    28:50 Attracting bad energy

    30:26 Advice on how to balance life

    35:46 What Kristina has learned from Celeste

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  • Today’s show is a special bonus episode! We are giving you a sneak peak of our newest podcast “The Dirty Work Podcast” with Celeste and Chris Kingman. Chris and Celeste are scrolling Instagram and answering your questions about entrepreneurship. Plus Celeste and her dog Simon have some exciting news to share!

    “Take in feedback whether it’s good or bad. It’s actually better if it’s bad because it will help you improve your product.”

    - Celeste Bonin

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    Key Highlights:

    ⇟ How to develop a game plan to start your business

    ⇟ Discover the steps you need to take to design a product

    ⇟ Figure out when you need to hire someone and how to know who to hire

    Timestamps

    0:26 Introducing Chris Kingman (The Dirty Work Podcast co-host)

    01:48 Which platform is the best to start marketing your brand?

    07:36 Looking back, Celeste’s advice to herself when first starting Celestial Bodies

    10:18 How to develop a game plan to start your business

    13:20 Advice for transitioning into a different career

    14:39 What is the initial design process for a product?

    23:04 Employees...when and who to hire?

    36:38 How do you get work done and still have fun?

    40:27 How do you get through really shi**y days?

    Resources

    One Person Million Dollar Business By Elaine Pofeldt

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  • Are you constantly evolving? Are you making a conscious effort to better yourself, your business, and your brand? Today on the show Celeste and Laurin go deep on the need for personal evolution to grow and prosper in business. Celeste shares her personal journey and tips to growing as a business owner, what she learned from customer feedback about the image of Celestial Bodiez and much more on the nature of the current fast paced environment business owners face today.

    “You have to evolve or you die”

    - Celeste Bonin

    “Nobody’s holding your hand, especially with self development”

    - Laurin Conlin

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    Key Highlights:

    ⇟ What you CAN’T lose sight of as you grow as an entrepreneur

    ⇟ A new social platform trying to knock off Instagram?

    ⇟ The Black Mirror Netflix Series and why you should watch it.

    Timestamps

    02:10 Why you need to learn, grow and evolve

    05:42 Black Mirror Netflix Series and why you should watch it

    08:20 The evolution of Celestial Bodiez

    10:41 Staying true to your core

    11:56 The origin story behind the #bootyscrunch leggings

    14:32 Inside peak of the new Celestial Bodiez collection

    19:20 The #1 problem with coaching

    22:00 Why you need to evolve faster, and grow quicker than you think

    24:00 The decline of your reach on Instagram and rise of a new potential beast?

    30:00 What's next as Laurin’s business evolves

    33:05 What you CAN’T lose sight of as you grow as an entrepreneur

    Resources

    Black Mirror Netflix Series Vero #Bootscrunch leggings

    People Mentioned

    Jordan Peterson Joe Rogan Ryan Conley

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  • On this episode of the Unglamourous Life, the infamous Ryan joins Laurin and Celeste to talk about the unglamorous side of being a real life hero. If you are a fan of the Unglamourous Life podcast then you have heard Celeste and Laurin make fun of Ryan at some point. He was unofficially on the show a few weeks back when we heard him cooking in the kitchen during the filming of one of our other episodes (nice work Ryan). This week the girls officially invited him on the show to discuss what it's like being a firefighter. Ryan shares some crazy on the job stories as well as some great sleep hacks.

    “To work a high stress job you need to have a life outside of your job.”

    - Ryan Conley

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    Key Highlights:

    ⇟ How to put your own emotional luggage to the side

    ⇟ Why Ryan and Laurin are f**king weird (Ryan’s sleep hacks)

    ⇟ Ryan’s advice to people with heroic, high stress jobs

    Timestamps

    03:30 How to deal with trauma on the job 05:50 Putting your emotional luggage to the side when others need you 07:30 Ryan’s craziest day on the job 21:04 Managing sleep, training and work 25:00 Shift work now considered a carcinogen? 33:23 What upsets Ryan about The 600 lb Life TV Show 37:07 Why Ryan and Laurin are f**king weird (Ryan’s sleep hacks) 53:15 Ryan’s advice to people with heroic, high stress jobs

    Resources

    Blue light glasses The Oxygen Advantage by Patrick McKeown

    People Mentioned

    The Guerrilla Chemist

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  • AJ Mendez Brooks joins Celeste on this exclusive Unglamorous Life episode. The former WWE stars talk about ...well...their "crazy, dirty shit"! AJ shares what it’s like living with bipolar disorder and how she now sees it as her superpower. While Celeste gives us a little insight on her addictive personality. This episode is raw, real, and as always inappropriately funny.

    “At the end of your life would you rather look back and regret the decisions you’ve made or regret the chances you didn’t make?”

    - AJ Mendez

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    Key Highlights:

    ⇟ How to deal with the little voices in your head

    ⇟ Why you should be open about your “dirty shit”

    ⇟ How AJ & Celeste met (Celeste’s WWE audition story)

    Timestamps

    3:06 AJ and Celeste explain their dogs (the old man cursed by a gypsy & the gentlemen/monster)

    25:57 AJ explains what it’s like to be bipolar

    35:40 Dealing with the little voices in your head

    37:37 Being open about your “dirty shit”

    43:12 Why you need someone to hold you accountable

    50:33 Using your talents to overcome dealing with your mental disorder

    55:00 Why you shouldn’t see your mental disorder as bad

    1:12:00 Celeste’s WWE audition story (How AJ and Celeste met)

    1:22:36 AJ’s life advice to all listeners

    Resources

    Crazy is My Superpower by AJ Mendez

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  • Winging it, we have all been there. Something comes up and we're put on the spot with no other choice than to wing it. On this episode of the Unglamourous Life Podcast, Celeste and Laurin share their advice on winging it when it comes to public speaking. They share tips on how to overcome anxiety and how to keep your audience engaged. Plus get details on how Celeste winged her wrestling TV debut.

    “If you’re talking about something you’re passionate about and you start to stray from the stuff you had outlined [go with it] sometimes that’s the best stuff! ”

    - Celeste Bonin

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    Key Highlights:

    ⇟ Have a go-to format for winging it

    ⇟ Knowing your audience is key!

    ⇟ How to engage the audience

    Timestamps

    3:45 Situations will arise when you have to “think on your feet”

    5:49 Practicing public speaking

    8:05 Make sure you know your sh*t

    11:00 The importance of knowing your audience

    12:00 Have a go-to format for winging it

    13:00 Why you need to poll the audience

    14:00 Tips for engaging the audience

    19:25 Celeste’s TV debut (she winged it)

    25:55 “Winging it” lessons Celeste has learned from WWE

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  • Today Celeste and Laurin talk fitness expos. After attending the Arnold Classic, an annual multi-sport expo consisting of professional bodybuilding, strongman, fitness, figure and bikini competitions, Celeste and Laurin decided to give you their insider tips on attending these types of events. The Unglamorous girls go over the do’s and don’ts for exhibitors and attendees alike.

    “If you want someone to remember you, you have to make an impression on them. Find a way to stand out! ”

    - Celeste Bonin

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    Key Highlights:

    ⇟ Making a game plan before you go

    ⇟ Face to face networking advice - How Laurin started working with Mark Bell

    ⇟ How to build your brand without renting a booth

    Timestamps

    08:46 Professionalism tips that will help you further your career in the industry

    12:14 Know your shit! (product knowledge)

    17:25 Pack the essentials!

    23:00 If your attending an expo have a game plan

    24:15 Networking advice - How Laurin started working with Mark Bell

    29:28 Selling yourself- different ways to stand out

    34:10 The do’s and don’ts of training when attending an expo

    38:24 Best way to get the most out of your weekend (seminars and special events)

    39:48 Building a brand? You don’t have to have a booth if you follow these tips

    People Mentioned

    Larissa Rice- Protein House Mark Bell

    Resources

    Six Pack Bag The Arnold Classic

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  • It’s Q and A time with Laurin and Celeste
.wait, I mean just Celeste! That’s right on this episode we get up close and personal with Celeste. She’s going down her post and answering your Instagram questions! Find out what is going on at Celestial Bodies, her advice to business owners, and who she would like to get in the ring with.

    “The biggest key is to accept that when you own your own business and you are your own brand you never really shut off.”

    - Celeste Bonin

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    Key Highlights:

    ⇟ Celeste’s advice for business owners and aspiring entrepreneurs

    ⇟ New designs for Celestial Bodies

    ⇟Getting personal with Celeste: dating, superpowers and her zombie apocalypse squad

    Timestamps

    03:53 Is Celeste going back to WWE & who would she love to wrestle

    05:29 Advice on time budgeting for business owners

    08:02 Celeste’s suggestions for holistic self-care

    15:01 Celeste’s ideal superpowers

    21:10 Any new designs coming soon for Celestial Bodies?

    22:59 Is Celeste on the dating scene?

    30:48 Celeste’s zombie apocalypse squad

    35:27 The ideal podcast collaborations

    41:07 Thoughts on Ronda Rousey coming to the WWE

    People Mentioned

    Sasha Banks

    Becky Lynch

    Sophia Amoruso

    Gary Vaynerchuk

    Ronda Rousey

    Resources

    Celestial Bodies

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  • It’s Q and A time with Laurin and Celeste! Today they address some of their most frequently asked questions from their followers on social media. They cover a wide range of topics from dieting and cardio to business tips. The unglamourous hosts also address things on a more personal level like what are the best bras for implants and how to deal with anxiety. Also, find out if Celeste will be going back to the WWE!

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    “You are going to make mistakes. learn what not to do. That is part of growing.”

    - Celeste Bonin

    Key Highlights:

    ⇟ Tips for starting your online coaching business

    ⇟ Advice for competing: dieting, cardio, caffeine

    ⇟ How to deal with anxiety without prescription drugs

    Timestamps

    06:10 - How to start an online coaching business

    10:40 - Laurin’s key tips for beginning online trainers

    13:13 - How to start an online direct to consumer company (private label)

    18:03 - Branding tips and advice (logos, naming products etc.)

    20:50 - Dieting and cardio questions

    24:03 - Caffeine intake during dieting

    25:23 - First Performer 24 hour comprehensive fat burner system

    27:21 - How long should you diet for?

    30:02 - Tips on how to deal with addiction, anxiety, and panic attacks

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  • How to un-fuck your body!

    Recovery is important for especially for those with more advanced training. Celeste and Lauren discuss different recovery methods from simple Epsom salt baths to neurological resets with RPR. Discover how to correct those improper movement patterns and be in a more relaxed state.

    High performing athletes and those who do recreational training are encouraged to experiment with various recovery techniques to identify useful individualized recovery strategies.

    Learn the different recovery methods to reduce fatigue and enhance performance.

    Quotes:

    “No matter how little time you can dedicate, its better than nothing”

    -Laurin Conlin

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    Key Highlights:

    Different methods for recovery How RPR (reflexive performance reset) works Nutritional advice and good habits for recovery

    Time Stamps

    02:05 -Types of recovery methods

    05:14 -Developing improper movement patterns and compensation patterns

    07:43 -RPR - reflexive performance reset

    10:43 -Laurin’s first experience with RPR

    13:27 -RPR Seminar information

    14:58 -How RPR works

    15:59 -Joel Jamerson’s information

    17:44 -Belly breathing

    18:15 -Meditation

    22:10 -Having the right mindset for recovery methods

    23:10 -Doing quick recovery methods on yourself

    26:30 -Nutritional advice for recovery

    27:40 -The importance of sleep

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    Reflexive Performance Reset (RPR)
    Active Release Therapy

    Graston Technique

    Body tempering

    Epsom salt bath

    Heat shock protein

    Greens Supplements

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  • Travel, whether it be for work or play, always has the potential to ruin your trip.

    Celeste and Laurin are both all too familiar with traveling (and the shitty things that can go along with it.) Luckily, over time, they have become pros at planning. In this episode, they will share some of their travel hacks to keep your next trip on time, on a budget, and on the right track to a worthwhile trip.

    Quotes:

    “There are so many things out of your control that you cannot let it dictate your mentality.”

    -Celeste Bonin

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    Key Highlights:

    Setting up your work schedule for traveling Taking care of things beforehand to keep your travel experiences consistent Remembering the little things while traveling

    Time Stamps

    02:23 - Celeste’s most exhausting trip and what she learned by the end of it

    08:50 - Allowing yourself to let go of the things you can’t control while traveling

    16:15 - Using Airbnb and Uber to save money while traveling

    22:14 - How to travel while being conscious of your diet

    25:00 - The different ways of balancing your work schedule with your travels

    28:40 - Traveling tips for the most efficient travel

    36:20 - Why you should expect the best, but prepare for the worst

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  • We are all passionate about something.

    For Celeste, this has been wrestling. Today, Celeste and Laurin talk about how Celeste found herself back in the ring as an effort to find a different version of herself. After a rough year, Celeste found it was essential for her to start fueling the flame of passion deep inside her. This act of standing up and starting again is just one example of the importance of chasing passion and embracing change, even if it means going back to what you once left.

    “When you find something that you enjoy that is competitive, it makes you better in other areas.”

    -Celeste Bonin

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    Key Highlights:

    How a mentor can help you push yourself further Overcoming the feeling of inadequacy in your field Knowing which opinions to keep and which ones to throw away

    Time Stamps

    01:33 - The life events that pushed Celeste back into wrestling

    05:41 - Why Celeste felt like she constantly had to prove herself while wrestling

    09:03 - The exact day that made Celeste realize she needed to fuel her passion for wrestling again

    12:09 - How channeling your passion and drive allows you to be better in every aspect of your life

    16:30 - How Celeste is getting back into wrestling after hard times and how her new tattoo is an important visual representation of that journey

    22:51 - The possibilities of Celeste’s future after her next match

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  • Have you ever wished you had a magic guide that tells you when you’re moving in the wrong direction?

    Celeste has something similar to that-- a mentor. Celeste talks with Chris, her trusted adviser, about the different ways he helps her move forward. According to Chris, this involves a listening ear and asking the hard questions that make Celeste think past her normal boundaries.

    Quotes:

    “You are your brand. You cannot separate you cannot walk away!"

    -Chris Kingman

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    Key Highlights:

    How a mentor can help you push yourself further Overcoming the feeling of inadequacy in your field Knowing which opinions to keep and which ones to throw away

    Time Stamps

    01:25 -How Chris helped Celeste build her platform, allowing her to reach a number of people

    12:35 - The difference between a mentor and a coach and

    15:18 - Realizing the different ways you can handle yourself in situations such as confrontation

    18:18 - Imposter syndrome and the idea of not belonging where you are

    24:41 - The qualities a good mentor or coach possesses

    30:45 - Knowing what opinions to listen to and utilize

    42:20 - Finding a coach that’s a good fit for you

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  • Can you remember the last time you fucked up?

    Probably. We all make mistakes. In this episode, Celeste and Laurin talk about their “oh-shit” method and how they try to make the best out of every single fuck up. Whether big or small, Celeste and Laurin talk about accepting each fuck up as an opportunity to learn in order to keep our lives moving in a positive direction.

    “Shits just Happens and it Forces You to Step Up!”

    -Celeste Bonin

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    Key Highlights:

    How fuck-ups can help us move forward in life How to embrace the “oh shit” moments Accepting the changes of your environment to stay on top

    Time Stamps

    01:15- The definition of an “oh shit” moment

    06:33- How a fuck up opened up a new door for Celeste in WWE

    09:12- What Celeste learned from her year-long “oh shit” moment

    12:45 -The oh-shit moment Celeste and Laurin faced in making this episode

    20:03- Keeping up with the industry changing around you

    23:03- Finding the middle ground between passion and work ethic

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